Talk:Triple J

I added content about Graeme Bartlett and Tony Barrell who pioneered radio programs using the spoken word, audio recoridngs, sound art etc into the part about presenters. It has been re edited and mangled to bits with just a brief mention of these two JJJ broadcasters and their unique shows and style. Hardly does credit to them. And my citations are gone. Tickles1964 (talk) 10:11, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Tickles1964, thanks for your contributions to the page. I made those further edits, and I'll explain why:

• You wrote three paragraphs as seen in this version but added all this in the middle of an existing sentence, and did not tie up the end of the original sentence. As you can see, " and Jaslyn Hall's world music show ..." is hastily added at the end of your edits, and is unfinished.
• Some of your writing could be perceived as opinionated or editorial, for example: "a standout example of Triple J’s commitment to pushing creative boundaries in radio broadcasting", which Wikipedia generally advises against. Check out MOS:PEACOCK for more.
• You did add two citations, but not everything you wrote about is actually acknowledged in those citations. For example, Shipbuilding for Pleasure is only ever mentioned by name — nothing about the show, like what it contained, exists in the citations. On Wikipedia, all statements made must be backed up by these secondary sources. So, I read that very strong Scan journal article you added, and rewrote according to that info (I also reformatted that citation). Unfortunately, there is very limited information about Bartlett and Barrell's shows online, making it tricky to back up further statements. I'll definitely do some digging into more journals and books we could use.

I'm really sorry if my edits have disappointed you, I just want to ensure the article abides by Wikipedia's policies, and is written clearly. Please let me know if you have any other questions or want some help in editing, always happy to help :) Marcostev8 (talk) 23:16, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Thankyou for your comprehensive explanation and reason for the edits. I have included sone moe info for your perusal. Essentially, I wanted to give credit to Graemme Bartlett in particular, as no mention was made of him on the 2JJJ website either directly or indirectly. And yes, most of the info about Bartlett and in particular his show of the 1980s is mentioned only in passing and in relation to Tony Barrell (who has a wiki page dedicated to him, and rightly so. Btw, I have about half the recording on cassette tape of Graeme Bartlett's last Ship Building For pleasure show.(last show December 1988) I doubt it can be found anywhere else, and if it can, would be hard to hunt down as I doubt ABC has it in their archives.Bartlett and Barrell developed a unique style of radio.Bartlett and Barrell weren’t just “presenters”; they were innovators who redefined what radio could be. Their shows like Sunday Afternoon at the Movies, Watching the Radio With the TV Off, and Shipbuilding for Pleasure were avant-garde masterpieces blending spoken word, sound art, audio recordings, and music to create layered, experimental narratives. This wasn’t just radio; it was art. And it’s honestly tragic that their unique style and contributions are now barely acknowledged. Shows like Radio eye and The night air on Radio National (now no longer) continued this legacy and have Barrell's/Bartlett's syle. Indeed, Barrell worked on these two shows right to the end of his career.

Here is a section on Tony Barrell on wiki... Tickles1964 (talk) 08:41, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Following the excesses of the Three-Day Week and the IRA bombing campaign of 1974 (and the birth of their daughter Klio), Barrell and Norris moved to Sydney, where they lived together in the same house in Balmain. Barrell was hired by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) in 1975 to write and produce ideas and stories for their 'youth station' 2JJ (later Triple J). He and Graeme Bartlett developed the style of "cut up" radio shows through Sunday Afternoon at the Movies and Watching the Radio with the TV Off, both of which combined music and audio from sound tracks, comedy shows, mystery stories and contemporary pop (avant garde and mainstream) to create new narratives (a style that was later re-invented by ABC Radio National's Night Air program, which Barrell worked on toward the end of his career). Among those Barrell interviewed for Triple J were Brian Eno, Hunter S. Thompson, Johnny Rotten (né John Lydon), John Cale, and members of bands such as Madness, Wire and Cabaret Voltaire.

Barrell worked with Rick Tanaka for Triple J on The Nippi Rock Shop—a program on pop culture and politics of Japan—for thirteen years. People featured in the programme included The Yellow Magic Orchestra (Ryuichi Sakamoto, Haruomi Hosono and Yukihiro Takahashi), Sandii and Makoto of Sandii & the Sunsetz and other people from all walks of Japanese life. The pair also made a groundbreaking series of radio documentaries Japan's Other Voices for the ABC's Radio National network's Background Briefing program in 1984. Tony and Rick wrote articles for Australian Rolling Stone, Kyoto Journal and, for a while, were Sydney correspondents for the newsletter Tokyo Insider.

And here is link on more info:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-04-01/and-so-farewell-then-to-tony-barrell-and-tug/2634088 Tickles1964 (talk) 08:46, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

btw the citation you added after Ship Building For pleasure (109) 'Stalking the nightmare' mspong.org, has some really interesting recordings but I couldn't find any reference to Ship Building for pleasure here? Am I missing something? Tickles1964 (talk) 09:05, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

@Tickles1964 Yep that website is particuarly tricky to navigate but if you click 'About Stalking the Nightmare' at the very top, lots of text will expand, and Shipbuilding for Pleasure is mentioned at the end of the first paragraph. Marcostev8 (talk) 10:02, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

no worries. I hope the other stuff I sent you helps in some way. I just wanted to add some more context. Tickles1964 (talk) 10:54, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

hopefully you got all my other messages. Wasnt sure as i didnt hit 'reply' as perhaps I should habe but rather entered 'new topic' Sorry for the confusion, as it's all pretty new for me in this part of the wiki domain. Tickles1964 (talk) 00:16, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Just wanted to add there is quite a bit of information about Tony Barrell online. He even has a wikipage on him. Plus plenty of abc related information about his legacy on Shows like Radio Eye and The night air. So while Very little exists regarding Graeme Bartlett (I plan to upload my recordings of Graeme Bartlett's last ever Shipbuilding For Pleasure show onto YouTube soon), there is plenth of info regarding Barrell. But that is somewhat a moot point as I am focussing on Bartlett, even though they worked together at times. Yet, the collaboration is helpful when writing about someone.

