Talk:Oliver Bearman

@MSport1005: this edit summary: Special:Diff/1212974504 is incorrect. The previous rational you are refering to (to justify specifing that he is known as "Ollie" in the lead) is "MOS:HYPOCORISM can't apply here as the article title is not "Ollie Bearman". This is no different to Toranosuke Takagi, Gianmaria Bruni or Jonathan Adam - to name a few." However the later rational edit you reverted mentions MOS:NOCKNAME. Nowhere in MOS:NICKNAME or does is specify (implicitly or explicilty) that it only applies one-way. Because it applies both ways, both when the article title is the nickname/hypocorism (for example Alexander Albon) and when it is the formal name (ie this article). MOS:NICKNAME states that we should only specify they go by that nickname when it is not a common English hypocorism. As Ollie is a common hypocorism of Oliver, I don't see why specifing Ollie is justified in the lead. As for your examples, Toranosuke Takagi and Gianmaria Bruni are different as they are not English hypocorisms (see the footnote in the nickname policy) and Jonathon Adam probably needs updating. SSSB (talk) 13:39, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

MOS:NICKNAME states that we should only specify they go by that nickname when it is not a common English hypocorism. - where? MOS:NICKNAME only states how uncommon nicknames are usually presented; nowhere does it say we should exclude common ones. And MOS:HYPOCORISM addresses the likes of Alex Albon or Nico Hülkenberg, not this. As I understand it, neither section deals with common hypocorisms that aren't the article title.

As Ollie is a common hypocorism of Oliver, I don't see why specifing Ollie is justified in the lead. - because everyone calls him that. They don't call him "Oli", or "Olli", or "Olly". Ollie Bearman is such a frequent (, , , , , , , , , ) variation of his name that, even if it doesn't warrant a page move, it has to be specified in the lead. Whether it's between double quotations or with "also known as Ollie Bearman" I ultimately don't mind, but I strongly believe mentioning it is necessary. MSport1005 (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Where? In MOS:NICKNAME which states "If a person is known by a nickname used in lieu of or in addition to a given name, and it is not a common hypocorism of one of their names, or a professional alias, it is usually presented between double quotation marks following the last given name or initial." (emphasis mine)

"As I understand it, neither section deals with common hypocorisms that aren't the article title." - MOS:NICKNAME doesn't specify common hypocorisms that are the article title, meaning it applies to all instances of common hypocorisms.

I understand where you are coming from with your second point (although saying everyone calls him that is really pushing it at this time) so I think I am going to agree to disagree and allow you to keep specifing Ollie. SSSB (talk) 15:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Any ideas why the article repeatedly refers to him as "The Brit", seems like a weird highly Americanised thing to do? And not something I have ever seen with other biographies before? What is wrong with just using his name etc 82.36.67.206 (talk) 16:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I assume that it is used to avoid using "Bearman" in every sentence. But it does seem a strange way of doing it. It reads like we are emphasising his nationality which isn't perticulary relevant. I think we should change all of these to either "he" or "Bearman". SSSB (talk) 16:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

It says that Ollie was born in Havering, London in his 'personal life' bit, but in his infobox, it says he was born in Chelmsford, Essex. Which is correct? Should they be changed to the same birthplace? Bibi on wiki (talk) 09:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Just noticed it's been added. However, it's not specified the places he came, do I need to specify them or leave it as is? Editor00744 (talk) 09:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The position in the Grand Prix is specified in the results tables. However, the prose could be supplemented. More emphasis should be placed on how he performed rather than simply "he qualified xth and finished in xth." SSSB (talk) 09:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Reopening this as nothing has changed since the 2024 comment. Bearman's profiles at Formula 1, Ferrari, Haas and WH Sports (his management agency) all state he was born in Chelmsford. His website lists Chelmsford as his "hometown". However, the first line of his personal life section here says he was born "born [...] in Havering, London" — it cites three refs. One (Formula 3) says nothing about Havering and thus fails WP:V. The other two require subscription. Any thoughts? MSport1005 (talk) 17:07, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Only the Telegraph article mentions Havering. "... born in the London borough of Havering in 2005 ... He grew up in Chelmsford..." Doing a search to find other WP:RS mentioning Havering comes up with almost nothing reliable outside of that article. The overwhelming majority of RS now say Chelmsford, which I would personally go with. • Quinn (talk • it/its) 22:35, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

And I suspect much of what comes up online linking him to Havering, such as this or this, is circular reporting. I'd also go with Chelmsford. MSport1005 (talk) 03:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

I have a copy of Oliver Bearman’s birth certificate.

He was born at :-

Harold Wood Hospital

Harold Wood

London Borough of Havering

on 8th May 2005

SIMPLE

If you choose to ignore the facts that is your (and Wikipedia’s) problem. Dadam999 (talk) 16:58, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

WP:Verifiability is a key policy. "I personally know it, so it must be true" doesn't work. • Quinn (talk • it/its) 17:02, 9 August 2026 (UTC)