Talk:Steam Machine/Archive 1

Currently "steam machine" redirects to steam engine with no disambiguation to here. I presume it should lead straight here, maybe with disambiguation towards steam engine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.154.140 (talk) 12:25, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, there is a hatnote on steam engine that points to here; I know since I put it there (and just checked to see that it is). Given that I'm not sure if this will be the name Valve will stick with, it doesn't make sense to disrupt the more historical "steam machine" ==> "steam engine" which is the much more common use of the term. --MASEM (t) 14:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I think there's a good case to be made for giving this article at least equal priority to 'steam engine'. I've personalgly never heard the term 'steam machine' in reference to steam engines. It's not a term on wiktionary. I presume it's obscure or archaic. I think far more people searching for 'steam machine' are looking for this article rather than 'steam engine'. As Valve is calling these things 'Steam Machines' in all of their communications, I don't think we can really presume that's going to change.--109.148.173.167 (talk) 22:29, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I guess there should be a disambiguation page for all the links in the header..?--86.130.30.159 (talk) 23:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Why is it "Steam Machines is"? It's definitely plural, as it refers to several different devices.--86.130.30.159 (talk) 23:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

It's a brand name. Mind you, I think this is a US-vs-UK issue (like "The Beatles are" or "The Beatles is"). I'll check on that. --MASEM (t) 00:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

If the plural is actually the brand name, shouldn't the article be moved to Steam Machines? — Reatlas (talk) 08:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a problem, as I see "Steam Machine" used to describe one of them. I'm going to rewrite it as singular. --MASEM (t) 15:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, the lead sentence is fine, so I just made it "Steam Machines are...". --MASEM (t) 15:12, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I think the title needs to be singular, even though there will be many different Steam Machines, elsewhere on Wikipedia titles are normally singular, e.g. Bicycle and many others. --Danrok (talk) 14:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Unless it's a proper name, such as Micro Machines. -- ferret (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Except we're not talking about the title, we're talking about how it's referred to in the article. The Wikipedia article Bicycle does not start with "Bicycle is". The title should be Steam Machine, but as 'Steam Machine' does not refer to a single piece of technology but rather a range of different consoles, and considering Valve has always referred to the concept as "Steam Machines", never "the Steam Machine", the article should definitely be written to reflect this.--86.167.177.238 (talk) 20:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Steam Link deviceis not a Steam Machine as it does not run Steam OS. Just read and . So while it is true that is made by Valve and runs Linux it is not at all in the same catagory as Steam Machines. Steam Link is really just a video streamer, is practially only a media player that plays a video stream remotley over a local network an can forward input from controllers to the PC that is actually running the game and streaming a live video stream of that game, and in fact its internals has the same low-end ARM based SoC/chipset as the first-generation Chromecast, so it can not hope to play any PC games nativly, being just about as powerfull as the first-generation Raspberry Pi. Additional rerason for it to be in its own aticle is that it does not only support streaming from Steam Machines but the Steam Link does also support streaming games from PCs running Microsoft Windows.194.16.178.140 (talk) 07:30, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

The Xbox 360 Controller, for example, has its own page. I believe it's important enough to warrant being separated from Steam Machines. Thoughts?

Nicereddy (talk) 06:43, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

The bulk of the 360 controller article is the various versions that are out there. There is presently only one design for the Steam controller, so whatever there is about its development works here, particularly since on the rest of the hardware, we're not going to have dedicated specs. --MASEM (t) 06:46, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

This article might help on the controller article, though I would wait to make it until the actual final, LCD-touchscreen controller is available, mid-this year, to make it. --MASEM (t) 23:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I'd agree with waiting until it is out in its final form Samwalton9 (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Two new arguments for why the Steam Controller should be in own article is that is today also sold as a stand-alone device to be used not only on Steam Machines (SteamOS based computers) but also have official driver for Microsoft Windows. And it also comes with the Steam Link as well which is a streaming device that does not run SteamOS (even though it too is Linux based). 194.16.178.140 (talk) 07:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Too many ppl editing warring over this. The Steam machine is a personal computer. A console is also a personal computer, though sold in way that is standardized and prevents the user from customizing it as much as a typical PC. There are some vendors that are planning a standardized Steam Machine that will be treated as a console, but the overall concept of a Steam Machine is a personal computer. --MASEM (t) 16:49, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I'd say that Steam Machines would generally have a single purpose of playing games, as a console would. While a personal computer is multi-use, and gaming is just one of them. Although, it would be nice to have official sourcing by Valve, of course. But they seem to have succeeded in avoiding the usage of both terms, and just call it a "machine" or "hardware" or "box". _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 00:50, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't we abstain from using 'console' until this is clarified? History of video game consoles (eighth generation) last lead paragraph contradicts this article. « Ryūkotsusei » 19:58, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

There's also an issue with attaching it to the 8th Generation, since with upgradabilility in mind and off the shelf PC parts, there is no "generation" of Steam Machines. It's a moving sliding window much like any PC. The "8th generation" is simply when it makes it debut timeframe wise. -- ferret (talk) 22:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

All the same things can today be said about the Xbox One which uses also x86 computer based hardware arhitecture and more interestingly now runs a varient of Windows 10. I think the difference is the way that it is marketed and main purpose for which is it meant to be used. If can all agree that the Xbox One is currently still sold as "console" and not a PC, then I think that we can also agree that Steam Machines is also sold as a "console" and not a PC. Wheather or not it can be reinstalled or be used for other purposes as well is irrelevent for this purpose of deffining its classification as a Console or as a PC. It is marketed and sold as a game console, not a PC. 194.16.178.140 (talk) 07:44, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

You're right! PS3 had official desktop linux mode. So PS3 could be used as personal desktop computer. And PS3 still was a console. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.141.157.174 (talk) 21:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Would somebody with access to the beta version hardware be willing to take a high resolution picture, crop it and put it up? DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 20:25, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Many beta hardware users on reddit's /r/steam post occasionally. See if you can find them and message them. Try these two I found after a quick look around: AteByte and swim711crazy Nicereddy (talk) 23:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

We also now have several on display at CES though how open that is, I dunno. . --MASEM (t) 01:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Why no disambiguation link to Daft Punks steam machine? 115.188.135.11 (talk) 07:37, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, the disamb is excessive already. -- ferret (talk) 13:26, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

This equipment is out now. Sections of the front page (eg 'steam link') speak about it coming out in the future. Needs updating. I don't know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.247.71 (talk) 17:32, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

The controller section is one of the largest sections in the article and it is not complete, lacking a reception section. Other controllers such as Xbox One Controller have their own article, and the Steam Controller would be better covered in its own article too. - hahnchen 11:32, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Seems reasonable! Sam Walton (talk) 12:27, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Agreed that it can be split off now now that it's released. --MASEM (t) 12:29, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

• ✓ Done: Steam Controller. Just needs cleanup now czar 16:47, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

ALIENWARE ALPHA are steam consoles running on Windows 10, so this hole page need to be updates! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.80.157.6 (talk) 23:36, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

The current main image shows a development controller and very little and is a bad example of Steam Machines. We don't show the PS3 off with the development boomerang controller. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MLisDreaming (talk • contribs) 02:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Guys, a we sure that this thing was $6000? is that a typo or nah because it seems slightly steep init TheOfficialTheOnlyGroupAccount (talk) 16:51, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

It's from this article based on Falcon NW's customizable line. --Masem (t) 17:54, 8 September 2021 (UTC)