Talk:One Direction/Archive 4

Analyzing this article and answering questions for a specific course

Where does the information come from? Are these neutral sources? If biased, is that bias noted?

The information on the article comes from more than 180 online sources and a handful of publications. Most of the sources are neutral as they come from official music chart records and/or newspapers. Yet, some of them come from social media sources and blogs such as "The Hollywood Reporter"^[1] , "Daily Mail"^[2] and "Telegraph"^[3] which are known for their biases on celebrity lifestyles. Yet, in this specific case, these sites are used to support the earlier history of the band when they were on X-Factor and retell the events that occurred. Some bias was noted, not by the writer, but in referencing the style of the band and citing sources which critique the band in relation to Justin Bieber. This was found under the tab "Image" of the article.

Check a few citations. Do the links work? Is there any close paraphrasing or plagiarism in the article?

I checked a few of the citations and all of the links did work. The majority of them were for online newspapers and music outlets such as "Billboard." From what I noted, there is slight similarities in the wording but nothing I can consider to be as plagiarism. The writer did a good job at making the words their own while at the same time referencing to the sources they used. They also did a good job at citing their sources correctly.

Jessyyx (talk) 01:03, 25 January 2017 (UTC) Jessyyx (talk) 02:04, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

^[1] On December 10, 2016, Louis Tomlinson debuted his new single "Just Hold On" featuring Steve Aoki on The X Factor UK.

Carlahernandez (talk) 21:42, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

This would be more appropriate to the Louis Tomlinson article as specific to him rather than the group. Keith D (talk) 22:22, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

I have one queation .... How he can be in past members bc of leaving modest past year when all nearly all members left the modest ... They are on hitaus... The fact that they are doing the exact same thing and harry is said to be past member bc of thing which Liam did too is beyond me ... Could anyone edit it right please? TeryStyles (talk) 18:11, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Someone filled in Harry Styles as a past meme we but this is false information and not confirmed. Can someone have ability to edit to change that to current member? Victorialiguori (talk) 22:59, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Harry needs to be put back into the current members category because he isn't the only one that signed with another record label. They are on hiatus, so it makes no sense that you do that. Please change it. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:68CA:BE00:256E:AC63:617C:11AE (talk) 03:55, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

| Current_members =

• Niall Horan
• Liam Payne
• Harry Styles
• Louis Tomlinson

| Past_members =

• Zayn Malik — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annoned (talk • contribs) 10:18, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Please make Harry Styles go back to the members list because he is still very much a part of the band and doing his own thing currently just like the other members. Thanks. Girlalmighty17 (talk) 11:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:16, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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Harry Styles needs to be put back into the current members category. 2606:6000:68CA:BE00:256E:AC63:617C:11AE (talk) 03:52, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Done  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  08:15, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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It put Harry Styles as a past member even though he is still part of One Direction. Change Harry Styles from past members to current members. Ilovepies (talk) 21:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Done  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  08:16, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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The thing is One Direction are still a boyband, but the wiki page shows 'were' . They are on a hiatus. They haven't disbanded. So I request you to change the text from 'were' to 'are'. DirectionerEditing (talk) 05:07, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: The infobox and text of the article clearly indicate the status of "on hiatus". The use of "were" versus "are" does not define their status. Historically, pop groups "on hiatus" for over two years are not actively producing music as a group so the use of "were" in the lede sentence is accurate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:41, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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1d aren't together anymore 82.42.112.140 (talk) 15:24, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:45, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: ^[1] 82.42.112.140 (talk) 06:28, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Your reference fails to verify your claim. The first paragraph of that article states: "...all signs suggest that One Direction is actually over, possibly for good."emphasis added This is certainly not an official announcement of a break-up and does not significantly differ from the ambiguous status reflected in the article. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:25, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

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I added it to the lead. According to Agence France-Presse, 50 million (2017).

Previously, Evening Standard had it at 45 million (2015) CC. @EleniSpelmen:. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 05:08, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

@Cornerstonepicker: Evening Standard article at least was really about sales. This new one is just not about that at all. It is so random. Ok, I get it now. You can add it again. I will not change it. But Evening Standart article was way better. I would stay with it before someone will release something like that again. + article from 2015 reported sales only to the end of 2014. Without a lot sales from Four, without huge Drag me Down, Perfect and Made in the A.M. And it is too low for 2017 having only +5 million. I hope you understand why I was not agree with this information.

