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Merch chart in Merch section

Minecraft merchandise sales in millions U.S dollars

Can this be included in the Merch section? The Data is from the highest-grossing media franchise article.Timur9008 (talk) 7:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 June 2020

If you don't sleep for three days straight in Minecraft survival mode phantoms will become more active. 2600:6C56:6200:4E38:7894:C74B:783B:C34E (talk) 13:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 June 2020

Lena Raine is also now noted as a composer for Minecraft 88.110.232.24 (talk) 22:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Already done: see §Music. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 23:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 June 2020

Ok, so minecraft had a new nether update. They added new biomes, blah blah blah. But in this update they also made new music for each biome, and the composer is Lena Raine instead of C418 Again, the update is only in pre release, but in the next two weeks it will probably release. So, under C418 you could put Lena Raine Echodxwn (talk) 04:32, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

 Already done : As above. See here Jack Frost (talk) 08:52, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 June 2020

Can someone change the release date from 18 November 2011 to 17 May 2009 because that date is when the game was first released to public. Thanks 92.11.154.229 (talk) 05:31, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: The release dates used on Wikipedia are the full/official release dates, not the earlier alpha/beta releases. —  HELLKNOWZ   TALK 09:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 June 2020

In Minecraft#MINECON , please add this line --> In MineCon Live 2019, Mojang announced that Minecraft Festival would be an in-person event being held from Sept 25-27th, 2020 iin Orlando, Florida, before being postponed to 2021 due to coronavirus fears. the ultraUsurper (talk) 03:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

To editor ­the ultraUsurper:  done. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 10:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 June 2020

Please add

to the top of the article the ultraUsurper (talk) 09:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Without any explanation of what could or should be reduced. -- ferret (talk) 11:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Hardcore

Hardcore not available for bedrock without mods, only java. 80.62.116.187 (talk) 09:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 June 2020

Add "Lena Raine" to list of composers 2001:56A:707C:2700:453E:C24D:9EAD:B2DE (talk) 18:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Raine is already listed as a footnote in the article. Namcokid47 (Contribs) 18:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 Already done Lena Raine is listed in the Music section as a contributor. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Respawn Anchor needs better source

If Respawn Anchor needs a better source, try looking in minecraft.gamepedia.com. It's official Minecraft Wiki. Just find "Respawn Anchor" page. They put a lot of effort into those pages. I hope you would fix the page. Munastronaut (talk) 13:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikis are not reliable sources for use on Wikipedia. See WP:USERG. -- ferret (talk) 14:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Multiple spelling mistakes

There are multiple spelling mistakes in the first paragraph of the "Development" section. I can't edit it due to not having extended confirmed user status. Can someone please correct these mistakes? Feggart (talk) 09:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Feggart:  Done -- Jack Frost (talk) 13:10, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Can you also fix where it says "RubeDung" the second time RubyDung is mentioned? The correct name is RubyDung as referenced here https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/RubyDung Feggart (talk) 13:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 Done -- Namcokid47 (Contribs) 15:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding Lena Raine to the Infobox

Adding Lena Raine to the actual composers list (currently she is only in the references section) since she now has composed 4 pieces for the Minecraft OST and is officialy an independent composer for Minecraft. Changes:

Quick facts Minecraft, Developer ...
Minecraft
DeveloperMojang Studios
PublishersMojang Studios, Microsoft Studios, Sony Interactive Entertainement
DesignersMarkus Persson, Jens Bergensten
ArtistsMarkus Toivonen, Jasper Boerstra
ComposerC418, Lena Raine
PlatformsWindows, OS X, Linux
Release18 November 2011
GenresSandbox, survival
ModesSingle-player, multiplayer
Close

Changes are on the "composer" line of the Infobox Rômulo aka Leony HD (talk) 11:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ~ Amkgp 💬 11:57, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Sources:

1-According to Minecraft Official Wiki Mojang has a contract with Lena Raine

2- According to the official Minecraft article "The Sound of Scary" (https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/the-sound-scary) Lena Raine is the composer of the new tracks in the Nether Update

3- According to Lena Raine's official website the Nether Update tracks are in her list of compositions.

