Talk:Germiyanids/GA1

Links, citation, copyright

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• Citations
  • 1c Amidst the chaos caused by the Anatolian campaign of the Mamluk Sultan Baibars of Egypt in 1277, Ala al-Din Siyavush, commonly known as Jimri, revolted against the Mongols as a pretender to the Seljuk legacy and 1d Although Jimri and Mehmed were eliminated, the Karamanids' presence in Anatolia persisted, signaling further division in the region, which was symptomatic of the downfall of the Seljuks. aren't supported by the citation, unless I'm misreading things.

    For some reason, I missed these comments, but here is a quote from the source: In 1277, the Mamluk sultan Baybars launched a major invasion of Anatolia, defeating the Il-khanid forces at Albustayn. However, the aid the Mamluks had apparently been promised by the treacherousMoʿin-al-Din Solaymān never materialized, and Baybars was forced to withdraw in the face of an army lead by the Il-khan Abaqa (r. 1265-82). Meanwhile, a revolt by Moḥammad Beg (r. 1261-78), leader of the Qaramanid (Qaramān oḡullari) Turkmen of south central Anatolia, had taken Konya in the name of ʿAlāʾ-Din Siāvoš, known to some sources as Jemri, who claimed to be a son of the exiled ʿEzz-al-Din Kaykāvus II.

    Although both Jemri and Moḥammad Beg were killed, in the long run theQaramanids remained a powerful threat to Mongol control of the southern periphery of Anatolia where they founded their own principality

    The fragmentation of Anatolia, demonstrated by the continued lingering existence of the Daneshmandid territories as a political unit, increased in the 14th century with the proliferation of principalities so that the Saljuq sultanate cannot be simply considered a predecessor to the Ottomans who brought all of Anatolia under their rule.

  • Mélikoff 1965 needs page numbers.

    I accessed the online version, though. Aintabli (talk) 01:40, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

  • Philippides 1990 doesn't support 8. Page number is probably wrong.

    Yes, it should have been page 6. I didn't add this reference, so the page number may have been set incorrectly. Or when I was formatting the references, I may have introduced a typo. I fixed it now. Aintabli (talk) 04:40, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

• Sourcing: I read all the mentioned pages of the English sources. The article is a fair representation of them.

Prose/structure

• In the lead:
  • This sentence doesn't work: Germiyan first appeared in 1239 near Malatya tasked with suppressing the Babai revolt.

    Does changing it to first appeared in historical records in 1239 work?

  • The tribe relocated to western Anatolia with the encroaching Mongol invasion. from where?

    From near Malatya, which is the last place mentioned before that sentence. Though, the sources might not be explicit about it.

  • Amidst the political tension caused would be better without the "the" - you have not described this political tension yet

     Done

  • I don't think rule works here: Yakub lacked male heirs and left the rule to Murad II
  • In the last paragraph, I understand why you are using the transliteration template, but the s outside of the hyperlinks is distracting. Maybe use piped links? Also, use italic=no for the ones in italic.

    Used piped links and "italic=no". Aintabli (talk) 04:58, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

• Background:
  • Link Yakub I the first time you mention him

     Done

  • Maybe link Babai revolt to rebellion in the first paragraph

     Done

• Yakub I (c. 1300 – c. 1340)
  • Sultan al-Germiyaniyya Chelebi al-Azam azzamallahu kadrehu could use a translation.

    Added basic translation, I removed the last 2 words, since they are actually part of a sentence meaning "May God increase his honor" or something like that, so it's not actually part of his title and is thus unneeded.

• Yakub II (1387–1429)
  • realizing that he had no other choice to survive should be rewritten.

    Thought of mentioning that it was his only choice, but I believe such commentary isn't very encyclopedic, so I have removed it.

  • Murad annexed Germiyan as requested by Yakub, which brought the history of Germiyan to an end. the history of Germiyan -> its history

     Done

• Architecture
  • Should Külliye be capitalized?

    It's part of a proper noun, I believe.

• Literature
  • defterdar could use a translation

     Done Aintabli (talk) 01:32, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

• Structure: the article is structured in a very traditional manner, chronicling each ruler's feats. This mirrors the literature, most likely, and would need to be changed if the article was to be made into A or FA class, in my opinion.