Talk:WikiLeaks/Archive 6

This line should be removed from the header for the same exact reason that it was removed from the Julian Assange page. Not only does it violate the policy of NPOV, it is largely undue and the sources need to be verified to determine if they directly support this highly disputed claim against WikiLeaks and Assange. If anything, it should be included in the criticism section and each source should be assigned accordingly instead of stating it as objective fact. VasOling (talk) 05:48 PM, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

It was removed from the Julian Assange under the auspices that the falsehoods and conspiracies promoted by the Wikileaks twitter account were not by him. I think the removal of the content from his page was poorly justified, but I don't have the time and patience to get past all the veto players on that page. There's no justification at all for removing the content from the Wikileaks page. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:54, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

I wholly agree with Snooganssnoogans: There's no justification for removing this. The sentence in the lead section is proper because the lead is supposed to reflect and summarize important content from the body. The statements in both the body and the article are sourced and important. A single sentence can hardly be said to be undue weight. And the claim is not "disputed"; it is rather a fact (as reflected in the cited sources, which are mostly news article and not opinion) that WikiLeaks did spread conspiracies and falsehoods during the 2016 campaign. Now, that may be embarrassing to some, but we don't remove properly sourced, relevant, and encyclopedic information merely because it may be unflattering. Neutrality^talk 18:01, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

If a BLP concern has been raised, consensus is needed to include the material. No such consensus exists. The lede currently amalgamates Wikileaks and Assange, creating a vacuous BLP-smear in the WP:LEAD. I have already proposed a compromise to get around the BLP issue and make the accusation more precise (anything wrong with factual precision?), but this was thoughtlessly reverted. The issue has already been tortured to death on Talk:Julian_Assange#Editors_delete_any_mention_that_Assange_promoted_and_popularized_conspiracy_theories_about_Clinton_and_the_Democratic_Party. In short, the sourcing is not there to label Assange as a conspiracy-theorist and it is a BLP-vio to do so. Pinging those involved: @Volunteer Marek, Ryk72, Thucydides411, Govindaharihari, My very best wishes, and Snooganssnoogans:. TheTimesAreAChanging has also written extensively on the issue of BLP smears against Assange, so mentioning him here as well. Guccisamsclub (talk) 21:22, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand your statement. Your statement applies a label four times in rapid succession (you make an assertion four times that this is a BLP violation) but I'm not seeing any no actual reasoning for why you think this is the case. It would help if you were to quote the particular portion of BLP that you think applies. I can't imagine any, since this text does not identify or deal with an identifiable living person.

If something if well-sourced, relevant, and presented in an encyclopedic way (i.e., with context, not sensationalized), we include it. Even if BLP did apply to the text (and I do not think it does), it would be proper, because the BLP policy directly states: "Wikipedia articles concerning living persons may include material—where relevant, properly weighted, and reliably sourced—about controversies or disputes in which the article subject has been involved." Neutrality^talk 23:51, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Sourcing is insufficient for your version (it may also be undue for lead—news about tweets usually are). I am not going to rehash the arguments. Please see the Assange talk page linked above. Guccisamsclub (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

If this is all there is to it then I support the rewording (the misspelling aside of course). It looks like most of the sources say "Wikileaks" rather than Assange (with one exception being Bloomberg).Volunteer Marek (talk) 00:52, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

The main problem with including this in the header is that it implies that WikiLeaks may have edited and tampered with the emails that were published on its website relating to Hillary Clinton and the DNC in order to fit an agenda or lend credence to nutjob conspiracies, which as far as anyone can tell, is not the case. Its misleading at best and dishonest at worst. That it is why it is best to leave it in the criticism section, which is where accusations aimed at the organization should belong.VasOling (talk) 17:14, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't imply that at all. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

How in the world does it imply that? That is not a reasonable reading of the text. Neutrality^talk 17:31, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Don't be disingenuous. Putting your claims right next to the summary of the DNC leaks and the Podesta emails paints a picture of an untrustworthy organization that does nothing but spew out Alex Jones-like conspiracy theories to try to turn the election against Clinton. You may have not stated it that way specifically, but that's what it implies. All of these "conspiracies" were posted on Twitter, which as one user above had argued, makes it undue since these weren't published on their official website or pushed by Julian Assange or any other authorized spokesman for the organization. Its a deceitful edit, its editorializing, its definititely not neutral, and you know it.

Also, the sources that are making the claim that WikiLeaks is promoting conspiracies should be attributed to meet NPOV and should remain in the criticism section, since they are the opinion and analysis of the author writing for the publication. It seems in this day and age that no one can tell the difference between objective cold hard facts and commentary.VasOling (talk) 00:12, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I have tagged this article on the grounds of neutrality, for the reasons I have listed above.VasOling (talk) 00:46, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I would appreciate it if UserDe didn't remove my contributions to this talk page again.VasOling (talk) 12:47, 07 March 2017

perhaps worth expanding upon that claim. Perhaps not here though, but somewhere. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/295116-wikileaks-piles-on-to-clinton-earpiece-conspiracy

Accusations circulated on the internet the Clinton was wearing an earpiece during the debate. Fact-checking sites found these allegations to be untrue, with Politifact giving them a "pants on fire" and Snopes.

