Talk:Quincy Market/GA1

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Table created: 17:51, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

Given the size of the article and the status of the nominator as a longtime reliable editor, I set veracity to 20 passages, which I hope will provide enough coverage for the procedure without stretching this review for months. If this is a problem from a procedural point of view, let me know. MKH1020 (talk) 17:51, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

That should be fine - the GA criteria don't specify a set number or percentage of refs or passages. Thanks for doing the source review. Epicgenius (talk) 19:04, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

This table lists 20 random passages from throughout the article (3.0% of 668 total passages). These passages contain 32 inline citations (3.3% of 962 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script.

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Reference #	Letter	Source	Archive	Status	Notes
The complex's eastern boundary, Commercial Street,
3	f	boston.maps.arcgis.com	web.archive.org		Not usual to extract information from a map, but...
4	b	Quincy 2003, pp. 115–116.			Right before chapter 6? Not seeing Commercial Street mentioned there at all. I was using an EPUB copy which did not preserve page order - I found a scan and this seems correct.
The street grid was crooked, and the market's merchants generally stayed just 20 years.
48	b	Quincy 1852, p. 75.			"20 years"
50	b	search.worldcat.org			Could not access, various attempts through ProQuest failed, and the Globe's own archive through Newspapers.com doesn't have May 10th for some reason. Access issues resolved
Benjamin revised the central building's plans, lengthening and enclosing the structure and adding a cellar,
70	b	Boston Landmarks Commission 1996, p. 21.			Not seeing this mentioned there at all - no mention of Benjamin in the document discusses this. Resolved, info removed 15:25, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
72	b	Quincy 2003, pp. 66–67.
Most lenders had been compensated by the end of 1826,
100	d	Quincy 2003, p. 105.
Although the market lacked a direct freight-railroad connection, it was successful by 1840,
135	a	newspapers.com			Already checked this source before the formal check...
The central building's rotunda (seen here in 2018) was restored to its original design in 1925.
153	b	search.worldcat.org
155	a	newspapers.com			Says nothing about architectural restoration or anything, as far as I can tell. Resolved, information removed 15:25, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
The state's Market Authority recommended relocating the Faneuil Hall and Quincy Market marketplaces in 1949,
186		newspapers.com			State authorities not mentioned, only federal ones. Statement corrected to make use of source
187		nytimes.com
who would operate the whole complex.
223		search.worldcat.org
but lenders were loath to provide funding without a large anchor tenant.
242	c	Architectural Record 1977, p. 127.
245	b	Quincy 2003, p. 191.
253	b	newspapers.com			Waiting for TWL Newspapers.com access, searching the same issue with Boston Globe access gives completely different content at that date and number. Managed to get my newspapers.com free counter to reset while waiting (no idea how) - so I can make some progress but not on all sources.
Initial visitors—two-thirds of whom were from Greater Boston—had largely positive impressions.
278	b	newspapers.com			The source does talk about positive impressions and visitors being from the Boston area, but it seems to only sample one visitor and mostly sample tenants, so it is unbacked that "visitors had largely positive impressions". Resolved, information clarified 15:25, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
Known as Marketplace Center, the expansion was completed in 1986;
13	b	newspapers.com			"Marketplace Center" yes, completion date no. resolved 15:25, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
and Mayor Michelle Wu wanted a potential renovation to be completed before Boston's 400th anniversary in 2030.
354	c	cbsnews.com			desire for renovation yes, 2030 no. resolved 15:25, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
356		wcvb.com			ditto
The central building (also called Quincy Market
10	b	newspapers.com
or 120 Doric columns arranged in two parallel array.
360	g	Quincy 2003, p. 91.
The front elevations have round-arched window openings on the second story and square-headed openings on the third and fourth stories.
21	k	National Park Service 1966, p. 2.
364	c	Boston Landmarks Commission 2021, p. 2.
392	b	Boston Landmarks Commission 2024, pp. 5–6.
which are all four bays wide at the front and three at the rear, except one of the central units, which spans five bays at the front and four at the rear.
110	k	Boston Landmarks Commission 2024, p. 5.			Information not evident from content at page number. Mistake in information identification on my part, corrected.
and it allowed everything except "unwholesome articles" to be sold there.
410	a	newspapers.com
By the time J. Safra acquired the complex, many shops were vacant.
352	b	cbsnews.com
For the central building, Parris created a double-shell dome made of layered wooden planks, eliminating the need for large trusses.
447		Quincy 2003, pp. 94–95.
103	c	Faneuil Hall Markets 1969, pp. 22–23 (file pp. 69, 71).
The term "Faneuil Hall Market" could be used to refer to solely Quincy Market (for which this was the official name), or solely the original Faneuil Hall Market (which was officially the "New Faneuil Hall Market").
403	c	newspapers.com
405	b	newspapers.com

