Talk:Leon Mandelshtam/GA1

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Nominator: Bgrus22 (talk · contribs) 19:17, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: Jaguarnik (talk · contribs) 20:33, 3 July 2026 (UTC)


Will be reviewing this article in the coming days. Jaguarnik (talk) 20:33, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello @Jaguarnik
Nice to meet you! I am not certain whats the ideal way to be responding to this so I will try to address everything here. I did not realize I should be focused on the other language pages. The siblings I was aware of but I think they were difficult to find sources on to the same extent, plus as you noted I was off site for a bit. Every source I put in I looked into to ensure they were referring to the subject matter.
I still need to read though the writing comments, but yeah I can overlink sometimes. I always treat new sections as if they need to be relinked to topics since someone reading may be only reading that subsection. I hadn't thought to define maskil since we have a link to it, I had always assumed the links definition covers me for those kinds of jargon. I will keep in mind not to over link and be on the look out for jargon that could be foreign to the reader. The Polish Uprising is the language used in the source, I couldnt Identify which particular one other than some uprising seems to have occurred around the time. I linked something to Myanmar?? I found citations that claim both ways on his being the first vs one of the first, I figured it was better to use more inclusive language. To explain the orthodox response in eastern europe would require original research fusing what he wrote with what contemporaries felt about such writings without seeing them speak about that work in particular. Bgrus22 (talk) 02:28, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
Hello @Bgrus22: thank you for responding, it is nice to see you editing again! I was just wondering if you will need extra time to work on the article?
I think if you have citations that claim first and others that claim one of the first, it's better to just go with "one of the first".Jaguarnik (talk) 15:33, 12 July 2026 (UTC)
Hello @Jaguarnik
I'd say the majority seem to refer to him as the first, but I have no issue with saying he was one of the first instead. What extra time would I need for it? I thought you already pointed out where grammar could be improved and I have addressed the non-stylistic issues. Bgrus22 (talk) 02:05, 13 July 2026 (UTC)
To pass a good article, improvements must be made to the article. Otherwise the article has to be failed. The good article reviewer cannot make these edits themselves. It's been a while since I opened the review and no edits have been made since then. Jaguarnik (talk) 02:19, 13 July 2026 (UTC)
Hello again,
It is now the end of July. I cannot hold a review open indefinitely. Regretfully, I have to fail this article due to the issues with this article which have not been fixed. I appreciate you commenting on the non-stylistic issues but to succeed with a Good Article nomination, edits have to be made to the article to address grammar and WP:MOS issues. There was also text in the article which did not match the text from the source, as I have commented below. Once these issues are fixed, I encourage you to nominate this article again. I wish you success in your future Good Article nominations.
Jaguarnik (talk) 17:52, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this article based on the good article criteria as laid out in WP:GACR6. Because the nominator has not edited in some time, I will leave the review open to the end of July for comments to be addressed.

First looking at the prose.

Well Written

Stylistic comments

Two general notes:

  • You may be interested in WP:INTOTHEWOULDS, which details when and how to use "would". It is overused in the article and often used incorrectly. For instance, *At the age of sixteen, he began to study the Russian language in depth and began writing not only prose but also poetry, he would eventually write a small book of these early poems which he kept with him. Better He wrote a small book of these early poems, which he kept with him. Just about every instance of "would" in the article could be replaced with basic past tense.
  • Avoid overlinking. Please look at MOS:OVERLINK carefully - "Examples of overlinking include: Everyday words (e.g., education, violence, aircraft, river, animation)...Common occupations (e.g., accountant, politician, actor) should not be linked. Major examples of the following categories should generally not be linked: Countries, Languages, Nationalities, ethnicities or identities, Religions."
    • After the first linkings of Max Lilienthal or Ministry of Public Education, they do not need to be linked again.
    • Jewish, if it must be linked (and I don't feel that it needs to be) should be linked ONCE. Russian, German, Hebrew, French, etc do not need to be linked.
    • Russian Empire, United States, Germany, Europe, etc do not need to be linked.
    • Textbooks, dictionaries, translations, prose, backwardness, abridged, etc do not need to be linked. University entrance exams does not need to be linked, and it links to the Myanmar entrance exams for whatever reason...
    • What COULD be wikilinked though, is the recent Polish Uprising. What uprising was it? Was it the November Uprising?
    • Jewish cemetery does not need to be linked. If necessary, a Template:ill link can be added like so: Preobrazhenskoye Jewish Cemetery [ru]

Specific comments:

