Talk:KPop Demon Hunters/Archive 2
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"Huntrix" vs. "Huntr/x"
Is there a specific reason why this article uses "Huntr/x" instead of "Huntrix"? I think "Huntrix" would be better for the article's accessibility: "Huntr/x" is more likely to confuse screen readers as to how to pronounce the name. Also, many other articles about musicians or musical groups with stylized typography for their names use the pronunciation spelling and then indicate the stylized name in parentheses:
- Pink (singer):
Pink (stylized as P!NK)
- Blackpink:
Blackpink (...stylized in all caps or as BLΛƆKPIИK)
This conforms with MOS:TMSTYLE:
Indicating stylizationsIn the article about a trademark, give the version that follows the usual rules of spelling and punctuation, boldfaced in the lead sentence. Follow this with a note, such as "(stylized as ...)" or "(stylised as ...)", depending on the article's variety of English, with the stylization if one exists and is significantly different. It should also be in bold, and may include simple styling, like capitalization changes, decorative characters, or superscripting (but not colorization, attempts to emulate font choices, or other elaborate effects). Then resume using the normal English spelling for the remainder of the article. In other articles that mention the subject, use only the normal English spelling, not the stylization.
"Huntrix" may be a real-world trademark or merely a fictional one, but either way I think this convention should be followed.
Also, "Huntrix" is used in the official subtitles on Netflix. Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 03:27, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- It is similar to K/DA or AC/DC (ie. those articles maintain the slash when referring to the respective bands). Sometimes bands have names that will be difficult for screen readers (ex: Chvrches which maintains that spelling throughout the article even though it is pronounced "Churches"). I will also flag that the alt text for the infobox image does use "Huntrix" for screen readers & there's a footnote next to the first use of "Huntr/x" which explains the pronunciation. Sariel Xilo (talk) 03:56, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with Sariel Xilo that the situation is more comparable to K/DA or AC/DC. Spellings like "Huntrix" are phonetic transcriptions (in the same way that "Kay Dee Ay" or "Churches" are the phonetic transcriptions of K/DA & Chvrches), not unstylizations, and are treated as such by the sources. (The use of "Huntrix" in the Netflix subtitles is specifically for that phonetic purpose, with all other Netflix material using the proper "Huntr/x" spelling.) — Jamie Eilat (talk) 04:31, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Plus Huntr/x is already the unstylized form of HUNTR/X (per MOS:ALLCAPS), rather than the '/' necessarily being a stylized 'i'. — Jamie Eilat (talk) 14:46, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- The slash in K/DA and AC/DC are not there to represent a letter but as a actual separator between the parts of the name. The slash in "Huntr/x" is specifically meant to replace the "i" in "Huntrix" and look cool. This 100% falls into the "assist with screenreaders" arena like we do with Pink or Kesha. Masem (t) 14:29, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Personally, I would support using Huntrix, rather than Huntr/x, with a note along the lines of what @Qzekrom is suggesting, saying something like "Huntrix (...stylized in all caps as HUNTR/X or as Huntr/x)". Having the article in such a way that assists with screenreaders is something we should do, not make it harder. That's the bare minimum of what we can do. Historyday01 (talk) 15:51, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: Good point – unlike in "Huntr/x", the slashes in K/DA and AC/DC are not pronounced. Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 16:27, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Rather than the '/' being pronounced, it seems instead that the pronunciation of "Huntr/x" is coming from the name of the letter 'X' being used for pronunciation; hence why "Huntrex" has also been used of as a phonetic transcription for "Huntr/x" in certain cases, in addition to the "Huntrix" transcription. So it would indeed be like with K/DA & AC/DC. — Jamie Eilat (talk) 16:49, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- None of the imagery shown in the film suggests this. the slash is replacing the "i" in a stylized way. If the slash was like ACDC then the pronounciation would be "Hunt-er-exx" not "Hunt-er-rex" as it is commonly heard. And numerous RSes use "Huntrix" in refering to the band. Masem (t) 18:34, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- I agree. We should just use "Huntrix" in the article. By the way, we should also move the Draft:Huntr/x page to Draft:Huntrix, as well, to be consistent. I keep that page on a watchlist along with others. Historyday01 (talk) 12:58, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- None of the imagery shown in the film suggests this. the slash is replacing the "i" in a stylized way. If the slash was like ACDC then the pronounciation would be "Hunt-er-exx" not "Hunt-er-rex" as it is commonly heard. And numerous RSes use "Huntrix" in refering to the band. Masem (t) 18:34, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Rather than the '/' being pronounced, it seems instead that the pronunciation of "Huntr/x" is coming from the name of the letter 'X' being used for pronunciation; hence why "Huntrex" has also been used of as a phonetic transcription for "Huntr/x" in certain cases, in addition to the "Huntrix" transcription. So it would indeed be like with K/DA & AC/DC. — Jamie Eilat (talk) 16:49, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with Sariel Xilo that the situation is more comparable to K/DA or AC/DC. Spellings like "Huntrix" are phonetic transcriptions (in the same way that "Kay Dee Ay" or "Churches" are the phonetic transcriptions of K/DA & Chvrches), not unstylizations, and are treated as such by the sources. (The use of "Huntrix" in the Netflix subtitles is specifically for that phonetic purpose, with all other Netflix material using the proper "Huntr/x" spelling.) — Jamie Eilat (talk) 04:31, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Definitely support changing it to 'Huntrix', though I know this isn't an RfC. The way I see it, we don't write Eminem's name as 'EMINƎM', though writing it like that is possible. It should be the same here, that though 'Huntr/x' is possible to write, we don't use that stylisation for accessibility and, really, encyclopedic purposes. Newbzy (talk) 09:18, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Completely agree. Writing it as Huntrix (the characters say it this way multiple times through the film), rather than Huntr/x serves encyclopedic and accessibility purposes. If you search on Google Scholar, it's almost evenly divided between using either one (there really aren't that many articles about the band on there, probably less than 30 in all), while Billboard, Polygon, Collider, CBR, People Magazine, Salt Lake Tribune (also uses "Huntrix" once), Vulture, BBC, and LA Times, Salon (uses "Huntr/x" a few times, but uses "Huntrix" four times), and an article entitled "KPop Demon Hunters: Cultural Representation in Contemporary Korean Animation, use "Huntr/x"