Mention of an earpiece in Huma Abedin's email

Clinton at the UN on September 23, 2012 (the date of the leaked email). Notice the UNIS booth behind her and foreign minister seated to her left wearing an earpiece.

Some pointed to an email of Clinton-aide Huma Abedin that was leaked by Wikileaks. However, this email was dated on a day Clinton spent at the United Nations. Since the 1940's, dignitaries at the United Nations have worn earpieces when utilizing the services of the the United Nations Interpretation Service

Clinton had previously faced similar false accusations after NBC's comander-in-chief forum on September 7. Snopes rated those claims as false.

These allegations echoed similar accusations that George W. Bush wore an earpiece during the 2004 presidential debates.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/28/blog-posting/claims-hillary-clinton-wore-earpiece-debate-dont-h/ http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/08/buzz-about-bud-clinton-camp-denies-claims-wore-earpiece-at-forum.html https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/14039 http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/715309/Hillary-Clinton-earpiece-cheat-us-presidential-debate-conspiracy-theory-rumour http://www.inquisitr.com/3615188/did-hillary-clinton-have-an-earpiece-feeding-her-lines-during-the-final-presidential-debate-one-viral-youtube-video-claims-she-did/ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/08/hillary-clinton-did-not-wear-an-earpiece-here-are-close-up-pictures-to-prove-it.html http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/295116-wikileaks-piles-on-to-clinton-earpiece-conspiracy http://www.mediaite.com/online/wikileaks-helps-fuel-clinton-earpiece-conspiracy-nonsense/ http://www.dailywire.com/news/9001/does-hillary-clinton-use-earpiece-cheat-aaron-bandler http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/emails-show-huma-abedin-charge-hillarys-earpiece/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/08/hillary-clinton-earpiece-speculation-conjures-the-ghost-of-george-w-bushs-back-bulge/ https://www.state.gov/secretary/20092013clinton/rm/2009a/09/index.htm https://www.armscontrol.org/ClintonCTBTStatement http://www.gettyimages.com/event/gathering-of-world-leaders-at-u-n-general-assembly-continues-91064535?#president-barack-obama-us-ambassador-to-the-un-susan-rice-united-picture-id91114816

SecretName101 (talk) 20:16, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I propose that this be included in the lead, considering the size of the article about it already Vault7, the degree of the damage done to the CIA, and the large amount of coverage it has attained. BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with { {re|BrxBrx}})} 19:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

There are currently two-three sentences about Vault7 in the article, and they are mostly about Wikileaks' own proclamations of how huge the leaks are. I wouldn't oppose adding a very brief mention of Vault7 in the lede, provided that more text is added to the body article and that this text is derived from descriptions by reliable sources and not just Wikileaks' own proclamations of how massive the leaks are. The lede already features way too much puffery, with extensive descriptions of a number of leaks:

* Early releases included documentation of equipment expenditures and holdings in the Afghanistan war and a report informing a corruption investigation in Kenya.[11] In April 2010, WikiLeaks published gunsight footage from the 12 July 2007 Baghdad airstrike in which Iraqi journalists were among those killed by an AH-64 Apache helicopter, known as the Collateral Murder video. In July of the same year, WikiLeaks released Afghan War Diary, a compilation of more than 76,900 documents about the War in Afghanistan not previously available to the public.[12] In October 2010, the group released a set of almost 400,000 documents called the "Iraq War Logs" in coordination with major commercial media organisations. This allowed the mapping of 109,032 deaths in "significant" attacks by insurgents in Iraq that had been reported to Multi-National Force – Iraq, including about 15,000 that had not been previously published.[13][14] In April 2011, WikiLeaks began publishing 779 secret files relating to prisoners detained in the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.[15] In November 2010, WikiLeaks collaborated with major global media organisations to release U.S. State Department diplomatic "cables" in redacted format.

The text above should be trimmed to make room for a short sentence about Vault7. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:51, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Considering the amount of text reserved for the DNC leaks and the subsequent allegations against wikileaks from the intelligence community, we should trim that as well. Regarding the impact of the leaks:

• • The NYT, citing security researchers, agree that the breadth is large
  • the SMH thinks its the "largest in CIA history"
  • Google Microsoft and Samsung are rushing out patches

Pretty important stuff. BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with { {re|BrxBrx}})} 19:56, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikileaks' actions in the 2016 election and allegations of Russian influence get extensive coverage in the article. SMH is literally quoting Wikileaks' own statement. If this is so important, it should be added to the main body of the article, and then added to the lede. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:06, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

There is an editor who would prefer the wording of the lead to include "promoting conspiracy theories" and "absence of criticism of Russia" in the lead. On a review of the talk page, this was previously brought up, with no consensus reached. I am of the opinion that as these claims are made primarily through opinion pieces or through unreliable sources, care should be applied, especially if it relates to Julian Assange (wp:blp addon to wp:reliable). BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with { {re|BrxBrx}})} 20:04, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

The claims of who was the unknown source for various leaks is by definition a conspiracy theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100A:B127:6565:8CC1:B2E6:96DD:4A6A (talk) 15:51, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Snooganssnoogans:, please be more careful when reverting the work of others.

