Talk:Jioji cloth

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Jioji cloth → George (fabric) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, "George" is the commonly used name for this fabric in reliable sources, while "Jioji" appears to be a fringe term with little support in reliable sources and none for it as the main title. The article should therefore use the common name. Dolpina (talk) 14:19, 13 August 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Thanks! —1isall (talk | contribs) 01:58, 21 August 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. –Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley${\displaystyle \lor }$investigateᛅ} 02:24, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

Let me add, I didn't even find any sources for "jioji", that's aside the fact that George fabric is the actual common and relevant name here anyway. Dolpina (talk) 17:03, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

I oppose the move. When I created the article, I initially used “Jioji (George) cloth.” It subsequently went through new page review, after which the title was shortened to “Jioji cloth.” I have retained Jioji because the sources I found specifically use it for this Igbo/Akwete textile.

Dolpina's claim that it is a fringe term with little support is not borne out by the literature.

Chuku explicitly discusses the “Jioji (George) cloth” in Igbo Women and Economic Transformation in Southeastern Nigeria, 1900- 1960 (p. 72), identifying it as a design of Akwete patterned after Indian Madras. Chuku - Google Books: https://books.google.es/books?id=Z3jouPZxPC4C&pg=PA72&dq=jioji+cloth&hl=en

Entrepreneurship in Africa: A Historical Approach (2018) independently lists “Jioji (George)” as a type of cloth. Entrepreneurship in Africa - Google Books: https://books.google.es/books?id=Es1PDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT156&dq=jioji+cloth&hl=en

Ekejiuba’s Money Matters (1995) also discusses jioji cloth in two pages in the context of Igbo social and marriage payments.

Igwe and Green’s Igbo Language Course (Oxford University Press, 1967, p. 57) independently defines jioji as a “specially fine kind of cloth.” Igbo Language Course - Google Books: https://books.google.es/books?id=vo0OAAAAYAAJ&q=jioji+cloth&dq=jioji+cloth&hl=en

These sources establish Jioji as a recognized cloth category within the Igbo/Akwete weaving tradition, not a fringe term. Lamb and Holmes’ Nigerian Weaving also provide historical context, explaining that Madam Jorji Nmereji Nbokwo’s family changed her name from Jorji to George, stating that the Akwete cloth called George was named after her. Nigerian Weaving - Internet Archive, p. 238: https://archive.org/details/nigerian-weaving-venice-lamb-judy-holme/page/238/mode/1up?q=george

Given that the subject is specifically a cloth category within an Igbo weaving tradition, I think the established traditional name Jioji cloth should be retained just like other traditional textiles like Akwete cloth , Akwa ocha -(a specific type of Igbo hand-spun cloth).

More importantly, no source has been provided in this discussion demonstrating that George is the common name for this specific textile that has so far only been asserted. The published sources explicitly use “Jioji (George)” for the subject, so the evidence does not supports moving the article away from Jioji cloth. Dreune (talk) 18:04, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

Did you even check the links you are posting? Dolpina (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

The links to the sources are working from my end. Manually verify the sources with the given details if you can't access them, most of them are in the article reference list already. Dreune (talk) 22:19, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

I never claimed they arent working. They say "GEORGE" not jioji. Dolpina (talk) 14:28, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

You weren't specific. Your claim that "THEY say George not Jioji" is not accurate.

And you’ve conflated the point I made. Your argument is that Jioji is a fringe term and George is the most common name. The sources I provided show otherwise. Jioji is repeatedly used in academic and linguistic literature for this specific Igbo/Akwete textile, including “Jioji (George)” and the 1967 Oxford University Press Igbo Language Course, which defines jioji as a kind of cloth among others listed, while it appears independently from page 146-151 of Ekejiuba's money matters. And like aforementioned, Lamb and Holmes provides the historical context on how George derives from the Igbo Weaver's name; Jorji while Chuku discusses Jioji, George and Jorji in the same historical context showing the connection between the names.

