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Supermodel definition

My initial feeling on reading this article is that it plays loose and fast with the term "supermodel." Mainly, it seems as if one important, arguably defining distinction of "supermodel" has been neglected here: The model who's also a household name.

It seems as if this article confuses "working model" with "supermodel," as commercial appearances, and even a memorable and lengthy tenure on the runway, do not a supermodel make. The concept has always transcended the fashion and marketing industries, so a model well-known in the industry hasn't necessarily earned the right to be called a "supermodel."

I'm in favor of elucidating this a bit more with some (more intelligible) form of the statement: "However, the elite models who are given the appellation of 'supermodel' often share similar traits. Among those is that their names are popularly and internationally known outside of the fashion and media industries." Just a suggestion.

Here's some evidence to support a change like this: Dickinson's use of the term was not strictly in reference to the amount of work that she was doing, but the profile of that work. (That is, she was a spokesperson for Revlon, not merely appearing in her commercials.) Dickinson interview

Heidi Klum: "'Supermodel' means you're a household name as a fashion model." Excerpt from Jon Bowe's "GIG"

Tyra Banks: "A supermodel is a chameleon. She can change with the times and with the fashions, but at the same time has branded herself to be a household name, which is very rare ... if you can do a survey across America asking if they know this woman's name and they do, that's a supermodel. Someone like Cindy Crawford or Claudia Schiffer." Tyra Banks interview at EW.com

I should point out that the existing statement in the article, "Supermodels often parlay their celebrity into product endorsement deals and acting careers," is in keeping with this definition: They have a personal brand strong enough to support both of these roles.

My thought is that the current definition, "highly-paid elite fashion model who usually has a worldwide reputation and often a background in haute couture and commercial modeling" is pretty spot on. I think your comments blur the distinction between "supermodel" and "celebrity". Paris Hilton and Heidi Klum are both celebrities, but neither is a Supermodel because neither has the high fashion or editorial background necessary to qualify. It's no surprise that Klum (not a Supermodel) and Banks (a frequent baseline for arguments about Supermodel status) would be pushing this "if people know your name you are a Supermodel" nonsense.Bogan444 (talk) 22:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts? I suppose you could also make an argument for this being the old definition of supermodel. --Csaunders4z 22:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The media and the fashion industry have different views on who should be called a "supermodel". Media tends to use it more loosely and without regard. However, it is not the same with the fashion industry. I was hoping the two views can be elaborated. (Number1spygirl 01:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)).

Wikipedia lists four different people as being the "first supermodel." We have Janice Dickinson's claims, Gia Carangi, this article's reference to Lisa Fonssagrives and another reference to Dorian Leigh in a footnote on the Carangi page. This article should lay out the case for the most likely candidate and each of the other pages should be edited to conform to this page. GregE625 (talk) 14:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The difference between a model and a super model is a model is when a supermodel is in a magazine the article is about her. When a model appears in a magazine the article is about what the model is wearing. Yes there are articles about a supermodels clothes but it is about HER clothes rather than a actually being about the clothes.Drewder (talk) 02:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I have to take issue with the whole term. There is no valid reason for calling a model a 'supermodel'. They are models! There are models with varying degree of success, but that is the same with any other profession. You never hear the term 'superactor' or 'superdancer', or 'superlawyer', even if there ARE articles in magazines or papers about particular people. Let's just get back to calling them what they are and not put any artificial titles on them. Iggyc61 (talk) 02:45, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

A supermodel is also one who is a model of the now generation and more importantly surpasses the mass majority in terms of net income. Shendice17 (talk) 13:50, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Upcoming supermodels

This section should go. This section is there to make "predictions" (how do we know who is and who will not be a "supermodel"?) and is akin to an "Upcoming superstars" category on a page about celebrity. It doesn't belong in an encyclopedia, and one could make the argument it is a vanity section. I'll wait a few days before removing it. --DavidShankBone 18:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Origins

