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Criticism exists78Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Criticism exists
Over-reliance on Grant Palmer?12Talk:First Vision/Archive 1#Over-reliance on Grant Palmer?
Paul on the road to Damascus3Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Paul on the road to Damascus
Smith's age in 18233Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Smith's age in 1823
How can this possibly be called NPOV8Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#How can this possibly be called NPOV
POV tag6Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#POV tag
Reasons for Reversion10Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Reasons for Reversion
Reverts after good faith edits78Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Reverts after good faith edits
New Version5Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#New Version
New Discussion12Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#New Discussion
Current outline and proposed outline13Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Current outline and proposed outline
Forking for editorial purposes3Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Forking for editorial purposes
Towards consensus1Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Towards consensus
Sorry if I messed up the discussion...4Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Sorry if I messed up the discussion...
Lane, beer and cakes8Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Lane, beer and cakes
"Critic" and "critical"4Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#"Critic" and "critical"
Differences in details5Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Differences in details
First Visitation?4Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#First Visitation?
Unexplained deletions2Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Unexplained deletions
Accounts of the First Vision: Joseph Smith was Lying?10Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Accounts of the First Vision: Joseph Smith was Lying?
First paragraph example of problems of whole article2Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#First paragraph example of problems of whole article
Dates Mixed Up With Religious Revival?2Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Dates Mixed Up With Religious Revival?
The Churchillian Defense16Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#The Churchillian Defense
Where's the beef?3Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Where's the beef?
NPOV overhaul38Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#NPOV overhaul
New lead17Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#New lead
Statement after quote disagrees with statement in quote.6Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Statement after quote disagrees with statement in quote.
Critics and Apologists27Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Critics and Apologists
Let's try again24Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Let's try again
Brigham Young's comments7Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Brigham Young's comments
Proposed outline for NPOV overhaul2Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Proposed outline for NPOV overhaul
POV-check tag3Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#POV-check tag
wording change6Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#wording change
Accounts of the First Vision3Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Accounts of the First Vision
What's good for the goose...17Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#What's good for the goose...
No facts were harmed in the restructuring of this article.2Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#No facts were harmed in the restructuring of this article.
Breaking the collaborative truce45Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Breaking the collaborative truce
Reversion23Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Reversion
Story of the First Vision1Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Story of the First Vision
Reversion212Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Reversion2
Facts and interpretations14Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Facts and interpretations
We've got trouble!5Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#We've got trouble!
Truth is worth fighting for3Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Truth is worth fighting for
Let's try again.43Talk:First Vision/Archive 2#Let's try again.
"Grove experience"3Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#"Grove experience"
Contemporary Beliefs11Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Contemporary Beliefs
Inappropriate use of revert.14Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Inappropriate use of revert.
Proposed changes39Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Proposed changes
Just the facts? Ok, if you insist.8Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Just the facts? Ok, if you insist.
"Growth in theological importance of the First Vision" = criticism29Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#"Growth in theological importance of the First Vision" = criticism
There are two main points of view, agree or disagree?54Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#There are two main points of view, agree or disagree?
Condensation1Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Condensation
Is this or is this not a violation of WP:NPOV?11Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Is this or is this not a violation of WP:NPOV?
Tag, you're it!8Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Tag, you're it!
Proposed deletion38Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Proposed deletion
Mouw quotation25Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Mouw quotation
Mouw / Jensen quotes deleted from the lead?13Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Mouw / Jensen quotes deleted from the lead?
Jensen6Talk:First Vision/Archive 3#Jensen
John Foxe reverts again...14Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#John Foxe reverts again...