The only thing I personally deleted from the conspiracy theory section was the stuff about droning Assange. Snopes does NOT support the claim that wikileaks or Assange formulated any conspiracy theory about it. Snopes did not say anything of the kind. All wikileaks did was release the emails from Clinton with mention of extra-legal measures against Assange and a sick joke about droning him (like thousands of civilians killed by drones under Obama). Should WL have redacted the email? Assange was quoted in snopes as saying: “I’m a white guy. Unless I convert to Islam, it’s not that likely that I’ll be droned, but we have seen things creeping toward that.” Does that sound like a conspiracy theory? The other stuff about alleged child trafficking in Haiti and Clinton's alleged shopping disease was deleted by somebody else. You can restore those two if you want, but neither meet the definition of conspiracy theory and stuff like the Daily Beast is horribly weak sourcing for it. The Daily Beast is a pro-Clinton webzine with no demarcation between opinion and news. It is closer to Fox News and MSNBC than to the NYT and Washington Post. I also removed the conspiracy crap from the lead, because the lead is supposed to summarize the article and the section on conspiracy theories is ridiculously short.

As for the rest, no gutting took place at all AFAIK. In fact it was you who gutted a good number of sources and reinstated a false statement about the Panama papers. Can you please restore specific material without butchering other content as collateral damage? Guccisamsclub (talk) 13:33, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Uh, @Snooganssnoogans: where are u? Guccisamsclub (talk) 21:05, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

This user, @Snooganssnoogans:, has already been called out for POV pushing on other pages. Its pretty blatant and transparent. I've given up reverting his/her edits since I don't want to get in trouble for edit warring again. VasOling (talk) 21:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

(i) Wikileaks also tweeted a report by the hoax site Gateway Pundit with a highlighted section that alleged that Clinton had called for drone strikes on him, according to Politico and that "No mainstream news outlets have confirmed the claim." . (ii) Both the child trafficking and the health stuff fit under conspiracy theories. (iii) With content restored to the conspiracy section, it's no longer as short as it was. (iv) Feel free to restore the Panama Papers stuff, sorry about that. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:54, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

@Snooganssnoogans: You're right about the drone stuff: "Can't we just drone this guy" is an unverifiable quote from True Pundit (not Gateway Pundit). Wikileaks emails only spoke of "legal and nonlegal" strategies, which does not imply assassination, jokingly or otherwise. I'll add the quotes from Assange and Clinton for context. I don't want to be pedantic, but you still need to find quality sources that explicitly label this a conspiracy theory. This is essential of you want this text kept. Guccisamsclub (talk) 23:35, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

My preferred wording has always been to say "Wikileaks has popularised *falsehoods* and conspiracies about the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton", so I'd recommend that wording. As for the drone strikes stuff, if neither Politco or Snopes describes it as explicitly false, I'd be fine with adding the sentence (or some variation of it) "Wikileaks also repeated an unverified claim made by the conservative website True Pundit that Clinton had suggested ordering drone strikes on Assange" to the end of the paragraph to remove it from being about falsehoods and conspiracy theories when it is only an unproven claim AFAIK. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:51, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

"Unproven statements and con theories" will be even more neutral. Not every nasty allegation is a con theory (saying that a politician eats boogers is not a con theory), nor is every unverified statement false (Snopes calls the drone stuff "unproven"). As for the "child trafficking" it's basically true (thought the motives weren't slavery or sex).I'll add this source for context.Guccisamsclub (talk) 00:02, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

You can not add the "child trafficking" source to this article; it would be a clear violation of WP:OR as it doesn't mention Wikileaks, the DNC, or Hillary Clinton. -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 11:43, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/59545r/on_wikipedia/

And redditors, in case you think of deleting that, I've taken screenshots.

https://s22.postimg.org/jzpqwlm69/eldflaug19.png

Rei (talk) 21:08, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Obvious suspect edits, given the time of the reddit post and the fact that they're making the changes called for on the reddit:

Users therein:

128.61.50.112 176.26.198.131 Mitchcairns Thymefromti 145.116.174.79 213.124.162.109

- Rei (talk) 21:20, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Followup: The edit made by 176.26.198.131 is specifically confessed to by reddit user "stordoff" here (also visible in the screenshot). - Rei (talk) 21:33, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

