Talk:Pokémon Go/Archive 2

The Official Twitter tweeted that Pokemon Go is released in UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.81.30.16 (talk) 08:48, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

• Because of this and the release in Germany a day ago, should we just go with July 13, 2016, as the EU release in the infobox? The vgrelease documentation says that UK dates in the infobox "should only be used if a release is exclusive to that country or there is a large difference in the release date. In most cases use first EU date instead of UK.", which just happened here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 10:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I'd assume so, yes. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I think that works fine, yeah. Additionally, a {{refn}} could be used to explain the staggered release despite the infobox showing the date for the earliest one. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 10:46, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:12, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

As another option, we could use the software infobox, as this isn't really a traditional game. It would solve the issue of the release date, and have other relevant info that the video game one doesn't, such as support for languages and the release version. I added an example on the right, thoughts? Just adding this in case the current way remains controversial (it was at first). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 11:16, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) We can collapse the release dates, if that's what you wanted to achieve. IMO the note does enough. To collapse it, use:

{{Collapsible list

| title = {{Video game release||July 6, 2016}}

| titlestyle = font-weight:normal;background:transparent;text-align:left;

| {{vgrelease new|AUS|July 6, 2016|US|July 6, 2016|EU|July 13, 2016|JP|July 2016|CAN|July 2016}}

}}

Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:28, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that's possible too. We would still have to add Canada and Japan (we normally wouldn't add Japan for non-Japansed developed games. However, for such a globally popular game, and one that has its origins in Japan, we should make an exception). So when it's finally released worldwide, that's five different regions represented. I edited your example to show what it would look like when complete. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 11:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Plus the note, that'll need to be included somewhere. {{refn|group=note|name=EU Release|''Pokémon Go'' was released at different dates in [[Europe]]. It was first released in Germany on July 13, 2016 and then in the United Kingdom on July 14.}} Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

With the staggered roll out playing havoc with typical infobox convention here, might I suggest we list the earliest date only, and include a jump link to the release section, where we can put a more verbose table of regions and dates. -- ferret (talk) 20:15, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, we should be using the collapsible list template now. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:51, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

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The source that is next to the text "The concept for the game was conceived in 2014 by Satoru Iwata of Nintendo and Tsunekazu Ishihara of The Pokémon Company as an April Fools' Day collaboration with Google, called Pokémon Challenge." does not support the claim made in the article. The CNET article given only confirms the existence of Pokemon Challenge, not the connection with Pokemon GO.

Please add this official video as a source to that claim instead, and change the year to 2013. The exact part where they talk about Pokemon Challenge inspiring Pokemon Go is around the 3:30 minute mark. Thank you. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 06:40, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

The video was uploaded in 2014 though, meaning the Nintendo E3 video is mistaken. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps it's due to the planning for the Pokemon Challenge prank spanning from some point in 2013 to April 2014? The CNET source does not support the assertion currently in the article. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 08:39, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't really deal with the {{wide image}} template, but someone who has may want to play around a bit with browser window size, mobile view, and mobile-app view. I haven't checked the third, but the first two (depending on resolution) wind up with about half the world shown and a horizontal scroll bar, which isn't ideal.

Maybe there is a better way to display this image? A simple centered [[File:]] seems like it would work alright.

I would also suggest considering reducing the content of the caption and adding it as a footnote. An extended list of two dozen or so countries seems a bit excessive. TimothyJosephWood 14:36, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Not trying to be lazy, but I have a strong suspicion I will horribly break the template if I try to mess around with it. TimothyJosephWood 14:38, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

@Timothyjosephwood: I played around with it a bit and moved the long-list of countries to a note and replaced the text with "Most of Europe" to simplify things. Also reduced the image size by 100px. Does it work better now? It doesn't seem like [[File:]] and {{Legend}} jive (at least they didn't when I tested it) so {{wide image}} is the best thing we can use at the moment to my knowledge. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 15:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Another group has claimed responsibility for another Pokemon GO hack, as seen here: http://www.pcmag.com/news/346190/hackers-we-attacked-pokemon-go-servers -- Gestrid (talk) 19:04, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

