Talk:Deep Purple/Archive 2

can someone translate it?

Кировский районный суд Ростова-на-Дону вынес 15 июня 2009 года решение, согласно которому организатор концерта группы «Deep Purple» в этом городе 19 октября 2008 года — ООО «Юг-Арт» использовало пятнадцать произведений Deep Purple без договора с РАО. В резолютивной части решения суд, в частности, указал:

< blockquote > Взыскать с ООО «Юг-Арт» в пользу Общероссийской общественной организации «Российское Авторское Общество» в лице Южного филиала РАО для дальнейшего распределения и выплаты авторам-членам авторско-правовой организации Пи-Эр-Эс (PRS): Яну Гиллану (I.Gillan), Яну Пейсу (I.Paice), Роджеру Гловеру (R.Glover), члену авторско-правового общества «Би-Эм-Ай» (BMI): Стиву Морсу (S.Morse) компенсацию за каждый случай бездоговорного использования произведения в сумме 30 000 рублей, а всего 450 000 рублей. < / blockquote >

13 августа 2009 года в кассационной инстанции Ростовский областной суд отправил дело о концерте рок-группы «Deep Purple» на новое рассмотрение.^[1][2][3] 20 октября 2009 года Кировский районный суд г. Ростова-на-Дону при повторном рассмотрение дела вновь вынес решение о присуждении в пользу РАО 457 500 рублей.^[4]

according russian laws Deep Purple violate copyrights by singing own sings without permission of «Russian Authors' Society» (Idot (talk) 18:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC))

Have you tried Google translate?

The Kirovsky District Court of Rostov-on-Don made June 15, 2009 and the decision according to which the organizer of the Deep Purple concert in this city on October 19, 2008 a - Yug-Art LLC used fifteen works of Deep Purple without an agreement with RW. In the operative part of the decision, the court, in particular, stated:

"To recover from Yug-Art LLC in favor of the All-Russian public organization 'Russian Authors' Society' represented by the Southern branch of the RAO for further distribution and payment to Pi-Er-Es (PRS) copyright organization (PRS): I.Gillan), Ian Pace (I.Paice), Roger Glover (R.Glover), a member of the copyright society "BIM-I" (BMI): Steve Morse (S.Morse) compensation for each case of non-contractual use works in the amount of 30,000 rubles, and only 450,000 rubles."

On August 13, 2009 at the cassation instance, the Rostov Regional Court sent the case of the Deep Purple rock band's concert for a new consideration. [1] [2] [3] On October 20, 2009, the Kirovskiy District Court of Rostov-on-Don, at its repeated consideration of the case, again made a decision on awarding 457,500 rubles to RAO.

--DrBurningBunny (talk) 17:48, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

The article states that Deep Purple was formed in Hertford and cites the sleeve notes pp4-5 of the album Shades Of Deep Purple. The sleeve of Shades Of Deep Purple is a simple two sided album cover, so has no pp4-5. The notes make no mention of Hertford. Furthermore, Nick Simper's own biography of the band has them coming together at Deeves Hall, Potters Bar - some 10 miles to the south west of Hertford. Nick Simper makes no mention of Hertford at all.

http://www.nicksimper.net/nicks-story/chapters-18-20/chapter-19-rod-ian-join-roundabout/

I have tried editing the article to correct the inaccuracy but someone keeps changing it back.

There are many different issues of Shades... so I suspect the issue in question is a reissue CD with a fat booklet. Both these look like reliable sources so there should probably both be covered in the text. Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:44, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

I strongly believe that heavy metal should be removed from the infobox. It should just say hard rock and progressive rock. Led Zeppelin should receive the same treatment as well, where it should just say hard rock, blues rock and folk rock. It was really Black Sabbath that was the one that forged the heavy metal genre, not Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin. These two bands aren't heavy enough to qualify for heavy metal status. Music2247 (talk) 15:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@Music2247: What reliable sources do you have ? We do not take personal opinions. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:29, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

https://ourpastimes.com/hard-rock-vs-heavy-metal-12325057.html

Does this help? Music2247 (talk) 18:04, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@Music2247: that source says Deep Purple (and the other you mention) are hard rock, so NO it doesn't help your case. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:11, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

But that's what I mean. Remove heavy metal, but keep hard rock. That's what that source is supposed to mean. Music2247 (talk) 18:14, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

You'd have a hard time convinving anyone that ourpastimes.com would pass WP:RS. Looks like probably some user generated content combined with little editorial oversight and no reputation for fact checking. And I disagree that heavy metal should be removed from the infobox. Unless OP can convince me otherwise. SolarFlash (talk) 19:56, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

https://ironskullet.com/2017/10/30/the-history-of-heavy-metal-part-i-the-difference-between-metal-and-heavy-metal/

