Talk:MathWorks/Archive 1

Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. See below for a description of changes.

Hi, I work for a communications firm that represents MathWorks. I'd like to suggest some updates to this article:

• Lead:
  • Update over 3,600 people worldwide with 70% to over 3,600 people in 16 countries,[1] with 70%

Not done, as this is not in the citation given. The corporate webpage you indicate does not give the total number of your client's employees. Altamel (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

The source was just for the 16 countries, but you're right that the 3,600 was unsourced. This is a source for 3,500: ^[2] Mary Gaulke (talk) 17:14, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• • Add to end of lead to reflect expanded Products section below: Mathworks' primary products, MATLAB and Simulink, support data analysis and simulation in sectors including aerospace and automotive.

Partly done Altamel (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Expand Products section:

MATLAB is a programming environment for algorithm development, data analysis, visualization, and numeric computation.[3] Simulink is a graphical environment for simulation and Model-Based Design of multidomain dynamic and embedded systems.[4] MATLAB and Simulink are used in aerospace, automotive, software and other fields.[2]

The company produces nearly 100 additional products,[5] including Polyspace,[6] SimEvents, Stateflow and Simulink Real-Time (formerly xPC Target).[7]

This wording is rather similar to your client's "About us" page, and I would rather not mimic it. To stay on the safe side, can you rephrase? Altamel (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Sure—how does this look?

MATLAB provides an environment for programmers to analyze and visualize data and develop algorithms. Simulink is a graphical and simulation environment for Model-Based Design of dynamic systems.[8][9] MATLAB and Simulink are used in aerospace, automotive, software and other fields.[2]

The company also produces nearly 100 other products,[10] including Polyspace,[11] SimEvents, Stateflow and Simulink Real-Time (formerly xPC Target).[12]

Mary Gaulke (talk) 17:14, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Add subsections to "Corporate affairs" section:

• ===Workplace===

MathWorks appeared on Glassdoor’s list of Best Places to Work in 2014,[13] 2015[14] and 2017.[15] Forbes has also named the company one of America’s best midsize employers.[16] In 2016, employees ranked CEO Jack Little as the 15th highest-rated CEO of a large company on Glassdoor.[17][18]

Glassdoor rankings are user generated. As such, they are vulnerable to sampling bias and a whole host of other problems; other editors I know are also doubtful about Glassdoor, see Talk:Bill McDermott for their reasoning. I am skeptical of the Forbes rating for this reason: what does it mean to Forbes for a company to be a good employer? There's no methodology given in the article you cited at all. It doesn't seem right to present this ranking to our readers without the necessary context. Altamel (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Understood. That's very helpful, and I'll keep it in mind in the future. Mary Gaulke (talk) 17:14, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• ===Community===

MathWorks hosts MATLAB Central, an online exchange where users ask and answer questions and share code. MATLAB Central currently houses more than 145,000 questions in its MATLAB Answers database.[19]

 Done, this paragraph is well written and says exactly what the database does. Altamel (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• "Social responsibility" section:

• Add source for EcoCAR sentence: ^[20]

 Done Altamel (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Update MathWorks sponsors museums and science learning centers such as the Boston Museum of Science (since 1991)[21] and the Cambridge Science Center in the United Kingdom.[22] to MathWorks sponsors museums and science learning centers such as the Boston Museum of Science (since 1991),[23] the Cambridge Science Center in the United Kingdom,[24] and London's Science Museum.[25]

 Done Altamel (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Add: The company has partnerships with numerous academic institutions, including MIT Open Courseware and MITx, to advance STEM education.[26] It also supports i2 Learning’s Boston STEM Week.[27]

Just stating that MathWorks partners with or supports an institution is rather vague. I would be more concrete about the extent of MathWork's involvement, but not so excessively detailed as to make too much of the article about MathWork's outreach. Altamel (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Got it. Revised: The company supports numerous academic institutions to advance STEM education, including providing millions in funding to MIT Open Courseware and MITx.[28] It also hosts and sponsors i2 Learning’s Boston STEM Week.[29] Mary Gaulke (talk) 17:14, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Due to my COI, I won't be editing the article directly, and I'd appreciate any help or feedback. Thank you! Mary Gaulke (talk) 20:52, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi MaryGaulke. Thanks for your suggestions. I have posted some and declined the ones I felt either needed revisions or would not strengthen the article. Altamel (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback, Altamel. I've replied and included some additional information inline above. Appreciate your time! Mary Gaulke (talk) 17:14, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@Jytdog: Hi! I saw you added a few cn tags to the article, so I took a stab at digging up sources: for the founding (although it only mentions California, not Portola Valley specifically),^[1] for MuPAD replacing Maple,^[2][3] and for the Steepest Ascent acquisition.^[4] Hopefully we can keep moving things forward. Thank you for your time. Mary Gaulke (talk) 02:14, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