In the origins of the term, shouldn't something be said about Janice Dickinson's claim that she coined the term when talking to her booker in (I think it was) France? KyrieSanctus 03:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It's already there in the second paragraph of the "Origins..." mirageinred 00:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I think this paragraph should go -- it's pretty clear that she did not invent or even popularize the term. In which case her claim is not germane to the point; and the piece says more about her than it does about the term supermodel. Therefore it should be cut out and placed in Ms. Dickinson's entry (if she has one).Cross Reference 23:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, she has an article here on Wikipedia. I mean, of course. And, no, I don't feel that the mention of her claiming to have invented the term should be taken out. It's not saying that she invented it, but only that she claims to have. And I feel that her claim is notable, seeing as some people in the modeling industry don't even try to refute that claim of hers and she says that particular claim often. Flyer22 01:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Reading source 19 "Men from Asia" I find that the word "supermodel" is used differently and has nothing to do with the article. 92.229.164.204 (talk) 00:55, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Globalization

April 3rd 2007.

This topic needs more information about international supermodels. I added the following info, but someone deleted it later on without explaining why? I'd like to know.

Traditionally supermodels have only been popular in North America and Europe but with globalization and increased economic success supermodels are becoming popular in Africa and Asia in countries which have benefitted the most from a bolstered economy.

African Supermodels:

Asian Supermodels

I have re-added the following info:

Supermodels are becoming more popular in countries with bolstered economies. Africa has seen an influx of "home grown supermodels" which includes Kiara Kabukuru from Uganda, Kaone Kario from South Africa, Yasmin Warsame & Kadra Ahmed Omar from Somalia, Liya Kebede from Ethiopia, Ajuma Nasenyana from Kenya, Venantia Otto from Namibia, Agbani Darego, Nnnena, Oluchi Onweagba, Dolapo Olorunisola & Caroline Chikezie from Nigeria.

References: http://www.asiaarts.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=33733

  • You really water down the charge of racism by jumping to such conclusions and spouting them off half-cocked. People who do that damage the anti-racism movement by casually throwing around that charge. The reason is in the edit summary found here with the revert. You have created a bunch of articles that are not sourced, and will be speedily deleted not because of racism, but because you provide no sources backing up your claims that these are supermodels, and notable supermodels at that. You haven't formatted any of the articles to Wikipedia standards. Look at some biography articles and you can see how they are done. Then, you also didn't format this information to look like it even belonged in this article. There are no sources or citations - why are we to believe you? All of these reasons are why I reverted your addition. --David Shankbone 17:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I removed Cathee Dahmen from Supermodels of the 1940's Cathee Dahmen worked in the late 1960.s Cathee Dahmen, ModlyInLove 10:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)ModlyinLove

Why, then, is she still listed? Heatherfire 00:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

History

I added History and made sections: first supermodel, supermodel era and decline of supermodel popularity for easy browsing. (Number1spygirl 15:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC))

Name inclusion

This article has an enormous name list of "supermodels". I suggest we should only include names that are noteworthy. e.g. Lisa Fonssagrives, the world's first supermodel. (Number1spygirl 12:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)).

I edited the 2000's slightly. You had lumped Gisele in with much younger Brazilian models who came after her and implied Gisele was made famous by Victoria Secret, which is simply incorrect. The signing of Gisele was a huge event because it marked the first time the relatively downmarket VS had contracted a Supermodel. Gisele's contract was huge, and it represented a big risk for VS. But it proved to be a great success. After Gisele, being a VS model became something of a status symbol. So it was Gisele that made being a VS model something of importance, not the other way around.Bogan444 (talk) 20:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Supermodels vs celebrities

I feel that many of the names listed are merely celebrities and fame is not a sole indicator of a supermodel. It is indeed a part of it; supermodels are well known. However, I feel the quality of the work the model is doing should be considered before she is included on this list. A supermodel should be doing high profile work, for high profile designers as well as possibly a variety of other enterprises. I do not think that Victoria's secret models should really count as supermodels if that is all they are noted for, as this is clearly not high fashion and high street labels, whether they do a runway show or not, should not really be included as employing "supermodels". Feel free to contest this point but if you look at the work completed by Kate Moss, and compare it to, say, Tyra Banks, it is clear who the more successful model is, and who is a celebrity. Bingosaurus 04:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