Does this help even better? Music2247 (talk) 04:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

No. Blog posts are not reliable sources. Assuming you can find a reliable source that definitively states that Deep Purple are not heavy metal, I bet I can find six that definitively state that they are. Choose your battles. SolarFlash (talk) 13:22, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

The trouble is that you can always find sources to say that a band is a particular genre, but there are never sources out there to say that a band is not a particular genre. There are always enough random sources out there to satisfy Wikipedia's criteria, and that's "good enough". That's why genres shouldn't be a part of the project. Deep Purple are not, and never were, a heavy metal band, but it's pointless having this conversation, because genre inclusion is based on nothing but opinions. The glaring issue is that the OP's opinion is irrelevant, but if he wrote for Allmusic, suddenly his opinion would count. He wouldn't be any more qualified, or knowledgeable, or correct, but suddenly his opinion would be valid and taken as "fact". Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:07, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Here for example, at Never Say Die!, we have categorical proof that Black Sabbath are, or were in 1978, a pop rock band. It's right there, proven beyond all doubt and presented as fact, because some gormless idiot managed to get that opinion published. It's still garbage: I know it, you know it, but there it is. Fact. But you can't counter it because, unsurprisingly, no reliable source ever felt the need to say that Sabbath isn't pop rock, so it stands. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

IMO this picture should be in the box at the top of the page, rather than the 2004 one.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:7B08:6A00:A818:9355:6684:8DAE (talk) 22:01, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Is there a source for Simon McBride being an official member? Psywave (talk) 19:20, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Deep Purple's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "nme":

• From Black Sabbath: Trendell, Andrew (8 March 2017). "Black Sabbath confirm their split after nearly 50 years". NME. Retrieved 8 March 2017.
• From Glenn Hughes (musician): Bychawski, Adam (6 May 2011). "Deep Purple's Glenn Hughes: 'I spent a million dollars on cocaine'". NME. Retrieved 31 May 2016.
• From UK Singles Chart: "Rage Against The Machine to take on 'The X Factor' for Christmas Number One". New Musical Express. 2009-12-04. Retrieved 2009-12-17.
• From Whoosh!: Leonie Cooper. "Deep Purple – 'Whoosh!' review: rockers' 21st record is stupidly fun and outrageously silly". NME. Retrieved August 8, 2020.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:56, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

London or Hertford? Zapho653 (talk) 17:37, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

The genesis of Deep Purple started as Roundabout in John Lord's flat in Kensington. The band were very much based in the London music scene. They did rehearse in Deeves Hall, Hertfordshire but that's as far as it goes. They were not formed or based in Hertford. There are plenty of sources to support this. I've also contacted author Jerry Bloom who has written many of the band's books and he's in agreement that the band forming in Hertford is an internet myth. The MK2 DP is almost certainly an all London formed and based band having come together as Hanwell Community Centre. Goom80 (talk) 19:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

It should be pointed out that the genesis of Deep Purple started as Roundabout in 1967 in Kensington by Chris Curtis and John Lord. The band that became Deep Purple were London based, as were most bands. Its like saying that Led Zeppelin are a Birmingham band because two members were from that area, but the band were London formed and based. Deep Purple rehearsed in Deeves Hall, but that is not where they originated. The MK2 version is 100% a London formed band, came together at Hanwell Community centre. Goom80 (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

There is an urban myth floating around the internet that the band Deep Purple was formed in Hertford. The genesis of what became Deep Purple starts with Chris Curtis and two London businessmen in 1967, and the first line-up includes Blackmore in Jon Lord's flat in Kensington, London. In April 1968, the new line-up referred to as MK1 came together at Deeves Hall in South Mimms, Hertfordshire - which is 15 miles away from Hertford - the county town. They were based here for a short period and relocated back to London in 1968 to record Shades of Deep Purple. The MK2 classic-line that many consider the real Deep Purple formed in Hanwell Community Centre in 1969. In conclusion, the origin of Deep Purple starts in Kensington in 1967, and then South Mimms (which is not Hertford, although it is in Hertfordshire). For all intents and purposes they're a London band, like many iconic bands of that era they were based in London; recorded in London etc. Ealing has an even earlier connection to Deep Purple origins. The reliable source being used to support the band being formed in Hertford is just the Hertfordshire Mercury copying Wikipedia information and pasting it in their article. Sources that stated South Mimms, which play play a part of the origin story have been removed to keep putting Hertford as the location of origin. Hertford is a town in Hertfordshire, so the correct term is Hertfordshire, and South Mimms - a completely different place. As an unregistered person keeps changing it back to Hertford, as a Wiki account member, I will keep reverting the edits back. The person changing it will not even take part in discussion to resolve or put their reasoning across. Goom80 (talk) 22:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I should add that Deep Purple author, Jerry Bloom, who has written many of the band's books confirms in his book Deep Purple: A Matter of Fact, that the band forming in Hertford is an urban myth, and there is no truth in it. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Deep-Purple-Matter-Jerry-Bloom/dp/1908724064