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• Quick note for ref [4]: I was originally going to copy the ref for [3] to cite "Commercial Street". Actually, as I was doing this, I noticed that Commercial Street was in the map on page 117, so instead I changed the page range for citation [4]. - Epicgenius (talk) 19:04, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

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• [70] Not seeing this mentioned there at all - no mention of Benjamin in the document discusses this. - Removed.
• [155] Says nothing about architectural restoration or anything, as far as I can tell. - So basically what happened here was that the original sentence in the prose focused on how the rotunda became the Boston Fruit and Produce Exchange, which is in the source. But then I focused instead on the restoration when I copied the caption. Anyway, fixed now.
• [278] The source does talk about positive impressions and visitors being from the Boston area, but it seems to only sample one visitor and mostly sample tenants, so it is unbacked that "visitors had largely positive impressions". - I removed the "positive impressions" part.
• [13] "Marketplace Center" yes, completion date no. - The source was published in 1986 and says Marketplace Center, the curved new building at the water end of Faneuil Hall Marketplace, isn't perfect; I suppose by 1986 is more accurate, so I made that change.
• [354, 356] desire for renovation yes, 2030 no. - Fixed. I was sure that there was a source saying that Wu wanted the marketplace to be renovated by 2030. But I looked at this source and it looks like it was part of another, larger initiative that Wu was planning for 2030. So I removed that part.
• [110] Information not evident from content at page number. - The relevant text is The block consists of 23 attached buildings, most with four-bay granite façades and three-bay brick rear elevations. The single five-bay building, aligned with the rotunda at Quincy Market directly south (Figure 3), is flanked by 12 buildings on the east and 10 buildings on the west. The five-bay building incorporates, at ground level, a brick-lined passageway between North Market St. and Clinton St. retaining brick vaults and a flat ceiling (Figure 4). The rear elevation of this larger building is four bays wide.

– Epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

For 110 it appears that... I was looking at some random page in the document somehow, not sure what happened there. MKH1020 (talk) 13:43, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

[186, 187]: I changed this to "state and federal authorities". (I left the citations in the same place so we don't have state[186] and federal[187] authorities...) – Epicgenius (talk) 13:49, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

Discussion

Initial comments:

This is everything that should not be included in the table.

Forgive me if I was too harsh on this, it's my first time doing a GA review after all and inconveniently for this case I am also quite familiar with the market in-person, but I'm eager to hear your comments MKH1020 (talk) 16:08, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments @MKH1020, I appreciate it. No worries about the comments being harsh; I always appreciate a detailed review.

Regarding (1a), that's a fair point. I've removed or condensed some of the minor architectural details, and added glosses to others. However, the complex's architectural significance is part of the reason it's a National Historic Landmark (p. 3).

Regarding (1b), I considered that, but the article is already pretty long, and I felt like a list of tenants would go against WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Instead, I decided only to mention the particularly notable tenants (e.g. Durgin-Park).

Regarding (3a), a couple of responses:

• I added mention of a couple of additional buildings that are near Quincy Market, including City Hall and Haymarket. Please let me know if you have other suggestions. I know there's buildigns like Union Oyster House not too far from Quincy Market, but listing all the buildings around Quincy Market might be excessive.
• The postmodern building east of Commercial Street is covered in the Site section (East of the marketplace is Marketplace Center, a curved three-story building with a granite facade, which is bisected by a glass-roofed passageway extending east toward the waterfront. Marketplace Center adjoins the base of 200 State Street, a 26-story office tower.). However, the sources I found seem to indicate that this is a standalone building that may be notable on its own (e.g. this source).