But it should also be noted that doing many high fashion works does not also qualify someone as supermodel. An example would be Daria Werbowy, Vlada Roslyakova, etc. The references have stated that attaining celebrity status is an important factor of attaining the title "supermodel". (Number1spygirl 06:03, 28 September 2007 (UTC))

I agree, however the first sentence of the article is "A supermodel is a highly-paid elite fashion model who usually has a worldwide reputation and often a background in haute couture and commercial modeling." My point is that a supermodel should be primarily as a model and should be highly paid in this particular enterprise, as opposed to other projects. For example, most would identify Kate Moss or Giselle Bundchen as a model, but not Tyra Banks.Bingosaurus 02:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Tyra Banks was primarily a model pre-talk show days. Where do you think the Campbell-Banks feud comes from? Number1spygirl 12:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
The question is whether her body of work rose to the level of Supermodel. Becoming famous is an important part of being a Supermodel, but all the true Supermodels became famous because of their work as models, not the other way around. Banks is a tricky example. I personally don't consider her a Supermodel, but at least understand where the argument could be made because she does have some high fashion and editorial experince. A better example of the point would probably be somebody like Heidi Klum, who is widely known for her celebrity, and used to be a model of sorts (underwear and swimsuits mostly), but clearly isn't a Supermodel.Bogan444 (talk) 22:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Supermodels of the new millennium and the increase of Brazilian models

Sections removed. These are sections that discuss about "looks of the moment" not about evolution of the word supermodel. Just because someone has that "look" doesn't make them a supermodel. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.Number1spygirl 00:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

So can an unattractive person sue a modeling agency for not hiring them?

Can an unattractive person sue a modeling agency for not hiring them because they are unattractive? How can modeling agencies discriminate with respect to facial bone structure and yet they cannot discriminate with respect to skin color? Both skin color and facial bone structure are two traits that people are born with. Whenever a fashion designer says he wants this beautiful person to wear his clothing but not this unattractive person he is discriminating because he thinks that if the unattractive person models the clothing that no one will like his fashion design. How can he do this without being sued? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.78.148 (talk) 13:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

To answer that, go back to Aristotle who answered "Why do men pursue pretty women?" with "It's a question a blind man can certainly ask."

Simple Darwinism too. Those who use less attractive models do worse than those who don't, so anyone who wants to survive is pretty much forced to use attractive models. The ugly can sue all they want, but anyone with common sense won't take the case.

It's also worth considering the possibility of a fugly woman excelling at sport. You don't really think anyone would bother to show up at the games, right? Ugly people can do what they want, but they can't force people to watch them, and advertising is all about getting people to watch. Case closed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.70.186 (talk) 23:26, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Male supermodels

Can any male model be said to have "worldwide recognition"? Every female supermodel in the article is a household name. The Male Supermodels section, as currently written, add nothing to this article. I'm recommending we delete it. Thoughts? Darkspots (talk) 20:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

"First supermodel"?

How can Lisa Fonssagrives be the "first supermodel" when the term did not even exist back then? I don't think we can. For the same reason we cannot label Achilles or Genghis Khan "war criminals", because the term refers to the modern era. We cannot label an individual investigator from the 17th century as a "private eye" because the term refers to a profession specifically of the 20th century and beyond. And so on. -The Gnome (talk) 09:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

She's probably labeled the first supermodel just as Doug Williams and Julie Olson are labeled the first supercouple (not just first soap opera supercouple), even though the term did not exist until Luke Spencer and Laura Webber. Doug and Julie most likely get that title because of how they were the first soap opera couple to grace the cover of TIME magazine and how there was so much mania surrounding them. Basically, a supercouple without the title of being called that then. Flyer22 (talk) 00:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

"Supermodel"

Although Janice Dickinson claims to have "invented" the term in 1979, American Vogue used the term "supermodel" on the cover page to describe Margaux Hemingway on the September 1, 1975 edition. This can be seen clearly on the cover I found at eBay.Co.UK and in the Vogue archives.