The first sentence should read “One Direction are...” as per wp:eng:var and wp:ties

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i would like to change something. LemonCake10 (talk) 16:45, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. General Ization ^Talk 16:46, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, please do. Emma0517 (talk) 03:36, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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"One Direction (commonly abbreviated as 1D) is an". Please change is to was, as the band is no more and all of its former members are now solo artists. https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2016/10/26/4-of-the-5-one-direction-members-now-officially-have-solo-deals/#5afcd08f4b8d Jeremiahjthomson03 (talk) 13:12, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: The group has not broken up but is rather on hiatus. While the two often effectively mean the same in terms of outcome, "break-up" typically indicates a sense of permanence while "hiatus" indicates that the members are taking an extended break but may re-form at any time. Articles for other groups that are also officially on hiatus (such as LMFAO, fun., and the Black Eyed Peas) also use the present tense in the first sentence, and we will continue to do the same here. LifeofTau 16:58, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

One Direction (commonly abbreviated as 1D) is an English-Irish pop boy band composed of Niall Horan, Liam Payne, Harry Styles, Louis Tomlinson, and previously, Zayn Malik until his departure from the band on 25 March 2015. The group signed with Simon Cowell's record label Syco Records after being formed on the X-Factor in 2010. They became a band on July, 23, 2010 at 8:44pm Propelled to international success by social media, One Direction's five albums, Up All Night (2011), Take Me Home (2012), Midnight Memories (2013), Four (2014), and Made in the A.M. (2015), topped charts in most major markets, and generated hit singles including "What Makes You Beautiful", "Live While We're Young", "Little Things", "Best Song Ever", "Story of My Life", "Drag Me Down" and "Perfect". Their awards include six Brit Awards, four MTV Video Music Awards, eleven MTV Europe Music Awards, seven American Music Awards (including Artist of the Year in 2014 and 2015), and 28 Teen Choice Awards, among many others. According to Nick Gatfield, the chairman and chief executive of Sony Music Entertainment UK, One Direction represented a $50 million business empire by June 2012. They were proclaimed 2012's "Top New Artist" by Billboard.[1] According to the Sunday Times Rich List, by April 2013, they had an estimated personal combined wealth of £25 million ($41.2m) making them the second-wealthiest musicians in the UK under 30 years of age.[2] In 2014, Forbes listed them the second-highest earning celebrities under 30, with the group earning an estimated $75 million from June 2013 to June 2014.[3] In June 2015, Forbes listed their earnings at $130 million for the previous twelve months,[4] and ranked them the fourth highest earning celebrities in the world.[5] In 2016 Forbes ranked them the world's second highest earning celebrities.[6] After the release of Four, One Direction became the first band in the US Billboard 200 history to have their first four albums debut at number one.[7] Their third album, Midnight Memories, was the best-selling album worldwide of 2013.[8] The band's Where We Are Tour in support of Midnight Memories and Four, was the highest-grossing concert tour in 2014, and the highest-grossing tour ever by a vocal group, generating $282 million.[9] In 2014, Billboard named One Direction Artist of the Year.[10][11] The band went on hiatus in January 2016, allowing all members to pursue other projects.[12][13][14] In just over five years together they have sold more than 70 million records, have achieved over 100 number ones and performed to over 10 million fans worldwide.[15] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1900:7730:C5A7:8634:4BEC:7ABE (talk) 00:17, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

The first sentence has been changed to past-tense again, which (as has been stated here) isn't appropriate for a band on hiatus (regardless of the length of that hiatus and regardless of solo careers). If the article uses British English, the sentence should read "One Direction are..." (I'm new here, apologies if I'm not making this request properly!)Muldermouse (talk) 17:51, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

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69.1.16.201 (talk) 13:59, 24 June 2019 (UTC) add Harry Styles, Niall Horan Louis Tomlinson & Liam Payne to past members.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. VictorTorres2002 (talk) 14:23, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

one direction is going to be coming back to us on May 17, 2020 and Zayn Malik will be joining them on that reunion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.89.161.53 (talk) 19:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Give a reliable source for that information. Brown Chocolate (talk) 03:25, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

