Talk:Moscow/Archive 3

The total population of Moscow, including both legal residents and illegals is 15,000,000: ^{[1] [2] [3] [4]}

This should be in the infobox. Right it only says 10,000,000, which is wrong and out of date. --SergeiXXX (talk) 22:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Legalisation of immigrants is absolutely necessary as the U.S. and Spain have done. That will increase the Social Security base of the nation as more people will pay taxes. And it will give a more clear picture of the real demographic situation in the Russian Federation. Probably population has not fallen as much as other data estimates. Spain legalised three million immigrants and the U.S. twelve million.

What's with all the images? What's more I've previously deleted the gallery section but it seems to have been re-added. The images cluster the page up too much and make the arts page take too long to load. Thanks, Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 05:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

• "The War of Gog and Magog"--Tjwatgmxus (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we shall not delete the gallery unless the most notable images are placed in the article proper.--Dojarca 10:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Tell that to Featured Article Objectors! It is not normal for an encyclopedic article to have a gallery of pictures. Please do not put the gallary back. --Hirakawacho 20:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Most articles about cities have galleries including such as New York, Beijing, Tokyo, Shanghai. Please do not impose double standards here.--Dojarca 21:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Dojarca Click here Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Moscow. Until you are willing to explain to the objectors you position I am afraid I have no choice but to listen to the objectors. So please tell them, not me. If it is featured it will be on the main page. --Hirakawacho 23:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

None of the four articles you noted are featured. There may be a few city articles with galleries, but this is not a place for showcasing pictures of arbitrary places in Moscow. If you want a gallery of Moscow photos, we have the Wikimedia Commons page for that. -- tariqabjotu 17:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Bottom left is a Swissotel Hotel, not the Moscow International House of Music (that is located nearby, though) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.143.44.132 (talk) 04:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Russia does not make statistics for murders only. Russia publish only total sum of murders and unsuccessful attempts with no division. Therefore this number is very dubious and most probably contain wrong figure. More than that - is it really necessary to have 11 years old stats? 2008 figures (sum for murders and attempts) are published on mos.ru Elk Salmon (talk) 08:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

There should be stuff about how Moscow's security forces deal with the high crime rates if at all. I just can't find any info on Moscow secuity.

Hi. I spent four days in Moscow (March 17, 2007 to March 20, 2007) and found the city to be quite safe, despite all the articles I had read on the internet that warned about high crime rates as well as racial violence dealing with skin-head and neo-nazi gangs. While in Moscow I did not run into any gangs of skin-heads/neo-nazis at all. I was particularly worried inittially since I am from Mexico and though I would be an easy target for those racist groups. Like I said, however, I did not see any of those gangs in Moscow, so that was comforting. The only thing I have to add with regards to safety is that I am very pleased to see that Moscow is not quite at the high crime rates of western cities such as Chicago, Houston, Mexico City, etc. I was a little dissapointed with the russian's cold character that seemed rude to western standards, however, one has just to understand their culture I guess. One last thing, you MUST learn russian before you go to Russia. It is not like other countries in which you find people that speak some english. Even the few russians that speak english expect you to know russian. So long.66.68.254.13 01:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)David66.68.254.13 01:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you had such a great time in Moscow. I've been living here for two years and also haven't experienced anything worse (knock on wood) than a little rudeness on the metro and some poor restaurant service (anyone who's been here may know what I'm talking about). But for anyone new traveling to Moscow, please note that skin-heads and other such groups are rare but do exist, and one should always be cautious in a big city, especially in a foreign one.

For me, Moscow native (living in Msk fo 27 years) crime section looks completely ridiculous. --Varnav (talk) 13:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I've undone user:76.189.210.252 previous edit. They wanted to remove the crime section as they said it "totally irrelevant you cant post such specific events)" ... What does anyone else think? A city page should cover all aspects - both good and bad... It seemed to be well referenced to me, and the person who added it had a user name and had made contributions before, unlike the reverter.. But I'm open to suggestions! --Tomhannen 09:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

And should we add specific crime events that happened in New York City, or Los Angeles? Adding a crime section is fine, but making it limited to one specific event does not meet wikipedia's standards.

