Talk:Pokémon Go/Archive 4

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Please add in second paragraph of "Community and Cultural Impact" section (directly after citation 163):

A company from the United Kingdom, Bidvine, also offered Pokémon Go trainers the chance to earn money through the game by allowing them to sell their training time^[1].

Linneascian (talk) 17:53, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Not covered by a reliable secondary source. Using the primary source Bidvine is essentially promotional. -- ferret (talk) 19:38, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

UWP is the Universal Windows Platform which allows the game to be played on Windows 10 phones. I know it is an unofficial client but there is a whole section devoted to third-party applications, so I figured I would add it... it got undone while I was in the process of editing more, with the justification of WP:UNDUE. Windows Phone is admittedly small market share but still affects a lot of people. One thing that is true is you may be banned for using an unofficial client, but it's the only option available for Windows Phone users right now. I know I need more secondary sources and I was working on that. For example: http://www.businessinsider.com/pokemon-go-for-windows-10-2016-8

It's not a cheat version either, it's designed to make the game accessible to more people.

Instead of undoing the undo I thought I would post here because I'm not an experienced editor and need help to know if I'm way off base or not. Thank you. Charlesmartin82 (talk) 06:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I undid that addition because it only had a link to github as its source. If a secondary source is added for support and there is consensus for its inclusion, then I'd have no problem with it. I'd still keep that information out of the infobox though. _dk (talk) 08:43, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

We only include official platforms in the infobox, so this wouldn't belong even if you had better sources. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:02, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Is information , how many players are online now , available for public ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.87.7.132 (talk) 14:17, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Marianna251TALK 17:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

See archived section Talk:Pokémon Go/Archive 3#Genres besides Augmented Reality. The inclusion of the block of content Howrad added does not appear to line up with the previous discussion. Several editors notes that the major of reliable sources do not back the content Howrad wants added, but the text included even said "Most sources admit its not really AR." This was a big block of mostly OR backed by two outlier sources. -- ferret (talk) 19:19, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

@Ferret:@Meatsgains:Why do you think this doesn't belong in the article, or has undue weight? These are points that the general public is not very familiar with, and I think it's important to instruct them. The screenshots you removed also served to demonstrate the points. I can edit to reduce word count, but the current version doesn't actually make any sense. You put together two opposite views held by different experts. And Ferret claims that's there's only one primary source, but I included five.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Howrad (talk • contribs) 19:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

As I noted, I believe the previous discussion makes clear why in-depth inclusion was inappropriate. When I said there was only a primary source, I was referring specifically to the first paragraph that I removed as OR. I'm aware that the second paragraph was sourced differently. -- ferret (talk) 19:33, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

@Ferret:Oh, sorry, I think I did my footnotes in a confusing way. The 4 footnotes at the end of the section applied to the entire section, not just the second paragraph. It was not original research, but a synthesis of 5 sources. I will rewrite to make it clearer and shorter. Howrad (talk) 19:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

@Howrad: Here are some of the issue. I hate to have to point by point this but since you're claiming its all sourced...

"Most experts in gaming and augmented reality agree that even though the developers market Pokémon Go as an augmented reality game, it contains some but not all aspects of an augmented reality game, and the primary genre is better described as a location-based game or a pervasive game."

You say "Most experts". What experts? What source is backing "most experts" agree about this? Most reliable sources say augmented reality game, even if they also attach additional genres like location-based.

"The majority of players turn AR mode off, because it makes the game easier and increases battery life, and are therefore not experiencing augmented reality at all."

None of your sources make these claims. Hence, it's OR. None of them support that the game is easier or increases battery life with AR off (Though I agree it does), nor do they claim the majority of players do this.

"Some subject-matter experts respond that calling Pokémon Go augmented reality really has nothing to do with the camera augmentation. They say that the augmentation happens in the brain, not in the technology."

Only one source even mentions brain, and doesn't support how this is worded. In fact it would seem to counter this statement...

And so on. Finally, at least two of these sources, roadtovr and uploadvr, may not be reliable sources by Wikipedia standards. -- ferret (talk) 21:17, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

The title of the section is too long and unorthodox for normal articles, so either this should be merged in somewhere else or removed entirely. EDIT: I would just remove this entirely, as this is the same user who tried to add the same sources some ways back, as he seems to have a constant agenda regarding the inclusion of them. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:22, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

My position is to remove. I linked the last discussion from the archive at the top of this discussion. It's full of OR, backed by a primary source that is being synthesized (A no no), 2 unreliables, and 2 reliables that don't fully support the content. Mostly OR to discuss a fringe genre element. -- ferret (talk) 21:26, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

I just removed more outright OR claims, and added citation needed tags to whatever was left unsourced, but I wouldn't mind this being removed entirely. At the very least, it should be kept it to a single sentence or two, as some of the sources used are reliable. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:29, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