The edits are completely valid. I'm from that thread. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitchcairns (talk • contribs) 21:53, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Stealth canvassing is a violation of Wikipedia's rules. A group of people brought in to achieve a specific goal are known as meat puppets and face sanction if an investigation agrees. - Rei (talk) 22:01, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

• There was already enough problems that upped the protection from PC to Semi. New users can't add to it at all now. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:04, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia states: Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. I do not not have a reddit account. Every time I delete this defamatory claim against myself someone undoes my deletion. Doesn't this violate Wikipedia policy? Thymefromti (talk) 14:07, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

@Thymefromt: No, it's not a personal attack. Notification of improper canvassing is not a personal attack, nor is someone removing your edit a personal attack I suggest you drop this and move on or you're headed for a block for edit warring and inappropriate removal of talk page comments. Sundayclose (talk) 14:47, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

The WLTaskForce account has also been calling for edits from people on Twitter: https://twitter.com/WLTaskForce/status/844365601850167297 Cooljeanius (talk) (contribs) 12:41, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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• 1. Change image caption (first image in the article) from: "The logo of WikiLeaks, an hourglass with one globe leaking to the second" to:
  "The logo of WikiLeaks, the world drips from the top to bottom chamber of the hourglass"
  

Reason: nothing in the image suggests it's seconds, and there being no source supporting it, it is WP:OR.

• 2. in infobox "| language = English, but the documents are written in various others" to "| language = English, published /* commment: or some other word - like available */ documents are in their original language."
  

Reason: it's a better description? 69.165.196.103 (talk) 21:34, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Responding to request 1:  Not done The caption is referring to the second globe, not the measure of time. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

The "second" is ambiguous. To leak to a second globe, you need to, somewhere, have a first one... As far as I can see, it's not in the sentence... 69.165.196.103 (talk) 15:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Done — Train2104 (t • c) 06:20, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

I suggest to either adjust or balance CrowdStrike's claims in this article sources. Because according to the Washington D.C. based Voice of America (VOA) which is the largest U.S. international broadcaster and also according to the not-for-profit and independent Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), CrowdStrike were recently exposed with their misattribution of quotes and fake information. In other words, CrowdStrike lied to you. CrowdStrike, the cyber-security firm that initially claimed Russia hacked the DNC and tilted the 2016 election in Donald Trump’s favor, is being accused of misattribution of quotes in a December report. CrowdStrike have since walked back key and central claims in said report, calling their credibility into serious question.

Related articles and sources

• http://www.voanews.com/a/cyber-firm-rewrites-part-disputed-russian-hacking-report/3781411.html
• http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/23/cybersecurity-firm-that-attributed-dnc-hacks-to-russia-may-have-fabricated-russia-hacking-in-ukraine/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francewhoa (talk • contribs) 00:33, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
• http://www.globalresearch.ca/fool-me-once-dnc-ally-crowdstrike-claimed-two-cases-of-russian-hacking-one-at-least-was-fake/5581368

Related video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKJ7SRJuz-A&feature=youtu.be

Francewhoa (talk) 22:56, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

The Centre for Research on Globalization is a notorious conspiracy-theory website notorious for spreading fringe claims, so no, we are not going to include it. Additionally, this particular post on their website is apparently by, or republished from, an obscure, anonymously-written crowdsourced blog. Please read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources before editing. This is truly basic stuff. Additionally, why are you spamming this same text on five different article talk pages? Neutrality^talk 23:01, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Neutrality :) Thanks for expressing your concerns about CRG as a source. Are you interested to contribute additional or alternative source(s) about the recent news that CrowdStrike walked back some of their key claims? How about VOA has a source? Voice of America (VOA) is Washington D.C. based and also the largest U.S. international broadcaster. VOA's article at http://www.voanews.com/a/cyber-firm-rewrites-part-disputed-russian-hacking-report/3781411.html

Francewhoa (talk) 23:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

That article doesn't mention Wikileaks at all, so this is not the really the best place to discuss it. But in any case, my response is: the VOA news article is a good source for the article Fancy Bear, where it is already appropriately cited. The VOA article or something like it might also be appropriate for the CrowdStrike article, so long as we were extremely careful to follow the source and avoid undue emphasis. (We would, for instance, have to note CrowdStrike's defense, that its update to the report "does not in any way impact the core premise of the report..."). Citation in almost any other article (except maybe Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present), in which the original report isn't even mentioned) would be a violation of a whole bunch of principles, including, variously, WP:SYNTH, WP:UNDUE, and WP:COATRACK. Neutrality^talk 00:00, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi all :) For those interested to join or continue this discussion, I suggest we resume in that other talk page. This would centralize discussion related to that news about CrowdStrike who walked back some of their key and central claims. Thanks to contributor Neutrality for that suggestion :)

Francewhoa (talk) 01:24, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Some of my friends jeered at me when I told WikiLeaks is not a part of Wikimedia Foundation.But they did not accept it.So inorder to solve my doubt I have requested a question Abishe (talk) 11:39, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikileaks is not part of the Wikimedia Foundation. ~ GB fan 12:12, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

VasOling: You've editing nothing but this article for the last seven - seven! - months. Your latest edit are just as unacceptable as your older ones.