No one said George doesn’t appear in the literature, after all the original title I used was "Jioji (George) cloth" which was moved to "Jioji cloth" during new page review, I retained that title while working on the article. You recently moved it to "George (fabric)" but it was immediately reverted to "Jioji cloth" again by another editor. It clearly does. But its appearance does not make Jioji a fringe term, nor does it establish that “George (fabric)” is more common than Jioji. You didn't present evidences that demonstrates "George (fabric)" being the most common rather than jioji. Dreune (talk) 16:13, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

What was I not being specific about? I feel like I'm being gaslit here. Anyways this is about Wikipedia common name rules, which the links you post proves the move is 100% correct, which anyone can and will see. That's will be all. Dolpina (talk) 20:01, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

What needs to be proven is how George is the most common name while Jioji is merely a fringe term according to your claim. The appearance of both names in academic literature does not establish that. The source links makes reference to both. The Wikipedia article itself make reference to both as well. What they do not establish is George being the most common name rather than Jioji. If your exact point remains that Jioji is not found, used or recorded in the first three source links I provided, a claim which isn't accurate, I'll leave that for the appropriate reviewers to verify. The first three sources in addition to the aforementioned book: "Money matters"1995 Money Matters, pp. 146–151 — Jioji without added direct link initially clearly demonstrate repeated use of Jioji in academic literature. The third link which is the 1967 Oxford University Press Igbo Language Course specifically defines jioji as a “specially fine kind of cloth,” here providing direct linguistic evidence for the term. Also, per WP:PRECISION, and WP:NATURAL, "Jioji cloth" which was selected during new page review, is preferable to George (fabric) for this specific textile Dreune (talk) 00:32, 18 August 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Igbo and WikiProject Nigeria have been notified of this discussion. Thanks! —1isall (talk | contribs) 01:58, 21 August 2026 (UTC)

the links you post proves the move is 100% correct, which anyone can and will see

Well then, let's look at the links.

Chuku explicitly discusses the “Jioji (George) cloth” in Igbo Women and Economic Transformation in Southeastern Nigeria, 1900-1960 (p. 72)

As I view the page, this calls it "Jịọjị (George)", "Jịọjị or George", "George", and "Jịọjị".

Entrepreneurship in Africa: A Historical Approach (2018) independently lists “Jioji (George)” as a type of cloth.

Yes, agreed.

Ekejiuba’s "Money Matters" (1995) also discusses jioji cloth in two pages in the context of Igbo social and marriage payments.

This seems to be a chapter in a book that's hosted (legally or otherwise) by Scribd, from where it can be downloaded (legally or otherwise) by those willing to register. I'm not willing, and I haven't been able to see this.

Igwe and Green’s Igbo Language Course (Oxford University Press, 1967, p. 57) independently defines jioji as a “specially fine kind of cloth.”

Actually it glosses jịọjị as a “specially fine kind of cloth”. (But it's dealing with the vocabulary of Igbo, not with that of English [whether Nigerian or more or less international].)

I'd say that the claims for jịọjị* seem weak. Meanwhile:

"George" is the commonly used name for this fabric in reliable sources, while "Jioji" appears to be a fringe term with little support in reliable sources

1. Jioji* doesn't appear to me to be a fringe term.
2. Where are the reliable sources that use "George" in preference to "Jioji"*?

* Whether capitalized or not, whether italicized or not, whether with underdots or not

-- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 08:00, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

Here's an English language linguistic study by John Jowitt that glosses "Jioji" as a dress and lists it along with other Nigerian local clothes namely: Akwete cloth, Adire etc: Jioji - dress by John Howitt 1998

Here's also an internet archive access to the book you couldn't download.

[https://archive.org/details/moneymattersinst0000unse/page/146/mode/1up?q=Jioji

Money matters : instability, values, and social payments in the modern history of West African communities (1995). Jioji was used here in pages 146, 147 and 151 to describe the cloth.

I'd provide more English language sources if necessary.

My point which reflects in the article is that both Jioji and George are recognised names for the cloth but George isn't the most common and Jioji isn't a fringe term and is common local term Dreune (talk) 09:04, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

The "snippet view" that Google Books provides of Nigerian English Usage is so tiny that all I learn is that, in at least one place, that book uses jioji. The second, Ekejiuba's "Currency instability and social payments among the Igbo of Eastern Nigeria, 1890–1990" is clear. She repeatedly uses jioji, and as far as I can see doesn't once use "George". -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 11:29, 28 August 2026 (UTC)