-That guy

The best thing to do would be to move the contents of this section to Crime in Moscow and link to it from the "see also" section of this article. When/if crime in Moscow grows, it can be summarized, and that summary can be placed into the Moscow article as a separate section. The way the section is now it really shouldn't be included.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed - this sounds like a good way to go - I'll have a go when I get the chance. --Tomhannen 21:34, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The crime section is completely wrong - it's better not to have it at all than to have one that is now. I'm Moscow native living there for 27 years. --Varnav (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Probably there are 10,4 million official registered inhabitants and 13,7 million total population includng illegal migrants.--Dojarca 05:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but we can't tell for sure, and there are no references. --Varnav (talk) 13:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

In Moscow? Let`s go to russian.

In russian language: "Один американец, вдруг, непойми с чего вдруг решивший, что русские поедут в америку работать на его малый бизнес. Первый раз в жизни увидел стопку однодолларовых купюр и понял - америкосы живут в более тяжёлых условиях, чем мы, считающие, что и жизнь - не в радость." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.41.32.119 (talk) 00:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

What on earth does that have to do with Moscow? --158.143.147.136 (talk) 12:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

List of songs about Moscow
Thanks.Civic Cat (talk) 18:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't we mention the number of street children in Moscow? This is a serious subject being ignored, I think. I'm reading everywhere that there are at least 10,000 children living on the streets in Moscow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.11.25.80 (talk) 15:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Please, before editors mark external links as "dead links", at least spend a few seconds looking for a new link. It took Google less than a second to find the new Committee for Tourism of Moscow City Government website. Thank you very much!
 —  Paine's Climax  19:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Uncited, useless, silly? --Ioscius ^(talk) 11:06, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

It is necessary to have this section, becouse it is difficult to find restrooms in Moscow. The resrooms are designated by Russian letters, and not by the international symbols.

When I arrived to Moscow the first time, it was a real problem. The Russians are very constraining. They avoid to speak and write about the toilets, and it is consequently difficult for foreing visitor to learn their location.

Sincerely, Stella Vesper Stella Vesper (talk) 13:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry to hear about your difficulties, but Wikipedia is not a travel guide, and since a section about public restrooms most certainly falls under that category, its removal was appropriate. Please, do not re-add. Thank you.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:27, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Ezhiki. --Ioscius ^(talk) 15:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Toilets are one thing, but the standard of English in this article needs to be improved. For example see the Feral dogs section.--220.101.28.25 (talk) 08:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The infobox gives two population figures 4 million apart. I assume one is the metro area. This issue is a nightmare on Wikipedia. City articles are full of inflated metro figures misrepresented as city populations. Luwilt (talk) 03:36, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

The city population is what it says right now. The 'metropolitan area' or 'aglomeration' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_metropolitan_area) as we call it in Russia, has about 15,000,000 in total (on Russian page it says 'between 15 and 17 million, I think it is because they do not know if illegal immigrants must be counted along with the population). This area includes city of Moscow itself, and also towns Balashikha, Korolyov, Krasnogorsk, Khimki, Mytishchi, Zelenograd, Reutov, Zheleznodorozhny, Podolsk, Lubertsy, and some others. I tried to edit that into the info box, but it doesn't work, I don't know why.--SergeiXXX (talk) 19:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Because "pop_metro" and "pop_urban" are not valid parameters. "Metropolitan area population" number is something that really needs explanation (as your write-up above well attests); and the only place where proper explanation can be provided is in the article's body, not in the infobox. The infobox accommodates the numbers which are easy to understand and verify; "metro population" is definitely neither.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 31, 2010; 20:50 (UTC)

Should "Stalinodar" redirect here? If yes, must some content relating to this name be added to this article? According to the Russian language Wikipedia article on Stalinodar ...

"Stalinodar" was a new name for Moscow suggested by Nikolai Yezhov in 1938. But Stalin rejected the idea. After World War Two the question of renaming Moscow in Stalin's honour was being considered again, but Stalin again rejected it. After Stalin's death this question has not been addressed, and "Stalinodar" never appeared on the map of Russia or the Soviet Union.