I think I'm just going to continue to remove this unless @Howrad: provides better sources and writing. All he has been doing, even in the past, is pasting the same statements with only minor edits to the wording. This is only a fringe opinion shared by very few (reliable) sources, so does it really need to be in the article anyway? A single sentence can have the same info without taking up an entire sub-section and/or paragraph. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I originally trimmed the content citing WP:UNDUE, having not looked closely at the sources. I would have removed the entire section but I respected the user's bold contribution and new additional editors would chime in to help out. Needless to say, the section should stay off the page for the reasons already noted above. Meatsgains (talk) 00:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I can assure you that this is not a fringe opinion. If you were to question 100 experts on augmented reality, at least 90 of them would say that Pokémon Go does not fit the traditional definition of augmented reality... possibly all 100 would agree. You'd find similar results if you questioned experts in location-based games and pervasive gaming, though they might be slightly more inclined to call it augmented reality. I'm sorry that there aren't that many experts writing about this in reliable sources, and so this makes it really tough for me to prove, but I think Scientific American should be a reliable enough source to demonstrate that this content has a place in this article. In an article about physics for instance, what's more important -- the writings of the popular press, or the writings of academic experts? In the future, hopefully I will be able to find academic journal articles supporting my claims. Howrad (talk) 20:49, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

We're not discussing whether or not the content you attempted to add was true or not because IMHO, it probably is, but it needs to be verified in reliable sources. That is the problem we are facing. Meatsgains (talk) 00:58, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

They may be experts in academia, but they are not in gaming, which is what your claim stated. And like I said, this can be properly explained with a single sentence or two, an entire subsection regarding it when only one true reliable source stated it is overkill. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

The basic claim I'm trying to make is that 2 months ago, before the release of Pokémon GO, people would have described the game as a pervasive game or a location-based game with light elements of augmented reality (and many people prefer to turn off the AR). This new definition of an augmented reality game, if it lasts, is a major change in the definition. My personal opinion is that it's a misuse of the definition by people who don't understand, but I know that definitions can change, and a misused definition can become the new standard definition if enough people use it.

Does anyone believe that, if I find sources to prove this claim, it still does not belong in this article? Reliable sources to prove this are hard to find, but I'm going to try a new angle and get opinions from other editors. I found a PhD thesis about pervasive games from March 2016 written by an academic expert in gaming. It describes Pokémon GO as a pervasive game, describes other augmented reality games, but does not describe Pokémon GO as an augmented reality game:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Vlasios_Kasapakis/publication/303283809_Pervasive_Role_Playing_Games_Design_Development_and_Evaluation_of_a_Research_Prototype/links/573af8dd08ae9ace840e6c4f.pdf

Does this kind of source help establish my claim that it's a new definition? Should I be looking for more of this? Thanks for everyone's input. Howrad (talk) 08:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

You keep using phrases like "I believe", "My personal opinion", "I synthesized", "Reliable sources to prove is hard to find".... That's everything that's wrong with trying to get these edits in. Please re-read WP:V, WP:N and WP:OR. I think the article already covers that Pokemon Go fits several genre descriptions. If the majority of reliable sources are saying augmented reality, then that's the lead genre even if it doesn't quite fit as a black and white definition. -- ferret (talk) 10:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

A month ago, when I started trying to get these edits in, I was a relative newbie to Wikipedia editing, and didn't really understand the policies. I tried to reach too far, changing the genre in the info box without discussing, and made lots of mistakes. I'm sorry. I was a newbie, and I didn't understand. I am now not trying to change the info box genre, but trying to add additional balanced information. WP:OR says "This policy of no original research does not apply to talk pages," so it should not be a problem for me to express opinions and present OR on this talk page.

I do not think that the article already sufficiently covers that Pokémon Go fits several genre descriptions. It uses "location-based" once in the first sentence, and the categories at the bottom include "Location-based games" and "Pervasive games." That's it! That's not enough to cover the extremely complex situation. The article is currently ignoring the historical definition of "augmented reality game," ignoring that the game is easier and drains less battery if you turn off AR mode, and not even mentioning the disagreement about what to call the game's genre. Howrad (talk) 20:49, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I found two new sources. The first is from earlier (July 21) but for some reason I just didn't find it before: http://undark.org/2016/07/21/pokemon-go-isnt-augmented-reality-thats-okay/ It quotes several AR experts who express doubt about whether Pokémon Go is really augmented reality. One of them says, "Some of my colleagues would roll their eyes, but I would say this is AR. It is just a really weak form of it." It also covers Ronald Azuma's 1997 definition of AR.