4- According to Minecraft official Wiki Lena Raine is the official producer of the new Nether Update tracks, adding to the Minecraft OST.

5-According to Wikipedia article "Lena Raine" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lena_Raine) she is the official composer of the new tracks in Minecraft's Nether Update

6- According to Minecraft's various posts from different social medias mentioning Lena Raine

7- According to the Official Minecraft article on snapshot 20w15a (https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-20w15a) Lena Raine is the composer of the new OST tracks. PS.: The official 1.16 version is out and Lena Raine's tracks are a solid addition to Minecraft.

- Sources provided --Leony_HD Rômulo aka Leony HD (talk) 12:55, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Lena's contributions are already covered in the article prose, but the infobox states that the composer field (as well as writer, designer, etc) should only include lead roles. Lena is not credited in Minecraft as "lead composer" to my knowledge. In addition, there's already a note on the field that mentions Lena's contributions. -- ferret (talk) 15:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, yes Lena Raine really isn't credited as lead composer --Rômulo aka Leony HD (talk) 13:19, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 July 2020

Please add the first, and the latest stable Minecraft version and the latest snapshot to the infobox. The latest stable version is 1.16.1 and the latest snapshot is 20w27a. Writing the first/latest versions in the infobox is used on many software with versions, including Nintendo Switch system software as an example. EDIT to the decline reason: It's a lie that infoboxes don't support versions. I have seen version numbers written in infoboxes on various Wikipedia pages; see above for an example. Please provide a further clarification if you want to decline my request.176.222.226.5 (talk) 17:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: The infobox does not support version fields. -- ferret (talk) 18:32, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
As he said, the infobox does not support version fields, meaning that if you enter them, they simply do not appear. The Nintendo switch software article uses a different one meant for operating systems - Note how the one it uses starts with "{{Infobox OS", whereas the one used on the Minecraft article starts with "{{Infobox video game". Version/release fields work on the OS one, but they don't on the video game one. Eik Corell (talk) 13:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Xbox Series X

Minecraft is said to be available on Xbox Series X. However it is a test demo, so I went here to not take any risks. Does anyone think the Xbox Series X can be added to the infobox? Here are some links for reference: GeraldWL 07:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 July 2020

Minecraft is NOT free it cost $7 on a moblie divice on pc or a desktop it can cost $0 - $30 104.172.44.165 (talk) 23:44, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: It's unclear what you're referring to, as the article never claims Minecraft is free. There are certain versions that are free to play, and it denotes this, but never claims the game is free on all platforms. -- ferret (talk) 23:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Classic distinction

In the "Personal computer versions" section, Minecraft Classic is treated as its own "version", even though it just refers to older versions of the Java Edition (so if we list Classic we should also list Indev, Indev, Alpha, and Beta). Additionally, the section does not differentiate between the OG Classic and the Classic recreation made for the 10 year anniversary. For instance, Minecraft Classic is an older version of Minecraft that was first available online and can also be played through the game's launcher refers the original but is referenced to the recreation.  Nixinova T  C   04:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Minecraft Franchise/Series Page

Since Minecraft now has multiple spin off games (Minecraft, Minecraft Story Mode Seasons 1 and 2, Minecraft Dungeons, Minecraft Earth, Minecraft: Education Edition plus all the other Minecraft versions like Minecraft China and Minecraft Classic) is it worth making a Minecraft (Series) page? It's becoming more like a franchise now rather than a collection of games. Plus with all the offical spin-off books and the movie (see this) it's becoming more multimedia. Any thoughts?  Preceding unsigned comment added by Squid45 (talkcontribs) 15:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

  • Squid45, while it is a franchise, some of your listed examples are regional/special editions of the base game and don't really contribute towards the guidelines for establishing a series page (which is three distinct games). That being said, several things from this page would look better on a series article (most the legacy stuff such as Minecon and merch), which would also help to declutter this page. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
    • "three distinct games": Minecraft, Story Mode, Earth, and Dungeons; thats four.  Nixinova T  C   06:15, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
      I never disagreed with that point but rather the inclusion of all those other editions as "games" on such a page. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • General support for the idea, but unsure the Franchise holds enough weight to displace the game for primary topic. I'd recommend starting with a draft, such as Draft:Minecraft (franchise). -- ferret (talk) 19:14, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