... but I'm using Google Translate. Can others, especially those who can actually speak Russian, provide their views please? KPUFFERFİSH^Ṫ•Ċ 13:22, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Insignificant idea of Ezhov's. He said it, but it never went anywhere, then he was executed,a nd it was all forgotten. Completely meaningless now, I wouldn't bother putting it in the article. --SergeiXXX (talk) 00:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

OK:)KPUFFERFİSH^Ṫ•Ċ 05:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm writing this on discussion because I couldn't find it anywhere on Wiki, nor on the Net. Does anyone know how and when the English name for the city became as it is?

-- PJonDevelopment (talk) 02:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

It's simply an anglicised version of the German name for the city, which is Moskau. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.162.97.85 (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

There is a large debate about the pronunciation, but I'm pretty sure it was settled as /ˈmɒskaʊ/. But, either way, I think we should source this, as it is contentious. — trlkly 03:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The last number of victims of crime in Moscow are from 1998, isn't it time to update? Someone who have newer numbers? Think it's wrong to almost "hang out" Moscow as a city that have a much high crimerate, when the city today is the total opposite. --217.208.14.96 (talk) 00:22, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I've deleted the section. Why? Let's look at it:

"auto theft... dramatically increased during the early 1990s."

So did car ownership.

"Pick-pocketing is frequent in Moscow, as well as burglary from vehicles."

No evidence is given for this.

"Robbers in the city tend to pose as police officers"

Or this.

"For the year of 1998, Moscow had a murder rate of 18.1 killings per 100,000 residents"

As the poster above points out, these figures are very old.

If there is to be a crime section, it should be based on recent facts and statistics, not stereotype and hearsay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.77.13.26 (talk) 16:02, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

tên gọi của rùa ngoan hiền =)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.182.112.108 (talk) 15:12, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I ran AWB today and it shows 18 deadlink tags on this article. I don't know enough about Moscow to try to find new links to replace the dead citations, but the article needs to be cleaned up. Aristophanes68 (talk) 04:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

circular roads was built around the Kremlin walls. A few years ago established a new additional ring called the "third ring". פארוק (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Seems to be tampered with. Dagbre (talk) 20:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Seems like the Shopping section of the Moscow article appears to require a little clean up and a bit more authority than what it currently has. The information should be at least verifiable instead of sensational. 18:10, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/14/moscow-double-size-overcrowding

Needs to be included --SergeiXXX (talk) 16:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Just what was the number for the 2002 census?

The top infobox and historical population box say 10,126,424. The demographics section says 10,382,754. Adding up the ethnic makeup gives 10 249 566.Qwertzy (talk) 01:17, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

The 2002 Census population of Moscow proper (i.e., the city itself) is 10,126,424. The population of 10,382,754 is for Moscow and other inhabited localities in its jurisdiction (i.e., for the federal subject). Since the rest of the population data are for the federal subject, I've changed the values to 10.3 mil throughout. The ethnic makeup does not add up to this because the list is incomplete.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 19, 2011; 13:31 (UTC)

Moscow is now the fifth-largest city by population, see List of cities proper by population. Regards.--GoP_T^C_N 13:10, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

I've added the estimate.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 5, 2012; 14:58 (UTC)

The claim that Moscow is the most populous city in europe is incorrect: Istanbul has a population of 13.4 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.217.9.41 (talk) 10:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Istanbul is neither European nor Asian, so it does not count. Moscow is in Europe. Regards.--GoP_T^C_N 21:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with the anonymous user. GoP, if we were to use your standards, than Istanbul would not be part of any list whatsoever; it's not Asia, it's not Europe. Fact is: it's both. The fact that even the article of List of metropolitan areas in Europe is including Istanbul says enough, I reckon. However, I have found additional sources, and added them. Also, if we were to use your standards, then Cyprus and Armenia (officially Asia), Malta and Sicily (officially Africa) and Iceland (partly North-America) weren't even to be included in anything European, however, they have sociopolitical and/or geographical connections with Europe, and are considered as European by the European Union and/or the United Nations (as do both Russia and Turkey). Kind regards, 「Robster1983」^{☞ Life's short, talk fast ☜} 16:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

As Istanbul is both it is only fifty-fifty, while Moscow is fully in Europe. If there was no Bosporus splitting the city in two halves then I would reconsider. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 16:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

How about seeing where the majority of the population of Istanbul lies (in Europe or Asia) and use that as a criterion on whether to include it as the largest city in Europe? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:01, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I found a serious mistake. In the section "Geography and climate" # "Climate", it says,

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2011 has become on eof tIn contrast,...