The official rendering of this game's name appears to be "Pokémon GO" - the article should be renamed. 194.106.220.84 (talk) 17:36, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

MOS:CAPS and MOS:TM dictate otherwise. -- ferret (talk) 17:41, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I've added a "stylized as" note, as seen in many other Wikipedia articles when there's difference between MOS and the way something is stylized. -- Gestrid (talk) 19:11, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm sure by now may of you have heard about how to get Pikachu as your starter. Should this be included as an Easter egg (not a how-to guide, an Easter egg)? -- Gestrid (talk) 19:06, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Sauce? TimothyJosephWood 21:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Not really, per WP:GAMECRUFT. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:55, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

When the article dies down in popularity and edit rate, this wouldn't be too hard to get up to GA. The references are there, all that needs to be done is write it out. I'd be willing to say it's almost there now, but it'd probably fail due to it being released last week and the article isn't stable. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:58, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Any word on if it will become unprotected before then? :) --211.30.17.74 (talk) 00:36, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

The current semi-protection expires on July 28. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:38, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 00:47, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I believe the article right now will become unprotected in about two weeks, but yesterday when the last protection expired, there was tons of immediate vandalism and it was reprotected. You should consider registering an account and getting more acquainted with WP generally if you are interested in editing these kinds of articles. TimothyJosephWood 00:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

'These kinds of articles'... do you mean popular articles? video game articles? Is there any chance that pending changes might be trialled at some point rather than semi-protection? I have considered registering an account, but I don't want to make that level of commitment at this time. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 00:47, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

There's no real commitment in making an account fwiw. All that's required is an email address (it can be a throwaway one for all we know). You actually have more security with one than without since then no one can readily see IP and trace it. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I meant popular ones. They are more likely to need protection due to their popularity. Also, as Cyclone said above, an account can be more secure. Right now I can see your IP and can almost certainly tell in about 30 seconds where you are and what organization owns your address if it's static. TimothyJosephWood 00:51, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Wait, I take that back. Geolocate must be wrong. Not a single thing you've typed has been upside down. TimothyJosephWood 00:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)'These kinds of articles' likely refers to popular video game articles. Many video games articles eventually end up with year+ long or even indefinite protection due to reoccurring vandalism. The more popular or visible the game in culture, the more likelihood that the vandalism never quite goes away. At the current level of activity the article is seeing, I believe PC would be too big of a burden for reviewers (I am a reviewer and watching, though I am not making any substantial edits), but in a few weeks it may be possible to give it a try. -- ferret (talk) 00:55, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Dang, @Ferret:. Thanks for the info about the protection situation. I hope that pending changes will be trialled in the future. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 01:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

You could always ask on WP:RFPP to see if it'll get lowered. It probably won't happen but it could be worth a shot. If not, you can always use the {{edit semi protected}} template. Anarchyte (work | talk) 01:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, maybe when the current batch of protection is up I'll try that. I have been making requests on the talk page, but some of the stuff I want to do is a bit fiddly to describe - like consolidating the Dean Takahashi VentureBeat article's references into an a,b,c format. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 02:03, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

The depth of scholarship and the potential for scholarship is something to consider before considering Pokemon GO as a special page. I expect that there will be scholarly, peer-reviewed articles and book chapters about Pokemon GO. There has been for Ingress, and also for Zombies, Run! (a 2012 exergame). Would a rush to GA for Pokemon GO mean that potential scholarly sources are 'crowded out', or not integrated as well, down the track? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 06:03, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

There's also some speculation that there will be in-game events to earn Mew, Mewtwo, Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 01:07, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

