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Naples the capital of south Italy

Naples is the largest city of southern Italy. Naples and its suburbs has around 3 million people living there.

Naples is a city rich in traditions, art and history. It has its own language, called "Napoletano". Napoletano is actually mistermed a "dialect" of Italian when in fact Napoletano, as well as other so-called "dialects" such as Siciliano and Veneto, along with Italian itself, are all sister languages descending from Latin.

This city has its origins as a Greek colony and, along with a large part of southern Italy, was part of the Greek based culture of Magna Grecia. It quickly became an important city in the Mediterranean.

Naples was taken over by the Roman Empire and was called "Nea Polis" (Which in Latin means new city). In addition, citizens from Naples are called "Partenopei". They are called Partenopei because a siren died in the port of Naples.

Between 1284 1816, The "Regno delle due sicilie" (Kingdom of the Two Sicilies) was created, dominated by the Spanish.

Naples was controlled by rulers from different countries until Italian Unification in 1860, when it was integrated into the new Italian state. The major influences on this city have been from Greek, Arabic and Spanish cultures, and they have left their mark on the traditions and culture of the city.

Naples is a city rich in music, art and traditional food, and has dominated in Italy and all over the world.

One of the most important traditions in Italy is "Christmas". Every year people prepare a "Presepe" for their house or church. A presepe is a nativity crib of the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. There is a competition around the city for the best one.

Other attractions of the city are: Pompeii from the Roman Empire, the Amalfi Coast and Sorrento. There is also a variety of museums, art gallery, and theatres.

The opening of the funicular railway to Vesuvius was the occasion for the writing of the famous song "Funiculì Funiculà", one more song in the centuries long tradition of Neapolitan songs. Other Neapolitan songs are also famous outside of Italy, for example "'O Sole Mio", "Santa Lucia" and "Torna a Surriento".

Another tradition of Naples is the food.There are so many dishes which have become national and international ones. The most popular are: pizza, pasta, fish stew, ice cream and the traditional food of Naples, witch is based on meat, fish,and vegetarian food. In addition there is a good selection of wines, the most noted are: Lacrima Cristi, Greco di Tufo, Fiano di Avellino.

In conclusion, Naples is a hospitable city, providing entertainment for individuals of all ages, who can find relaxation and excitement and who can enjoy the architecture and the unique style of the city!

What is this (above)?

What is the point of the above item? It contains errors in fact--or at least oversimplifications-- and has stylistic problems, apparently a rush translation job. ("...They are called Partenopei because a siren died in the port of Naples..." ?? They are called Parthenopeans because Parthenope was a siren in Greek mythology who is said to have washed ashore on the small isle of Megaride after throwing herself into the sea when her singing failed to enchant Ulysses.) It isn't really "talk" about the main article. Just wondering. Jeffmatt 03:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Postcodes?

Is it really encyclopedic to have a list of postcodes for Naples? None of the links in that section even resolve to anything. If no one objects, I'm going to remove this section. —Cleared as filed. 05:01, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

The landmarks template

I inserted the landmarks template in the body of the main article while I work on filling in at least some of the main empty slots. This means that there is redudancy between the landmarks as listed in that subsection and the template. I don't know what to do about that except leave it as is for a while until the slots have been filled and then eliminate one or the other. Jeffmatt 03:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I moved the reference to the band Spaccanapoli. It was an ad, obviously put in by someone in the group. I renamed it Spaccanapoli (band). (It now seems to have disappeared.) The main reference Spaccanapoli now leads to a short description of the street, as it should. Jeffmatt 03:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I did away with redundant entries between the lists and the landmarks bar.Jeffmatt 07:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Changed my mind. The nav bar is ugly on the page. I replaced all the items in the lists. Little by little, I'll do the ones that need doing. The nav bar, of course, remains at the bottom of the individual items once you go to the page. Jeffmatt 07:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Still filling in the landmarks. I'll add photos later. Jeffmatt 08:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

that's life, pal

Working on it, working on it. Wikipedia is an ongoing collective effort. I just started a section on demographics. All help is appreciated. Jeffmatt 15:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Pics

