Talk:Emma Corrin/Archive 1

As Corrin has not expressed a preference for gender neutral pronouns over female pronouns, the article should remain as it is with she/her. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand that. Emma has said they are non-binary. Which is traditionally associated with they/them pronouns. It feels like just wanting to change the article, or for other reasons. Their pronouns should be respected, especially as someone who also binds their breasts. Another traditional element of being non-binary. I request the article be changed to they/them pronouns for these reasons. Also, listing Emma an an actress is technically is incorrect as they do not identify as female. They identify as non-binary. At the very least,mi request that be changed to "actor", which is the genderless default. Kudaark (talk) 20:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

She is biologically female. And the way the pronouns are listed on the article makes no sense whatsoever, since it states "she/they". That's the same pronoun. One is singular, the other plural. It lacks the possessive pronoun. Someone's pronouns should be respected? Why? People don't talk to each other in third person. "Identity" is no argument, it's an unproven claim by someone. Since she is an actress such a claim is likely only there to get attention. Actors are, after all, extremely egocentric and insecure (and also dumb as dirt.)

Btw, her name is also female. "Emma" is a female name. 2A02:8388:284A:8880:7501:7A30:22CE:4B5B (talk) 07:46, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

You are using the wrong pronoun. For the subjective case, she states that the word "she" is to be used. 92.40.216.85 (talk) 16:41, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Are we to take notice of the thousands of possibilities for pronouns? If so these articles will be even more incomprehensible than this one. Rustygecko (talk) 23:23, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rustygecko: "Thousands of possibilities for pronouns"? I would assume not, given this is the English Wikipedia and there are only a few pronouns in common use, even if you include Spivak pronouns and other neopronouns — which Wikipedia does not.

As the Manual of Style says pretty clearly in MOS:GENDERID and MOS:NEOPRONOUN, we address biographical subjects with he, she or they. As it says clearly in MOS:GENDERID:

Refer to any person whose gender might be questioned with the name and gendered words (e.g. pronouns, man/woman/person, waiter/waitress/server) that reflect the person's most recent expressed self-identification as reported in the most recent reliable sources, even if it does not match what is most common in sources. This holds for any phase of the person's life, unless they have indicated a preference otherwise.

Also, as MOS:NEOPRONOUN states:

Singular they pronouns are appropriate to use in reference to a person who goes by them.

— OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 16:58, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

This discussion is incredibly confusing and little of what is being said here makes any sense to me (as someone who isn't a grammar expert). All that matters is there is clearly a huge problem with the article whereby an individual has somehow ended up being referred to with plural language. That OBVIOUSLY needs to change immediately because it's incredibly jarring and confusing. I've been on this planet nearly 50 years and NEVER read any material where a known, named individual with a known sex was referred to using "they". The article is currently nonsense. It seems as though this girl's sibling(s) have been removed from the article but the plural pronouns remained untouched. I feel terribly sorry for this poor girl having such a nonsensical Wikipedia entry. Suggest the grammar is corrected first, then any philosophical discussion about grammar can be carried out afterwards, because right now this looks like vandalism. Grand Dizzy (talk) 12:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

It is not incorrect grammar to use singular they; this is not a plural. I'm sorry that you find this confusing, but it is standard practice and complies with the Manual of Style, as you can see from the links I provided above.

This is not a forum to discuss whether or not you find singular they to be "nonsense" or "clearly a huge problem". The Wikipedia community has decided a manual of style and disagrees with you here. I can only suggest that you do more reading on the subject; the article Singular they would be a good place to start.

I will remind you that you have already had the policy WP:NOTAFORUM pointed out to you, in the process of chastising you for your misogynist comments in the topic “Your comments on Ideological bias on Wikipedia” on your Talk page. Your post here is problematic in the same way. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 15:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)