Talk:Novosvitlivka refugee convoy attack

The Uragan BM-27 MLRS is in use by both the Ukrainian Army and the Novorossian forces. It is a Soviet designed and manufactured. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-27

The article talks about an Uragan missile system and leads to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system#3S90_.22Uragan.22 I sincerely doubt that a Russian NAVAL missile was used in the attack. 220.235.193.198 (talk) 14:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done Thanks very much. It has been fixed. RGloucester — ☎ 16:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

You should also remove the "Russian made" claim as if the Novorossians captured Ukrainian Army Uragans, they could be either Soviet or Ukrainian made.220.235.193.198 (talk) 00:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

 Not done I removed this for a moment. On more careful reading, the source does say "Russian-made" and the content in the article clearly qualifies that the information is on behalf of the Ukrainian position. Speculation on our behalves contravenes Wikipedia policy (WP:OR). Nevertheless, thanks for your input, 220.235.193.198. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The article starts with the definition of the event as an accident in which people were killed. The word "murder" does not occur in the article. No source call this murder. The categories are not appropriate.They will be removed unless strong arguments can be made why they should be in the article.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:50, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

• You can try to remove all articles from this category Category:Mass murder in 2014 with such description ("killed, not murdered"). All killings/murders are present in it (and in 2013, 2012 branches etc.) as of now. Try to discuss the renaming to Category:Mass killings in 2014 (if you want) instead of removing only some items of thousand similar. Murder is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse. Killings = murder, if we say about attack on refugees. 95.133.218.118 (talk) 15:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

  No, not at all. For example, 2014 Edmonton killings is clearly murder, and should stay in the category, at least as soon as the category exists. However, the article Novosvitlivka refugee convoy attack itself very clearly says this is not murder. You should take a dictionary and read the difference between "to kill" and "to murder", as I suggested to you elsewhere.--Ymblanter (talk) 23:34, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

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Novosvitlivka refugee convoy attack → 2014 Novosvitlivka refugee convoy attack – A lack of other notable attacks on refugee convoys in Novosvitlivka does not imply that a year is not necessary, factors such as how identifiable the incident does, and this incident does not appear to reach that level of notoriety. Please note that WP:NCWWW states that most events titles should say when, where, and what happened. Years are not WP:OVERPRECISION (please note that exceptions to the precision criterion are a result of the application of other naming criterion) or only usable for disambiguation (if this were the case, then part of NCWWW would be basically irrelevant, and guidelines and policies should work in harmony, not in opposition to one another). Readers should not be confused if there have been other notable attacks on refugee convoys in Novosvitlivka because if there had been, it should be mentioned and linked to in the article, like with the distinguish template. Please also note that for WP:NOYEAR to apply, you must establish that the event is as remotely as easily recognizable as the examples of no year events. A year is especially pertinent in this case given the ongoing conflict and the sheer number of attacks across Ukraine. Raskuly 🐰 03:43, 24 May 2026 (UTC)