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Passed. Edward056686 (talk) 00:01, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

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Nominator: UndercoverClassicist (talk · contribs) 15:10, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

Reviewer: Edward056686 (talk · contribs) 07:10, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

I am reviewing this. Edward056686 (talk) 07:10, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi Edward056686: thanks for taking this on. I look forward to your comments. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:55, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

I will comment on everything that I notice, but not every comment will strictly be based on the Good Article criteria. If there’s anything you disagree with, feel free to ignore it.

  • for a total of more than sixty years. Could it be "for a total of over sixty years"?.
    • There would be nothing wrong with that, but I don't see what the problem or improvement might be here? UndercoverClassicist T·C 05:39, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
      • I just thought it would slightly shorten an already long sentence, but it isn't necessary. Edward056686 (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
  • He was also a long-time member of the English Eight, shooting for, coaching and captaining England in the Elcho match for a total of more than sixty years. Can you explain what the English Eight is for readers like me, who don’t know about it?
  • Charles William Fremantle, who became deputy master of the Royal Mint, was the second baron's brother, and so Thomas's paternal uncle the combination of shared names and titles is hellacious and you did a good job of handling it. Having said that, can it be shortened to “Thomas’ paternal uncle Charles William Fremantle became deputy master of the Royal Mint”.
  • He shot against Cambridge University in both the long-range Humphry Cup and the short-range Chancellors' Plate in each of his four years of study: Oxford won seven out of these eight matches;[2] Fremantle's was the highest score in his debut Chancellor's match of 1881,[8] and he submitted the top individual score in each Humphry match between 1882 and 1884.[9] I suggest breaking up this sentence.
  • Normally, the events in "Public life" and "Shooting career" should be chronological and this article kind of bounces back and forth, but I can understand why you divided it this way since it separates aspects of his career into distinct paragraphs.
  • He made the Queen's Final again in 1893 and in 1921. Calling it the final of the Queen's Prize would keep it consistent with the earlier parts of the article.
  • From 1887, Fremantle began to conduct research into ballistics... It seems like this part should be at the beginning of the "Shooting career" section since it seems to precede the rest of the information.
    • As you've correctly noted above, the sections are not chronological: his research "career" was much less important than his actual shooting, so it comes second (following the principles of WP:SUMMARYSTYLE). It also sets up the following paragraph about Wistow Hall and Halford. UndercoverClassicist T·C 05:39, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
  • I feel like the “Published works” section should be at the bottom of the article, it breaks up the flow between “Shooting career” and “Personal life and issue”, and the latter section talks about his poetry.
  • Good photos which are in the public domain and have good captions.

Spot checks

Numbering from Special:PermanentLink/1349651098.

  • 3; fine
  • 4; fine
  • 5; [Edit: all good.]
    • Are you asking for a quote here? I believe both sources are freely available on Google Books, but let me know if you have difficulty finding anything? UndercoverClassicist T·C 05:39, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
  • 10; fine
  • 12; fine
  • 13; fine
  • 15a; I don't see this on page 72 of McCartney.
  • 15b; fine
  • 16a,b,c; fine
  • 27; fine
  • 30, partial check on the North West Post; fine
  • 51; link was broken for me but was able to get it on internet archive.
    • Finished the spotcheck @UndercoverClassicist: the only place where I couldn't find the information in the source was on 15a but I might be looking in the wrong place. Edward056686 (talk) 22:17, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Edward056686:replies above. UndercoverClassicist T·C 05:39, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

@UndercoverClassicist: There's no rush but I was wondering if you had a chance to take another look at reference 15a? It's the only part of the spotcheck where I could not find the information. Edward056686 (talk) 18:49, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

You're looking in the right place -- if you read that page and the one before, it becomes clear that McCartney is narrating the events of August and September 1915. She then (slightly incorrectly) names "Colonel Lord Cottesloe" as taking an active part in those events. We know from the Gazette and similar that Cottesloe reached the rank of Lt-Col (not full Colonel, though the lower rank is referred to by courtesy as 'Colonel', and this must be what McCartney or her sources are doing), so this source gives us a useful terminus ante quem -- we can say from it that, by the end of 1915, he had been promoted above Major. His date of promotion is probably in the Gazette or some similar publication, but the OCR on the old editions isn't very good and I didn't manage to find it when I was writing the article. UndercoverClassicist T·C 20:24, 20 June 2026 (UTC)
I see, in that case it might be good to add an efn note or something similar that briefly explains this. Edward056686 (talk) 20:50, 20 June 2026 (UTC)
Actually, citing the Gazette with it in the note would also help so that a reader wouldn't need to deduce this themselves if they wanted to verify. Edward056686 (talk) 20:56, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

@UndercoverClassicist: I slightly expanded the reference, does the new reference look alright to you? I think this article is very good otherwise. Edward056686 (talk) 18:04, 21 June 2026 (UTC) I gave the article another read and I think it meets all six criteria now. Edward056686 (talk) 00:00, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

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