Napoli has an amazing skyline now. There are many glass towers and office buildings that could match up to many North AMerican cities. We should include more colourful pics to liven up the page including some pics of the city's massive skyscrapers.

skyline

Started on that. See Centro Direzionale. Jeffmatt 05:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

demographics

To 24.36.36.67. Thanks for straightening out the demographics a bit. I realize I had too much stuff about the province of Naples in there. If you get a user name, we could commicate on our talk pages. Jeffmatt 05:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

transportation map

What's up there now is useless, I'm afraid. We need some high-quality copyright-free graphics! What else is new. Jeffmatt 14:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

diaspora

Forgot to log in. New paragraph and citation in the "diaspora" section (identified by IP number) are mine. Sorry. Jeffmatt 15:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

deleted "Gulf of Naples"

The section was redundant, having been covered in the "Around Naples" section. There was no text--just a list of links that already exist in the other section. Jeffmatt 10:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Mafia

Shouldn't the recent mob war that has pretty much "engulfed" this city, be on the page? Or at least mentioned???? Is wikipedia running behind a few years or something? Superdude99 20:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there is Mafia in Naples, indeed there is something which looks similar but which is rather different, a part of it is called Camorra or even something else like O' sistema (local dialect) by some of the napolitans. 13 November 2006.


I live in Naples, here is born the Camorra, the local Mafia System that have an economy much bigger than the legal one. I'm talking of Billions..it should me mentioned. Reference on the book "GOMORRA" by Saviano. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.14.44 (talk) 23:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Running behind?

Of course we're running behind! We all have real jobs. Be a real super dude and write an article on it. Good luck! Seriously, where would it go on this page? We'd need a subsection called, perhaps, "Social Problems" (or something like that) with a number of subheadings--unemployment, organized crime, etc--and then a link to respective main articles. I see there is an article at Camorra--a brief item about organized crime. That might be a start: i.e. a "social problems" section with a first link to that item. What do you think? But since the episodes you mention are recent and ongoing, someone might try putting a shorter item up on the "news" section of the main page. I haven't got the time right now. Jeffmatt 08:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Famous Neapolitans

It would be nice if people would stop loading their own names, or the names of their friends, into "Famous Neapolitans"--out of alphabetical order--and waiting for someone else to do all the research. At least start a stub!Jeffmatt 08:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Al Capone is american of italian (neapolitan) origin, but he isn't neapolitan! User:SpeDIt 0:34, 11 february 2007 (CET)

what's up with the picture on top?

  • It looks out of place. JuJube 02:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

climate table

I dropped down the climate table at the top so it no longer bleeds over into the info box on the right. That leaves a lot of white space, but it's better than it was. Jeffmatt 18:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

The term Neapolitan

I have seen this term applied to not just people specifically from Naples, but the Province of Naples too. Is this correct useage? For example someone from Pozzuoli is a Neapolitan too? - The Daddy 15:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

language

Tthe article currently states: "Neapolitan-Calabrese is the geographically most diffuse Italian language and the Neapolitan dialect ('o napulitano) spoken in Naples is often mistaken with the language itself". These are bold assertions that need explanation and/ or a source. Mariokempes 00:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Neapolis or Neopolis?

I've seen the old name spelled "Neopolis" which means "new city" in Greek. Here, it's spelled with an "a". Correct or what?

Food and Drink

The food and drink section is now unnecessarily long. I would find it rude if someone reverted my own contributions, so I'm going to kindly request that the recent additions by FBWiki be moved to the article Italian food and the current section reduced to its former length. Sicilianmandolin 11:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

In fact I removed much of it. There were numerous redundancies, typos, errors etc. Much infos can be found in separate articles for which links are present. --Attilios 11:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

motto and nicknames

for the article on Roma they have the motto of 'Senatus Populusque Romanus', for this one would 'vedi Napoli e poi muori' be the Neapolitan motto? its the one ive heard most. also as roma has 'The Eternal City' would Napoli have 'Partenope'?--SalvoCalcio 04:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Crime in Naples