3D bar graph - Minecraft merch sales

Is there any data available for this bar graph. I think it is a good idea to make this bar graph 2D, the 3D effect does not add anything and ie hence a distraction, same for the blue agenda. RichardMau5 (talk) 21:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Chartjunk bad. No 3D without a good reason. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:36, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
The chart should be removed until @Timur9008: states his sources. It is also better to use something like Template:Bar chart for accessibility, bandwidth and ease of editing. —Dexxor (talk) 20:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
The sources are mentioned in the highest-grossing media franchise article.(under/in the Merchandise sales section) @Dexxor: Timur9008 (talk) 11:37, 3 August, 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises#cite_note-632

sources: (442, 54, 55, 30, and 32 in the article).

2012: https://www.vg247.com/2012/03/24/minecraft-hits-80m-in-sales-with-over-5m-paid-downloads/

2013: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/44+entertainment%2Fcharacter+properties+reach+%24100+m+in+sales+of...-a0438689353

2014: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/42+entertainment+character+properties+reach+%24100+million+in+sales+of...-a0439804356

etc

You still should be doing this using some template with inline sources and not a low-resolution rasterized image with unneeded 3D bars. No one can correct the image, correct the text, align the labels, fix cropped label, add new years, inline sources, improve accessibility, etc. —  HELLKNOWZ   TALK 10:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Minecraft 4K edition (forgotten edition of Minecraft)

Minecraft 4K was a Minecraft version in 4 kilobytes for the Java 4K contest.

https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Minecraft_4k  Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.167.84 (talk) 03:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

I can't find any reliable sources that cover this game, so I don't think it can be added into the article. Even if there was, this is a minuscule, unimportant release that feels more like WP:TRIVIA than anything else. Namcokid47 (Contribs) 16:29, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
@Namcokid47: It is referenced in this article here--Breawycker (talk to me!) 16:35, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Split Minecraft Education Edition into its own article

I believe that Minecraft: Education Edition should get it’s own article (along with potentially further splits for versions such as Bedrock and Java). Education Edition is treated as a separate entity to the main game, has different updates, platforms, mechanics and history, has many notable sources referencing it and has different printing options.

To avoid confusion between versions, shouldn’t there should be one page focused on Minecraft (the original game, the page we have now) then separate pages for Java, Bedrock, and Education? They are different after all; not only in mechanics, but history, purpose, influence, availability and price. The Official Minecraft Wiki has all three as separate pages, demonstrating that there is enough distinction between the versions to warrant a page.

An example of where a similar problem has been encountered is with Tetris and its many versions. “Tetris” has a main page for the game describing the overall gameplay and history. Then it has separate pages for Tetris (Atari), Tetris (NES), Tetris (Electronic Arts), and Tetris (Game Boy) all of which don’t stray too far from the core formula but have minor differences (sort of like Java/Bedrock). Then you have all the Tetris variants of which there are around 20 which add new features and tweak the formula as separate pages.

The way Tetris has handled the variants in the above example makes it easier for readers to distinguish between the many versions. Surely Minecraft should do the same?

This was briefly discussed between two users here, but it was suggested to reestablish the discussion on this talk page instead. Squid45 (talk) 08:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

For splits like this, we want a significant history (more than what there was already) on its development past. The gameplay differences are trivial for the most part. In the case of Tetris, you'll notice the splits tend to be games from different developers and publishers and thus created the vast differences in development paths, but in the case of Minecraft and its versions, there's basically only been one, so type of disparate development isn't really going to happen. --Masem (t) 13:03, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Masem, if a franchise page is made (see above), then it probably could be expanded upon a bit there. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, a franchise page would be a better place to briefly take about each of the other variants, but still would not have a subpage for the individual game. --Masem (t) 22:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Change that page. It says no thing about bedrock.

