Talk:Katy Perry discography

Isn't it a reissue album? Why nobody put it into the Reissue section? GogoLion (talk) 06:03, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

1432 is just a deluxe version of 143. It is NOT a reissue. 143kittypurry (talk) 17:34, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I just want to make a consensus if it is okay to add the UK single sales figures from this reference: https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/katy-perrys-official-top-40-biggest-songs-ever-in-the-uk-revealed/ The sales figures in that source are called "chart units" and I am wondering if we can add them here in Katy's discography page. I've seen numerous discography pages that include chart units published by the Official Charts Company and consder them as sales figures. 143kittypurry (talk) 07:51, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

This user @Mirrored7 insists that the 12 million global pure sales of Teenage Dream include streaming units, despite the cited source stating "shifting 12 million copies worldwide." Since 2021, at least one source has confirmed that the album has sold 12 million pure copies worldwide, and none have indicated that this figure includes streaming units. If streaming units were included, the sales figure would be much higher than 12 million. A fact remains a fact, and unless there's solid evidence to support a different claim, we should accept it as is. Your personal disagreement doesn't change the reality of the numbers and the reliability of sources. Tagging @SNUGGUMS @Michael Igol to give their comment regarding this.

• Europe 2 (as of September 2021): https://www.europe2.fr/musique/europe-2-classics-california-gurls-de-katy-perry-est-une-ode-a-la-cote-ouest-des-etats-unis-54375.html
• Rock & Pop (as of June 2024): https://www.rockandpop.cl/2024/06/el-album-de-katy-perry-que-rompio-records-en-billboard-pero-no-gano-ningun-grammys/
• Business Insider España (as of March 2025): https://www.businessinsider.es/estilo-vida/conciertos-katy-perry-madrid-barcelona-cuanto-cuestan-entradas-donde-comprarlas-1446059
• The Recording Academy or GRAMMYS (as of August 2025): https://www.grammy.com/news/katy-perry-teenage-dream-album-influence-impact
• Billboard Italia: https://billboard.it/tag/katy-perry/

143kittypurry (talk) 00:39, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Your sources don't mention PURE sales figures either, so what is it? I'm even considering removing the worldwide sales figures from the table entirely, as there's no indication whether these are pure sales or units sold (i.e., sales that also include streams). Most pop artists haven't listed their WW figures either, as they are often inaccurate, inflated, and not supported by reliable sources. Business Insider and The Recording Academy don't have access to the actual worldwide sales figures and are very unreliable compared to Billboard or the IFPI. According to Billboard, TD sold around 3 million copies in the US. Where do the remaining 9 million come from? Last time I checked, TD's estimated worldwide sales at 6-8 million copies and Prism's at 4-5 million, which is more likely, but still not entirely credible, as these figures haven't been confirmed by any reliable source for years. Mirrored7 (talk) 01:05, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

The use of "copies" means pure sales unless a source indicates otherwise (e.g. goes with "units" or "across all platforms"). If we have quality refs providing these without inflations, then removing all WW figures would be going over-the-top. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:52, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

“Copies” can also mean units (the same Billboard uses the term with streaming included for an album's first week sales). That's my point, those are NOT quality refs. From where should The Recording Academy know the pure sales, unless her own label provides them with these units? And well all know, label tends to inflate numbers for image purposes. Most of the bigger pop artists from even the 1980s or 1990s (prob with much better refs) don't have the WW sales on their table. Not even an artist like Taylor Swift, who is known for being a juggernaut in pure sales in this time and age. I don't see why Perry's numbers should remain, when the numbers don't have anything reliable behind them. Mirrored7 (talk) 16:17, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

The terms "shifting copies" and "selling copies" mean the same thing. I suggest you check album articles to see how "copies sold" relates to actual physical or digital sales. You're suggesting something that isn't supported by the sources, which goes against the policy of WP:NOSYNTH. As for the "quality" of the sources, I don't believe the Recording Academy, the GRAMMYs, or any of the publications I listed would inflate Perry's numbers. They're reliable third-party sources. Even Billboard Italia confirms that Teenage Dream has sold 12 million copies, which is more than enough. 143kittypurry (talk) 16:27, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