What does "eof tIn" mean? Besides, if "eof tIn" is corrected, the resulting complette sentence will likely be ungrammatical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solomonfromfinland (talk • contribs) 07:02, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that's been there a while; thanks for catching it! It seems that an editor started to write (or copy/paste) a sentence about 2011 but did not finish it. I've restored the paragraph to a state that existed prior to that particular edit. Thanks again!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 4, 2012; 14:04 (UTC)

A few months ago the city annexed a new areas in the south-west of the city and it can be seen clearly in the map in the article. so why is it not mentioned here ? . פארוק (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

It is. See the last paragraph of the "Administrative divisions" section.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 4, 2012; 16:01 (UTC)

The new ares are breaking the shape of Road Rings that exist around the city since the days of Stalin. maybe you know why the new areas of the city (section 11 + section 12) and the form it encompasses the city as it has always been acceptable? . according to English media reports that I calledin in Zone 11 planned to serve as the future: Russia's Silicon with the National University of Science and Technology of Russia. section 12 is probably an area for the new government offices Campus. maybe it is a new city that planned to built close to the old city. פארוק (talk) 20:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

The main reasons were to unload Moscow's core areas, but implementation specifics are still pretty much in the planning stage. If you can search in Russian, there are plenty of news and sources about various plans and proposals, although your description above summarizes them fairly accurately.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 5, 2012; 21:01 (UTC)

How can i read Russian if i don't speak the language ?. too bad there is no information in English, it is very interesting. פארוק (talk) 12:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, there's always google translate :) As for the information in English, in my experience things like this seldom make it into English-language sources.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 6, 2012; 13:27 (UTC)

Is not the new city extension of 2.550 square kilometers instead of 2.510? I believe it is. The initial idea conceived an extension of 1440 sq. km., then 1600 sq. km. and, eventually, 1448 ha. being the later the final extension approved. This would lead us to 2.550 sq km. Indeed, a number of websites gather this value as the city extension but it is also true that other websites inform 2.510 sq. km. (wrongfully, to my understanding). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.83.228.11 (talk) 21:28, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

A source would be helpful. The one we currently have says 2,510, and unless you can find an equally reliable source disproving that number, that's what we should use, per our policies.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 13, 2012; 21:39 (UTC)

Indeed, the link number 18, redictering to the Offical Moscow Government site, states that the current extension is of 255 thousand hectares (2.550 square kilometers).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.89.52 (talk • contribs)

Funny, it's hosted on the same website :) Perhaps it would make sense to add a note that the official sources contradict one another.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 10, 2013; 19:50 (UTC)

Recently i happened to find sites containing information about Russian Pyramids. It's said that a Russian scientist,named Alexander Golod, has built around 17 artificial pyramids ,which are said to be made of fiberglass, around Russia. One of these artificial pyramids is outside of Moscow and it's said to attract a large number of tourists every year. Though i couldn't find any reference to Russian pyramids or this Russian scientist named Alexander Golod in en.Wikipedia.org . I would like to add this information to this page. I wonder if it's all right? --Fotte (talk) 12:07, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

There is an article about Golod's "power pyramids", see ru:Пирамиды Голода.--Tomcat (7) 13:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I have find a bug in your latitude. It seems that is missing one character on the UTM field. For example: Moscow has the latitude set to 6179122 when it should be 16179122. Please check.