In the interests of transparency, noting here that I have left David_Eppstein a message on their Talk page regarding their decision to close the request edit template above. Thank you. Mary Gaulke (talk) 00:44, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, collecting the remaining outstanding requests below for clarity:

• In lead, update over 3,600 people worldwide with 70% to over 3,500 people[1] in 16 countries,[2] with 70%
• Expand Products section:

MATLAB provides an environment for programmers to analyze and visualize data and develop algorithms. Simulink is a graphical and simulation environment for Model-Based Design of dynamic systems.[3][4] MATLAB and Simulink are used in aerospace, automotive, software and other fields.[1]

The company also produces nearly 100 other products,[5] including Polyspace,[6] SimEvents, Stateflow and Simulink Real-Time (formerly xPC Target).[7]

• Add to "Social responsibility" section:

The company supports numerous academic institutions to advance STEM education, including providing millions in funding to MIT Open Courseware and MITx.[8] It also hosts and sponsors i2 Learning’s Boston STEM Week.[9]

• Sources for items marked with "citation needed": for the founding (although it only mentions California, not Portola Valley specifically),^[10] for MuPAD replacing Maple,^[11][12] and for the Steepest Ascent acquisition.^[13]

Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 20:37, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Partially implemented Request No. 1 was approved. Requests No. 2 and No. 3 were declined. The instructions accompanying Request No. 4 are unreadable (i.e., "For the founding for MuPAD replacing Maple for the Steepest Ascent acquisition." Kindly delineate in complete sentences what is to be either removed, replaced or added to the article.

For example:

• Request No.1: For CITATION NEEDED inline tag No. 2, located after the sentence "She went to the store", please add the following citation ____.
• Request No.2: For CITATION NEEDED inline tag No. 3, located after the sentence "She then ate dinner", please add the following citation ____.

Please advise.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  10:48, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Spintendo: I don't see where requests 2 and 3 were explicitly declined. To me they just appear as if they were not acted upon. Do you have objections to either of them? I would reword request 3 but I don't see any other issues.

@MaryGaulke: I would reword the "Social Responsibility" request to something more neutral: The company supports numerous academic institutions to advance STEM education, including funding to MIT Open Courseware and MITx.

--Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:52, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@Spintendo: Reformatted:

For CITATION NEEDED inline tag after the sentence "MathWorks was founded in Portola Valley, California, by Jack Little (President & CEO), Cleve Moler (Chief Mathematician), and Steve Bangert on December 7, 1984.", please add the following citation: <ref>{{cite news|last1=Moler|first1=Cleve|title=The Origins of MATLAB|url=https://www.mathworks.com/company/newsletters/articles/the-origins-of-matlab.html|accessdate=25 September 2017|work=MathWorks|date=2004}}</ref>

For CITATION NEEDED inline tag after "started including MuPAD in their Symbolic Math Toolbox, replacing the existing Maple engine.", please add the following citations: <ref>{{cite news|title=Is it possible to use Maple functions using the Symbolic Math Toolbox in MATLAB 7.7 (R2008b)?|url=https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/94009-is-it-possible-to-use-maple-functions-using-the-symbolic-math-toolbox-in-matlab-7-7-r2008b?|accessdate=25 September 2017|work=MATLAB Answers|publisher=MathWorks|date=14 September 2012}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last1=Love|first1=Tim|title=Matlab - the Symbolic Toolbox based on Maple|url=http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/programs/Matlab/maplesymbolic.html|website=University of Cambridge Department of Engineering|accessdate=25 September 2017}}</ref>

For CITATION NEEDED inline tag after "In 2013, MathWorks acquired Steepest Ascent, makers of LTE Toolbox.", please add the following citation: <ref>{{cite web|title=MathWorks (Steepest Ascent Ltd)|url=http://www.cambridgewireless.co.uk/directory/orgprofile/default.aspx?objid=39558|website=Cambridge Wireless|accessdate=25 September 2017}}</ref>

Apologies for the previous more informal formatting; this request was in response to an ongoing dialogue with another editor, so originally more context was provided.