The second source is from August 19: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/08/19/augmented-reality-love-letter-pokemon-go/ It is written by an expert in AR gaming, and includes this statement: "But what I do want to do is tell you all the other things AR can and will do – because Pokémon Go actually touches on only one main category of mobile augmented reality, and there is so much more. You may be surprised the world's hottest mobile game is running on eight year old AR technology – but that's the truth." Howrad (talk) 17:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Ignoring whether those sources are reliable (Never heard of either), it doesn't seem to support your arguments. Both statements you quoted ultimately say (However limited) that Pokemon Go is AR. -- ferret (talk) 18:18, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Ah, then you're misunderstanding my arguments. My basic points are:

• A very large number of experts in AR say that Pokémon GO is not AR (this is why "some of my colleagues would roll their eyes")
• The remaining experts in AR generally say that Pokémon GO is "a really weak form of" AR
• Lots of players turn AR mode off because it makes the game easier and increases battery life (based on OR, it's higher than 90%, but I know that we can't use OR)
• Before the release of Pokémon GO, academic experts in pervasive gaming called the genre of the upcoming game "pervasive" or "location-based," and not "augmented reality." The PhD thesis I found earlier demonstrates this. The first article I quoted today also includes this: 'And he added that the app could become so associated with AR that it "becomes the de facto definition."' This supports my arguments that there's a definition change in progress. Howrad (talk) 19:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

A new article on this topic came out today: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-09-13-there-is-a-formula-to-pokemon-gos-success-but-its-not-ar This is now the clearest and most complete article on the topic I'm trying to add, and addresses most of the points I have tried to make in the past. Please read it. Howrad (talk) 20:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

The article just says (in their opinion) that AR was not the reason Go became so popular, so what should we be looking for? And is this a reliable source to begin with? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:06, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Gamesindustry.biz is an RS per WP:VG/RS. The 7th paragraph, under the section "Augmented-Reality will have its day, but Pokemon Go isn't it", covers many of the additions Howrad wants, including claiming its not really AR, that most users turn off AR to save battery, etc. -- ferret (talk) 01:08, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, @Ferret:. So now that I have one very solid RS, and 8 back-up sources that say similar things, this is what I propose doing. I know some of these edits are going to be more controversial than others, so I wanted to discuss them all first on talk before I do any of them:

1) In the infobox, change genres to "Augmented reality, location-based game, pervasive game," to reflect that it doesn't fit in any one category, and there is disagreement

2) Change the first sentence to "a free-to-play, location-based pervasive augmented reality game" (adding the word pervasive)

3) Add one sentence to the lead about how lots of experts in gaming and AR say that it's not really AR, but the popular press calls it AR

4) Add 2 or 3 sentences somewhere else (I'm not sure where yet, and am open to suggestions) about why experts say it's not really AR, about how most users turn off AR to save battery, and about how, as that new article says "the Key Innovation in Pokemon Go is Location-Based Gaming" Howrad (talk) 06:40, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

• Considering other editors have already cited concerns that your sources don't represent the changes you want to make, you'll probably want to identify which sources back which statements in particular... Sergecross73 msg me 13:08, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

My most important and reliable sources are:

• http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-09-13-there-is-a-formula-to-pokemon-gos-success-but-its-not-ar -- supports #1, #3, and #4
• http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-pokemon-go-really-augmented-reality -- supports #1 and #3
• https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Vlasios_Kasapakis/publication/303283809_Pervasive_Role_Playing_Games_Design_Development_and_Evaluation_of_a_Research_Prototype/links/573af8dd08ae9ace840e6c4f.pdf (PhD thesis about pervasive games from March 2016 that describes the upcoming Pokémon GO game as "pervasive" but not "AR," even though it describes other games as AR) -- supports #2
• http://venturebeat.com/2016/07/14/stop-referring-to-pokemon-go-as-augmented-reality/ -- supports #1 and #3

Additional sources that don't really add any new concepts, but may serve to reinforce that this is not a minority view among experts in AR and experts in game development:

• http://undark.org/2016/07/21/pokemon-go-isnt-augmented-reality-thats-okay/
• http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/08/19/augmented-reality-love-letter-pokemon-go/
• http://boingboing.net/2016/07/11/alternate-reality-is-a-massive.html
• http://www.roadtovr.com/pokemon-go-is-where-i-draw-the-line-on-augmented-reality/
• http://uploadvr.com/pokemon-go-ar-definition/ Howrad (talk) 05:01, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

It has been 4 days with no responses. Does this mean there are no objections to my proposed changes? Howrad (talk) 06:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Lack of activity does not mean consensus by default. People need time to actually see which of these links you provided actual pass as reliable sources, and despite that, the info does not belong in the lead/infobox, but in the reception section instead. Not sure why you have such an agenda to reflect what the "non-popular press" calls the game, as it's overwhelmingly just called AR by the media. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:25, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@Dissident93:, my plan and sources have been posted here since September 15 (for 12 days), and nobody objected. The reason I have an agenda is because there is such a large disagreement between the popular press and the expert press. The average visitor who comes to this page to learn about Pokémon GO and about augmented reality should know that experts do not call it an AR game. I think the best Wikipedia comparison is the Theory article, where the lead dispels a common misconception by including: Howrad (talk) 00:54, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge, in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better characterized by the word 'hypothesis').

