Talk:Hypixel/Archive 1
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Notability
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#New Articles (December 2 to December 8) czar 16:17, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Lead rewrite
Article WP:LEAD is supposed to summarize the rest of the article. I have tagged the article accordingly, but the notice was removed without explanation. So to expand: lead should not have inline citations and lead should not have material not present in the rest of the article. Both of these are issues in the current revision. I attempted to fix these once but my edits were reverted without explanation. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 11:51, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Notable source wrong?
According to Variety, Hypixel (Network) is developed by Hypixel Studios... This information is false according to the creator... Feel free to roll back if the source is more important than the information, however I doubt wikipedia should maintain a confusing piece of info. (Also, notice that hypixel.net's EV cert is identified as Hypixel Inc.)
https://hypixel.net/threads/announcing-hypixel-studios-and-hytale.1896235/ " What is the difference between Hypixel Inc. and Hypixel Studios?
Hypixel Inc. is the company that runs (and will continue to run) the Hypixel server. Hypixel Studios is a new company that has been formed in order to develop Hytale.
" 90.120.142.234 (talk) 20:20, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, that source is wrong. They hurriedly combined the game's owner with the server's owner. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 20:45, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
- Just looking too much into details, both owners are the same, but the owners owns two different companies ;) I'm also almost sure no 3rd party sources ever used the "Hypixel Inc." before : on Minecraft servers, players don't care about the legal status of a server (most of them aren't legal BTW), they only care about *who* is in charge. 90.120.142.234 (talk) 08:33, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
H. Studio foundation + companies headquarters?
I splited the new company infobox into one for each company. However, I don't know when Studio has been founded and don't know how to find that as the game started developping several years before the announcement. (Source : tweets from @Hypixel at-the-time personal account, now wiped out to become Studio account) On another subject, "Headquarters : worldwide" seems strenge as the store only accept international or Canadian payment. Could someone find a source please? 90.120.142.234 (talk) 19:29, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
The article is about the game server, not the company. The infobox should not be about the company. The company is not notable, the server is. We mention the company in passing, but the sources say almost nothing about it. We also mention the game because that was the result of merging the Hytale article, but that information will get moved out as soon as the game is released and received proper coverage. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 19:40, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
I think that there should be multiple pages for Hytale, Hypixel Studios and Hypixel Network. However, there is currently not enough sufficient information to support the first two. For now, I think this article should cover everything related to Hypixel, then we'll create pages for Hytale and Hypixel Studios when more information becomes available around release. --Jsraynault (talk) 22:15, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- The article can cover such related information proportionally to the sourcing. However, there are no sources for the company other than those server and game articles that mention it briefly in passing. Including a long description or an infobox would not be appropriate. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 22:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Scope concerns
Last night, the mentions of Hypixel's Youtube channel were removed from the History In my opinion it is a mistake, as the server was originally created to host the maps shown on the Youtube channel The maps and the channel were the reason why the server was so popular when it launched Removing mentions of the Hypixel maps/channel as "we are talking about the server" is like saying we shouldn't talk about the Boston Tea Party when talking about the history of the USA.