The sources do not state that "critics have accused WikiLeaks of promotion conspiracy theories." The multiple, high-quality, reliable sources directly state this in their own voice (not "critics").

• NBC News: "WikiLeaks ... is fueling Internet conspiracy theories "
• Bloomberg: "routinely promoting anti-Clinton memes and conspiracy theories"
• Washington Post: describing how WikiLeaks promoted "fake and misleading stories on the Internet" including "a conspiracy theory claiming that John Podesta is a Satanist."

It is nothing short of impermissible original research to attribute this to "Critics" when the sources say nothing of the kind.

-- Neutrality^talk 00:49, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm tagging Snooganssnoogans since I believe he originally added the material at issue, and may want to comment/monitor this article. I'm also tagging Bbb23, My very best wishes, and Smartse, who have reverted very similar edits from the same user on this article before. Neutrality^talk 01:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Neutrality. We should never say "X accuse Y", when X happen to be multiple high-quality straight-up-news-reporting reliable sources. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Of course Snoogansnoogans is going to agree with Neutrality. You guys are buddy-buddies who stick together. Go ahead and get your other like-minded friends to back you up and push your POV. I guess this is how Wikipedia works now. What a waste. VasOling talk 06:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, I tried to fix the issue myself but ran into the same wall. Don't have the energy to fight this battle. The propaganda will remain in place. Augurar (talk) 04:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Augurar: If this is what you call fixing POV, then please don't fix any more POV until you actually understand our policies. When multiple reliable sources make a statement of fact, adding attribution to "critics" in the material is both original research and a violation of WP:NPOV.- MrX 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Why is WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV so hard to understand? Augurar (talk) 16:10, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

It's easy to understand; it simply doesn't apply to the content that we're discussing.- MrX 16:17, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Augurar:Because you are inventing the label "critics" to apply to the sources themselves when you do not have a reliable source which calls NBC News, Bloomberg and the Washington Post "critics" of Wikileaks. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:25, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

• I'm in complete agreement with MrX and Snooganssnoogans here. The RS's categorically do not attribute this criticism to "critics", but state it as a fact. It is our job to follow the sources, even when they offend our delicate political sensibilities. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Should there not be a tag at the top of this article stating that Wikileaks is separate from the Wikimedia Foundation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vorbee (talk • contribs) 15:05, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

The intro provides the following claim: "During the campaign, WikiLeaks promoted conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party." This is attributed to three sources:

1. Ohlheiser, Abby (4 November 2016). "No, John Podesta didn't drink bodily fluids at a secret Satanist dinner". The Washington Post. ISSN 0190-8286. Retrieved 8 November 2016.
2. "WikiLeaks Fuels Conspiracy Theories About DNC Staffer's Death". NBC News. Retrieved 8 November 2016.
3. How Julian Assange turned WikiLeaks into Trump's best friend, Max Chafkin & Vernon Silver, 10 October 2016 (Bloomberg website)

Source 1 states that Wikileaks-released materials have "prompted" a Satanist conspiracy theory, but does not state that Wikileaks itself promoted this interpretation. In Source 2, Wikileaks is accused of "fueling" Internet conspiracy theories by offering a reward for information about the death of Seth Rich. In Source 3, Assange (not Wikileaks) is criticized for promoting anti-Clinton conspiracy theories.

None of these sources state that Wikileaks, as an organization, has promoted conspiracy theories. 2601:644:0:DBD0:31A8:5256:9DE0:6D2F (talk) 07:45, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I agree. The sentence should be removed. Other statements in the intro cover the facts in a more balanced way.Weburbia (talk) 10:15, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

This is abundantly sourced in the main body. The three sources in the lede also definitely say that Wikileaks promoted conspiracy theories. One of the titles is literally "Wikileaks fuels conspiracy theories". Snooganssnoogans (talk) 10:25, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I think "promote" suggests a more direct and active role in the conspiracy theories than "fuel" does. It might be accurate to say that Wikileaks facilitated conspiracy theories by releasing emails, but it would be better to work this into the preceding sentences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weburbia (talk • contribs) 11:56, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

There is far more to WikiLeaks' conspiracy-peddling than just "releasing emails". I suggest you actually read the sources. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:00, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I think "promote" suggests a more direct and active role in the conspiracy theories than "fuel" does. "fuels" is a euphemism, as conspiracy theories don't actually burn anything. "Promotes" is used literally. We are writing an encyclopedia. I think the preference for the more literal term is bound to outweigh any implications one might associate with one term or the other. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:21, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