Just giving a litle more evidence that Dickinson did not coin the term - at least not in 1979, anyway. ExRat (talk) 03:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

This would be good to incorporate into the section of the term's origin in this article, of course. Thanks for the information, ExRat. Flyer22 (talk) 04:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The only person who supports Janice Dickinson's claim of being the first supermodel (and coiner of the term) is Janice Dickinson. Simply put, her claims do not meet the burden of proof for inclusion. There isn't really debate (at least, no serious debate) over her claim. In fact, there are many sources contradicting her claim. If some random model, say Christy Turlington, claimed to be the first supermodel, would we suddenly insert some text into the article detailing that assertion? The answer is, of course, no. If all one had to do in order to be included in an article was cry wolf, then Wikipedia would be a crowded and unreliable place. Claims have to meet the burden of proof. They must be evidenced per Wiki policy. Since Janice's claims have no evidentiary support, they should be left out of the article or, at the very minimum, should be accompanied by phrasing that indicates they are unsubstantiated. Janice happens to be the loudest person claiming to be the first supermodel, but that doesn't mean she actually was the first one. ask123 (talk) 18:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Her claim that she is the first supermodel is notable; it is a well-known claim, and has defined her career as much as anything else. All we need is her claiming that she is the first supermodel, with a valid reference showing that she has done so (no matter how familiar we are with this claim), then present evidence that disputes her claim. That is what that section in this article is doing. That is how many "issues" like this go, not just on Wikipedia. Flyer22 (talk) 20:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it has defined her career, and, thus it is notable to her (and to the article, Janice Dickinson). It has much less relevance to the larger world of supermodels and "supermodelling." Also, a claim must meet the burden of evidence for inclusion, not be included and then removed only if there is a contradicting source. Dickinson's is a claim without evidence, as opposed to, say, the Salisbury Daily Times referring to Twiggy as a supermodel, which is actually the evidence itself. There are lots of people who claim lots of things. All of these instances are not included in Wikipedia articles unless they meet the burden of evidence or are relevant for another reason. If George W. Bush says that Pensacola is the capital of Spain, should the Wikipedia article, Spain, now state that George W. Bush has claimed that Pensacola is the Spanish capital (with a citation from, say, The New York Times showing that he said it)? Should that be included and followed by another statement indicating that others have said, however, it's Madrid? Of course not - Bush's comment should be left out entirely.
In this particular case, though one might argue that Dickinson's claim has gotten around, so to speak, and has thereby become notable. If that's the case, then, yes, state the claim with a source showing that she said it. But be proportional in how much space you give it and state all the relevant facts. In contrast, as it stands now, the section in question is written almost around the Dickinson claim. There is more text devoted to her claim in that section than to any other. Yet, her claim is the dubious of the bunch. The others have evidentiary support. Consequently, her claim deserves perhaps one sentence, or maybe none at all. And that's only if one accepts that her evidence-less claim is notable to this particular article (not any another article like, say, Janice Dickinson).ask123 (talk) 21:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
As I stated on your talk page, it is quite clear that Dickinson has engrained the first supermodel claim enough into society's psyche that she is often referred to or introduced as the self-described first supermodel, sometimes simply being called the world's first supermodel:
Janice Dickinson Defends Hewitt In A Bikini As Healthy: "Tyra Banks Is Fat"
Janice Dickinson: the self-proclaimed first supermodel
Bulletin: Janice Dickinson Looks Hot!
Janice Dickinson
Let's not forget how her being a judge on America's Next Top Model helped this claim. Often, when people think of the world's first supermodel, Dickinson's claim comes to mind. She has created enough of a debate with it. So I would not say that there is entirely no debate about it. When presented with sources, like the Supermodel aricle does about this issue, however, it is easy to see how disputed her claim is, and I do not feel that the word erroneous helps to point this out any more than the way that section does already; all the word erroneous does is make it seem like a person is knocking the reader over the head with a bat even more than that section already is, asking "You see? You see?" I mean, yes, the person sees that her claim is significantly disputed. To suggest that readers need an added bonus of the word erroneous to grasp that fact is insulting to the readers.
In any case, that addition about Dickinson's claim is clearly notable enough for inclusion. Flyer22 (talk) 21:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I got your message, but you haven't gotten mine. This isn't about the word "erroneous." It's about the ideas here. As I said, I'm all about subtelty too, as long as the article is clear. This article is not. The section in question devotes more space to Dickinson's claim than to any other. In fact, the text is practically written around the Dickinson claim. I agree that we don't want to insult readers, of course not -- we're not here to tell them how to think - that's a given, Expository Writing 101, knowledge anyone who's picked up a book has. But we are here to present clearly and in a proportional manner material that's backed up by reliable sources. There is no proportionality here. Dickinson's claim should have one terse sentence if it's included at all, not four verbose ones. The Dickinson claim is the side note, rather than the current version's take, in which the other claims -- those backed by evidence -- are presented as tangential Dickinson's claim is the main attraction.