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harry's full name is harriold 103.47.34.97 (talk) 06:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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Second sentence: it should be "The group is" NOT "The group are". Group must be SINGULAR in this specific case. "The group" cannot be referring to "the members of the group" because, the members of the group cannot be "composed of" themselves. 4.30.96.170 (talk) 23:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Harry Styles Liam Louis maker Laura Benitez Mine Best Friend Harry Styles Liam Louis maker — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C3:8002:3BA0:BD23:3591:A6C8:ED50 (talk) 17:24, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't get this it's just a list of names, what do you want to change exactly DanTheMusicMan2 (talk) 11:30, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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180.210.181.238 (talk) 06:30, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Dont say that zayn is a past member!

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jack Frost (talk) 08:41, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

It should say Zayn is a past member, as he officially left the band on March 25th, 2015 by statement to Facebook. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14F:4400:33A0:3CD9:B593:C277:ADF2 (talk) 20:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

The fan base of One Direction call themselves 'Directioners'. Directioners are extremely dedicated fans whose main priority is to make sure the four/five boys are happy. But they are what we call clowns, they are mainly teenagers who obsess of 5 grown men and refer to them as cute and babies even though they are like twice their age. They show their love for these men on all social platforms, ever creating a "one direction side of "tik tok" which showcase things like one direction concerts, video diaries, edits and inside jokes that only the fandom would get. They have a strong hatred towards Simon Cowell and modest for all that they supposedly put them through. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazlynfulton (talk • contribs) 04:33, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

One direction is an amazing band that got put together on the X Factor there are four members Niall Horan, Louis Tomlinson , Harry styles and Liam Payne and band members Zayn Malike left the band in 2015 all amazing artists and now they have solo careers they say they will get back together in 2020 and here I am whating at home it is 13/10/2020 still whating for them to get back together I love ❤️ one direction and can I just say they all have amazing voices and ya love you one direction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1DLarry28 (talk • contribs) 13:11, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

So I was reading through the band's history and when I got to the 2015-2019 section the entirety of the discussion covering the departure of Zayn Malik was "On 25 March 2015, the band released a statement announcing Malik's departure." and that's it. There seems to be no prelude, no examination of why he left and no details regarding the feelings of everyone involved.

Literally the titles in the references section shed more light on the situation than the wikipedia article itself:

141 "One Direction: Zayn Malik Confirms Departure From Band"

143 "Zayn Malik Explains One Direction Exit: 'I Have To Do What Feels Right in My Heart'"

144 "One Direction Discusses Zayn Malik's Departure with James Corden: We Were a Little Bit Angry"

Considering how big Zayn's departure was for the band I feel like it could use some expanding and examination.

Krysox (talk) 09:43, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I feel that this is a very significant aspect to the article that is currently missing greatly. It might even be worth a separate page, although it's probably too late to compile all the departure information, unless? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 09:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

I mean even a brief cursory look at what happened would be better than the nothing that exists right now right? As it stands I think the article doesn't even mention one of the biggest reasons the band eventually split up. Setting that as the goal there is more than enough information to do at least a superficial examination of why he left. --Krysox (talk) 01:16, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

In the section titled 2020: 10 Years of One Direction in the second paragraph, the word relieve is used while relive would be the appropriate word given the context of the sentence.

Additionally, in the same sentence in the segment "but it soon crashed shortly after its announcement", the word 'soon' is redundant and should be omitted from the sentence, like so: "but it crashed shortly after its announcement..." Allwordnoplay (talk) 19:34, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

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The British- Irish boyband consisted of Niall Horan, Harry Styles, Louis Tomlinson, Liam Payne and former member Zayn Malik Happy malfoy (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Change Zayn’s status and also mention that the band is in hiatus instead of saying that they broke up. Idontthinkyouneedmyname (talk) 07:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Under the 'image' section, there is a quote from The Daily Telegraph that lists the "five boys" as "whiter-than-white." While the "whiter-than-white" descriptor would be okay if it had only listed four boys, or Niall, Louis, Liam, and Harry, it includes all five. Zayn Malik is Pakistani, and I feel as though this quote should be changed to a different one, or at least have the "whiter-than-white" descriptor cut out to avoid white-washing Zayn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:5001:4850:1598:5D26:24C:AC54 (talk) 03:30, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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zayn left 25th march 82.38.11.137 (talk) 17:14, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:51, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I edited the page cause 3 major reliable sources already confirmed that they have sold over 200 million records worldwide which would make them one of the best selling artists in general of all time Moonlight Entm (talk) 23:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