Also, there is another problem with the edit in my opinion : "we are talking about the server"... the page's name is "Hypixel", which is NOT the Minecraft Server. The page currently talks about Hypixel Studio and Hytale, which are *less* related to the server than the Hypixel caps
- "Hypixel" is the name of the owner
- "Hypixel Network" is the name of the Java Edition server
- "Hypixel China Server" is the name in China (according to only one announcement, name could have changed since)
- "Hypixel, Inc." is maintaining Hypixel Network
- "Hypixel Studios" is making Hytale
- If we count *failed* projects, there's also "Hypixel PE" (named bladestorm before the relationship was revealed)
Therefore we should either A) Let in the history mentions of the maps/channel, as they are a part of "Hypixel" B) Delete/move everything about Studios/Hytale and rename the page as "Hypixel Network" B2) As "Hypixel Network" is nothing more than a huge Minecraft server, it could lead to a merge between this page and the info about other Minecraft Servers like Mineplex
Remember that almost all current notable sources are talking about the Hytale announcement Either we handle Hypixel as a whole, else we'll have handle it as merely one Minecraft server But I honestly doubt a page about Hypixel Network is notable enough for Wikipedia, while Hypixel encompasses two servers (three with the PE alpha) and a game 193.191.221.220 (talk) 09:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- The page is (presumably) about the server. And the WP:COMMONNAME for that is "Hypixel". Whether "Hypixel Network" is technically the name is irrelevant because we go by what reliable sources say, such as WP:VG/RS. In this case, the term "Hypixel Network" is never mentioned by any source. History mentions and YouTube channel are fine as long as they are reliably sourced. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 21:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry for my edit summary. Add whatever you want to the thing, just make it relevent and sourced correctly. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 09:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
- I agree that everybody uses "Hypixel (server)" as the server's name, however Hypixel is *also* the commonly used name for the owner itself... and it's also probably the case for the company owned by the owner operating the server, I don't think it will manageable on the long run... (also, I predict a catch-22 about the notability of Hytale). Here's an example : " On december 9, 2018, Hypixel announced a new stand-alone game in development called Hytale " This sentence is about the owner, using the server's forum for marketing purpose... but the server is not involved with Hytale's development. Also, on Twitter, @Hypixel used to be owner's personal account, the server has always been @Hypixel_Network. PS: I'm the unregistered user who started the talk 90.120.142.234 (talk) 20:20, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
- Someone changed the server infobox into a company infobox with both the server and Hytale. I edited it into two distinct infoboxes but the header part clearly starts with "Hypixel is a server ..." but both solutions assume the COMPANY is the subject. 90.120.142.234 (talk) 19:18, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'm *again* the unregistered user who started the section... I still think the wikipedia article should make clear that the "Hypixel" name can refer to several things (it's the common name of the server, but the "official username" of the owner). There are at least two correct ways to talk about the server : "Hypixel" and "Hypixel Network", while online there is only one way to name the owner : "Hypixel". An example of confusing statement is "Hypixel announced a new stand-alone game" : as is the announcement comes from the server, in the sources the announcement was from Hypixel Studios, in practice the owner also made a personal announcement both on the server and on the server's forums... yet the statement is true because the owner is called Hypixel, a fact never mentionned on the page! As a wikipedian example for creators known by username, the article about Minecraft's creator mentions that he's "better known as Notch"[1] 2A02:A03F:3A98:7900:914B:7CA8:7D8B:E703 (talk) 00:29, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
- Wikipedia follows WP:V, which in short means we source everything. Sources call "it" Hypixel. Yes, they mix the company, the server network, the person, and the new studio together. But making this distinction is not up to us. Also, the article does say "Simon Collins-Laflamme (known as Hypixel)". — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 11:35, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but I disagree : the sources (at least 2 on 3) claim that Hypixel *Studio* did the announcement and Hypixel is also the name of the owner, the Wikipedia article says that "Hypixel" did, and the lead of the page states that Hypixel is the name of the server. The current page implies that Hypixel is only used for the server, which can lead to problems as different sources can use Hypixel for different entities. If the sources talk about the owner when saying "Hypixel", I'm pretty sure Wikipedia can't say both "Hypixel did..." and simply "Hypixel is the name of the server" as it will lead to misleading interpretation from the sources, right? Yes, the source said that, but they meant a different "Hypixel" than Wikipedia. (EDIT: still the same user) 2A02:A03F:3A98:7900:3C71:D3FE:ADD:796A (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
- Wikipedia follows WP:V, which in short means we source everything. Sources call "it" Hypixel. Yes, they mix the company, the server network, the person, and the new studio together. But making this distinction is not up to us. Also, the article does say "Simon Collins-Laflamme (known as Hypixel)". — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 11:35, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'm *again* the unregistered user who started the section... I still think the wikipedia article should make clear that the "Hypixel" name can refer to several things (it's the common name of the server, but the "official username" of the owner). There are at least two correct ways to talk about the server : "Hypixel" and "Hypixel Network", while online there is only one way to name the owner : "Hypixel". An example of confusing statement is "Hypixel announced a new stand-alone game" : as is the announcement comes from the server, in the sources the announcement was from Hypixel Studios, in practice the owner also made a personal announcement both on the server and on the server's forums... yet the statement is true because the owner is called Hypixel, a fact never mentionned on the page! As a wikipedian example for creators known by username, the article about Minecraft's creator mentions that he's "better known as Notch"[1] 2A02:A03F:3A98:7900:914B:7CA8:7D8B:E703 (talk) 00:29, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Are there notable sources about kevinkool?