The language in the lead is amply supported: the sources abundantly make clear that WL promoted conspiracy theories. As for "promote" and "fuel": in this context, they are synonymous. Fuel (verb) means "sustain or inflame (a feeling or activity)"; promote means "further the progress of (something, especially a cause, venture, or aim); support or actively encourage." Same thing. Neutrality^talk 21:10, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Two words may denote the same thing but have different connotations. I think that applies here. It is also sometimes the case that such connotations can be different in different regions, especially UK vs US, so perhaps that explains the different interpretations. Apart from the semantics I think the nub of the problem is that the statement is too vague. What were these conspiracy theories exactly, and by what actions did Wikileaks promote them? It might help clarify what is meant by this statement if a little more detail is given. If Wikipedia is going to make serious allegations against Wikileaks it owes it to them to be more clear. That could be too long for the intro so it would fit better in the chronological section lower down.Weburbia (talk) 21:49, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

The lead is supposed to summarize the body, giving a broad high-level overview of important elements of the topic while reserving the details for the body. The current language does that effectively. I'm not sure what "different regions" or British vs. American English has to do with anything. The sentence has the same meaning irrespective of dialect. Neutrality^talk 22:18, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

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Throughout most of this article, Chelsea Manning is referred to correctly as "Chelsea." However, in the "Purpose" section, she is incorrectly referred to as "Bradley." I am requesting a minor edit to use her correct name, Chelsea, throughout the entire article. The first time I posted this request, I received this message:

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So, ridiculously, I will point out that this request is not disruptive and has nothing to do with sexology. It is about referring to public figures by their correct names.

Done Thank you for clarifying that your request was constructive, however because the source refers to the subject by her former name, I have decided to add "(then Bradley Manning)" to the sentence to stay true to the source. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:34, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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Type "wikileaks.org" into https://www.iplocation.net/ and it tells you that the servers are hosted in Moscow, Russia. Why isn't this in the article? 69.119.161.108 (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

This isn't original research. 69.119.161.108 (talk) 19:45, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

All the sources you listed are atrocious. If you find a reliable sources (e.g. New York Times, Washington Post), go ahead and add it to the article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:11, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

"Why isn't this in the article?"

Because it's largely irrelevant? Also: 'dig' says servers have front-end load balancers (not necessarily "servers" per se) geo-located to many regions:

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Not that it really matters; or that particular geo-location is even remotely accurate (have to poke around ASNs for that). -- dsprc ^[talk] 20:27, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

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I believe it is noteworthy.

"My deepest thanks to the US government, Senator McCain and Senator Lieberman for pushing Visa, MasterCard, Payal, AmEx, Mooneybookers, et al, into erecting an illegal banking blockade against @WikiLeaks starting in 2010. It caused us to invest in Bitcoin -- with > 50000% return."

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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/wikileaks-julian-assange-bitcoin-50000-percent-return-thanks-to-us-government.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4693645/julian-assange-wikileaks-bitcoin-met-police-cost/

104.231.250.148 (talk) 15:40, 16 October 2017 (UTC)October 16 2017

• Oppose This is Assange being snarky and does not deserve to be taken seriously. KalHolmann (talk) 15:52, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Snooganssnoogans, as you know, opinion pieces are not reliable sources for anything except their author's opinions. Moreover, even with attribution, Wikipedia is not obliged to publish every ill-founded opinion under the sun; WP:EXCEPTIONAL claims require exceptional sources. With regard to the assertion that "WikiLeaks strategically released e-mails related to the Clinton campaign whenever Clinton's lead expanded in the polls," which you reinstated, there are several red flags indicating it is without merit. The first and most obvious is that any random idiot can see it is transparently false; the DNC emails were released immediately prior to the Democratic convention (as you noted), whereas the Podesta emails were released on a daily basis throughout much of October. (Do you seriously propose that Clinton's lead was expanding every day in October?) Moreover, if you take the time to read Baum and Gussin's "Why it’s entirely predictable that Hillary Clinton’s emails are back in the news" you will see that the piece is not actually about WikiLeaks at all, but rather the media's propensity to hype the Clinton email scandal in order to maintain a compelling "horse race" (the authors were operating under the assumption that Trump had no actual path to victory, having failed to consider the impact of the Electoral College):

"The media’s urgency to maintain drama in an election that was increasingly looking like a blowout made this story all but inevitable. ... Media coverage of presidential elections disproportionately emphasizes the horse race. Research by Harvard University's Shorenstein Center, for instance, shows that during the 2016 primary season, 56 percent of news coverage of the campaign focused on the horse race, compared with just 11 percent on substantive policy concerns. What does this have to do with the email story? This story raises the possibility of halting the 'blowout' narrative and replacing it with an unpredictable (hence novel) horse race. This keeps the audience engaged.

We counted the number of stories mentioning the phrase 'Clinton email' between Aug. 1 and Oct. 27—the day before Comey’s latest bombshell—appearing in all news broadcast transcripts (television and radio) available in Lexis-Nexis. We then compared this trend with the polling average on RealClearPolitics (RCP). The two trends are strongly and statistically significantly correlated (.33 where the maximum positive correlation is 1.0). As Clinton's lead in the polls goes up, the number of stories mentioning 'Clinton email' follows suit. As her lead declines, the frequency of such stories declines as well."