I've heard many stories of crime targeting tourists in Naples as well as other criminal organizations. Is there someone who's willing to write a section on this? I can't because I've never been to Naples.Wai Hong 09:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I live here, Naples is the city with the most high crime perception in Italy. It should be mentioned. Last year died over 200 people in gunfights,only in the city. It's unfair to not mention theese facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.14.44 (talk) 23:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


Excuse me, some people talk italian?? however.. i am wondering.. because nobody write here that naples has got most buildings religious in the world.. i think it is a very important factor!! thanks --87.1.15.110 16:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Contradictions in Demographics section

I've reorganized the Naples article a little. I noticed two contradicting figures regarding the number of immigrants in Naples. Does anyone know an accurate number of immigrants in Naples?Wai Hong 14:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Which Kragujevac is a partner city?

The link in the partner cities section claims that Kragujevac, Serbia is a partner city, but the flag next to its name is Ukrainian. On the site used as a reference, it's really mentioned as Kragujevac, Ukraine, and Naples is not mentioned as partner city at the Kragujevac article, but I can't find anything about Kragujevac, Ukraine. So, which one is it?--Vitriden (talk) 00:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Well the official website says "COMUNE DI KRAGUJEVAC (Ucraina)" which means basically City of Kragujevc (Ukraine), but I cannot find where that city for Ukraine is? It's confusing. - Animagentile (talk) 02:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I believe that is a mistake. Obviously, there is no larger city named Kragujevac in Ukraine, and I sincerely doubt that city of Naples would become partner city with a village. Therefore, I assume this is Kragujevac, Serbia, and I've made the change, in an honest belief I'm not making a mistake.--Vitriden (talk) 12:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Government section needed

This should be standard in a city article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.17.58 (talk) 12:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Neapolitan pizza

Oregano is not an ingredient of pizza Margherita, as can be verified on the cited reference, as well as on this official document. It is, together with tomato, garlic and olive oil, an ingredient of pizza Marinara, the other traditional Neapolitan pizza. See also the relevant italian article. fudo (questions?) 12:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Omertà in Wikipedia

I had to see that unfotunately, looks like some Mafia members are probably controlling this Wikipedia article as nothing is mentioned here in the incipit of the problems of the city that are enormeous. Everybody and mean really everybody knows it, so it's critical in Wikipedia to have mention of it. It's really incredible. This is deliberate continuous disinformation. And if you look in the history you will see that in the last months many people tried to say something about it and it was always systematically deleted. Wikipedia, the mafia-controlled encyclopedia? --78.54.67.192 (talk) 12:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The article already contains a link to Camorra. If you think the Camorra is more pervasive in Napolitan life than you would think judging by the article, you can always fix it, or dicuss it here. Shinobu (talk) 16:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I think 78.54.67.192 seems to be a troll and an uneducated one at that. First of all the Mafia is from Sicily, as Shinobu rightly pointed out Camorra is from Naples. Second of all, Mr. 78.54.67.192... I suggest you take a look around Wikipedia, why are the Russian Mafia not dedicated mention in the intro of Russia? Why are the numerous white nationalist neo-nazi gangs not given a mention in the intro of the United States article? Why are MS 13 not mentioned in the intro of every country in the Americas? Why is Yakuza not mentioned in the intro of Japan? When we have sections dedicated to those things, then we can talk on this one. In any case, the Camorra are already mention... I notice the IP of this person seems to be Germany, the same as the guy who came earlier this month with his unintelligent view of Naples. In the Italian Unification section, if Heir 78.54.67.192 can read, he would see that it says already.
Naples still has some issues, however: high unemployment and landfill management problems, the latter of which has been attributed to the Camorra by the media, a loose confederation of organised crime networks.[38]
Clearly nothing is "covered up" or left out. Its given due weight and directly mentioned. - Gennarous (talk) 03:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
By the way, the Camorra is only a small part of the problem. The real problem lies with local administration and politicians. I'm from Neaples myself, and it is a very well known fact here that *they* are the real problem. Stolen money and corruption = no money for waste management. Multiply for about 15 years and you get... BIG problems. The Camorra (which, btw, is not a family but a system just like the Mafia) "just" allowed unscrupulous industries in Northern Italy to deposit their waste - including toxic waste - here illegally, in exchange for much less money than legit disposal systems would cost. - RV. 18:11, 25 Jun 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.56.57.233 (talk)