GAMEMODE can still be changed after world creation, without cheats, though only possible on bedrock edition.  Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.120.85.151 (talk) 07:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

That's a bug.  Nixinova T  C   07:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

More information needed

It would be more accurate if the article specified that 4J studios, Other ocean interactive, and netease all worked on some verison and/or editions of the game  Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56a:f9e6:a300:4c30:773b:6b8:ec8b (talk) 21:27, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

What is your source for the above? In other words, tell us where you heard it. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 22:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
4J Studios made the console versions, Other Ocean made the 3DS version, and NetEase made the Chinese version.  Nixinova T  C   22:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Except for Netease, these are already in an efn for the infobox. -- ferret (talk) 22:49, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Per . , , Minecraft#Minecraft China, and NetEase#Licensed online games NetEase signed an agreement to license Minecraft in China. Where is the evidence that they "worked on" the game? --Guy Macon (talk) 23:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Add citation for "Hardcore mode is Java Edition-only"

Replace {{cn|date=September 2020}} in the Hardcore mode section with <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.polygon.com/2020/6/15/21287920|title=Minecraft Bedrock vs. Java: Which is the right version for you?|date=15 June 2020|access-date=20 September 2020|website=[[Polygon (website)]]|last=Lee|first=Julia}}<ref>. —Dexxor (talk) 06:49, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

To editor Dexxor:  done, and thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 12:03, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

No Goals?

The Gameplay article states there are no specific goals to accomplish. Getting to "The End" and destroying the Ender Dragon?  Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.136.122 (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

...which brings you right back to the overworld where you can resume playing. And you can re-summon the Ender dragon. Some players kill the Ender Dragon 20 times to create the maximum of 20 end gateway portals and then start building things in the end. Or you can ignore the end (and the nether for that matter) and keep exploring and building until you either die of old age or Hypixel Studios releases Hytale. Not sure which will happen first.   :(   --Guy Macon (talk) 12:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 September 2020

Along with C418, Lena Raine wrote a new music disc. She shoud be one of the composers. The Ancient Sage (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: See the several edit requests already pertaining to this. Lena is mentioned in a note already. -- ferret (talk) 15:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request: Smash bros reveal

Five news articles are reporting that Minecraft Steve being revealed for Smash Ultimate has caused Twitter servers to crash temporarily. I suck at editing though. Here are the sources, make the entry something like this

"On October 1st, Nintendo revealed that Steve from Minecraft would be playable as DLC in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, the following reception caused Twitter server issues."

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/twitter-crashes-and-reacts-to-super-smash-bros-ultimates-minecraft-steve-reveal/1100-6482817/

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/minecraft-super-smash-bros-ultimate-reveal-causes-twitter-to-crash/

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/10/super-smash-bros-ultimate-minecraft-steve-reaction

https://screenrant.com/super-smash-bros-ultimate-minecraft-dlc-crash-twitter/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/twitter-crashes-and-reacts-to-super-smash-bros-ultimates-minecraft-steve-reveal/1100-6482817/  Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1107:8A76:55E:1BC4:366C:3966 (talk) 18:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

This is a extremely trivial bit of information and not encyclopedically relevant. This will not be added. --Masem (t) 19:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 September 2020

Spectator mode: This mode is only available on the Java Edition of Minecraft. Userminecrafter69 (talk) 03:46, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:20, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
This is correct, spectator mode is currently only available natively in the Java Edition of Minecraft. @HelenAngel: can likely verify this, as I recall she mentions on the official Minecraft Discord that spectator mode will become available in Bedrock Edition in future. ~ Chip🐺 11:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Hypixel as "the most popular" or "one of the most popular"?

See: Talk:Minecraft_server#Hypixel_as_most_common?