@Drm310: Thank you for taking a look and offering feedback. That new wording looks great to me. Added the sources back in to have all the info in one place: The company supports numerous academic institutions to advance STEM education, including funding to MIT Open Courseware and MITx.[1][2]

Mary Gaulke (talk) 00:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

@MaryGaulke: I see that the template is closed, but I wanted to make sure there were no open requests still pending. Please advise. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 08:22, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

@Spintendo: Thanks for checking! The requests from my previous post immediately above are outstanding: replacing three "citation needed" tags with sources, and adding one sentence to the "Social responsibility" section, with wording revised per Drm310's guidance. Mary Gaulke (talk) 19:10, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented Spintendo ᔦᔭ 21:08, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

@Spintendo: Hi! I apologize, but I've just realized one other item is still outstanding from my previous request: adding a Products section per the below:

==Products==

MATLAB provides an environment for programmers to analyze and visualize data and develop algorithms. Simulink is a graphical and simulation environment for Model-Based Design of dynamic systems.[1][2] MATLAB and Simulink are used in aerospace, automotive, software and other fields.[3]

The company also produces nearly 100 other products,[4] including Polyspace,[5] SimEvents, Stateflow and Simulink Real-Time (formerly xPC Target).[6]

This would be to replace a previous, very basic Products section that was deleted from the article. Would you be up for taking a look at this?

Also, with the "Social responsibility" section shortened to one sentence, wondering if we should combine it with the "Sponsorships" section to make a new "Sponsorships and social responsibility" section. What do you think?

Thanks again. Mary Gaulke (talk) 20:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

I removed some of the details of the company's history of takeovers, moves of office and so forth as WP:UNDUE, and similar material was recently restored by a company employee. Per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guidelines, it is preferable that such material be discussed here first. Deltahedron (talk) 18:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Would it be possible to update the number of people and offices, and correct inaccuracy on % of people outside the US? Updated version should read: As of September 2018, it employed over 3,500 4,000 people over 16 offices (40). worldwide, with 70% located at the company's headquarters in Natick, Massachusetts,30% located outside the United States. (Reference: https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/20180903/mathworks-expansion-erases-carling-brewery-building-in-natick) Skmathworks (talk) 17:51, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I work for MathWorks. and like to suggest some updates to this article. These are included below with references cited for each:

• Lead:
  • Update over 4,000 people worldwide over 16 offices worldwide World ,^[1].

• • Correct inaccuracy: with 30% located outside the United States, ^[2]

• History:
  • Update the Apple Hill Campus, in Natick in July 1999.

• • Update/add: In 2018, MathWorks expanded its presence in Massachusetts with the opening of its new Lakeside Campus. With the two properties, MathWorks now has about 1.2 million square feet of office space in Natick. ^[3].

MathWorks products are available in over 180 countries. ^[4].

• Add Offices section:

• • Add: MathWorks corporate headquarters, known as the Apple Hill campus, is located at 1 Apple Hill Drive in Natick, Massachusetts. MathWorks initially purchased two buildings in the Apple Hill Drive complex. In July 2008, the company received approval from Natick officials to build an additional 150,000-square-foot office building on the Apple Hill Drive complex. In December 2009, the company closed on the purchase of a 170,000-square-foot building from Atlantic Philadelphia Realty for $30.8 million. ^[5] The overall campus now spans 4 buildings covering 675,000 square feet on 35 acres of land.

• • Add: In 2018, MathWorks is nearly doubling its office space in Natick with the opening of its new Lakeside campus. The new 513,000 square-foot complex is set on 31 acres of land where Boston Scientific’s old headquarters once stood. ^[6].
  • Add: In addition to its presence in Natick, the company has locations in Australia, China, Finland, France, Germany, India, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Scotland, South Korea, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and, in the United States, in Torrance, Calif. and Novi, Mich. ^[7].

• Community:

• • Create subsegment for clarity: Student Competitions

The company annually sponsors a number of student engineering competitions, including EcoCAR, an advanced vehicle technology competition created by the United States Department of Energy (DOE) and General Motors (GM).[25]

• • Create subsegment for clarity: Corporate Philanthropy

MathWorks sponsors museums and science learning centers such as the Boston Museum of Science (since 1991), including a $10m donation in 2017,[26], ^[8], the Boston's Children Museum, the New England Aquarium[27], and the mathematics exhibit at London's Science Museum.[28] MathWorks also partners with several online education resources, such as MIT Open CourseWare and the Japan Massive Open Online Courses[27]. It also is a supporter of public broadcasting, including National Public Radio (NPR)'s Here and Now program.[29] In 2018, the company also gifted $3m to the humanitarian organization CARE, building on the over $6m raised since 2005. ^[9].