How do you explain this BBC source saying 50 million, and this other BBC source saying 70 million, both published in 2020 when the band wasn't selling any new material? From these examples you can see that "reliable sources" aren't really reliable for every single fact. Each fact must be assessed for its reliability in context, per WP:CONTEXTMATTERS.

Back in 2016 when the band was done with its string of hits, Billboard said that they had sold 7.6 million total albums in the US, and about 17 million total singles. That would be about 25 million "records" sold in the US, which is a major chunk of the band's total sales. Billboard is a very, very reliable source for US sales, and the context in the published piece is completely devoted to getting the number right. After 2016, the band's sales slowed drastically. Their current totals would be close to 2016 totals. So the number 200 million is a ridiculous fabrication, unreliable in every way. Binksternet (talk) 03:36, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Their label one of the most powerful and famous labels of all time Sony Music just confirmed it and you think is a ridiculous fabrication? Other sources like independent uk and refinery 29 confirmed it too, and one direction was the biggest boyband in the world, they were not local, and they for sure sold more in the US than just 25M, one of their tours basically grossed more than 200M+, i explained that BBC doesn't what they are talking about, how do you explain that they said in one article that they sold 50M and then in other article 70M? Nonsense, it's easier to believe prestigious and reliable labels than other source Moonlight Entm (talk) 18:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

That billboard sales analysis was in 2016, 5 years ago, none of those sales are updated Moonlight Entm (talk) 18:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

The band has been inactive for five years. Sales figures from five years ago are still relevant. Basically, there is nothing to update.

Touring is completely different than physical sales. In this discussion, it doesn't matter how much 1D made at concerts.

We are never taking the band's label as a reliable source for sales. They have a vested interest in making the band look good, and they are very likely to inflate the numbers. We can use the label for release dates and updates of band status.

There have been many discussions about grossly inflated sales figures supplied in otherwise reliable sources. One of these discussions took place at Talk:Janet_Jackson#How_many_millions_sold?_Revisiting_the_math. Jackson's label was claiming 180 million (as published in otherwise reliable sources) but the math could support no more than 100 million, which is already somewhat inflated. So we stuck with the lower number, despite having the higher number appear in reliable sources.

The dedicated Wikipedia crew working at the list article List of best-selling music artists has been keeping very close track of all the various claims for sales, and they have established that One Direction has not reached 75 million in unit sales. If you want to argue sales higher than 70 million, you should take your concerns to Talk:List of best-selling music artists. They will tell you about the methodology for listing sales figures. Binksternet (talk) 18:34, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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Net worth AlishaRocks123 (talk) 03:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 04:42, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Instead of giving the time period till 2010 - 2016(On Indefinite Hiatus) Set it as 2010 - Recent (On Hiatus) Because they have already updated their label with SME . GeneralD01 (talk) 15:10, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

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Change the tense to past since it's no longer a band. UnseriousCat (talk) 01:51, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Per the article, they are on hiatus. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

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Under the '2020: 10 Years of One Direction' subheading of the 'History' section there is a spelling mistake in the sentence reading "The hashtag "10YearsofOneDiretion" started trending 1st on Twitter" - the hashtag should read "10YearsofOneDirection" DoughboyDM (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:35, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

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One Direction is an English-Irish pop boy band 1Edition (talk) 09:32, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:25, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

The one direction dont exist deja de buscarlos de una puta vez:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.145.64.20 (talk) 18:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