Out of context25Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Out of context
Edit warring over paragraph under "Date of…"16Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Edit warring over paragraph under "Date of…"
Cabin date4Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Cabin date
OED9Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#OED
Removed Material1Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Removed Material
Persecution17Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Persecution
Exhorter18Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Exhorter
The "exhorter" passage1Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#The "exhorter" passage
Requested source contexts38Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Requested source contexts
FAIRLDS is OR18Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#FAIRLDS is OR
News flash: John Foxe uses the 'apologist' label in the article11Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#News flash: John Foxe uses the 'apologist' label in the article
Joseph Smith is the 'who' of the First Vision but is well covered elsewhere17Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Joseph Smith is the 'who' of the First Vision but is well covered elsewhere
Change in perspective9Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Change in perspective
Nevertheless6Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Nevertheless
Smith's religious confusion29Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Smith's religious confusion
Faculty of Abrac36Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Faculty of Abrac
John Foxe reverts again12Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#John Foxe reverts again
John Foxe reverts again, and again...18Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#John Foxe reverts again, and again...
it had never entered into my heart...6Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#it had never entered into my heart...
Is FAIRLDS.org a 'reliable' source per WP:RS?13Talk:First Vision/Archive 4#Is FAIRLDS.org a 'reliable' source per WP:RS?
Changes proposed 7/13/07 by John Foxe37Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Changes proposed 7/13/07 by John Foxe
"Possible anachronisms in" = "Criticism of"4Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#"Possible anachronisms in" = "Criticism of"
Compromise proposal #120Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Compromise proposal #1
Current Version8Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Current Version
Protected?7Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Protected?
Discussions6Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Discussions
Spiritual tradition of the Smith family16Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Spiritual tradition of the Smith family
What happened to discuss first, then edit?16Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#What happened to discuss first, then edit?
Proposed Changes3Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Proposed Changes
Proposed change to Intro section21Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Proposed change to Intro section
Global change - 'version' --> 'account'6Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Global change - 'version' --> 'account'
Another uncited claim6Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Another uncited claim
Differences in "no true church" memories6Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Differences in "no true church" memories
Exhorter paragraph6Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Exhorter paragraph
Critics and apologists10Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Critics and apologists
Time for action68Talk:First Vision/Archive 5#Time for action
Introduction12Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Introduction
A "critic" debate21Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#A "critic" debate
Request for mediation7Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Request for mediation
How to arrange and where to put the LMS non-mention fact?22Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#How to arrange and where to put the LMS non-mention fact?
Exercises in neutrality and collaboration9Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Exercises in neutrality and collaboration
Request for Arbitration9Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Request for Arbitration
Changes proposed 7/28/0714Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Changes proposed 7/28/07
Reversing the sequence of two subsections?5Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Reversing the sequence of two subsections?
Context warning7Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Context warning
Changes proposed 7/306Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Changes proposed 7/30
A separate section?32Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#A separate section?
Outline for "section formerly known as criticism" section30Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Outline for "section formerly known as criticism" section
Proposals for new 'reception' section72Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Proposals for new 'reception' section
This article reads terribly.. needs major rework18Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#This article reads terribly.. needs major rework
Abrac14Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Abrac
"reworking, condensing, and pushing controversial matters into footnotes"2Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#"reworking, condensing, and pushing controversial matters into footnotes"
Religious melee ????3Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Religious melee ????
WP:UNDUE, WP:OWN, majority, and WP:NPOV18Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#WP:UNDUE, WP:OWN, majority, and WP:NPOV
NPOV Intro39Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#NPOV Intro
Move of third lead paragraph12Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#Move of third lead paragraph
John Foxe Reverts Again...9Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#John Foxe Reverts Again...
LDS movement vs. LDS Church5Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#LDS movement vs. LDS Church
"How people have responded to the First Vision" section16Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#"How people have responded to the First Vision" section
What is the point?5Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#What is the point?
More factual accuracy questioning25Talk:First Vision/Archive 6#More factual accuracy questioning
Scope change from LDS church to LDS movement churches9Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Scope change from LDS church to LDS movement churches
We're making progress31Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#We're making progress
Facts needed9Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Facts needed
The question is, what is a fact, not what is "Truth"11Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#The question is, what is a fact, not what is "Truth"
Similar 'Good Article' example7Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Similar 'Good Article' example
Looks good27Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Looks good
The Bottom Line7Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#The Bottom Line
Attribution, or, IOW, "high-ranking-super-duper-mormon-history-expert-who-doesn't-believe-in-the-First-Vision John Doe wrote..."8Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Attribution, or, IOW, "high-ranking-super-duper-mormon-history-expert-who-doesn't-believe-in-the-First-Vision John Doe wrote..."
Anachronisms section contains no anachronisms6Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Anachronisms section contains no anachronisms
Third paragraph of lede29Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Third paragraph of lede
Class B2Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Class B
Beliefs and Questions29Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Beliefs and Questions
Preparation for WP:RfC filing9Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Preparation for WP:RfC filing
Historical facts versus Mormon apologetics5Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Historical facts versus Mormon apologetics
Was the First Vision a divisive doctrine from the beginning?37Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Was the First Vision a divisive doctrine from the beginning?
Wasting time3Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Wasting time
Original Research / NPOV dispute - entire article6Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Original Research / NPOV dispute - entire article
OR tag on "Questions" section3Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#OR tag on "Questions" section
1830 allusion3Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#1830 allusion
Oliver Cowdery account14Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Oliver Cowdery account
Fundamentalist affirmation10Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Fundamentalist affirmation
Maybe we are making progress after all?2Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Maybe we are making progress after all?
Date of the First Vision44Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Date of the First Vision
A thought34Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#A thought
John Foxe "removed the Methodist minister story as unattested Mormon POV"44Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#John Foxe "removed the Methodist minister story as unattested Mormon POV"
Submitted Request for Comments on John Foxe2Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Submitted Request for Comments on John Foxe
Lane, etc.50Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Lane, etc.
John Foxe reverts the lead29Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#John Foxe reverts the lead
Problem with impugns35Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Problem with impugns
The Church of Jesus Christ4Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#The Church of Jesus Christ
Not emphasized?38Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Not emphasized?
Not emphasized part III, Evolving importance part II29Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Not emphasized part III, Evolving importance part II
The Cabin42Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#The Cabin
Jensen - Mouw quotes4Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Jensen - Mouw quotes
Reminants?20Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Reminants?
"Critics"9Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#"Critics"
Titles for section formerly known as criticism20Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Titles for section formerly known as criticism
Sub page with a harmony?6Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Sub page with a harmony?
AEB 137Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#AEB 1
Article restructuring3Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Article restructuring
"flaming spiritual advance"12Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#"flaming spiritual advance"
Time for arbitration?7Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Time for arbitration?
Problem with the Joseph Smith Jr. personality profile6Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Problem with the Joseph Smith Jr. personality profile
Thrashing2Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Thrashing
Not emphasized, part II19Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Not emphasized, part II
Bloated lead4Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Bloated lead
Please clarify James B. Allen reference in the lead7Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Please clarify James B. Allen reference in the lead
Fairness of tone in the lead6Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Fairness of tone in the lead
Cruft34Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Cruft
Folk Magic2Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Folk Magic
Review by Community of Christ adherent Blair Bryant2Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Review by Community of Christ adherent Blair Bryant
Evolving importance34Talk:First Vision/Archive 7#Evolving importance
Section Switching12Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Section Switching
Objective definition of 'fairness of tone'42Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Objective definition of 'fairness of tone'
Arbitration?3Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Arbitration?
Bloated introduction39Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Bloated introduction
Little evidence7Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Little evidence
Intro (again)36Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Intro (again)
History section7Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#History section
Arbitration1Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Arbitration
Mediation36Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Mediation
A new approach12Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#A new approach
"Drivel"10Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#"Drivel"
Treasure hunting and other "magical world view" issues45Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Treasure hunting and other "magical world view" issues
John Foxe's changes to the intro11Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#John Foxe's changes to the intro
Bot archival of this talk page10Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Bot archival of this talk page
Fabricated / Devil POV summary deleted from the lead.22Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Fabricated / Devil POV summary deleted from the lead.