—164.85.6.1 (talk) 18:21, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I think not. Why do you think so? Try this converter or this one, for example. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:39, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

It's been a while since i wrote that, i see a direct linked has been placed, thanks. So my argument is needles, we can remove this talk section. Fotte (talk) 09:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

9.93 million Russians of 11.5 million people total equals 86.3 % (not 91.65 % as claimed), or if counted from 11.5 million: 11.5 million × 91.65 % equals 10.54 million Russians (not 9.93 million). Or share of Russians is somehow calculated from a population of 10.835 million (not from 11.5 million). And the figures should be from 2010 Census, so where does the error come from? 85.217.46.40 (talk) 10:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Good question. It looks that while the total population as of the 2010 Census is indeed 11.5 million, the ethnic percentages were calculated based only on the population whose ethnicity was known (roughly 10.8 million people). The 91.6% figure was thus calculated as ~9.9 mil/~10.8 mil. I've added a short note to the article to make this clear. Thanks for catching this!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 11, 2013; 18:27 (UTC)

Moscow is not the most populous city in Europe in fact the reference in the page, it says iti is second after Istanbul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.122.117.232 (talk) 21:39, 19 November 2013 (UTC) But half of Istambul is in Asia...--83.63.225.149 (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

About the origin of the name/term?

Moskau = Moscow = Mosquée = Mosque = Москва́

Temple for the Muslims? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.50.27.50 (talk) 15:22, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

• The city of Moskva is named after the Moskva River thousand years ago. Moskva is probably pre-Slavic Finno-Ugric name. --TarzanASG (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

It isn't clear what "inland" mean, Beijing is bigger and also doesn't have access to see. -Valodzka (talk) 16:42, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Mexico City is twice as big as Moscow and very much an inland city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.56.203.120 (talk) 14:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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Too little data about very important year, same scarse and improbable info also presented in my russian articles and hidden even in schoolbooks, considering that there's many histocal works in Russia about that year. The info in article that Kremlin wasn't burned is debatable, because by letters from England's diplomat and politician in Moscow Jerome Horsey - the fire started from the Kremlin's main saint John cathedral with help by strong wind (russian historians agree that this description can be used as truthful - commentary in book about Horsey letters by Moscow's University). So, considering that there's historical facts that deny directly the Kremlin's safekeeping - this words need to be removed from article. Let's use the position that "city was burned completely".
The most population died from fire (russian historians by numerous sources considering the approximate numbers in range of 20 to 800 thousands people dead, the summary table made by Zymin A. A.).
There's need to be added additional data, which most historians agree and consider indisputable – that "tzar" flee from city, so in time of the biggest fire of 1571 there was no authority in Moscow in any form (the fact that he "flee" from city but not "evacuated" like same situation with Stalin confirmed by personal letters afterward from Crimean khan to russian tzar where he made very insulting personal words about the situation happen).
Considering all above i can make edit in article but the sources are russian, which is not easy to make reference. Proposed edit is short: In 1571, the Crimean Tatars attacked and sacked Moscow, city burned, most population died in fire, tzar fled from capital. (with saving current source but adding new also) User436 (talk) 19:31, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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The article states this: "Moscow is situated on the Moskva River in the Central Federal District of European Russia, making it the world's most populated inland city." However, both Mexico City and Sao Paolo also have claims to this title. Moscow city proper is larger but I would consider that happenstance as boundary lines for cities have little meaning. JoshMahar (talk) 15:22, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I clicked on "Radio in Russia", but there is no such link / article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.6.2.205 (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

It's because no one has written it yet :) (Actually, someone did last year, but it was deleted as a copyright violation). In all, if a link is red, it means there is no such article (but there should be). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 3, 2015; 17:24 (UTC)

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Article states that "Muslims constitute around 1.5 million, that is 14% of the population". Taking into account that Russians are 91% and assuming that all non-Russians are Muslims (which is not true) we have 107% population in the town! And then reference for this "information" makes it clear - please, never use yellow press like Der Spiegel for statistics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.125.6.1 (talk) 10:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

"Muslim" refers to the religion of Islam, not an ethnic race. This is a common mistake, just like the way people often use the word "Jew" to describe the religion, and not the ethnicity of a people, which is also a mistake. And I don't think Der Spiegel qualifies as part of the yellow press. __209.179.22.107 (talk) 19:59, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