WikiLeaks is only mentioned as an aside in a single paragraph, in which Baum and Gussin reject the hypothesis that strategic WikiLeaks document dumps might explain this media phenomenon:

"But perhaps the real culprit is WikiLeaks, strategically releasing hacked emails, and thereby demanding media attention, whenever Clinton's lead expands. For instance, the Oct. 7 release of emails belonging to Clinton campaign manager John Podesta followed a week during which Clinton's lead in RCP's polling average expanded from 2.7 to 4.7 points. On the day of the release, stories mentioning 'Clinton email' doubled from the previous day. Yet over the next several days, attention to her emails fell off sharply, suggesting that WikiLeaks failed to drive the media narrative, at least beyond a single day."

When it comes to the media's skewed coverage, Baum and Gussin provide supporting data and a graph; yet they offer absolutely no evidence for the claim that WikiLeaks was paying any attention to polls whatsoever. In fact, the authors seem to take this explosive allegation for granted: One could perhaps torture the data to reach the desired conclusion (especially if Clinton's lead truly was expanding every day in October!), but Baum and Gussin don't even do that, probably because WikiLeaks is not the subject of their editorial. If there is actually compelling evidence that "WikiLeaks strategically released e-mails related to the Clinton campaign whenever Clinton's lead expanded in the polls," ("whenever"? Really? Every time???) you should be able to find a better source than a single sentence in an opinion piece on a distinct topic. (At the very least an on-point and in-depth opinion piece, if you can't find any reliable sources.) On the other hand, if Baum and Gussin's actual allegation is merely that the DNC emails were designed to create havoc at the Democratic convention and that the Podesta emails were an "October surprise," they—or perhaps their editor—are guilty of gross hyperbole, but Wikipedia already says as much. Exercising a bit of editorial discretion and common sense, Baum and Gussin's commentary might be a valid resource for attributed criticism of the U.S. mainstream media, but not for baseless conspiracy theories (with potential WP:BLP implications for the heads of WikiLeaks) against official enemies of the U.S. state.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:24, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I have no idea when e-mails were released, though I recall that the leaks occurred at the worst times for the Clinton campaign and the Twitter account hyped up all kinds of crap at the most convenient times for the Trump campaign (and has continued to play defence for Trump post-election). It's not my job to analyze this, that's WP:OR. I cite reliable source and attribute when claims are made. For instance, Wikileaks' stated rationale that they only do leaks when those leaks will get the most attention is the most blatantly false and ludicrous statement there is, as shown by the fact that they purposively timed one of their leaks in an attempt to crowd out coverage of the Trump tapes (the worst possible time for those leaks to get attention but as a desperate attempt to give rightwing media something to focus coverage on). The leaks right before the Democratic convention were also clearly intended to put the convention into disarray rather than create informed discussion about the contents of the leaks. Should I remove Wikileaks' deceptive rationale, as any honest person can see that it's total horseshit, or should we follow Wikipedia policy and attribute the claim to Wikileaks and let it stand? I say the latter. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:47, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok, so that's how it works. Reliably sourced and attributed content has just been removed because one Wikipedia editor believes he knows better than a Harvard political scientist (and provides absolutely zero info to back up his claims). The same editor who added what he himself knows is a blatantly false statement from Wikileaks. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:11, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

• (EC): It occurs to me that if you parse Baum and Gussin carefully, it's also possible that the sentence beginning with "But perhaps the real culprit is WikiLeaks" is not the authors's own belief, but rather a strawman they set up—and then knock down ("WikiLeaks failed to drive the media narrative, at least beyond a single day"). (You could argue that the second sentence clarifies the meaning of the first, but the example given is correlation, not causation—something the authors, if not their audience, should be expected to understand—and which cannot prove anything absent further study.) Hence why it would be better to have a source—even an opinion article—specifically analyzing WikiLeaks's actions during the election cycle and explicitly supporting the disputed content.
• While we're admittedly getting a bit far afield here, on the simultaneous release of the first batch of Podesta emails and the Trump–Billy Bush tape, consider Assange's side of the story: "On Clinton's 'timing' conspiracy theory. That we had a pending publication about to launch on the election was everywhere in the media for days. We were meant to launch that morning. It is the Trump tape that was moved forward from Monday to Friday." (Assange cites TMZ, which reported on October 12, 2016: "Many NBC execs have open disdain for Trump and their plan was to roll out the tape 48 hours before the debate so it would dominate the news cycle leading up to the face-off. ... The plan got derailed by Hurricane Matthew. Execs decided the wall-to-wall coverage of the storm would mess up the plan to dominate the news with the Trump tape, so they were going to hold it until Monday. It didn't sit well with some staffers who wanted it out pre-debate, so it was leaked to the Washington Post.") Of course, that doesn't necessarily exonerate Assange, but there is no clear evidence of his guilt, either—nothing beyond conjecture and innuendo. And, for whatever it's worth, WikiLeaks's Twitter account promoted the Trump–Billy Bush tape at the time.
• "The leaks right before the Democratic convention were also clearly intended to put the convention into disarray." I agree: That's already in the article, as you know. And it's COMPLETELY consistent with WikiLeaks timing its releases for maximum exposure.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:27, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