• • Create subsegment for clarity: User Community

(Existing MATLAB Central content)

Thanks,

--Skmathworks (talk) 18:34, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Please see your talk page. Jytdog (talk) 14:08, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Jytdog! Any chance you'll be able to review the proposed updates - the edits are all supported by third-party references, news sources in most cases. Skmathworks (talk) 18:12, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

You don't know me from Adam, but i have no tolerance for bullshit. "the edits are all supported by third-party references" is pure, disgusting bullshit. I am not going to help you and I doubt anyone will. Who wants to spend their volunteer time dealing with bullshit? Jytdog (talk) 18:27, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined.

Hi, I’m resubmitting a couple of the edits for consideration. I’m trying to do the right thing by going through the Talk page for these COI edits.

Jytdog, I realize you may not want to review this again, which is very fair.

• In the lead:
  • Update: As of September 2018, it employed over 4,000 people over 16 offices worldwide.^[1]
  • Correct inaccuracy: with 30% located outside the United States, ^[2]

--Thanks Skmathworks (talk) 19:08, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

superceded by edits. Jytdog (talk) 21:15, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I work for a communications firm that represents MathWorks. I haven't been involved in this article in a while, but today I'm hoping to add some references to the second paragraph of the History section, which is under-sourced. I've drafted a new version of the paragraph below, with changes highlighted/struck through. The 1997 Boston Globe article originally cited isn't available anywhere online anymore (including through archives and subscription services), so I had to modify the text slightly to reflect what I could find in other sources.

Little and Steve Bangert rewrote the code for MATLAB while they were colleagues at an engineering firm, and eventually were fired for spending too much time on it in C. They founded MathWorks along with Moler in 1984,[1] with Little running it out of his house in Portola Valley, California.[2] Little would mail diskettes in baggies (food storage bags) to the first customers. The company sold its first order, 10 copies of MATLAB, for $500 to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in February 1985.[3] As business picked up, A few years later, Little and the company moved to Massachusetts, and Little hired Jeanne O'Keefe, an experienced computer executive, to help formalize the business.[2][4] In 1992, Little was named Emerging Entrepreneur of the Year in New England by Ernst & Young.[5] By 1997, MathWorks was profitable, claiming revenue of around $50 million, and had around 380 employees.[5]

Due to my COI, I won't be editing the article directly. I appreciate any help or feedback. Thank you! Mary Gaulke (talk) 19:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

@MaryGaulke: Would the Boston Globe article be this one: ? If so, feel free to rework your proposal given the source being accessible. On a side note, information should not be removed just because the source is no longer accessible online (WP:DEADREF). Feel free to ping me once you are done. Regards SoWhy 14:16, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Whoa, thank you! I'll revise and ping you when I'm done. Deleting the edit request template while I update. Mary Gaulke (talk) 23:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@SoWhy: Revised proposal below. Thanks again for retrieving a copy of the article! Mary Gaulke (talk) 23:25, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Little and Steve Bangert rewrote the code for MATLAB in C while they were colleagues at an engineering firm, and eventually were fired for spending too much time on it.[1][2] They founded MathWorks along with Moler in 1984,[2] with Little running it out of his house in Portola Valley, California.[3] Little would mail diskettes in baggies (food storage bags) to the first customers.[4] The company sold its first order, 10 copies of MATLAB, for $500 to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in February 1985.[5] As business picked up, A few years later, Little and the company moved to Massachusetts,[3][6] and Little hired Jeanne O'Keefe, an experienced computer executive, to help formalize the business.[1] In 1992, Little was named Emerging Entrepreneur of the Year in New England by Ernst & Young.[1] By 1997, MathWorks was profitable, claiming revenue of around $50 million, and had around 380 employees.[1]

Looks good basically but I cannot find "in C" in the Boston Globe article which only says they rewrote it "for PCs". Since C is afaik not the only language for that, how about "rewrote MatLab's original Fortran code for PCs"? Regards SoWhy 10:01, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

@SoWhy: Oh, apologies! C is mentioned in the next source, and I neglected to duplicate the ref. Done now. Mary Gaulke (talk) 14:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

@MaryGaulke:  Done. Regards SoWhy 15:32, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

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I work for MathWorks and would like to ask an independent editor to update Jack Little’s title from CEO and president to CEO and cofounder. This update is reflected on MathWorks Founders page. Pinging marygaulke who has shown an interest in this page before. BlueAmatero (talk) 15:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi again. Following up on this request. It looks like @Jorge Stolfi updated John N. Little's title to co-founder on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_N._Little Can this be made to the MathWorks page: MathWorks

Here's a reference to his official title at MathWorks: https://www.mathworks.com/company/aboutus/founders/jacklittle.html?s_tid=srchtitle_jack%20little_1 Pinging @Marygaulke who shown interest in this page before.

Thanks,

@BlueAmatero BlueAmatero (talk) 15:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)