Talk:I

Over time, Spitzak and I have been replacing the fat table of legacy encodings and related material from the letter articles with a simple Unicode list, without opposition until Vanisaac reverted that change at this article today. IMO, they are WP:undue, clutter, and WP: NOTMANUAL violations. If anybody wants to know how a letter was encoded in CP/M or EBCDIC (for example), then that will start from those articles, not here. The letter articles are long and every element needs to earn its keep. That table does not.

To be fair, the change has not been discussed before now, so this is the wp:BRD forum. Discuss. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 06:44, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I removed a number of these from non-alphabet pages. IMHO, except for saying what code EBCDIC uses, these tables provide exactly zero information, anybody who knows what any of the columns means or is capable of deciphering these tables will also know how to compute the values in the columns directly from the unicode code point.

It seems like other encodings (navy flags, braille, etc) are in a later table. That is where EBCDIC should go. Unicode needs a list of relevant code points. Spitzak (talk) 20:10, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

I must now question why the IBM coding system particularly merits mention. If we do that, then why not the systems used by the BUNCH (Boroughs, Univac, NCR, Honeywell)? And why not the Japanese system? The Russian? British? French? And diwn that rabbit hole follows the different "extended ASCII" codes in the upper control area, used by Apple and Microsoft.

So unless anyone has a good case to retain the exception, I propose to delete it in a week from now. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:50, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

You are probably right. Anybody interested in this can go to EBCDIC which has a table.

The flags and so on are kind of interesting but maybe people can just go to those subjects as well, they certainly have a table, and comparing the entries for different letters is probably much more informative. Spitzak (talk) 23:48, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

The ISO 8859 series standards are obsoleted by Unicode.

The html numeric value is given by unichar in hex, conversion to decimal is trivial. But I will add the html= parameters for the tiny intersection between the set of those who care and the set of those who don't know how to rtfm.

UTF8 (and UTF16) representations are wildly undue. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:46, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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The hatnote are a mess, so here is a proposal that I would make:

{{Short description|Ninth letter of the Latin alphabet}}
{{distinguish|text=[[¡]]; [[l]]; the number [[1]]; or the Cyrillic letters [[Palochka|Palochka (Ӏ)]] or [[Dotted I (Cyrillic)|Dotted І (І)]]}}
{{For-multi|the first-person singular personal pronoun in the English language|I (pronoun){{!}}''I'' (pronoun)|the unit imaginary number|i (number){{!}}<span class="texhtml mvar" style="font-style:italic;">i</span><noinclude>
 (number)||I (disambiguation)}}
{{self-reference|For [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)|technical reasons]], "ı" redirects here. You may be looking for [[Dotless I]] or [[İ]].}}

I think having to cleanup the hatnotes to be organized makes sense to me. --2600:1700:6180:6290:414E:BADE:377D:C1A (talk) 22:51, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello IP user. I have split your request off from the thread you (I assume) accidentally posted it in. Unfortunately, the change you are requesting is far too big for me to review (at least right now) and I fear you will need to get consensus for it first, so:
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.Slomo666 (talk) 00:58, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

 Not done. The list of possible confusions and distinctions was already silly and this was the last straw. I have boldly cut it to as simple

• This article is about the Latin letter I. For other uses, see I (disambiguation).

which seems to me to just get to the point immediately with the minimum of clutter and confusion. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:02, 13 October 2025 (UTC)