As I said on your talk page before, the only debate over the Dickinson claim is St. Janice somewhere in the Andromeda Galaxy. There is no debate among those informed on the subject. As with any matter, those who are uninformed may debate to the cows come home - they don't know enough about the topic to have an informed argument. But that is not what we are talking about. We're talking about debate among those in the know. And among those in the know, there is no debate. Dickinson's claim is refuted and the evidence backs that up. Also, her show does far less than you claim to promote a debate on this topic. We're talking about a worldwide issue, and her American syndie TV show has done little to give her claim creedence on the international stage. You're presenting a purely American point of view, and, as you know, Wikipedia speaks to a global audience.
ask123 (talk) 22:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
You haven't gotten my message either, apparently. As I stated on your talk page, I see that part of the article as quite clear. And I did not state that "her American syndie" has given "her claim creedence on the international stage". I stated that her claim is notable, and Dickinson has engrained the first supermodel claim enough into society's psyche that she is often referred to or introduced as the self-described first supermodel, sometimes simply being called the world's first supermodel. I do not care if you reduce that to simply being the American audience. And I am not the one harping on one word. You are the one who so badly wanted the word erroneous in there, as if it would actually improve that section. And now you're saying that it's about ideas? Whatever. In any case, I'm done with this discussion or whatever the hell it was/is. I see nothing wrong with that section, and am for it staying how it is. You want it miminized as though it should be. Take it to RfC if you feel that strongly about it. Flyer22 (talk) 23:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
And as for Wikipedia being about a global audience, it is also quite clear that in the English Wikipedia, this one, you will mostly see American-associated or related topics. Just as in the other versions of Wikipedia, the American view is not as prominent. For some topics specifically here on the English Wikipedia, it is mainly the American view that can be represented because a topic or subject is not that well-known in other countries. Whether or not Dickinson is the first supermodel is much more interesting to the American audience than any other, anyway. But oh well. As stated before, I'm done with this discussion or whatever it was/is. Flyer22 (talk) 00:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow, you keep bring up the word "erroneous" - as if I care about that term or not. C'mon, man, I placed the word in once or twice, and that was after it was already there and I saw it get deleted. So just get over it already. The redundancy is starting to ring in my ears.
Yes, English Wikipedia contains mostly American-associated topics, a point that has nothing to do with the fact that it is supposed to have a worldwide view of the subjects it covers. And just because something is "interesting" to American readers, does not make it notable or worthy of more space. There are a lot of "interesting" points that are left out of Wikipedia because that alone isn't enough for inclusion or expansion.
As I said on my talk page, I can see where you're coming from if you use an exteremely loose interpretation of the concept of "notability," but, again, that just opens up the door for anyone to say, "Hey, I was the first supermodel," and suddenly be notable. Under your rationale, simply saying that enough times makes you notable enough not just to get into the Supermodel article but also to take up a pivotal position in the section on origination. As I said before, even taking a loose interpretation of notability, her claim is still worth only a sentence or two at most - it's just a tangential note. I doubt a fashion historian would devote as much space to Dickinson's claim as you have.
Lastly, as I mentioned before to you: Assume good faith, AGF, AGF, AGF! Throughout this whole discussion on this page and my talk page, you've been a live-wire with a major attitude. You need to pipe down and stop trying so hard to infantalize. A little good faith goes a long way... ask123 (talk) 20:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with you! It's that damn simple. As I sated on your talk page, I see you with the attitude, and the one acting like a child, with your silly insults. Including Dickinson's claim in the Supermodel article does not open "up the door for anyone to say, 'Hey, I was the first supermodel,' and suddenly be notable." It is not about simply saying something enough times and becoming notable enough to get into the Supermodel article or taking "up a pivotal position in the section on origination." I disagree with you. No, we will not be at this for weeks, because I am done with you; it's that damn simple.
You make it out as though I am unaware that the Supermodel article needs work. I did not write it. I just keep crap out of it. You see Dickinson's claim being in the article as crap; that is your opinion. This whole thing started with your need to put erroneous in that section beside Dickinson's claim, and now you've made it about something else. I don't see how there can be any surprise that one would be a little "what?" at your sudden change in direction. I have stated that I disagree with you. You clearly disagree with me. You say that, yes, the English Wikipedia contains mostly American-associated topics, a point that has nothing to do with the fact that it is supposed to have a worldwide view of the subjects it covers. I said that a subject being mostly American-related does not often lend it room to contain enough views on the subject from other countries. I did not say that just because something is "interesting" to American readers, it makes it notable or worthy of more space. I told you to take it to RfC if you feel so strongly about it because that is the next logical step. Not to give you an attitude. Done is done. Or at least I hope it is in this case. Flyer22 (talk) 22:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Woa, woa, woa! That's fine that you disagree with me. But you keep coming back with these aggressive posts. Please just pipe down for God's sake... ask123 (talk) 20:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I am calm. But whatever. Flyer22 (talk) 04:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Supermodel (mathematics)