You keep calling them "experts" but the majority of what you post are fringe articles by unreliable sources. Until you can find more than one reliable source, this will be considered WP:UNDUE and does not need inclusion in the article, outside of maybe a single sentence or two. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:58, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I think @Ferret: may disagree with you, based on his September 14 post. See a few lines up where I wrote "My most important and reliable sources are" for 4 very reliable sources. The first one in particular, from gamesindustry.biz, is not one expert's opinion, but a summary of findings written by EEDAR, a games industry research group. Howrad (talk) 01:14, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I don't disagree with Dissident93, to be clear. Of the references above though, gamesindustry.biz and venturebeat.com are the only ones I would say are reliable sources. It deserves, at best, a one or two sentence mention in the reception section, as Dissident93 has stated. "Some experts note that Pokemon Go does not represent augmented reality, but location based gaming." or some sort. Nothing further is really necessary. -- ferret (talk) 01:21, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Where in the reception section do you suggest? Because I'm not sure if this information really belongs in any of the existing sub-sections: Critical response, Downloads and revenue, Community and cultural impact, Criticism and incidents, or Third-party apps and websites. Howrad (talk) 01:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@Dissident93: I think you're removing "pervasive game" from the infobox and the lead because, as you asked in the edit summary "what's the difference between these two?" As it says in the Location-based game article, "a location-based game is a type of pervasive game." So I can understand the confusion. But the pervasive game article also mentions several categories of games that are not location-based, such as mixed reality, alternate reality, virtual reality, smart toys, and augmented reality tabletop games. Or do you think it's a problem to list two different genres when one is a sub-genre of the other? Howrad (talk) 07:23, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Also, to get a little more specific, there exist location-based games that are not pervasive games, such as Toy Story Midway Mania. So a location-based game is not automatically a pervasive game. Howrad (talk) 07:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Do any of the reliable sources (which is still in question) call it this? Even if they did, its still WP:UNDUE to add fringe genres because a couple of sources called it one. "Location-based game" is fine, since that wouldn't be debated by anybody. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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{{Hey can you edit the region availability? the game has been released in Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman and the United Arab Emirates in 4 of November 2016 and I have already picked the color for those countries

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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - Mlpearc (open channel) 20:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Will there be an Awards section for this article? There should be a couple of awards put in place on the article. BAFTA will be holding their awards ceremony on November 26-28.

Zacharyalejandro (talk) 20:24, 7 November 2016 (UTC)Zacharyalejandro

• Not until it wins, or is at least nominated for some. Even still, this could easily go into the legacy section instead, no need to add to the subsection bloat. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:25, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

In google search there is a lot of views, as openstreetmap pokemon go. Why in the article there aren't any informations about OpenStreetMap? Dawid2009 (talk) 13:28, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

• All I see are links to Reddit, a Wiki, and other unreliable websites. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 13:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Could we have a separate section for Awards underneath the Downloads and Revenue? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 18:18, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Go for it. -- ferret (talk) 18:19, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll do what I can. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 18:22, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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Aprilgreen2017 (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

In United States, Jiansheng Chen was shot to death by a security guard at the community he lived, on January 26, 2017.^[1] Chen was playing Pokémon Go in a minivan parked by the community clubhouse when the security guard shot him 6 times.^[2]

According to a notice given to the residents by River Walk community, the contract for the patrol services is supposed to be unarmed patrolling. It is not clear why the security guard was armed.

On Monday February 6, 2017, Andrew Sacks, an attorney represents Citywide Protection Services, the employer of the security guard who shot Chen, held a news conference. According to Sacks, Chen repeatedly tried to hit the guard with his van, then the guard fired “in reasonable fear for his life and safety”. However, Sacks' statement raise many doubts to people in concerning the case of "shooting of Jiansheng Chen".

According to Greg Sandler, an attorney of Chen's family, Chen was playing “Pokemon Go” at the time when he was shot.^[3] Police said the guard fired through the vehicle's windows,^[4] so it remains to be seen that if Jiansheng Chen was really "tried to hit the security guard" like the security company's lawyer stated.