- On the other hand, Gizmodo, The Hollywood Reporter, Korea Herald, Zalora Philippines, Manila Standard, The Gamer, New York Times, The Atlantic, Screenrant, National Audubon Society (this is about the bird in the film), Samsung, Korea Economic Daily, The Economist, CBR, Uproxx (also uses "Huntr/x" but only once), Out Magazine, The Straits Times, Asia News Network, Billboard Philippines, and an article entitled "Sexy K-pop demons, a human lie detector and shearers on strike: what to watch in July" use "Huntrix".
- Netflix's Tudum seems to be consistent in using "Huntr/x" as shown here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here, in-line with the official merch store run by Netflix. However, official video postings by Netflix on YouTube here, here, here, here, here, and here, use the name "Huntrix" (I also remember there was one other official music video/clip which used "Huntr/x" and a few others which talk about Huntrix but never use either name).
- I hope this helps. There's probably more sources, but some of those sites weren't loading for me, so I couldn't include them. Historyday01 (talk) 13:49, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- I agree that it should be "
Huntrix
" because that's what MOS:TMSTYLE for. 𝙳.𝟷𝟾𝚝𝚑 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 13:41, 18 November 2025 (UTC) - I also agree that it should be "Huntrix" in general use. We should definitely say in its first usage that it is stylized as "Huntr/x". This fits MOS:TMSTYLE. Erik (talk | contrib) 14:01, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- It appears that there is a consensus for using Huntrix. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 00:44, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Righto, I've edited the article to make the necessary replacements/updates; if someone reverts it, I ask that they please contribute to this discussion. Side note, related articles such as Golden (Huntr/x song) should also be renamed in accordance with the changes, which I can also do if consensus is in support. Newbzy (talk) 03:02, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- About moving that particular article…it's already been nominated for move on August 5, 2025. Golden (Huntr/x song) → Golden (2025 song), not moved. I don't think a bold move is an option per WP:RMUM. We would need to start a new requested move. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 12:07, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Righto, I've edited the article to make the necessary replacements/updates; if someone reverts it, I ask that they please contribute to this discussion. Side note, related articles such as Golden (Huntr/x song) should also be renamed in accordance with the changes, which I can also do if consensus is in support. Newbzy (talk) 03:02, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per MOS:TMRULES: "Avoid using special characters (...) unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name. See also discussion at Talk:Golden (Huntr/x song). 162 etc. (talk) 21:46, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- I have to strongly disagree with this opinion, since reliable sources favor "Huntrix" over "Huntr/x". See my above comment. Also, using "Huntr/x" is bound to create various accessibility problems with slashes are used.Historyday01 (talk) 23:38, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- According to your own post, "it's almost evenly divided"; and looking at the examples you've cited, it does not appear that reliable sources "favor 'Huntrix' over 'Huntr/x'". 162 etc. (talk) 00:18, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- That is a gross misunderstanding of my post. When I said "almost evenly divided" I was talking about articles in Google Scholar (I'm not even sure that most of the sources in Google Scholar when you look up "Huntrix" or "Huntr/x" are even academic articles), NOT about overall sourcing. Please understand my posts before making a comment. Anyway, my post shows that more sources favor Huntrix over Huntr/x, with 11 for Huntr/x and 20 for Huntrix.--Historyday01 (talk) 13:18, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Huntr/x is used in official promotional materials such as in their official merchandise store[1]. Huntrix is only used on the subtitles, probably for pronunciation, but everywhere else, even in the movie at some points, Huntr/x is the preferred stylization. ~2025-35354-56 (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- which per TMRULES, we thus should be using the Huntrix version for easy of accessibility on WP Masem (t) 15:31, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- How exactly does using a different stylisation make the article "accessible"? ~2025-35411-05 (talk) 17:14, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- For people using screen readers. They can pronounce "Huntrix" as a word, where H-U-N-T-R-Slash-X is going to take a lot longer to get through. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:18, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- oh i actually didn't think of that thank you so much for informing me of that ~2025-35411-05 (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- For people using screen readers. They can pronounce "Huntrix" as a word, where H-U-N-T-R-Slash-X is going to take a lot longer to get through. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:18, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- That's part of my argument as well. Historyday01 (talk) 18:41, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- How exactly does using a different stylisation make the article "accessible"? ~2025-35411-05 (talk) 17:14, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- which per TMRULES, we thus should be using the Huntrix version for easy of accessibility on WP Masem (t) 15:31, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Huntr/x is used in official promotional materials such as in their official merchandise store[1]. Huntrix is only used on the subtitles, probably for pronunciation, but everywhere else, even in the movie at some points, Huntr/x is the preferred stylization. ~2025-35354-56 (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- That is a gross misunderstanding of my post. When I said "almost evenly divided" I was talking about articles in Google Scholar (I'm not even sure that most of the sources in Google Scholar when you look up "Huntrix" or "Huntr/x" are even academic articles), NOT about overall sourcing. Please understand my posts before making a comment. Anyway, my post shows that more sources favor Huntrix over Huntr/x, with 11 for Huntr/x and 20 for Huntrix.--Historyday01 (talk) 13:18, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- According to your own post, "it's almost evenly divided"; and looking at the examples you've cited, it does not appear that reliable sources "favor 'Huntrix' over 'Huntr/x'". 162 etc. (talk) 00:18, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- I have to strongly disagree with this opinion, since reliable sources favor "Huntrix" over "Huntr/x". See my above comment. Also, using "Huntr/x" is bound to create various accessibility problems with slashes are used.Historyday01 (talk) 23:38, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
Character pages for main characters? (Rumi, Mira, Zoey)
Should they be made? ~2025-38348-05 (talk) 00:44, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Not unless independent, reliable sources that show significant coverage of the individual characters (Rumi, Mira, Zoey, etc.) pop up or are found (WP:N). Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 00:46, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- However, a draft about Huntrix as a whole is being developed. Link here: Draft:Huntrix. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 00:50, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- You are welcome to head on over to the draft and work on it. I'd also recommend taking a look at the talk page, which has a discussion about what to do before it gets published into mainspace, as well as a list of sources that can be used for further improvement. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 00:54, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
Hi 1isall; Just for format's sake, could you add the 'support' or 'oppose' langauge for this request?ErnestKrause (talk) 15:10, 4 December 2025 (UTC)- @ErnestKrause Sorry for the late reply, but I didn't understand your request at first. Does it relate to the section header thing mentioned by Sariel Xilo below? Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 19:49, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- You are welcome to head on over to the draft and work on it. I'd also recommend taking a look at the talk page, which has a discussion about what to do before it gets published into mainspace, as well as a list of sources that can be used for further improvement. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 00:54, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- However, a draft about Huntrix as a whole is being developed. Link here: Draft:Huntrix. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 00:50, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Previous discussion of this matter can be seen at Talk:KPop Demon Hunters/Archive 1#Character articles?; current consensus per that discussion is largely as stated above by 1isali. — Jamie Eilat (talk) 00:52, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Hi 1isall; Someone has reformatted the section breaks here, and I'll strike my previous comment and replace it with this one. I'm basically going with Jamie Eilat on this one; there is the sibling article currently in draft space if someone is interested in looking at it. ErnestKrause (talk) 19:59, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose (for now) due to SIZERULE grapesurgeon (talk) 16:52, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Grapesurgeon: looks like a TA merged these two discussions by removing the heading before you responded. Is your opposition about characters articles or an accolades article? Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:17, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Ahhhhh..... Should we resplit this discussion? TA shouldnt have done that. I was responding to the accolades post grapesurgeon (talk) 22:19, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- I split it back up; if you'd like to, you can just strike & move you comment to right section. Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:21, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'd be up for pages about Rumi and Jinu, since they have the most character development and maybe a separate page for the other characters. - Jasonbres (talk) 19:56, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'd strongly recommend that any specific discussion on the characters be included in the planned Huntrix article, at least while there is only one work about them. Maybe if we get multiple films and media with the three we can expand to individual character articles, but not now. Masem (t) 00:13, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
Misinformation - Astra Creative Awards
The winner for Best Original Song has not been revealed yet. Therefore Golden is still pending. The winner announcement has been moved to the date of the Astra Film Awards. ~2025-40594-45 (talk) 20:58, 13 December 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, what change do you suggest in the article, Temporary Account? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 21:01, 13 December 2025 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead & moved the Best Original Song award in the accolades table from the Astra Creative Arts Awards row down to the Astra Film Awards row, with the addition of some extra citation; these edits should be sufficient correction — Jamie Eilat (talk) 21:36, 13 December 2025 (UTC)