You believe it, but are you sure? Do you really think that sources like Billboard Italia know the actual worldwide figures, or did they just rely on the Grammys' figures? Furthermore, the American Billboard never published these figures, which again confirms that you have no solid evidence to refute my claims. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:00, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Why would the American Billboard bother posting worldwide sales? If the Italian version did it, would it be less reliable? Think of that. Anyway, the consensus is against your bold assertions, so this discussion ends here. 143kittypurry (talk) 19:04, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Sales figures from IFPI only cover the specific year mentioned in their annual music report. After that, we don't receive updated numbers unless they are included in the next year's report (FYI, Teenage Dream was included in IFPI's top-selling albums lists from 2010 to 2012). Therefore, we turn to other reliable third-party sources for sales figures, and the ones I've mentioned above meet that criterion. Your personal opinions don't hold more weight than these trusted publications. The 6 million sales from 2013 are obviously outdated. There's a reliable source that reported 7 million sales as early as 2011, just a year after the album's release. Teenage Dream could not be called "the biggest era" for a female artist without strong commercial sales. Again, if streaming figures were included in those 12 million sales, the total would likely be much higher, given the album's popularity on platforms like YouTube and Spotify. 143kittypurry (talk) 09:24, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Please remember that original research is not allowed as per WP:NOSYNTH. Manually counting sales in the article to get a total is unacceptable. There are many countries not even listed so we rely on sales figures published by credible sources. 143kittypurry (talk) 09:29, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Those “third party sources” aren't as reliable, as they most likely could stem from her own label, which are known for inflating their artists numbers. Teenage Dream did NOT sell 7 million, by early 2011. Show my the “reliable” source that states that. By 2013, the numbers of the album were around 6 million. How it could sell another 6 million a decade latter, with pure sales going noticeably down by 2013? How did TD only sell 3 million copies in its strongest market. From where came the other 9 million? So many questions, and no answers, because it's obvious that the album hasn't sold 12 million to date. Mirrored7 (talk) 16:26, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Your opinion on the reliability of these third-party sources doesn't change the fact that these publications are already credible. Your personal views on facts do not really matter here. You can try to do more stretching, but the numbers don't lie. As for the claim of 7 million sales, the Regina Leader-Post, a Canadian newspaper, published an article in 2011 stating that it had sold 7 million copies worldwide by then. You can access this article on ProQuest. Look it up.

Wikipedia is not made to answer your questions. Try to go to the nearest local library or something. 143kittypurry (talk) 16:36, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Those sources are not credible because they are not from a reliable source. It is unknown from where the Grammys have those numbers, as they don't have access to her real numbers, the Grammys are NOT a Chart or Sales publication. I can't access, the source you posted, which you probably knew which again confirms that there are no RELIABLE sources for your claim. Mirrored7 (talk) 18:50, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

You don't get to decide which source is reliable or not. These sources are accepted on Wikipedia whether you like it or not. Also, it's not my fault you don't have access to ProQuest. Too bad because they have plenty of sources there. 🤪 143kittypurry (talk) 18:54, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

As it's previously been pointed out to you, there are already multiple credible sources supporting that Teenage Dream has sold 12 million pure copies worldwide, so I don't see why you keep insisting the opposite. Teenage Dream is certified Diamond in the U.S. and this means it sold more than 10M adjusted units in one country alone, proving that the total adjusted sales (stream included) would be much higher than 12 million. Michael Igol (talk) 10:48, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

I will exit the conversation now, as I don't like talk to a brick wall, and a certain one clearly doesn't want to listen. The Recording Academy is NOT a reliable source for either charts or sales. Period.

@SNUGGUMS I would appreciate it if you could look into it a bit more. I have nothing against Perry. Those worldwide numbers for “Teenage Dream” and “Prism” seems just suspicious to me. As I said, there is no source that reports charts or sale, who confirmed those numbers. That's all. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:12, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

The only brick wall here is you and your personal opinion. I've presented multiple sources, yet you continue to dismiss them because you personally disagree with the fact that the album has sold 12 million copies worldwide. I do not see you making constructive edits on Perry's articles, and your history of downplaying her commercial success in our previous encounters suggests something. 143kittypurry (talk) 19:19, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

From what I can tell, any pre-2014 article talking about copies sold means pure sales with or without inflation; 2014 seems to be when streaming equivalent units first got tracked for charts (at least with albums). Certifications prior to 2013 might help with calculating some non-streaming figures, but either way are just for individual nations and still don't give a global count on their own. As for Billboard articles, all pages I found from them talking about numbers with streams would say things along the lines of "combined units" or "streaming equivalent units" with copies being given as a separate figure. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 20:20, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Is InfoDisc reliable source (reference 28, 42, 90, 96, 104, 105, 120)? Beside this reference 76 is just screenshot of mail by Dominic Durand from InfoDisc. Eurohunter (talk) 22:48, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

InfoDisc is used as a source for French sales and certifications for various albums and singles here on Wikipedia, having their own archive for these data. Regarding the screenshot, Dominic is one of the two authors/operators of InfoDisc. I personally contacted him a year ago to get those sales data that are not publicly available on their website. 143kittypurry (talk) 00:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)