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I have three proposed changes. The lede says:

one of the best-selling boy bands of all time

Please remove "of all time". It is sensationalist original research and violates WP:TONE. We can say that OneDir are a best-selling boy band in the last 30 years or even (thanks to population growth) a best-selling boy band in the last 200 years but has the contributor making claims about the boy bands "of all time" really performed exhaustive research of the ancient boy bands of Aristotle's era, Tutankhamen's retinue, Cro-Magnon Man's rock concerts, etc.? Wikipedia editors simply are not authorities on what applies across all time past and future; even if Stephen Hawkins edits here, WP:CRYSTALBALL forbids making broad speculations about the entirety of future time. Further to that, "one of the best" is weasel words; if there are 30 students in a class, the shortest one is still one of the 100 tallest members of that class due to set theory. To fix this, we need to say that OneDir are within the top 10 (or whatever) best-selling boy bands. Or that OneDir were listed by XYZ reference as having made in excess of 45m sales - a claim only ten boy bands can make. (See this table for where I got 10 from).

the group got together for two weeks to get to know each other and to practice.

In Standard English as spoken by the English in England, practise is a verb and practice is a noun. This is the same pattern that applies to devise being a verb and device being a noun, advise/advice, etc. etc. etc. In foreign regional dialects such as spoken in America, practice is a verb! In the excerpt I quote, "practice" (how the noun is spelt) is being used as a verb. Since we are using English English on this article, please fix this to practise (how the verb is spelt).

In 2015, One Direction appeared in an advert for the Toyota Vios. the commercial aired in Thailand.

If that full-stop is not part of the "Vios." brand, it is disrupting this group of words. We either need "In 2015, One Direction appeared in an advert for the Toyota Vios which aired in Thailand." (turn it into one sentence) or "In 2015, One Direction appeared in an advert for the Toyota Vios. The commercial aired in Thailand." (turn it into two sentences) but not "Sentence. sentence." Much appreciated. 49.179.31.218 (talk) 08:15, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Partly done: Hi IP, welcome to Wikipedia! I have reviewed your edit request and made some edits. I'll list in order.

1. I don't see "of all time" is problematic when it is a fact. One Direction is one of the best selling boy bands of all time, this is backed up in multiple citations and independent sources, so WP:NOR doesn't apply. I also don't see how it violates WP:TONE. One Direction is one of the best selling boy bands of all recorded time. Digital media didn't exist 200 years ago, so quite simply no other boy band even stood a chance of having the reach of One Direction. Re WP:CRYSTALBALL, it is expected all time as in being all time up to now, not into the future. If they ever get overtaken, this article will be updated accordingly. I am happy to update the wording but not for the reasons provided. I agree that they are weasel words, which is all that needed to be said, but I don't see it as majorly problematic, as the issues raised would still be there if I put "one of the top X selling boy bands of all time". If you can propose an exact edit you want to be made, you can submit another request.
2. "practice -> practise" -  Done
3. vios typo  Done

In future edit requests, please try not to over-explain simple requests as we often have quite a few to go through, saying "there is a typo here, please correct it" would've sufficed - you only need to go into great detail if somebody disputes it. Thank you again for pointing out these issues, and welcome :) ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 02:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: brevity, I usually edit the article directly. Protection blocks this. An inaccessible LastPass vault prevents me accessing my WP credentials. So now I IPA edit. I do apologise for the overhead. Often editors and watchers defend articles from change for their own personal motivations and only a thorough edit-summary or verbose justification in a Talk page will prevent them declaring a reversion war, whereupon I shrug and just read another article. Maybe it's a bad habit, but it's an artefact of the process.

Re: time. That life on Earth is determined by amino acids is a state that apples "throughout history". That life on Earth might be encoded by digital and quantum states is a possibility that lies "in the future". That ordered energy (and thereby matter) ultimately degrade to entropic heat is a fundamental "of all time". Few would argue that all time only applies to history for the same reason few would argue that all the different points on a compass point in the same One Direction.

Re: tone.

Encyclopedic writing has a fairly academic approach, while remaining clear and understandable. Formal tone means that the article should not be written using argot, slang, colloquialisms, doublespeak, legalese, or jargon

It may be that such sensationalist hyperbole is popular in attention-seeking entertainment such as tabloids or the playground but within a formal academic context being honest and accurate is simply a higher priority than stretching the truth to be eye-catching.