Not done: This content and the related article are currently subject of both a merge discussion and an AFD. I don't think this content should be added here, it's far too much information for a single event mostly sourced to local news. -- ferret (talk) 19:56, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Seems to be notable only for this incident. This might be worth a mention here. Adam9007 (talk) 18:07, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

• Don't merge, delete Jiansheng Chen WP:NOTNEWS. Should just send this to AFD, or even CSD A7 (As I don't see any real claim of importance) -- ferret (talk) 18:16, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I requested speedy deletion but was declined by Adam9007. I favour deletion as well so maybe should be nominated for AFD. AusLondonder (talk) 18:46, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Could this be suitable for Wikinews instead? Adam9007 (talk) 18:47, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I agree with deletion as well, it does not meet WP:GNG as a standalone article. Not sure about Wikinews guidelines, so I can't provide input on that aspect. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:01, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Was it merged only because the incident had Pokémon Go mentioned? I think it actually deserves its own page as it is likely to evolve to something like the shooting of Trayvon Martin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlowSuperMom (talk • contribs) 19:12, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

That's pure conjecture, unless you have any sources at all it up. -- ferret (talk) 19:26, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

• Note at this point it does not even mention the game. The one source on the article, does not mention the game so I have removed it. (not watching if you want me to reply to anything here ping me) - GB fan 19:38, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

• I'm boldly removing the merger tag. It appears that Jiansheng Chen will not survive AFD, but the near identical Shooting of Jiansheng Chen will. However, there's no real connection between the event and the game. Chen was playing it, but there's no suggestion that he was shot because of it: He just happened to be playing it, in his own neighborhood. We would not add him to the Candy Crush article if he happened to have been playing that instead. -- ferret (talk) 14:13, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Pokemon Go just became available in Bahrain, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates. See the official Facebook announcement. — Gestrid (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Added to the article, but somebody else needs to handle the color coding on the map. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:30, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

That's why I posted here. — Gestrid (talk) 01:39, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done Molecule Extraction (talk) 01:58, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go is now available in India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Arujuhu (talk) 09:44, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

You can requesting directly here on Graphics Lab. Sorry. I can't continue colouring maps at the moment as I'm not with my computer since late October where most of my editing tools are there. Molecule Extraction (talk) 10:52, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

On hold Already put a request there. Now waiting any graphic editors to respond. ^^ Molecule Extraction (talk) 09:27, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

 Done by Tsange. Molecule Extraction (talk) 14:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go is released in South Korea. Gitbi (talk) 02:48, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@Gitbi: Ok, already leaving a request there on Graphics Lab, now waiting for any graphicist to respond. Molecule Extraction (talk) 06:48, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Gitbi. Molecule Extraction (talk) 17:00, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

There is limited information about the augmented reality technology used with Pokeman Go. The game play section includes this info:

When a player encounters a Pokémon, they may view it either in augmented reality (AR) mode or with a live rendered, generic background. AR mode uses the camera and gyroscope on the player's mobile device to display an image of a Pokémon as though it were in the real world.

The only other info related to the technology is a link to the augmented reality article. I think the article would benefit from a Technology section with more info about how augmented reality works. For example, info could include how the app knows where to position the Pokémon including depth perception and how it knows where to position the Pokémon when the mobile device's camera turns. Here's an article that teases at some of the info that could be added. https://www.bustle.com/articles/172317-how-does-pokemon-go-work-heres-everything-we-know-about-the-tech-behind-the-augmented-reality Anyone object to me creating a technology section with some bare info, and marking it as needing improvement? Timtempleton (talk) 00:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

A minor summary about it wouldn't hurt, but I object to a full technology section. Any reader curious to know more about AR can simply click read about it on its own article, as are the whole purpose of wikilinks. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 08:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

There's not much info on Wikipedia - primarily this Augmented_reality#Software_and_algorithms. Maybe then a short technology section with a quick summary and a reference to this main article? Timtempleton (talk) 20:37, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

What I'm saying is that the AR article itself should be expanded with the info, not this one. A short summary here is fine, however, but anything more than a paragraph would be too much, I would think. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 11:27, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, but I'm not an expert on the field. Am doing a little research, but the goal would be to add info here about how the technology is specifically used for this platform, which because of the proprietary software may not be exactly the same as other A/R platforms. Timtempleton (talk) 17:51, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello!

It feels as if some parts to the gameplay section can be improved.

1. The lead section is worded in such a way that it can mislead to readers to thnk that you can "battle" Pokemon in the wild.
2. The Gameplay section forgets to mention that PokeStops also give XP in addition to various items. It also says that various amounts of candy is offered upon capture, but that number is always 3.
3. This section also states that the ultimate goal of the game is to complete the Pokedex by collecting all the Pokemon - that statement is false... this could probably be a whole new section entirely on styles of play (collectors (people who want to finish their Pokedex), gymmers (peoplewho want to help their team capture the most gyms possible), trainers (people who collect and raise strong pokemon for the sake of battling), etc.)
4. There's also the small paragraph in regards to in-app purchases. The formatting isn't consistent when it comes to listing the item and describing its use. The section also fails to mention the ability to purchase incubators and addition storage slots. The writer also jumps from talking about the store to the topic of Combat Power in just a single paragraph.
5. There's a section describing Buddy Pokemon and being able to receive "rewards and bonuses" but all you get is candy for walking a certain distance... there are no other bonuses.

Thanks for considering these edits!