No, 129.125.6.1 has made a good point. It may be the New World, where the notion of ethnicity is heavily blurred, instead some strange notion of "race" is used, and where people generally confuse ethnicity, ancestry, race, citizenship and whatever. But it is not thus in the Old World, especially in the former USSR, where people perfectly know who they are. Muslims are not an ethnic group, of course, but ethnic Russians are not Muslims, while certain ethnic groups are traditionally considered (by themselves in the first place) as Muslims. So one part of the modern ethnic Russians are either atheists, agnostics or some sort of theists, another part are "casual" Christians, but only a very small minority, I'd say no more than 1-3%, are neophytes of some other religions (like various Western Protestant groups, Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims).

So when 129.125.6.1 mentioned the numbers from the Russian census, where "Russians" designates the ethnic group and not the citizens of the Russian Federation (as the American anonymous 209.179.22.107 must have thought, I assume), (s)he rightfully implied that if 91% of Moscow are ethnic Russians, so there cannot be more than 9% Muslims. But here arises our problem: (1) there is no 100%-reliable statistics about religion adherence in Russia; (2) the population of Moscow is very dynamic, there is a constant inflow and outflow of people from around the world, especially from populous Muslim Central Asia; (3) the number of the Muslim immigrant population in Moscow may be equally inflated and overestimated by Muslim clerics, as well as underestimated by the Russian statistical services, most probably this number is not constant but may rise and fall during any period. So Spiegel is certainly hardly a reliable statistical source here (though they backed their number by citing some unknown Muslim clerics), but it can still be here if a proper attribution is given.--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 12:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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The first sentence currently states "20 million residents within the city limits and 16.8 million within the urban area" while the population box shows 12,197,596 or 14,300,000 within city limits depending on the definition of resident. The 20-million figure does not appear to have any reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.52.51.32 (talk) 11:57, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Moscow, Russia. Moscow is the capital city of Russia and is the second most populated city in Europe. The city has the largest number of billionaire residents in the world. (Image Source: remotewhiteboard)http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/juggling-multiple-freelance-clients/

In article -- 1st largest city. Which of one is correct? And how about 1|2nd largest -- Paris or? Ah, London --Albedo ^@ 17:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

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Moscow Kremlin walls were painted red only in 20th century(under Communists). It was a clear(non painted) white stone before. Hence the old Russian saying "Moskva Belokamennaya" which translates to white stone Moscow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.59.57.63 (talk) 01:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

what about archeological value of old Moscow? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bringingvalue (talk • contribs) 11:33, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Possible that nobody ever suggested that the etymology of Moskov come from the Persian: muska = temple? Given, en plus, of the characteristic architecture of the Kremlin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.99.159.34 (talk) 16:47, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

The article says Finno-ugric etimology of the word Moscva is not probable! Let's read the wiki article Moscow Oblast: "Up to the 9–10th centuries, the Moskva River basin and adjacent lands were inhabited by Finno-Ugric peoples.". So this territory was FULL Finno-ugric. Only this fact must make people think about a Finno-ugric origin. But ok, let's go further: let's see a map of the area in the 9th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Finns#/media/File:Muromian-map.png And now take a look at the names of these Finno-ugric tribes, who lived exactly here: Moksha (!), Mari, Mordvin, Murom, Merya. I think Moksha and Moscva are so close that we can say it is the best and closest to the solution. But the article states it is not possible. Ok for me, you know what you want to believe in....178.48.177.1 (talk) 12:10, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

OR/SYNTH is a no-no.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 27, 2016; 13:46 (UTC)

You guys forgot to erase the Finno-Ugric etymology of Moscow from the History of Moscow article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.193.237.228 (talk) 10:10, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

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At time of writing, Moscow Metro is discussed in two subsections of the article - 2.7, part of History and 10.4, part of Transportation. Probably they should be merged into Transportation section? George6996 15:20, 17 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by George6996 (talk • contribs)

Feel free to add reliable sources before to change it, cheers.AlfaRocket (talk) 12:45, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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