I've made my case. I believe you can see my perspective. If you disagree with it, that's fine. It's an informative article; it's just unprofessional in its exaggeration. With this discussion here someone's bound to read it and fix the article sooner or later to remove "of all time". 49.179.171.149 (talk) 04:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

If the statement "of all time" is not to be removed, it is essential that sources are cited stating it as one of the best. Instead, the article could say "one of the best-selling" or more specifically, "one of the best of their generation."Malamushu (talk) 21:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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Grammar mistake in opening section. "The group are composed of" change to "The group is composed of". 80.114.171.238 (talk) 00:02, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done Lightoil (talk) 00:06, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

• It's been 7 years now. I think enough time has passed to move all the members to the past members slot on the template on the front of the page. 184.103.219.15 (talk) 02:59, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. They are still on indefinite hiatus and have not disbanded yet. Lightoil (talk) 03:51, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

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In the section related to Pokemon, I need to fix the broken link to generations. Generationfixer1d (talk) 18:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Lightoil (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi! Just a little message for this article, there is nothing talking about the 2012 lawsuits for the name "One Direction" 1, 2, 3, 4 i don't know bout you in english wikipedia but i think, its a bit important to talk bout it.. what do you think? Thank for your future answers ! :) Datsofelija (talk) 15:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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Remove the last sentence of the History section: "However, he had mended fences with his members by 2023, and even met with Horan shortly before his death.[172]". Neither part of this sentence is supported (or mentioned) in reference [172]. If not prepared to remove, then a different citation is needed. SafetyDance151 (talk) 08:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 09:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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Can you please let Zayn and Liam be seperated, like they left in different ways yk, pls, liek write (deceased) or sth Amelia1d (talk) 11:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Already done by another user. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 11:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

History "One Direction were the last contestant" ...Were the last contestants, surely? 81.105.46.48 (talk) 14:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

One Direction has not meaningfully existed as a group for over 8 years. I know that editors have historically argued that "indefinite hiatus" does not mean that the band has broken up, but they seem to be broken up for all practical intents and purposes. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Especially with the current discussion about whether Liam should be moved to "Current members". Tragically, he cannot be a current member because he passed away. That said, it doesn't seem like there are any current members of 1D, and as their hiatus was officially announced, I think it makes most sense to structure the article as if the project is not active (past tense, showing membership by year range instead of "current"/"former", etc). Thesixthstaff (talk) 17:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I've moved all members to "past members" Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

The text “The group consisted of Niall Horan, Harry Styles, Louis Tomlinson, Zayn Malik until his departure in 2015, and Liam Payne, until his death in 2024.” is incorrect. It implies that the group consisted of along others Liam Payne, until his death. This is incorrect. The group disbanded long before his death. His death was not a reason for the group not consisting of him anymore. The disbandment of the group was the reason for that. Grimey2k (talk) 12:06, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@Grimey2k: Please see the discussion above. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@14.0.158.69 Don't manually removed contents and disguised it to archive and use the RfC as an excuse for your unreasonable reasons. Then archiver bot shouldn't place here if we can just manually archive every discussion here. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 08:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Archive can be done by either manual or bot. what's the problem? 14.0.158.69 (talk) 08:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

This page is set up for automatic archiving by lowercase sigmabot III (talk · contribs), please leave archiving to that bot. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Correct and some of it can be useful for other user who will visit this talk page so they will not repeat the same edit requests over and over because of the recent events. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 08:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

On talk pages that generate significant amounts of discussion, old discussions are often archived to keep the size of the talk page at a manageable level. This may be done either manually or with the help of a bot. An archive box with links to the discussion archives is normally placed at the top of the current talk page. per WP:TP. We need the size of the talk page at a manageable level therefore manual archive. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 09:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

And as per WP:ARCHIVE: "..The talk page guidelines suggest archiving when the talk page exceeds 75 KB (or 75,000 bytes).."

The current size of this talk page (excluding this reply) is at 32.9 KB, so yeah this talk page is at manageable level. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 09:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

you missed the statement "or has multiple resolved or stale discussions." therefore i can do manual archive. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 09:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64 The IP user removed the content again but I reverted it back, and they also re-created the Talk:One Direction/Archive 5. What to do with their behavior? 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 09:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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14.0.158.69 (talk) 09:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64 Can i at least manual archive some of the sections but not all on 17 oct? for people to see the RfC without scroll down. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 09:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

No, please leave it alone, you are now well into WP:ANEW territory, specifically Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:14.0.158.69 reported by User:Windborne Rider (Result: ) although that heading will change if a result is agreed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I understand and will leave it alone. Please scroll down every single time when visiting this page. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 10:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Can I manual archive some of the old discussion?