For anyone interested in playing Pokémon Go, having the specs might be helpful. Here are the details provided on the Google Play store "listed as current as of July 5, 2016: Compatible with Android devices that have 2 GB RAM or more and have Android Version 4.4 - 6.0 installed. Samsung S3 has 1 GB RAM Samsung S4 has 2 GB RAM (so likely and S4 and higher generation) If you have a lower version of Android (e.g. 4.2.2), it is possible to move up Android version 4.4: on an S4, click on the lower left button (on the cellphone) to the left of the home button (lower centre button on the cellphone) and in the menu, select "Settings". Then click on the upper right button (on the touchscreen) labelled "More", then at the bottom of the menu in the touchscreen click on "About device". Then you should be taken to a new menu, where at the top there should be an option "System Update" (make sure your wifi is turned on, each Android update is large and will consume your phone monthly data limit). Now click on System Update, and wait several minutes for the Android update to download. When it downloads 100%, the phone will say it needs to reboot (your phone will warn you that you will be unable to use your phone while it is rebooting, you will even be unable to make emergency phone calls while it is rebooting). Proceed to reboot your phone. You may need to do this several times (e.g. going from Android 4.2.2 to Android 4.2.4; then redoing all the above paragraph to get from Android 4.2.4 to Android 4.3; then redoing all of the above paragraph to get from Android 4.3 to Android 4.4). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.64.226.68 (talk) 02:55, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

This page isn't a forum, please keep all comments on topic and about the article, not the game. Cheers, Anarchyte (work | talk) 03:23, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

This is too technical for the uninformed reader who just wants to know what Pokemon Go even is. We don't do this for other games, and we shouldn't here either. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:15, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Arguably we need a close-up of a gym, featuring its resident Pokémon, and the image of the inside of a gym, for the sake of encyclopedic completeness. The graphic flow, to my way of thinking, should be random Pokémon to capture in augmented reality, a general view of a Pokéstop and Pokégym landscape, a close-up of a gym, and the inside of a gym. I recently viewed the Zions Bank Clock in downtown Boise, Idaho being claimed by Pokémon within seconds of each other, such was the intensity of the game-play, so a non-free video screen capture would admirably serve to illustrate the remarkable interest in this game. Thoughts? kencf0618 (talk) 22:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I haven't actually played the game, and I have no idea what you're talking about. So it may be helpful. TimothyJosephWood 22:14, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia tries to limit its use of non-free image content to 2-3 at most. They do this because (as stated here) they want to minimize legal exposure as much as possible. Counting the logo in the infobox, your suggestion mean they'll be 5 non-free images in total, which way above what's the acceptable amount of non-free images in an article. All that is possibly why the images you uploaded to the article were removed. Harryhenry1 (talk) 22:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

If we're that limited in what we can illustrate, we'll just have to leave the inside of gyms for those who play the game, then. kencf0618 (talk) 06:19, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

There have been calls from physically disabled gamers for accessibility features to be built in. Is this relevant for inclusion? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 01:53, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I suggest leaving it out until the game actually becomes more accessible for disabled gamers. Meatsgains (talk) 02:05, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

The sources available now indicate that Pokemon Go's health benefits (physical and mental) aren't available for some gamers with disabilities. Why wait until the game becomes more accessible before the issue is included? Did you mean 'wait until the company makes a public statement'? Polygon has reached out to Niantic. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 02:11, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I didn't realize the amount of coverage this has taken gained. I'll go ahead and add it in. Meatsgains (talk) 03:01, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I added the content. Let me know what you think or if you'd like for me to expand. Meatsgains (talk) 03:28, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, it's a good start. :) Hopefully Niantic will respond to Polygon and then the content can be updated. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 04:45, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, I will bet that in the coming months the app will respond and come out with updates for those who are physically disabled. Meatsgains (talk) 13:47, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

In Ja wiki there is information about Pokemon Go in Brazil on 05 August 2016 (http://www.afpbb.com/articles/-/3093944)According to PTwiki okemon Go in Brazil will be on 21-st July Dawid2009 (talk) 10:49, 20 July 2016 (UTC) . In FRwiki there is information about why Pokemon there isn't in France. I also don't urdenstand why information about Pokemon Go in Japan on 19 July 2016 gets delted. Dawid2009 (talk) 10:35, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

JP is likely being removed because typical convention for Template:Infobox video game is to only include English regions or the region of the developer. Niantic is a US developer, so normally JP would not be listed. However in light of Pokemon's close ties to JP and the Pokemon Company, there was a talk page consensus to include it here. -- ferret (talk) 12:29, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

It actually got removed due to it being delayed, but yeah, normally we'd exclude this from games not made by Japanese developers, but this is an obvious exception to that, due to Pokemon having strong ties to the region. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 12:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

The current source for the prohibition by Al Azhar University is from a very small Croatian news website (only 4,000 Facebook likes) being told by "an official".