Kevinkool used to be a Hypixel Network admin until the day he... dissepeared. I'm not saying he didn't log back, I'm saying than all his account history got wiped out, the IG item (paintball hat) named after him has been silently renamed and his username+variations got locked at account creation (and some players claimed being muted when talking about him) According to a YT video ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=ennIri8QR7M ) it seems he had.. inappropriate behavior with staff members and underage players, and the staff would have then forced mods-and-higher to never talk again with kevinkool. Does anyone know if a notable source talked about or confirmed that, or even mentioned Kool at all? 90.120.142.234 (talk) 09:00, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- No, only information with notable sources can be included, so this one doesn’t and can’t count. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 23:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Maybe is a clarification about Guiness Records necessary?
Maybe it's out of scope, but does someone knows how the Guiness Book counted the "games" for the 43 record? I remember that when the Arcade Game launched, Hypixel said it had doubled the number of games... if every part of the "Party Games" Arcade compilation were counted separately. I know that "as is" the page is correct, it is proven that the Guiness recognized 43 games on Hypixel Network, but I wonder how the Guiness Book compared the games. It's even more dubious about "most popular Minecraft server", it's a fact Guiness recognized that... but what does that mean? (Also, I find funny that Wikipedia claims "is one of the most popular" while list a "most popular" award without clarification) 2A02:A03F:3A98:7900:914B:7CA8:7D8B:E703 (talk) 00:29, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
- That wouldn’t be WP:NPOV, and it’s the only server with an article, so I included it as ‘one of the’ instead of calling it ‘the most’ to adhere to a NPOV. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 23:44, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Proposal for deletion
You can read the purpose on Page Issues, but I didn't directly leave it to be deleted because I feel like this article may have some potential, if all reasons for deletion proposal can be changed.
Lafayette Baguette (talk) 05:16, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- Haha, 100 edits and already deleting pages? Try extended confimed or gaining more experience before trying to ‘help’. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 06:18, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Even if I personally love the page's subject, I agree there is not really much sourced info to justify the page.
The server has not received many mainstream press coverage, and there is few infos about Hytale... as both are from different companies, the consensus is that they should have separated pages, but the separate subjects are very small. 2A02:A03F:3A43:A900:6545:8350:23A0:6A65 (talk) 13:22, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- "not really much sourced info" -- the threshold is WP:GNG. "as both are from different companies [..]" -- this is not relevant to GNG, WP:NOTINHERITED. "consensus is that they should have separated pages" -- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hytale redirected Hytale to this page (until if and when the game is actually released). What other consensus are you talking about? — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 14:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- The deletion discussion passed with a clear vote of keep. The sources are all right, so don’t worry and stop complaining. The article is great. Now let’s go celebrate 2019. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 09:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Should Minecraft Edition be specified?
Minecraft's version 1.12.2 officially renamed the game into "Minecraft : Java Edition" and the crossplatform version (nicknamed Bedrock) has been renamed "Minecraft". The way huge Bedrock servers are operated is different from the Java servers (huge Bedrock servers are partners, aledgly exempted from the EULA, Java servers are third-party, legally oversized end users with huge resources). I believe saying that Hypixel is a *Java* server would be an important information as Hypixel is the biggest "mega-server" which didn't became a Bedrock partner. Many players are assuming, when purchasing Bedrock, that Hypixel is available alongside its competitors like Mineplex, and I believe this information should be available in the lead. The reason I'm asking the question in the talk page is because of the sources : Hypixel launched at the time Java edition was simply called "Minecraft" and is often called nowadays "a Minecraft server", while Wikipedia readers could assume that "Minecraft" refers to the one version officially named as such by Microsoft/Mojang. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 11:42, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