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Can I at least manual archive some of the discussions but not all on 17 oct? for people to see the RfC without scrolling down. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 10:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Please stop using the {{help me}} template and await the replies from other editors who follow the discussions on the talk page. Sam Sailor 10:04, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

can you help me with the question then? thank you. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 10:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Since you asked my opinion: no, I don't think there is a need for manually archiving here. MizraBot will do its job in due course according to the settings. Sam Sailor 10:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

The answer to your question is a very clear NO. The archiver bot is doing its job. You should not interfere. Maproom (talk) 16:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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 Not done: Don't see discussion regarding these purported issues Cannolis (talk) 03:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Request to edit please 51.37.237.175 (talk) 17:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Not an admin, but the way this template works is that an administrator will do the edit for you if the request is approved. You should edit your request to describe the changes you want to make. Thesixthstaff (talk) 18:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Last sentence of the second paragraph needs to be changed.

Current: "With the release of Four, One Direction became the first band have their first four albums debut at number one on the US Billboard 200 chart."

Should be changed to: "With the release of Four, One Direction became the first band to have their first four albums debut at number one on the US Billboard 200 chart." Tmh2176 (talk) 01:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Tmh2176: I had to look very carefully, but it seems that it's simply a missing "to" between "band" and "have". With that I agree, so  Done --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you :)! Tmh2176 (talk) 21:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Would it be possible to crop the infobox picture? Zayn and Liam are both on the right hand side and they aren't members anymore, so the picture could be cropped to just the three remaining members. Immaterialperson (talk) 22:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Immaterialperson: I don't think that would be a good idea. For bands that are no longer active, infobox pictures usually show the most representative lineup, and for 1D this would be prior to the departure of Malik. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd be opposed to that since One Direction haven't yet publicly continued as a trio, hence the discussions above about current vs past members. Even for bands that have continued through member losses, i.e. Pink Floyd, showing all members can be more valuable to the reader in my opinion. Miklogfeather (talk) 13:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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I suggest that you add the following text mention Liam Payne as a founding member of one direction who has sadly passed away but will be forever remembered for his contributions 2A02:C7C:CBC6:9700:F5FE:4031:74F5:1F59 (talk) 18:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Please see WP:NOTMEMORIAL, also the discussion above. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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Liam Payne should be moved back to the members list, seeing as the band isn’t together anymore anyway. He died a member of 1D and it isn’t fair to rip that away from him. He earned that. There is an uproar or angry fans all over social media who want this changed. 72.39.1.69 (talk) 14:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit protected}} template. this is under discussion above. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Can the attendance of the four remaining boys at Payne's funeral be mentioned after the mention of the lack of a reunion before his passing? 172.126.220.132 (talk) 02:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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Louis Tomlinson, Harry Styles and Niall Horan are not past members, they are current members May Keay (talk) 17:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@May Keay:  Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Please see previous discussions above, particularly those at "Membership list" and "RfC: Band status and members in the infobox". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree I believe they should be listed as current members as well as Zayn Malik as he can be seen in official statements by One Direction which shows how he is once again part of the group. Maybe something along the lines of “the members included Louis Tomlinson, Zayn Malik, Liam Payne, Niall Horan, and Harry Styles. The band went on an indefinite hiatus after Mailk’s Departure in 2015. After the death of Liam Payne One Direction included Zayn in an official statement by the members of the band” Lovers4ever9 (talk) 23:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

See discussion above, where a consensus has been reached to refer to them as former members, as well as referring to the band in past tense. HorrorLover555 (talk) 18:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

One Direction. Formed 2025 in 2025 2C0F:F4C0:20A4:67A8:B5E7:3212:38D7:99E2 (talk) 11:19, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

 Not done, unclear what you mean. The band has not been active since 2016. jolielover♥talk 02:04, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

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"Past members" into "members" 2A00:23C7:1A2:3901:F47C:ECCB:CFC8:79C1 (talk) 15:23, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: The group disbanded and all members parted their own ways, therefore making it past members. Valorrr (talk) 15:28, 23 March 2025 (UTC)