I see only very few other sources carrying this story, one of which is a British tabloid, and I'm surprised that the other British tabloids who love to paint Islam as a puritan "other" aren't reporting it. This source mentions that state government are denying any statement by Al Azhar, and it is in fact the government researching the security of the software.

As exceptional claims require exceptional sourcing, I think the evidence is piling one way on this story '''tAD''' (talk) 21:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

The General Secretariat of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars, the top Saudi clerical institution, has renewed a fatwa against Pokémon "in response to queries from believers," without, however, mentioning the new incarnation of the game. Something to keep an eye on. kencf0618 (talk) 20:43, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Multiple companies and people are making profit off the game, as seen here. Is this notable enough for inclusion? -- Gestrid (talk) 18:48, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

• Don't see why not. A lot of the material on the article currently is more trivial than this. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

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The score on Metacritic is currently 68, using 27 critic reviews. Why is an Internet Archive of the page offered preferentially to the live page? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 23:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

• I don't know, I removed it back when it pointed to some random game, but somebody else added it back in. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:10, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Done The Pokemon Go wikidata item is now also semi-protected due to vandalism throughout the day. I've updated the score and removed the archive url. Unfortunately there's no way to set dead-url=no in Wikidata at this time, so having an archive url defaults to showing. -- ferret (talk) 23:42, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go has spawned multiple unofficial apps, most of which are used to catch Pokemon. Among those is the second most downloaded app, "Poke Radar". This particular app has received much coverage, such as on Mashable, Business Insider, Tech Insider, and Inverse. Should I mention this game within the article, or should I create a separate article? Yoshiman6464 (talk) 03:25, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

There's probably enough content to create its own article. I'll can help you make it if you want. Lifehacker. Just googling "poke radar for pokemon go" or "poke radar" comes up with a lot of results. Anarchyte (work | talk) 03:35, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

There might be a of content, but it does not reach the same level of Pokemon Go. I will add it to the main article. Yoshiman6464 (talk) 03:46, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I think there is enough content,but it should be added to the main page. Annaloveshungergames27 (talk) 00:20, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

So I have heard that robbers have been using the tracker on the Pokemon Go app to lure people to Pokemon,then rob them at gunpoint.I think that the app should fix this,perhaps with a update which would disable the tracker,but still allow players to track and capture Pokemon.This is just a suggestion,but something should be done. Annaloveshungergames27 (talk) 00:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Please remember that this is not a forum for discussion about Pokemon Go, but rather for discussion on the improvement of the Pokemon Go article. -- Gestrid (talk) 00:20, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I recently condensed the Controversies section because to me, it seemed a bit WP:UNDUE. Users have since restored and expanded the section with related information. My question is, while some of the controversies are notable and sourced, should we continue adding to the section anytime a mainstream source publishes something? Meatsgains (talk) 03:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I think so because mainstream sourses always want to be replied to. Annaloveshungergames27 (talk) 23:21, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Not exactly sure what you are referring to when you stated "always want to be replied to". Meatsgains (talk) 01:12, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Re: this reversion, "that" should only be used in cases where it resolves ambiguity as to whether or not the verb affects the noun or the phrase. When it is clear that the verb affects the phrase, or when the verb does in fact affect the noun, "that" is superfluous. TimothyJosephWood 14:57, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

As per that article, that would appear to be a difference in common usage between "American" English and Hiberno/British English. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:57, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

...and the article appears to be currently written in American English. TimothyJosephWood 16:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC)