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Notable residents

Over the next couple of weeks I'm going to try to rationalise the lists of notable residents of Bexley towns. Each one currently has a long and unsourced lists of people who might have gone to school there, may anecdotally have been seen in the area, may be from a neighbouring town etc. (see Sidcup for example). Also, many people were born in, say, Bexleyheath but grew up in, say, Welling. Meanwhile the article List of people from Bexley is woefully underpopulated. So I'm going to try to migrate most of the lists to there as a central list (with fully explanation of their local connection and history etc), add them to the articles about their secondary schools if the sources back that up, and only leave people on the list in articles about the specific towns if the source clearly states that they lived in that place. (see current list at Bexleyheath for an example). This should make the info more reliable, easier to check, and easier to understand. Any comments, objections, suggestions? Jdcooper (talk) 13:21, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

How do you define Towns? Why exclude Villages and Hamlets? — Preceding unsigned
I don't exclude them. If the village or hamlet (or more accurately in the case of this area, neighbourhood) has a wikipedia article and there is a source pinning a famous resident to that place, then it's all good. Jdcooper (talk) 19:56, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Domesday contradiction

This article claimed that, "Erith passed into the possession of Bishop Odo and is mentioned in the Domesday Survey", but provided no evidence.

The contradiction is Local Government asserting that: the most populated area was by the river at Lessness. This area probably included Erith which is not mentioned in Domesday.

Source: http://www.bexley.gov.uk/article/10263/The-Bexley-Area-in-the-Domesday-Book

I have modified the sentences to remove the contradiction. More generally, the article does not identify the earliest mention of Erith.

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Lead

Historically part of Kent, it was absorbed into Greater London in 1965 and today forms part of the London Borough of Bexley. It seems to be a location specific standard sentence being used across Greater London articles and is not someone's personal creation, but rather than bring this up at that project talk page, I'll mention it here. My views are that the sentence is not ideal, is confusing, misleading, and factually incorrect. Historically part of Kent implies it is no longer part of Kent, which is wrong. It's a rather clumsy way of trying to say that Erith is in the historic county of Kent, as lead guidelines advise. it was absorbed into Greater London in 1965 is misleading because GL of the 1965 act did not exist to do any absorbing, and all GL did take over was local government responsibility. This sort of wording is hardly encyclopedic. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 22:50, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Within the boundaries of the historic county of Kent, it has formed part of the London Borough of Bexley since 1965 is far better. It does not imply that Erith is no longer a part of any form of Kent, and no mention is made of Greater London at all, or of absorbing. Roger 7 Roger (talk) 11:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment on my deletion a few days ago that has been reverted and then re-reverted I judged the comments by an IP with only one previous edit (bot reverted as vandalism) to be a personal attack on me rather than an opposing opinion written in an aggressive style. For that reason I deleted it, which is allowed under talk page guidelines. I seem to be honoured with occasional but ongoing attention on these SE London wiki pages, amounting IMO to a campaign, that began a few years back. This includes a series of socks that have tried to pretend they are me, using similar user names, that have been removed after first causing some confusion and disruption. This IP edit that I removed seems to be part of that ongoing campaign. I hope it goes without saying that I never remove opinions I do not like. In fact, I welcome constructive opinion on this historic county topic especially because there seems to be very little of it beyond "Yes it is: no it isn't" This deleted comment was, IMO, a personal attack, not an opinion. Whatever, all very amusing, until it enters the realm of blatant pointless insults. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that, Roger. I agree, and that's why I reverted myself. I suppose Wikipedia draws a lot of people to curiously edit their hometowns' pages, and if you are the one reverting inappropriate edits you will bring yourself to their attention. Jdcooper (talk) 20:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Update I have just realised that the edits in question were not actually by me, but were in fact by two socks doing exactly what I said above - trying to confuse by pretending they were me. Well, if they fooled me and caused confusion and time wasting all round then the socks certainly seem to have achieved their aim! FTAOD, I am Roger 8, not Roger 9 or Roger 7!

Erith explosion

Hi User:Ttocserp, can you explain what your issue is with my edits?

You wrote:

  • On 1 October 1864 a 461⁄2 ton gunpowder explosion blew out the river wall, exposing large areas of South London to flooding at high tide. A crowd of navvies and soldiers directed by a local engineer barely managed to plug the gap before high water, avoiding a calamity.

I simply incorporated this link: Embanking of the tidal Thames#The Erith explosion into the body of the paragraph, changed "barely managed" to "were able to" and "avoiding a calamity" to "preventing far more serious consequences", which is more encyclopaedic than journalistic language. I have no idea what you are talking about re: sourced/unsourced content, because I didn't change any content and you didn't provide a source for your paragraph in the first place. Jdcooper (talk) 16:26, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

It's ok, I see what you're doing. Revert if you like.Ttocserp 16:44, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

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