"Supermodel" is a term used by mathematicians and the like when modeling a particular problem, meaning a model that is composed of several models to solve a particular problem.

Looks like this deserves a whole other page. 67.5.147.111 (talk) 13:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. It really doesn't belong here, except as a "See also" or some such. Piano non troppo (talk) 02:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Section may need a rewrite or removed

This section of the article does not sound right to me, it sounds like a magazine POV piece, i think it needs to be removed.


The current generation of supermodels

As 2007, ten years after the official decline of the supermodel, many people felt it was time for the supermodel to make a comeback. In the May 2007 issue of American Vogue it featured on the cover ten of today's top models, these models were Sasha Pivovarova, Doutzen Kroes, Caroline Trentini, Raquel Zimmermann, Isabeli Fontana, Jessica Stam, Agyness Deyn, Coco Rocha, Hilary Rhoda, Chanel Iman, and Lily Donaldson. These girls have graced the cover of such fashion magazine as Elle, Numéro, and the many international publications of Vogue, and are currently living up to the public eye's expectation of what a supermodel does, by replacing actresses, and singers as the faces of such high fashion brands such as Dolce & Gabbana, DKNY, Chanel, Versace and Yves Saint Laurent.

Anyone agree? Pro66 (talk) 12:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes, delete it. No question. ask123 (talk) 19:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Yep. Needs deleting. I'm off to do that now. Flyer22 (talk) 20:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Too American-centred

Perhaps indian, oriental and other supermodels can be given their place aswell. Li Gong, N'Bushe Wright, Tamara Mello, Freida Pinto, ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.180.133 (talk) 13:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Modern supermodels?

Present day

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Timeline

Gisele nonsense

Male supermodels?

Perceptions, critical analysis, body ideals, etc.

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Wages and the gender gap

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Social Media Models Are NOT the new supers.

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