  • New comment: Article needs a short description.
  • Maskil is not evident for the reader. It should be either "writer and translator", as it is in the infobox, (even "scholar" would be acceptable). Alternatively, Maskil could defined for the reader, either in parentheses or a footnote, something like "A follower of the Jewish Enlightenment movement" or "A self-taught Hebrew scholar and follower of the Haskalah movement" (if I have understood correctly the definition of Maskil? I take the definition from the Jewish Encyclopedia.)
  • Mandelshtam was born in 1819 in the town of New Zhagory, Vilna province to a Jewish family, a distant cousin to Osip Mandelshtam. Divide into two sentences and clarify who is Osip Mandelshtam for the reader a Jewish family. He was a distant cousin to the poet Osip Mandelshtam. Also, wikilink New Zhagory to Žagarė.
  • New comment: reader of Ha-Masseaf I don't understand what is meant here.
  • Lead claims he was the first to translate the Torah into Russian. However, the "Written works" section claims he was "possibly the first". So was he the first or one of the first?
  • In that same year, Mandelshtam would go out to Minsk and meet with a prominent Orthodox Jewish cantor, Sender Poliachek. He and the cantor would begin arguing about the benefits and costs of assimilation. This is never really brought up again. Why is it important? Did Poliachek influence his views in any way?
  • Briefly explain who the Tsemah Tzedek is — I would phrase it as the Tsemah Tzedek, the then-leader of the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidic movement, wrote to Mandelshtam
  • In order to preserve some sense of traditions some concessions were given. What kind of concessions? This needs elaboration.
  • The Tsemah Tzedek would start a new campaign, petitioning Mandelshtam and another maskil, Moses Berlin, to preserve traditional perspectives in the government schools. His work would see Mandelshtam face heavy backlash from the Jewish community who accused him of not keeping fast days or praying regularly. The second sentence is phrased in such a way that it sounds as if the Tsemah Tzedek caused Mandelshtam to be criticized by the community. That can't be right.
  • He left the Russian Empire for a brief period in 1865, opting to move to Germany, during which time he published his translation in Berlin. This translation was met with steep pushback from Orthodox Jewish rabbis. Why? What exactly did they criticize?

Grammar, spelling

  • sending out requests from the Russian government to attend university Shouldn't it be to the Russian government?
  • Lilienthal, who had just left to the United States. Either left for or emigrated to.
  • demanding that the new government schools should teach Jewish subjects remove "should"
  • Once he was noticed as missing the janitor of the building he was living was contacted and the effects of the body were used to identify his corpse. comma after missing, more importantly the janitor of the building in which he was living
  • On September 6 Mandelshtam was exumed exhumed
  • Mandelshtam works Mandelshtam's works
  • While working for the Russian Ministry of Public Education in the 1840's without apostrophe: 1840s
  • a abridged version was released in 1872 an abridged version

Verifiable with no original research

Spotcheck of random passages/sources.

Mandelshtam was born in 1819 in the town of New Zhagory, Vilna province to a Jewish family, a distant cousin to Osip Mandelshtam.[1][2] Verified

This would make him the first Jew to graduate from a Russian university.[2][10] Verified, although I'm a bit surprised at the source being the Cambridge Companion to Jewish Music.

In 1857, he left his position with the Ministry of Public Education and would begin a series of numerous trips to Europe.[17] The first part is in the source but the second part is not, as far as I can see. The source says "В 1857 г. Мандельштам оставил службу в Министерстве просвещения. Продолжительное время жил за границей" Which translates as "In 1857 he left service with the Ministry of National Education and for a prolonged time lived abroad" which does not sound at all like he took trips abroad, more that he went abroad and stayed.

In the last years of his life Mandelshtam found himself bankrupt from his self publications and impoverished, with little notoriety.[17] Verified

On September 6 Mandelshtam was exumed and reburied in Preobrazhenskoye Jewish Cemetery.[19] Verified

His first publication was a collection of his poems that were compiled in 1840 and approved by the censors for publishing in June 1841, notably being the first collection of Russian poetry written by a Jewish author.[3] Verified

Mandelshtam would also become the first writer to translate Pushkin to Hebrew.[19] Verified

Broad

Sources seem to more or less cover the information (I haven't looked at all of them yet), however I was wondering if you've looked at these sources:

Sources

Formatting

  • All authors should be written with Latin letters; titles should be translated using the trans-title parameter.
  • Редакция. "Мандельштам Леон". Электронная еврейская энциклопедия ОРТ (in Russian). Retrieved 2025-11-18. Редакция is not an author. Needs to be removed.

Neutral

Article is written in a neutral manner.

Stable

There are no edit wars or content disputes.

Illustrated

There is one image of Mandelshtam that appears to be in public domain.

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