Talk:Quingnam language/GA1

Comments by ZKang123

I will do an assist on this.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 00:07, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Etymology:

• There are various possible etymologies for the name Quingnam, which is believed to be an exonym. – believed by whom?
• The first links it to the Mochica word king 'to spin'. The name would thus mean 'to spin, for spinning' The first what? Also these sentences are quite repetitive.
• Another etymology can be derived from the name of a person named Quin Namo Might attribute this to Urban (ie. Urban suggested that Quingnam could be derived from...)
• Wikilink the first instance of Chimor

History:

• The Quingnam language became extinct after the arrival... Miguel Feyjoo [wikidata] reported that in 1763, the language had already become extinct in favor of Spanish Quite repetitive
• The language that was described by Aparicio could be either Mochica or Quingnam, but the question is unresolved as these materials have not been found. Probably shorten to: The language that was described by Aparicio could be either Mochica or Quingnam, but these materials have not been found/have been lost.

Geographical distribution:

• Antonio de la Calancha You wikilinked twice

Vocabulary:

• Wikilink attested to Attested language
• Either use "Calancha" or "de la Calancha". Would change "de la Calancha" to "Calancha"

That's all for my prose comments. Seems to be in good shape, especially when discussing the phonology and vocabulary.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 08:54, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

@Kepler-1229b: Please ping when you are done.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 02:33, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

@ZKang123 I've been on wikibreak for the past little while, so I haven't been able to edit this article until now. I've implemented most of your requested changes, although in The first links it to the Mochica word king 'to spin'. The name would thus mean 'to spin, for spinning' the "first" refers to the etymologies listed for this language. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 21:49, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

I don't see any other problems. @Erinius: Feel free to promote.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 10:34, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

• Erinius (talk · contribs) has not edited Wikipedia since June 10, so I am marking this as a second opinion needed. If Erinius returns, they can continue the review as needed. Z1720 (talk) 22:51, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

  ZKang123, it doesn't look like Erinius is going to complete this review any time soon. I see that prose, breadth, netruality, and stability have all been evaluated but I don't see evidence that verifiability has been evaluated through a spot-check of sources, nor that the images have been checked. Would you be able and willing to finish out this review? If not, give me a ping and I can take it over. ~ le 🌸 valyn (talk) 00:45, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

  @LEvalyn: Unfortunately I don't have the time to do another good look through. Feel free to take over.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 01:28, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

  Thanks for letting me know, I'll take it over. ~ le 🌸 valyn (talk) 01:32, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

Comments from LEvalyn

Kepler-1229b, I will finish off the review! The licensing checks out for the two images (and two is a pretty respectable number of images for a topic like a long-extinct barely-documented language), so I just have a few prose comments and the source check to finish off the review. It is very close -- just give me a ping when you're ready for me to take another look! ~ le 🌸 valyn (talk) 03:26, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

Prose comments:

• In "Official status", can you give a sense of the temporal range during which the kingdom of Chimor may have existed? ~ le 🌸 valyn (talk) 03:26, 10 August 2026 (UTC)
• Similarly, it would be good for the text to indicate roughly when (like, what century) Pedro de Aparicio would have been chronlicling things. ~ le 🌸 valyn (talk) 03:26, 10 August 2026 (UTC)
• Since "evangelization in Quechua" is in quotation marks, there should be a closer attribution for where those words came from. Or maybe just paraphrase? ~ le 🌸 valyn (talk) 03:26, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

Source check: just 1 thing to address in the table below. This table lists 7 random passages from throughout the article (10.4% of 67 total passages). These passages contain 7 inline citations (9.5% of 74 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. ~ le 🌸 valyn (talk) 03:26, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

@LEvalyn Thanks for finishing the review. I'm implementing your changes right now. I'l let you know when I'm done. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 04:19, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

I've implemented your required fixes and additions. For the "evangelization of the North Coast" quote (which is what I assume you meant by your comment Since "evangelization in Quechua" is in quotation marks, there should be a closer attribution for where those words came from. Or maybe just paraphrase?) I can't really find a way to paraphrase and the quote isn't something I believe attribution is necessary for, as I believe it would sound kind of awkward. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 04:33, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

actually, it was a different phrase that was in stranded quotes, that I then paraphrased while I was source-checking that line -- sorry for not deleting the comment! The remaining "evangelization of the North Coast" quote feels sufficiently attributed in context. Thanks for the very speedy fixes, the article now looks great and I will gladly pass it! ~ le 🌸 valyn (talk) 04:40, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

More information Reference #, Letter ...

Reference #	Letter	Source	Archive	Status	Notes
According to Matthias Urban (2019), another etymology can be derived from the name of a person named Quin Namo. This person is only mentioned in a document called the Crónica de Ocxaguaman. The name has a similar structure to other names in the territory of Chimor, specifically in the presence of an element -namo, possibly designating a title of a lord. Perhaps Quin Namo was so important as to serve as the namesake for his language, and many other language designations of the Spanish derive from personal names.
3	c	publications.iai.spk-berlin.de		Y
The exact reason for its extinction is unclear; "evangelization in Quechua" and devastating epidemics in the region of Trujillo have been proposed. Nevertheless, it would appear as though some knowledge of vocabulary from the Indigenous language of Trujillo persisted past its demise; in 1793, some non-Quechua vocabulary was recorded in a general description of the area by D. José Ignacio de Lecuanda.
3	g	publications.iai.spk-berlin.de		⏳	The first sentence here verifies as cited, but the second sentence (about Lecuanda's description) doesn't appear on p. 176. Maybe the wrong page being cited? ~ le 🌸 valyn (talk) 03:26, 10 August 2026 (UTC)
Čestmír Loukotka and Paul Rivet (1952) classified Quingnam with Mochica in their "Mučik" family.
13		Rivet, P.; Loukotka, Č. (1952). "Langues de l'Amérique du Sud et des Antilles". In Meillet, A.; Coh…		⏳	I couldn't access this source, but this statement accords with what Urban has to say about Rivet so I am happy to WP:AGF this one. ~ le 🌸 valyn (talk) 03:26, 10 August 2026 (UTC)
Rita Eloranta-Barrera Virhuez (2020) believes that the term Pescadora was used as a cover term to designate all languages spoken in "maritime regions", such as "by the seashore, next to the sea, in the Pacific coast, at harbors", as opposed to the Yunga languages, spoken inland and far from the coastal areas.
16	b	lotpublications.nl		Y
Virtually nothing can be said about the grammatical structures of Quingnam. Nevertheless, a few salient features can be identified in the data.
3	z	publications.iai.spk-berlin.de		Y
Quingnam is extremely poorly attested. The primary source generally attributed in it is the letter discovered at the El Brujo complex in 2010, containing 14 numerals in a language generally assumed to be Quingnam. The numerals are quite dissimilar to those in Mochica, but some show clear signs of being loaned from Quechua. A few other scattered words are mentioned by colonial sources, as well as some possible Quingnam-derived words in the local dialect of Spanish spoken in the region today. In addition to these sources, proper names, including personal names and toponyms, can be taken to be derived from Quingnam, and analyzed accordingly.
3	ae	publications.iai.spk-berlin.de		Y
Mogrovejo, in his description of the Santa Valley, includes two words from Indigenous languages of the region: pez 'reed plantation', but also states that its "actual name" is saucha. It is unclear what Mogrovejo meant by "actual name"; perhaps these words come from the same language, but referred to different things, or they could be from different languages. The Mochica word for 'grass' is pei, and the Quechua word sacha, depending on dialect, means 'weeds' or bushes', which could be linked to saucha.
3	an	publications.iai.spk-berlin.de		Y

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