ATran34614 (talk) 03:09, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with all of these proposals. I think that your proposal #3 is probably the most important, but it's also going to be the most open-ended, and the most controversial in terms of finding sources. Howrad (talk) 20:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

The majority of this article was written during the app's heyday, a lot of the stuff was badly written or outdated even then. I haven't actually played the game myself, so I can't verify the fixes you proposed, so some other editor would probably have to implement these. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 13:40, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I can start writing it, as long as people don't immediately start deleting it for being unsourced original research. As I said before, sources are going to be hard to find for a lot of this. I would write it based on what I know from months of playing the game and reading about it, not by finding sources directly. Once written, we could all go back collectively and find sources. Is that acceptable? Howrad (talk) 06:05, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

"I would write it based on what I know from months of playing the game and reading about it, not by finding sources directly." and this is exactly why your edits get removed. Info added needs to be verified by reliable sources, and can't just be stuff that "you know to be true", which serves as WP:OR. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 12:26, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

After some time , has someone SERIOUS count of ACTIVE players right NOW ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.98.1.158 (talk) 09:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Do we have to update player count after every week or something? If it's not reported on by a good source, then it probably isn't that important to mention here. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 12:27, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

In a recent study, the health benefits of Pokémon Go were described, concluding that it leads to substantial short-term activity increases; according to this study, Pokémon Go has added a total of 144 billion steps to US physical activity.^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.75.165.69 (talk) 20:04, 13 December 2016‎ (UTC)

When you search for Pokémon you are required to move around which can be an exercise but can help people to be more aware of things around them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.14.163 (talk) 19:50, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

You do know that this game is actually called Pokémon GO with GO and not Go, right? --Sabelöga (talk) 13:08, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, we do. Despite how it is stylized though, we have guidelines for trademarks, at MOS:TMRULES. -- ferret (talk) 13:25, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

What happened to the mention of the player-vs-player update? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 01:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys. Is it OK to regard Snapchat, Facebook and other photo filters as innovations of Augmented reality? Thanks. Jamal Millwood (talk) 07:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Jamal Millwood (talk) 07:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

• Unless sources are also claiming this, no. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 07:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Please move the "All Pokémon are displayed with a combat power. A Pokémon's combat power is a rough measure of how powerful that Pokémon is in battle. Generally, as players level up, they catch Pokémon with higher CP." Line to the paragrapg above as it does not belong in the paragraph it is currently in. BuddyIsKewl (talk) 21:41, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:19, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

- Hyperakt1v (talk) 13:24, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

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Pratik KUMAR Ghadei 2405:205:B004:D268:0:0:2296:50A0 (talk) 12:27, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:29, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

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I will edit this article for good. 47.15.15.183 (talk) 03:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 03:49, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

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add the following to the Infobox 136.24.104.142 (talk) 15:23, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- ferret (talk) 15:29, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

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add the following to the Infobox director

Tatsuo Nomura https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%87%8E%E6%9D%91%E9%81%94%E9%9B%84

citation

https://nintendosoup.com/nomura-tatsuo-releases-pokemon-go-autobiography-japan/
https://asia.nikkei.com/magazine/20170511/Difference-Makers/Pokemon-Go-developer-s-rags-to-riches-story 136.24.104.142 (talk) 15:33, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Sources contradict. Nintendosoup is not reliable, but seems to be translating Japanese into "game director". Nikkei is reliable but never says "director", instead using "Developer" and lead developer. Could maybe be added to the Programmer field. -- ferret (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. From the Nikkei article, it seems that Nomura is the lead developer for the Apple Watch version, not for Niantic Lab's overall game. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:30, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Here is a post from Niantic's official facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/nianticlabs/posts/632706573556944 "Niantic's Tatsuo Nomura, Game Director and Product Manager for Pokémon GO, will be speaking at the Spikes Asia Festival of Creativity this Friday, September 23rd, in Singapore: https://www.spikes.asia/home/ Nomura will talk about working on Pokémon GO and share behind the scene stories for the first time. Many may recognize some of his more famous works from his time as part of the Google Maps team where he created a series of April Fools' Day projects including 8-bit maps, the Google Maps Pokémon Challenge, and the PAC-MAN Ingress video as well."

And here is an interview footage from the event mentioned in the blog post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMKHOEgg0cY

Also there is an interview footage from BBC. http://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-38139961/pokemon-go-where-did-the-idea-come-from

He is listed as the director in ja.wikipedia as well https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokemon_GO

Done: Used an official Google+ post instead for convenience and the Nikkei article for the April Fools Challenge citation.

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Please add that in December 2017, Pokemon Go began using the OpenStreetMap data to show its ingame maps.^[1] An appropriate location to add this may be the "development" section.