Less active.1Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Less active.
Tags13Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Tags
Joseph Smith's magic world view5Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Joseph Smith's magic world view
Removed W. Walters stuff24Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Removed W. Walters stuff
Areas of concern12Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Areas of concern
Appropriate attribution14Talk:First Vision/Archive 8#Appropriate attribution
Revivals irrelevant33Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Revivals irrelevant
Presbyterian connection22Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Presbyterian connection
Mormonism Research Ministry9Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Mormonism Research Ministry
No Vision?3Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#No Vision?
Marquardt / Walters vs Backman on dating "unusual excitement on the subject of religion"5Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Marquardt / Walters vs Backman on dating "unusual excitement on the subject of religion"
Treasure Hunting by Joseph Smith - NPOV8Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Treasure Hunting by Joseph Smith - NPOV
The definition of insanity...1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#The definition of insanity...
Dating "Unusual excitement on the subject of religion"35Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Dating "Unusual excitement on the subject of religion"
Too long headings!1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Too long headings!
propose to re-write "Contradictions" subsection11Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#propose to re-write "Contradictions" subsection
Moved "possible 1830 allusion" section downward in article3Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Moved "possible 1830 allusion" section downward in article
Issues raised by Lanthum5Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Issues raised by Lanthum
Taylor and the First Vision10Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Taylor and the First Vision
C.C.A. Christensen's painting of the First Vision1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#C.C.A. Christensen's painting of the First Vision
"To some academic students of mormonism....."2Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#"To some academic students of mormonism....."
Second opinion request considered7Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Second opinion request considered
Polygamy as defining element in Mormon Theology2Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Polygamy as defining element in Mormon Theology
Possible editional text1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Possible editional text
Problems with FV article2Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Problems with FV article
Joseph Smith did not state there was a revival4Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Joseph Smith did not state there was a revival
Why is Backman's book not used as a source2Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Why is Backman's book not used as a source
Teaching on the First Vision1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Teaching on the First Vision
Skeptical criticism vs. apologetic response6Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Skeptical criticism vs. apologetic response
Is the latest "citation needed" tag really needed?5Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Is the latest "citation needed" tag really needed?
Connecting two separate ideas.3Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Connecting two separate ideas.
External links modified1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#External links modified
There is no direct, uninterrupted, quote of the First Vision in the Canonized version.1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#There is no direct, uninterrupted, quote of the First Vision in the Canonized version.
External links modified1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#External links modified 2
External links modified1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#External links modified 3
External links modified1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#External links modified 4
Broken citations1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Broken citations
External links modified1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#External links modified 5
External links modified1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#External links modified 6
New side-by-side comparison section8Talk:First Vision#New side-by-side comparison section
Removal and movement of the section on Magic in the context section5Talk:First Vision#Removal and movement of the section on Magic in the context section
Conversion of Lucy Mack Smith to Presbyterianism and dating of the First Vision1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Conversion of Lucy Mack Smith to Presbyterianism and dating of the First Vision
Relevance of official proclamation4Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Relevance of official proclamation
Deletion of "Methodist revivals within twenty road miles of Palmyra" phrase1Talk:First Vision/Archive 9#Deletion of "Methodist revivals within twenty road miles of Palmyra" phrase
Undue weight of recent edits7Talk:First Vision#Undue weight of recent edits
Attempt of FyzixFighter to remove all reference to Lucy Smith’s original account of the First Vision5Talk:First Vision#Attempt of FyzixFighter to remove all reference to Lucy Smith’s original account of the First Vision
Need for a section of the vision’s effect on J. Smith’s character6Talk:First Vision#Need for a section of the vision’s effect on J. Smith’s character
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