Vinci Enzo-Milan there are more murders in Naples that. "Words of Clemente Mastella said today at the joint meeting of the Commissions for Justice and Constitutional Affairs on the effects dell'indulto held in the Senate. The minister has shown four tables compiled by the Directorate General of Statistics of his department on the basis of data provided by prosecutors in Milan, Rome, Naples and Palermo. Between August and October 2006 in Milan there were 27 murders, up from 23 in Naples, as well as the murders committed between January and November of this year are higher in Milan (103) than Campania (75). "So it is, as Pirandello, if you believe ...", Mastella said after the heckling that had Levati classroom.

Compared to these data, the website of the prefecture of Milan will appear others, reporting 21 homicides in the first six months of 2006. A discrepancy, this, which some explained by the fact that data from the Ministry refer to the district, while those of prefectures to the territories of the provinces. But a 'gap' so great between Milan and Naples in the city against Parthenopean affected crime may be explained, according to others, with the possibility that for the first were taken into account data from the district of the Court of Appeal (which includes a larger territory), while the second data from the district of the Court of Naples. So dear jo no embittered you there are people and I know that just vannp out and I repeat I have studied and lived 4 years in Switzerland to speak evil of Naples with the most common ancients (Legacy regard to suggest that this Napoli si'che it is true is the city of music say that 80% of those born in Naples knows sing percchè If not napulitan that is) since 1861, when it was united Italy, with consequent destruction of the southern part of Savoyard system-Piedmont, are in the Po Valley of the most Lerch thieves and crooks, no one ever equality: banks, railways, health, transport, ports, airports, procurement, prisons of gold, humanitarian missions, parmalat, tangentopoli, Unipol, Argentine bonds, Calciopoli, savoiopoli, telecom, etcetera, etcetera. All sectors of public and private life were goals of their ongoing fraud and robbery. In comparison, the mafia, the Camorra and the 'ndrangheta are naive thieves chickens. Now, if it considers it necessary to send the army in Naples to the many killed, it is absolutely urgent to send in the "Padania" UN troops, better equipped to stop this kind of permanent and devastating crime which is the main cause pregnant and underdevelopment and crime in the South. TEN WORST LARGE CITIES FOR MURDER, 2002 CITY FOR 100,000 (1) Washington, DC 45.8 (2) Detroit 42.0 (3) Baltimore 38.3 (4) Memphis 24.7 (5) Chicago 22.2 (6) Philadelphia 19.0 (7) Columbus 18.1 (8 ) Milwaukee 18.0 (9) Los Angeles 17.5 (10) Dallas 15.8

For the record in the United States there are about 35/40mila killed deaths a year, against 800 in little Italy. Whereas States have a population of five compared to ours, which means they will kill on average 10 times more than us.

Vituperatissima the province of Naples, even in the darkest years of clan wars, produces around 100/130 killed deaths a year, for 3 million people, about one-seventh of the national total.

Around 3 / 4 deaths per hundred thousand inhabitants.

In Washington we are at 45 per hundred thousand.

As I said, the clan of Secondigliano, the NCO, the Spaniards, the secessionists, all together passionately, compared to what happens in certain localities U.S. army seem to salvation.

Reflecting on this data before you say, as many Italians, which Naples is insecure, and then booked for Brazil (where the indexes are even worse than Americans. Jo anyway and these people who only speak evil of Naples that you find yourself fight with a Palermo said that Minch naples fired but always, (we are not excuse civil like you) or go away in style to the stadium and you feel called terrone.Jo continues to find what you do and not be sent out to do in the anus If not then do a chapter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.16.34.199 (talk) 11:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC) Già! agree with you does not refer to the Mafia in Sicily, yahuza in Japan, the mafia in colombia or different gang all over the world, you should always throw fand on the city of Naples, because I do not know if there is something wrong must always be a Neapolitan in half. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.16.34.199 (talk) 11:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Source wrong