I have emailed Mr Bloom who agrees in principle that the origin of the band starts in Jon Lord's flat with Chris Curtis in 1967, its well documented. Goom80 (talk) 22:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Our Brazilian friend (who has edited from the ranges Special:Contributions/189.94.96.0/19 and Special:Contributions/2804:388:5040:0:0:0:0:0/42) believes that the AllMusic website is authoritative. Generally they are, but not always. I think there is always a chance that AllMusic has accidentally picked up on some falsehood. When faced with a thorny question about 1960s/1970s rockers, I like to restrict the sources to ones published before Wikipedia, to avoid circular referencing or the Woozle effect. In this case, the books written about Deep Purple are in agreement that the group was founded in the London flat of Curtis and Lord. Binksternet (talk) 22:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so very much! I am glad that someone agrees and to stop this nonsense. Jerry Bloom's book, Deep Purple - A Matter of Fact points out that the band forming in Hertford is an internet myth. The other sites stating Hertford simply copied info from Wiki, so are not true reliable sources. Yes, I agreed that DP MK1 came together in Hertfordshire, but that was at Deeves Hall in South Mimms - at least 15 miles from Hertford.

In my mind, the origin starts with the first incarnation, which was Tony Edwards and Chris Curtis asking Jon Lord to start a band, which later Blackmore came to before they were DP MK1. I'm really tired of editing the page, but the IP address changing back to Hertford does not contribute anything to the discussion. Deep Purple Fan (talk) 23:50, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@Goom80 Seethe 92.14.9.24 (talk) 00:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Goom80 Please disregard my last comment, apologies. 92.14.9.24 (talk) 01:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

The Concerto for Group and Orchestra is mentioned in the article, but not the discography. Is there a sound reason for this omission?

I have found what I would consider to be a reliable source with regards to the place of origin of the band we know as Deep Purple. This outdates the Hertford sources, and is also published in books: https://www.classicrockforever.com/story-ritchieblackmoremeetsjonlord.html The origin of Deep Purple started in Chris Curtis's flat (also shared by Jon Lord) in 1967 when Roundabout was conceived. Later, Blackmore arrived at the flat after a request by Curtis to join his new venture. The name Deep Purple was actually adopted in Denmark, after several other name ideas were rejected. Please have a read of the linked article for clarification. An IP non-registered user keeps changing the edited origin with citation to suggest they came from Hertford, whilst using a source from the Hertfordshire Mercury paper that has quite obviously taken information direct from the Wikipedia article. So again, if the IP user wishes to prove the band started in Hertford, please join this discussion and state your case that suggests otherwise. All book sources confirm what i have linked and added to cite the origin. I will again further point out that Hertford (county town of Hertfordshire) is not the location of Deeves Hall where MK1 line-up came together to rehearse. The location of Deeves Hall is in South Mimms - 15 miles from Hertford. Finally, I'd point out that In Jerry Bloom's book: Deep Purple - A Matter of Fact, points out the band forming in Hertford is an urban myth started on the internet, and there is not truth in this. The location of London as place of origin is apt as the genesis of Purple started in Kensington & Chelsea in 1967. Please can the IP address editor red this information, reference other books etc instead of continuing to edit the origin as Hertford with a bogus 'woozle effect' source. Deep Purple Fan (talk) 03:50, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Goom80 I suggest you get a life 92.14.9.24 (talk) 00:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Goom80 I apologise for that last comment, I don't know why I said that. I think I've gotten mixed up with the South Mimms thing, which is indeed in Hertfordshire, from what I've read elsewhere they rehearsed there? Which is maybe worth a mention? 92.14.9.24 (talk) 01:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the first comment, although i accept your apology. This is not about proving you wrong, but as the source suggests, see link, the genesis starts in 1967 in Lord's flat in Kensington. There are plenty of other references from the books. Deep Purple Fan (talk) 01:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

The band rehersing in South Mimms in mentioned in the 1968 MK1 section of the Wikipedia page. Deep Purple Fan (talk) 01:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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