Talk:Non-Hispanic whites

Why are Frisians subsumed unter Belgians? Belgians (including Frisians and Walloons) To my knowledge, Frisians hail from the Netherlands and Germany. Did it get mixed up with Flanders? Vollprofi (talk) 08:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

They're the 5th largest European-descended ethnic group in the US, and yet they are not included in the list of major white ethnic groups in the US between English and French, where they should be. They're nowhere in the lead. Can someone please re-instate this? A random IP came in an deleted any mention of Italian Americans months ago, and no one though to reinstate the deletions?: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Non-Hispanic_whites&diff=prev&oldid=1220992773. 104.181.148.164 (talk) 19:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Two statements on this page claim that the number in 2023 is estimated at 197,639,521, but the source for this statement (from Census.gov) does not have this number. Will be replacing with 2020 Census numbers. Alexysun (talk) 18:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

“ The Hispanic and Latino population has grown way faster than non-Hispanics”. The use of the word way here is informal. I don’t know if it’s against the rules but it comes off totally weird when you read it. 169.0.158.125 (talk) 17:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

It makes perfect sense to include mention of the colonial Spanish heritage in the US. “It was small” is a bit of a false point, as it multiplied relevantly over time and forms a notable part of the genotypic base in places like Florida, Louisiana, and New Mexico. Secondly, there needs to be some way of distinguishing between (i.e.) the Basque Americans in places like Idaho and the wider Inter-Mountain region, the Islenos from rural Louisiana, the Spanish immigrants to Hawaii, the descendants of Asturian zinc smelters and Northern Spanish granite quarry workers in Vermont - and the more recent Latin American migrations. The former groups are non-Hispanic White in that they have long spoken English, do not have the same “Latino” origin/ethno-genesis, and are assimilated into the “white European” American identity. These groups often identify with the Non-Hispanic White category, or are otherwise interchangeable with it because they lack ties to Latin America or recent ties to Spain. Luffaloaf (talk) 03:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

IMO other studies should be removed because small sample size, later debunked and vast overestimation of non-European admixture. Maybe thats the point though. Socahil959 (talk) 14:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

First, it's simply incorrect as "Non-Hispanic White" includes Italians, Poles, etc. (also people from near Asia and North Africa currently) these people are not of "Anglo-Saxon descent", and secondly the "Anglo" population of the United States is covered in other Articles i.e. "British Americans", "WASPs" etc. I understand that "Anglo" can be interpreted as "English Speaking", but there is room for misinterpretation due it's conflation.

Even in the "Anglo" page, the United States section currently requires a citation, stating: ""Anglo" is short for "Anglo American",[citation needed][dubious – discuss] is used as a synonym for non-Latino whites;". I think rather than making a lengthy paragraph or link, for a term the average person doesn't use it should simply be removed for more accurate terminology, especially on articles concerning how people identify for the Census. 2A02:C7E:5A64:2A00:8D83:6072:AC78:1CD8 (talk) 15:51, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

@Whynsome has repeatedly attempted to readd an enumeration of subpopulations, without sources, as in here. Being completely unsourced, it also is full of OR by claiming certain populations are especially significant, and that there was Significant migration of Jews. Unless a source specifically calls out these populations, it's blatant OR to add them. Per my previous edit summary, WP:BURDEN and WP:ONUS apply: get consensus before making the changes. EducatedRedneck (talk) 11:29, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

The text in the lead used to state: Continued growth since the early 19th century is attributed to sustained very high birth rates alongside relatively low death rates among settlers and natives alike as well as periodically massive immigration from European countries, especially Germany, Ireland, England, Italy, Greece, the Netherlands, France and Wales, as well as Poland, Russia, and many more countries..

It was reworded in this 2023 edit by an inexperienced editor to read: Continued growth since the early 19th century is attributed to sustained very high birth rates alongside relatively low death rates among settlers and natives alike. There has also been periodically massive immigration from European countries, especially Germany, Ireland, Italy, Greece, the Netherlands, France, as well as Poland, Russia, Norway, Finland, the Czech Republic, Portugal, Ukraine, and many more countries. Significant migration of Jews into the United States is also notable.

Notice how the revised wording slightly alters the context and also lacks support in the body. Since that change, there have been numerous drive-by edits to add to that list of countries, so that it ended up as Population growth since the early 19th century to the end of the 20th century is attributed to sustained high birth rates alongside relatively low death rates among settlers and natives alike. Population growth has slowed in the 21st century. There has also been periodic massive immigration from European and West Asian countries, especially Germany, Ireland, Italy, Greece, the Netherlands, France, as well as Poland, Russia, Lithuania, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, the Czech Republic, the countries that were a part of the former Ottoman Empire (Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria), Portugal, Serbia, Croatia, Hungary, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, and Iran. Significant migration of Jews of European, North African, and Middle Eastern descent into the United States is also notable. At that point, I removed the last two sentences in the paragraph.

Editors have not been trying to summarize the key points in the body of the article. Instead, it has been a magnet for people to add their preferred countries. I'd support a modified version of the lead to an unenumerated version: Population growth since the early 19th century to the end of the 20th century is attributed to sustained high birth rates alongside relatively low death rates among settlers and natives alike, as well as periodic mass immigration., but calling out specific countries is WP:UNDUE. Schazjmd (talk) 15:18, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

I'd support that. EducatedRedneck (talk) 15:28, 19 August 2026 (UTC)