  • Milan (second municipality for population and first metropolitan area in italy, her metropolitan area include all the province and also other: her density is very hight...)
  • Naples (third municipally for population and second metropolitan area for many sources: censis, Onu, Istat, Svimez, etc..., her metropolitan area include all the province and also other: her density is very very hight, first density (in absolutely) in Italy and one of the most densely populated in europe)
  • Rome (first municipally of italy for population and third metropolitan area, her metropolitan area not include all the province, absolutely not;for extension is the bigger (3.089, 24 km²) but her density is very very low! summarizing, the metropolitan area of Rome is not very important if comparated with Milan e Naples. Please..... only one source sayd who the second for population (Ocse)--Focak (talk) 13:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Population of Naples compared to other Italian cities

I believe that Istat is the only offical source, much like the Census Bureau is in the U.S. Here is the Istat page for Napoli, and I am sure that there are similar Istat entries for Roma and Milano etc. http://www.istat.it/istat/attivita/sediregionali/campania/CensimentoNapoli.pdf Unless you cite to this or to a source that cites to this, the never ending editor war about the relative size of Napoli will remain as pointless as it is tedious.Stwiso (talk) 15:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Pointless discussion indeed!!!

Relative size of Naples is taken by demographic census that occurs any 10 years...

Last census took place in 2001, so any further data (from a census to another) that are press released by CENSIS italian official insitute for demographic were calculated with not-direct methods. For example they calculate the number of people that leave the legal address in Naples and subscribe theirselves as legal address in other cities and vice-versa. But it is logic that this number may vary from month to month because of vaste mass of people that buy or sell new houses or keep new apartments for rent, and due to waste of time in refreshing legal address state registries.

I agree with Stwiso. Any other discussion regarding number of citizens in Naples is pointless and meaningless.

With regards, --Raffaele Megabyte (talk) 12:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Offensive behaviour by user Focak

I want to mention that the italian language title of the edit by user Focak stated on 03:26, 4 May 2009 is gratuitous and offending.

Title of the edit says:

Da tenere conto anche di tutti i napoletani non iscritti regolarmente all'anagrafe, è meglio scrivere sempre intorno al milion, per non contare poi gli extra non regolari

A slight translation says:

it is to consider also of all neapolitans that are not listed regularly in the State Registry, it is better to write alwyas "around one million" to avoid counting then not regular extra citizen..."

Is this guy a provoker or troll or something else?

I believe he is just ignorant.

Did he knows that people in Naples actually born usually in hospitals and childs are automatically registered in State Registry by doctors?

People that were unknown to State registry were common in '800 century, for matter of avoid taxations, and there were still random episodes of people that were unknown to State Registry upto 1940, maybe 1950.

Nowadays in Italy if parents refuse to declare a new child, is due to sure heavy mental disease problems, and sure these people are heavy disturbed.

Situations like discovering people not listed in State Registry are nowadays so uncommon in Italy that news like these hit all the press agencies and were discussed by all the media as very strange and curious news...

Perhaps it was discovered one case in Rome about two years ago when social services discovered a mental diseased woman that was 40 years old and never declared by her parents due to they believe it was a shame to have a daughter with mental illness.

Also it is important to mention that alien people present in Italy could often refuse to declare their new born childs to avoid being rejected from italian territory, but this is due to they are not informed of italian law.

Infacts the law in Italy protects the privacy of alien parents in order to preserve mainly the care and health of any new born child, and doctors in hospitals are allowed not to advice italian authorities, but they just register name and surname of the new born child, and his/her parents keeping intact their privacy.

But again the child is inscribed in lists of State Registry.

Do not take with ease the assumption that Italy is a "third world" nation, please, Italy is almost a civilized place, even with all its problems and its extremes.

Sincerely, --Raffaele Megabyte (talk) 12:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Panoramic picture needs to be flipped horizontally

That heading pretty much says it allWikilurk (talk) 02:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)wikilurk 31 Aug 09

City and metropolitan area

"Notable People"

Founding date

How do we describe all ?

Neapolitan Demonym

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Introduction

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Influence of organized crime

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Timeline of Naples

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article contains an offensive and unsourced comment about English fashion

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"Waste management issues"

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Waste Management/nuclear waste/Cammora being kept out of lede

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