Here are 10 sources/links to Tony Barrell I found in less than 10 minutes.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/radio-renegade-broke-the-mould-20110415-1dhuk.html

https://tonybarrellarchive.blogspot.com/?m=1

https://www.abc.net.au/news/tony-barrell/26986

https://opus.lib.uts.edu.au/handle/10453/10557

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-04-01/and-so-farewell-then-to-tony-barrell-and-tug/2634088

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Barrell_(broadcaster)

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1038793/

https://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/31/vale-broadcaster-writer-journalist-and-latte-watcher-tony-barrell

http://scan.net.au/scan/journal/display.php?journal_id=141 Tickles1964 (talk) 00:02, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Btw, added a wikilink for Tony Barrell on 2JJJ page. He had a long and important career with the ABC spanning more than 40 years. Hope you get to read a bit about him, not only on the wikipage but others, which I have sent you, to peruse at your leisure. Tickles1964 (talk) 00:32, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

there,

I’d like to propose an edit to the “Past Presenters” section of the Triple J page to include two significant figures: *Holger Brockmann* and *Gayle Austin*. Both played pivotal roles in the history of Double J/Triple J and meet Wikipedia’s notability criteria.

• Holger Brockmann* was the *first-ever presenter* on Double J when it launched on January 19, 1975. His opening broadcast included the banned Skyhooks track, _“You Just Like Me 'Cos I’m Good in Bed”_, which set the tone for the station’s rebellious and youth-focused ethos. He’s also notable for reclaiming his German name at a time when commercial radio required him to use the pseudonym “Bill Drake.”

• Gayle Austin* was Australia’s *first female pop radio DJ* and a trailblazer for women in the male-dominated radio industry. She started at Double J in its early days and played a key role in diversifying its programming by championing alternative and non-mainstream music. Her contributions to radio in Australia have been widely recognized, and she has written about her experiences in publications like the _Sydney Morning Herald_.

Here are some reliable sources that support this proposal: 1. *[MILESAGO - Double Jay: The First Year] 2. *[RadioInfo Australia - Gayle Austin Feature] 3. *[Sydney Morning Herald - "Off the Dial" by Gayle Austin] 4. *[Triple J Fandom Page)

Both presenters had a profound impact on Australian radio, and their contributions deserve recognition in the “Past Presenters” section. I’d appreciate your thoughts on this, and I’m happy to provide further context or additional sources if needed.

Thanks for your time, and I look forward to discussing this further.

Best regards, Tickles1964 Tickles1964 (talk) 11:42, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

"Triple J continues to make a significant impact in the Australian music scene and has been historically praised for making popular culture accessible for young people across regional Australia." https://dl.nfsa.gov.au/module/96/ Year of production: 2005

filename: triplej_pr.mp4 PR! lol.

This is a quote from 20 years ago! Triple J's ratings have been tanking hard for over a decade and haven't improved. The station is no longer the powerhouse of relevancy that it believes it is. Their staff truly believe it's still 1995.

To make matters worse, this is a quote from Triple J, not an independent source. Going over the rest of this page, it reads like an advertisement. It's embarrassing.

Is there anybody that can find information about their influence that isn't written by Triple J and 20+ years old? without the conflicts of interest? something from the present? that'd be far more useful than the ancient and biased slop that I'm currently looking at. ~2025-37904-54 (talk) 14:29, 2 December 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2025-38750-00 (talk)

Using information that dates back two decades is a serious concern and embarrassing. It's true that Triple J's ratings have tanked over the years and the influence they once had 20-30 years ago has evaporated due to the Internet and younger people no longer listening to FM Radio as often as they once were decades ago.

Relying on ABC Australia as the source of that quote is a massive conflict of interest as well. Anyone reading this page would be led to believe this is an advertisement for a radio station and not a Wikipedia article. It clearly says in the video archive link that it's PR (public relations material). How this was ever acceptable is a mystery to me. It seems to have been taken at face value, nobody looked into it and that was it.

It doesn't belong on this Wikipedia page at all. ~2025-38750-00 (talk) 17:01, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi there, I replied to you on your user talk page, but in case you didn’t see it, here’s my response to your valid concerns.

Personally, I disagree that the article sounds too promotional—I think there's quite a bit of criticism already well documented and referenced, but there's always more work to do there. (In the past few days I have added to these criticisms.)

In terms of the quote and citation at the top of the article, which you pointed out as coming from a 20 year old source, thanks for picking that up. That citation is not good enough, so I've replaced it with several more recent, and more well established, third-party sources.

Let me know if you have any other concerns about the article and thanks for contributing to the discussion! Marcostev8 (talk) 22:50, 7 December 2025 (UTC)