Might as well resolve this inconsistency. Both this article Minecraft and the article Minecraft server talk about server popularity, but this article says "one of the most popular" while the other says "the most popular" regarding Hypixel. One of these should change. I'm moving this discussion here since it petered out on the other article (which is admittedly much smaller). Which should it be? Leijurv (talk) 19:40, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

It's verifiably "the" most popular, even has a Guinness world record for it. That wording may have been fine 5 years ago but Mineplex has since crashed and burned and no other server even comes close to Hypixel (they recently reached 111k concurrent users; all others max at ~30k).  Nixinova T  C   21:33, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I vote "one of the most popular", purely for neutrality. Secondary to that: correct me if I'm wrong; but, there's no continuously verifiable source of truth for the popularity of Minecraft servers. There is also consensus Guinness World Records should not be used as a reliable source to establish notability. ~ Chip🐺 11:52, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with this either. You can't prove other servers don't have more players. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
@Dissident93: I'm a little confused, seems like by your logic we can't, for example, claim that Minecraft is the best-selling video game of all time because I can't prove that another game hasn't suddenly sold a hundred million copies? I mean, you're right, we can't, I can't. But we have reliable sources (a world record) that claim so. If someone desires to beat the world record, they can. And Guinness is not establishing notability here, Hypixel was in the article even without the claim that it was the most popular, and the Hypixel article is well supported outside of Guinness. Leijurv (talk) 23:19, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Leijurv, that's true, I argue the same thing when I see phrases such as "fourth best-selling game on the platform" in articles. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
@Dissident93: I think that is a bit of a silly viewpoint. You could apply this to any statement that could change in the future, no? Kipchoge's article says "He is the world record holder in the marathon", do we remove that because you can't prove someone else hasn't run a marathon since then in less time? If a person or entity currently holds the Guinness world record, I think that is probably the best possible source for what person or entity holds the world record in that thing. The reason is that Guinness is updated, and can absolutely be considered a "continuously verifiable source of truth" for who currently holds a specific world record with them. Leijurv (talk) 02:02, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Leijurv, well it's one thing to have multiple sources claiming it vs. just a Guinness world record, who aren't the most reliable and apparently shouldn't be used as a source either. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:54, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@Dissident93: Right, there are multiple sources claiming that he set the record. The question here, I think, is whether those sources could get outdated. I.e. can we say "Kipchoge set the record at that time" or "Kipchoge currently holds the record". I looked at Guinness on WP:PEREN and read through a few of the linked discussions on WP:RSN. It doesn't establish notability in and of itself to have set a world record, I agree with that. Furthermore, Guinness has been making decisions on what records to publish that are based upon how much money they can make. At the same time, I don't see any consensus against Guinness maintaining the records that they do keep track of.
How about According to Guinness World Records, the largest and most popular server is Hypixel, which has been visited by over 14 million unique players? Leijurv (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
You can see for yourself that no other server even comes close to Hypixel in terms of player count. Having a qualifier is unnecessary when it has easily 10x the player count than the next-highest.  Nixinova T  C   20:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Are all of those players sharing a single minecraft world and interacting with each other? Sticking a bunch of different words together into the same category and counting the total players just because the different minecraft worlds happen to be owned by the same outfit would be way less impressive. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:27, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Uh, that's not the definition of a Minecraft server, like, at all.  Nixinova T  C   03:08, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Uh oh, Guinness forgot to account for the fact that players in the overworld can't interact with players in the nether. Separate records are needed for that! =P Leijurv (talk) 08:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 October 2020

A Minecraft (franchise) page has been created, where merchandise, Minecon, movies and additional spin-off game information has been added, using content from this page. As such, a lot of content on this page can be moved over. I can't do this because of the extended protection on it, so is it possible that someone else does?

The following template should be added:

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 October 2020

Under Cultural impact, the sentence beginning with "Minecraft has been referenced" cites the Geometry Dash Wiki, a Fandom page. I believe this should be removed per WP:RSP. Twotwice (talk) 23:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Done.  Nixinova T  C   02:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

"Released as a public alpha"