In response to your other comments:

1. I added a link to J. Safra Sarasin.
2. I added a sentence to clarify why plans for a wooden structure were replaced with those for a stone structure.
3. This is mentioned in the Site section. In the History section, I've clarified that this creek was a preexisting feature on the site.
4. Good point, and re-reading the source, I agree. I've reworded it.
5. Reworded this too.
6. Removed this term.
7. I assume this is related to your comment for (6b). I could take a look over the next few days. I don't live in Boston, though, so any images would have to come from Commons.
8. This was a precursor to what is now North Station. From the North Station article: The Boston and Maine Railroad (B&M) opened in July 1845, with a temporary station at Canal and Traverse streets. The permanent station, opened on October 20, was between Canal and Haverhill streets and fronted on Haymarket Square. ... The B&M depot was demolished in 1897.

– Epicgenius (talk) 20:44, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

The corrections look great, I think they address pretty much everything which they were meant to. Thank you for adding that bit with the station, the locations of North and South station are so entrenched today that it is hard for most Bostonians (and readers) to imagine there were stations elsewhere previously.

I think the site information is good, everything is notoriously very close to everything else in downtown Boston so we shouldn't mention too much and those were specifically the omissions that I thought were an issue.

This in turn leaves two concerns, 1b and 6b:

• For 1b I guess I did not word it clearly enough, it was a bit of a two-pronged thing:
  • One in terms of overall composition - I think the "name" H2 should be raised up as is typical for city articles, I assume it's appropriate here as well (there aren't really any other improvements possible there).
  • The other concern was about the way the history was written specifically. Today Quincy Market is (as supported by sources) a tourist trap, but obviously it wasn't always the case and the history generally chronicles the types of vendors that existed in the market over time, but not at an even density causing it to not read consistently. I think there could be two parallel histories, one for the complex as a whole, architecturally and in terms of ownership, and another for the role of the market over time. This should be treated as a reorganisation of existing information rather than as an expansion. I agree that vendors themselves should not be listed unless their being at Quincy Market is notable, it is not Wikipedia's job to keep up with that otherwise.
• For 6b, I think improvements can be made with Commons-only images. Obviously this is up to you as I think the article passes GA regardless, but same as said before. Obviously this is nothing super-urgent.

MKH1020 (talk) 22:12, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks for clarifying.

Regarding the first point of (1b), I've reworded the lead to put the location immediately after the description of what Quincy Market is (i.e. Quincy Market (originally Faneuil Hall Market) is a historic marketplace complex in Downtown Boston, Massachusetts, United States.) For the second point, I'll have to consider this a bit more. I can create a "Usage and operation" section similar to Faneuil Hall#Usage and operation, but which also describes how the composition of the vendors has changed over time. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:21, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

Is there MoS guidance one way or the other? For Faneuil Hall the "name" section is right in the middle of the article... I guess I am mainly wondering if there is a reason this is the case there while articles like, say, Boston have "etymology" right under the lead.

Re: Usage and Operation, yes please, you are familiar with the source material and can discern whether this would contribute to the article's legibility or not, just let me know of your conclusion and reasoning when you decide. - MKH1020 (talk) 22:39, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

@MKH1020, oh, I see what you mean now - I totally misread your comment about H2 headings. In articles about towns, cities, etc., the etymology section goes at the top (see WP:CITYSTRUCT). But this isn't necessarily the case for buildings. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:10, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

@MKH1020 - sorry for the excessive pings, let me know if you're watching this page so I don't have to ping all the time. I've split the tenant composition section into its own section, Quincy Market#Tenant composition. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:58, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

Not previously, was planning on checking "by-hand", but am subscribed now. So now it's only the spot check (on me, will get around to it either today or tomorrow) and the images if you want to work on them. MKH1020 (talk) 15:18, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

Sounds good. I've rearranged some images so that they are more closely related to the sections they're illustrating (e.g. the picture of North Market Street is now in the Open spaces section, where the street is mentioned). – Epicgenius (talk) 15:06, 26 August 2026 (UTC)

Ok, now I am done! Not sure why I picked such a massive article as my first ever GA review, but it was fun, thank you for your cooperation and clarification. MKH1020 (talk) 14:47, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

@MKH1020, likewise, thanks for the review. It was really helpful. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:00, 2 September 2026 (UTC)