Talk:German Brazilians

In preparation for the next section, dumping any footnote:

Not to sound racist, but overall, I disagree with the notion of people of Northern European descent coming down to an exotic and not-particularly democratic country like Brazil, especially Germans (having said that, of course, I have no admiration or respect for the Nazis whatsoever and condemn everything they stood for, so I am not coming from that place). So even though people like Gisele Bündchen are actually from Brazil, I like to think of her as a full-fledged German national. Australia and New Zealand (even Argentina to some extent) make sense as places that would attract Germans, but in all honesty, Brazil is somewhat puzzling. Maybe some (or even a sizable percentage of) German-Brazilians should go back to Angela Merkel's super-successful, democratic Germany, and get away from the violence and corruption that plagues Brazil today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiscipidier (talk • contribs) 02:32, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

This article is composed mostly by opinions. The word “myth” is used a lot of times, even in the phrase “The myth of the Brazilian nation (Historically) composed by Portuguese, Africans and Ameríndians”. Yeah, I’m sure it’s a “myth”. This is at most a generalization, but generally that was exactly the case in the first 350 years of the country. The other minorities were too small. So if you say that Athens was composed by Greeks you would be telling a myth just because some Persian dissidents lived there too? This article affirms too much disputed opinions.

It’s not such an absurd calling the racial composition of Brazil “Amerindian, Portuguese and African”. Or telling that France was composed by the French.

Hi, thanks for your comments. Hunsrik is considered as a separate language by Ethnologue, Glottolog and also by the local governments. Some sources:

Ethnologue (ISO):

• https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/hrx

Language Standardization:

• https://pure.mpg.de/pubman/faces/ViewItemOverviewPage.jsp?itemId=item_407538
• https://lume.ufrgs.br/handle/10183/194384

Official Recognition:

• http://www.al.rs.gov.br/legis/M010/M0100099.ASP?Hid_Tipo=TEXTO&Hid_TodasNormas=58094&hTexto=&Hid_IDNorma=58094
• https://leismunicipais.com.br/a/rs/s/santa-maria-do-herval/decreto/2009/1/5/decreto-n-5-2009-dispoe-sobre-a-comunicacao-em-hunsrik-nas-escolas-da-rede-municipal-de-ensino-em-santa-maria-do-herval?q=005
• https://www.pmspa.sc.gov.br/noticias/index/ver/codMapaItem/33907/codNoticia/330955

I am going to include them there, thanks for pointing it to me. Imperadors (talk) 10:40, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Imperadors. I hope you don't mind my having moved this discussion from my talk page. I'll revert if you have any objections. Ultimately, I have only a passing knowledge of Germanic languages. What I do know after years on Wikipedia is that "Ethnologue" has a fairly poor reputation in the linguistic community, whereas "Glottolog" has a much stronger standing. Seeing as you are relatively new to Wikipedia, perhaps you might want to involve yourself in the Ethnic group project, even only if to the extent of your own specific interests. I see you've already been welcomed aboard Wikipedia by our excellent editor, Paine Ellsworth. Follow the links and familiarise yourself with our ideology, don't let yourself be bullied, but try not to be an inadvertent bully yourself; we've all been there when we've been around for too long and feel too confident. Asking is a good thing. Best of all, happy editing! The more the merrier... well, the more, the more intelligent scrutiny of text and quality information for the reader, at the least. If you're not entirely convinced that your sources are good, try out the Neutral point of view noticeboard for community opinions. Happy editing! Iryna Harpy (talk) 07:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand why some of these pages on different communities in Brazil have such exaggerated numbers, avoiding using more official and reputable sources when those show more reasonable figures, and prefer to cite articles that have themselves no sources. For example, this claim that the Brazilian National Census in 2000 counted any amount of people of German descent is absurd, as the Brazilian National Census has not recorded questions on ethnicity or ancestry since 1940. Other information like the "exceptional" fertility of German women also contradict the data and seem to come mostly from anecdotes, as sources show that the group with the highest fertility rate was, unsurprisingly, Brazilian women, not any immigrant group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14D:5C70:970E:6D94:BBF9:454B:6B71 (talk) 04:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)