Thank you. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 06:01, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Done, though since I’m not sure they changed the spawn data I’ll keep Google Maps there as well. Juxlos (talk) 10:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Winged Blades ^Godric 15:42, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Why would this need consensus? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:30, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Plus it was already done. -- ferret (talk) 14:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. On further research, https://mic.com/articles/166880/pokemon-go-openstreetmap-hack-osm-updates-seem-to-alter-the-game-but-is-it-cheating#.3VeYWF975 asserts that players have found since January 2017 that altering OSM can affect Pokemon spawns after some lag time. Is Mic.com considered a RS? Is this relevant to the article? --122.108.141.214 (talk) 23:54, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

A primary source, but OSM “admitted” Pokémon Go “might be” using their data for spawns as well.
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/12/30/tips-pokemon-go/
Juxlos (talk) 02:04, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

There is some outdated language like referring to the object of the game being to obtain the original 151 Pokemon, when it has now been expanded significantly. I don't have references/details to update it properly but we might be good to link to List_of_Pokémon and include what is now available. There also seem to have been some very recent changes to gameplay that may be worth noting, separately from additional Pokemon, weather tracking and related bonuses, etc. Phil (talk) 19:28, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

We don't need to list the exact number of Pokemon that can be found, so that could be generalized and not need a source. However, for any gameplay features that didn't exist at launch, a source is needed to verify them. If you can provide them (I don't play the game and am not sure what is new or not), I could add them to the article. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:09, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I've added some information on it. Eurogamer is good enough, I assume? Juxlos (talk) 10:26, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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1.186.207.134 (talk) 07:40, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  shivam (t) 07:56, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

The first line of the article should include (ポケモン ゴー) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.15.47 (talk) 00:55, 28 December 2017‎ (UTC)

Not a Japanese game (Developed and published by Niantic), so we wouldn't include it typically. -- ferret (talk) 01:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

And even if it was, per WP:JFN it would still not be shown. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 09:11, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

While this article is still being updated, I thought now would be a good time to ask this. Details on the game's ongoing updates and changes (such as new Pokémon, new features, etc.) seem to be added to both the Gameplay and Development sections of the article. Would it be necessary to put them together in just one of the two sections, and add any missing major update details? (Properly sourced, of course!) GloverMist (talk) 21:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello all,

For a class assignment I need to contribute to a Wikipedia article and I chose Pokemon Go because I play it daily. I wanted to make a proposal in the article to include gameplay cheating in contexts of using third-party apps to locate pokemon in the game as well as spoofing, i.e your lying about your real location. Players being banned from the Pokemon Go! app is also a topic of discussion that could be under the Third-Party Services category.

Thanks for your time! Rogersjl6 (talk) 23:30, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

That subsection is indeed missing yeah. You can mention the use of bots as well. Locators are already mentioned in the ===Third-party services===. Try not to list too much though since at its peak this topic was covered by half of all newspapers on the planet or something.

Juxlos (talk) 23:45, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Could the following please be added to the article? :

In March 2018, a new feature was announced, called "Research" - where the player is given tasks to complete and this will unlock story-based events. In addition, the pokemon Mew was added to the game.^[1][2]

Thank you! --122.108.141.214 (talk) 04:17, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

•  Not done Let’s add it after it is released on the 30th. Juxlos (talk) 04:46, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Change pending March 30, 2018, per Juxlos. Spintendo      04:50, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Hm, why? It's not misleading to say that it's been announced... --122.108.141.214 (talk) 04:57, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

• Easier to say “it’s been released” than to say “it’s been announced” and change it later. Plus for all we know it might get delayed because reasons. Juxlos (talk) 08:01, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

• Aaaand  Done. Speaking of which, the gameplay screenshot is now somewhat inaccurate. Juxlos (talk) 23:35, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

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Change Pokémon Go is a free-to-play, location-based augmented reality game developed by Niantic for iOS and Android devices. to Pokémon Go (stylized Pokémon GO) is a free-to-play, location-based augmented reality game developed by Niantic for iOS and Android devices. 204.92.63.42 (talk) 18:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

• Shouldn’t this warrant a page move? Juxlos (talk) 19:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: It would warrant a page move however, the capitalization had already been changed in the past and reverted per MOS:CAMELCASE. If you really feel the need you can request consensus for a move in a new section with the {{requested move/dated|Pokémon GO}} template. From what I could tell from the first 3 pages of Google results, it's about 50/50. — IVORK _Discuss 23:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Per the display in AppStore and the official website, it’s GO. Juxlos (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Looks like it continues to be written "Pokémon GO", with uppercase GO, on official websites and channels. It's only the title attribute of the homepage what reads Go. --Johans (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

• "only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia." per WP:MOSCAPS. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

i never hear of it in norway anymore so maybe something about declining popularity should be added.84.212.111.156 (talk) 10:53, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Usage of the game peaked on July 15, and by mid September, had lost 79% of its players. Forbes said "the vaguely curious stopped playing and the more committed players ran up against a fairly unsatisfying endgame"

You’re about 20 months late Juxlos (talk) 13:02, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

I am a little confused, since official site use GO rather than Go.ReignBough (talk) 02:01, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@ReignBough: See MOS:TMRULES. "Use: Time, Kiss, Asus, Sony Mobile. Avoid: TIME, KISS, ASUS, SONY Mobile". That goes for "GO" in this case, too. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:29, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

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I propose the addition of a simple table to chart the Pokemon Go Community Day events, detailing the month, date, Pokemon involved and the special move that the pokemon could learn during this event.