According to [ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_version_history ] There were several versions released to the public prior to alpha. The earliest was Java Edition pre-Classic, AKA Cave game. See [ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_pre-Classic ] So why do we mention the alpha in the lead? --Guy Macon (talk) 14:27, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Read that carefully: That was Notch's internal versions but never released to the public until much later (as historical versions). --Masem (t) 14:30, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Not true.
[ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_Alpha_v1.0.0 ] says "Alpha v1.0.0 is the first Alpha version of the game, released on June 30, 2010"
[ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_Indev_0.31 ] says "Indev 0.31 refers to 26 different versions of Indev released between December 23, 2009, and February 5, 2010. "
[ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Late_Classic_Creative ] says "Late Classic Creative refers to six versions of Classic released from October 27 to November 10, 2009."
[ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_Classic_0.0.11a [ says "0.0.11a was a version of Java Edition Classic released on May 17, 2009,[1] at 11:56 UTC" and "This was the first public version of Minecraft, posted on the Tigsource Forum labeled Minecraft (alpha)"
Also see
Minecraft 0.0.11a for public consumption (May 17th, 2009),
and compare it with
Minecraft Alpha has been updated to version 1.0.1 (I just arbitrarily decided that the previous version (Jun 30th, 2010) was 1.0.0. :D), (Jul 3rd, 2010),
which was the first mention on Alpha.
So the first version of Minecraft was released to the public over a year before the first Alpha version. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:55, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Given the way the sourcing is in the body (not going off the wikis but RSes), it was when Notch offered a paid alpha is considered to be when the game was first widely publicly available, even though the other versions were there for the taking before that. So I've modified to reflect that there were test versions before that point, and the alpha reflects when he started to ask for funds for it. --Masem (t) 19:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Minecraft wiki guy here, there's a difference between "Alpha" and "alpha". Capital A "Alpha" is the development period between Infdev and Beta. Lowercase A "alpha" refers to all versions before Beta, including Classic, Indev and Infdev. "Released as a public alpha" uses the general term, the lowercase A "alpha", so using "alpha" to refer to Classic is OK.  Nixinova T  C   19:55, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
So, if I understand this correctly, at first minecraft was free but at one point Notch started charging money? If so, do we know exactly when and how much? Did notch specify any particular license for those early versions? I know that alpha is a generic term, but did notch use the term before version 1.0 or is "Lowercase A 'alpha' refers to all versions before Beta, including Classic, Indev and Infdev" just a naming convention that was tacked on later? Many developers call pre-alpha versions "Dev" or "Indev" (Development/In Development) but if anyone else has used "Infdev" I never heard of it -- maybe something Notch made up?. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
By lowercase A "alpha" I mean alpha as in a generic software alpha phase, as opposed to the unique phase of Minecraft explicitly labelled "Alpha" (see ). You can see here that the very first public version of the game was called "Minecraft alpha" by Notch.
Notch made up the name "Infdev" as a cross between "infinite [world generation] development" with "in-dev".
The game was originally free, but as it got more popular Notch changed the game to be paid at the start of the Indev stage.  Nixinova T  C   22:27, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
That appears to settle the question. In [ https://notch.tumblr.com/post/108652448/early-private-singleplayer-alpha-coming-very-soon ] (May 16th, 2009) Notch says "Early private singleplayer alpha coming very soon". That's one day before the first public release of 0.0.11a, and thus Nixinova is right; all early releases are properly called "alpha". Thanks for clearing that up!
Still wondering about when Notch first started started charging money and what the cost was. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
"This is not official in any way, but I’ve gotten several requests that people who paid should be able to play the latest version, even if it’s horribly buggy and crashes all the time." – Notch releasing the first version of Indev, 23 December 2009. Cost €5 back then.  Nixinova T  C   03:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Size of the first version?

Found something interesting that might be worth adding to the article.

There is an IRC log from 2009 at:

[ https://archive.org/download/Minecraft_IRC_Logs_2009/history/files/May-15-to-June-03-2009/2009-05-16.075419-0400EDT.txt.~1~ ]

(You can remove the ".~1~" at the end an read it as a normal txt file,)

In the log I found this:

(08:37:23) notch: I think I'll go grab some food and ponder this. The good news is that the applet WORKS (08:37:44) notch: and also that the total size of my game excluding the game library stuff is 29.3 kb. ;) (08:37:50) notch: low res textures for the win

I have never seen the size of the first version anywhere. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think the size of the original versions matter much, as without that "game library stuff" the game wouldn't actually work. Also, this is very much WP:OR.  Nixinova T  C   04:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

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