This would be included under the "Community" section MrPaperwings (talk) 11:25, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I think the change is obviously stated. Anyways, since the event is held every month I don't think it's going to be viable to do so. Juxlos (talk) 12:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

"A Pokémon's Combat Power is a rough measure of how powerful that Pokémon is in battle. Generally, as players level up, they catch Pokémon with higher CP."

When a trainer reaches higher levels, it does not guarantee that the Pokemon caught will have higher CP. There is only a chance that they will. As of right now, The CP and IVs of a Pokemon in the wild will be the same for all trainers Level 30 and above, while the CP and IVs of a weather boosted Pokemon are the same for all trainers Level 35 and above. This does not include Pokemon from research, eggs, or raids. I think that the sentence that I have pulled from the article needs some clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmm331 (talk • contribs) 15:41 October 26, 2018 (UTC)

Can the title of this article please be changed to Pokémon GO? SportsFan007 (talk) 02:22, 19 November 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007

• MOS:TMCAPS, we try to avoid stylizations like this if possible. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

When I looked in the map, I saw that Gambia is included in the "available regions" roster, but Gambia is not highlighted in the color of the West African countries, and it's Senegal, the country which surrounds it. Correct this error. Also, Pokémon GO was released in NOT all of Latin America, because it is not available in only one country: Cuba. If you have any doubts on this, please notify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uhijbkbg099 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

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http://gopokemongo.ru/pokemon-go-ofitsialno-vyishla-v-rossii.html Since the 11th September 2018 Pokémon GO is available in Russia, that's what I want to be added in the releases section. Ebrilo (talk) 12:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done The Russian release is already mentioned in the article and map has been updated. Juxlos (talk) 13:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

We should include the Pokemon themselves and how to evolve and catch them right? Porygon-Z (talk) 20:16, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hey Porygon-Z. Wikipedia tries to cover topics in a concise general overview, similar to print encyclopedias, and isn't necessarily the correct place for exhaustive guides that cover every possible aspect of a subject. This type of information is usually better suited to thematically dedicated wikis rather than Wikipedia. GMG^talk 20:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Well, hi there GMG^talk. I like what you're saying,and I understand. But there's two problems. 1. What if the other Wikis are blocked by a school? 2. What if people need to know how to evolve Pokemon but don't know how to do it and other sources don't tell them exactly or they are confused about it? At least Wikipedia can update its sources if that makes sense. Porygon-Z (talk) 19:51, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

That a school might block various sites is not Wikipedia's job to remedy. School's also block Wikipedia. WP:GAMEGUIDE material doesn't belong here, but on Wikia/Fandom/Gamepedia, etc. See WP:VGSCOPE for examples of material we do not include on Wikipedia video game articles. -- ferret (talk) 20:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm on a school computer as I am typing this. I'm just saying that I think we should put as much as we can into Wikipedia. It is a Wiki encyclopedia after all, right? And number 3 on the inappropriate list doesn't make sense because if I want to explain the controls of a game, that is both helping them and technically explaining button controls and "cheating". I want to help people understand how to evolve Pokemon, not explain the button process on how to do so. Porygon-Z (talk) 20:23, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Appreciate your view point here, but it's still against Wikipedia's goals and policies. Encyclopedia's are not an indiscriminate collection of all information. -- ferret (talk) 20:33, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Then what can I do? Porygon-Z (talk) 20:47, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

You can edit the Pokemon Go wikia. -- ferret (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

So I can't make a list of how to evolve Pokemon in Pokemon go? Porygon-Z (talk) 20:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

To be direct and plain: No. -- ferret (talk) 20:57, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Then is there a place I can do it at?Porygon-Z (talk) 21:04, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

pokemongo.fandom.com -- ferret (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Blocked. Anywhere else? Porygon-Z (talk) 21:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry but we really can't assist you with editing from school. You may have to wait till you're home. -- ferret (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I am home :( Porygon-Z (talk) 21:16, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Very unfortunately, but the fact your school/dorm blocks Wikia/Fandom doesn't change whether or not these information belongs on Wikipedia. bulbapedia is the other big Pokemon wiki. -- ferret (talk) 21:18, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I can't get on that either. Man, my school does not like me at all. By the way, I asked a question on Generation 1 Pokemon if you wanna check that out. But anyway thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. Porygon-Z (talk) 21:21, 7 June 2019 (UTC)