An organization that cares so deeply about timing leaks to increase readership releases the leaks an hour after the most media intensive story of the year? Yeah, right, they care so much about it. I have no idea what NBC and WaPo's own thinking regarding timing has anything to do with anything in this context. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:41, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

To release the leaks on the eve of DNC Convention did not "maximize readership and reader engagement" (Wikileaks' stated rationale), unless those terms take on the meaning of uninformed hysteria with nobody being able to read and analyze the contents of the leaks. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:41, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

In 2010, the Swedish Pirate Party announced that it would host Wikileaks servers. Did they eventually do it? If yes, make that clear. If not, then let's delete this trivial announcement. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:16, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

From the sources it seems clear to me the announcement is not "we'd like to host their stuff", but rather "we're hosting their stuff". If you think it's too trivial by all means remove it, I don't really give a shit. The edit summary on your removal was "not RS" though. Saturnalia0 (talk) 23:15, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I think my edit summary for the large-scale removal of content where this text was removed also said that I was removing "outdated" stuff. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:30, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

There's extensive text about Wikileaks sourced to itself. Is this text notable? If yes, find RS who have covered it. If no RS have covered it, it doesn't belong. Is this text accurate? If yes, find RS to substantiate it. This is the same organization that regularly promotes hoaxes and falsehoods, so all claims made by the organization should be viewed skeptically. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:20, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't see how the fact that they use TOR, PGP, SSL, and other basic privacy tools or a certain open source technology on their website is an outstanding or otherwise self-promotional claim. It's ok per WP:SELFPUB. The rest is referenced to secondary sources. This is the same organization that regularly promotes hoaxes and falsehoods, so all claims made by the organization should be viewed skeptically. Not more so than Wikipedia's "reliable sources"... Saturnalia0 (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

My chief concern is that the Wikipedia article is full of boring crap of no interest to anyone. This is a good example. If it's notable, RS coverage should be found. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

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@Karl.i.biased: You need to use this talk page to discuss the changes you want, why, and how they can best be sourced. At this point you are edit warring, as you've been more than adequately warned about. Follow WP:BRD: Boldly make edits, if reverted, stop to discuss. Please also note WP:EW: "but my edits were right, so it wasn't edit warring" is no defense. Pinging reverting editors as well, so hopefully a discussion can be fostered: @Snooganssnoogans and Dr.K. -- ferret (talk) 19:47, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ferret: I reverted this user because he is edit-warring through edit-summaries and I find this behaviour to be disruptive. Unfortunately, as my subsequent discussion on his talkpage shows, this user is not very keen on discussing his edits on the article talkpage. As far as the contents of his/her edits, I think that they are blatant synthesis and OR and until this user understands these concepts, the discussion is not going to go far. However, if you disagree with my assessment, please feel free to restore his edits. Dr. K. 20:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Dr.K.: Simply trying to steer things in the right direction so that a block does not become necessary. If Karl can come here and a discussion occurs, an edit might result that everyone is happy with. If not, sufficient warnings have been issued. -- ferret (talk) 20:21, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I understand. But I am a minority shareholder in this. My primary objective was to stop the flippant edit-warring by Karl discussing through edit-summaries. Obviously, this attempt failed. I'm not any more optimistic as to the chances of Karl understanding what OR and SYNTH are either. I wouldn't even bet he'll be coming here to discuss any time soon. Dr. K. 21:57, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Should it not be spelt out clearly somewhere in the first three paragraphs that Wikileaks is nothing to do with the WikiMedia Foundation? Vorbee (talk) 18:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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An update is needed to correct a statement in the "Leaks" section, "2011-2015". It refers to Francois Hollande as the current President of France. "...including but not limited to the current President Francois Hollande and his predecessors Nicolas Sarkozy and Jacques Chirac." it should read "including but not limited to former President Francois Hollande and his predecessors Nicolas Sarkozy and Jacques Chirac." 96.19.244.13 (talk) 12:15, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done, but not as asked As Hollande was, in fact, the President at the time. However, I did change it to say "...including but not limited to then current President Francois Hollande...", so I hope this satisfies your request. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:28, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Why was the section about the correspondence between Wikileaks & Donald Jr. removed from this article? It was clearly sourced to the Atlantic article and is based on documents turned over by Trump Jr. in the Russian investigation. It is clearly newsworthy and substantiated. It shouldn't be removed simply because it portrays Wikileaks in an unflattering light. The Atlantic is a reliable source and it is incorrect to delete this information which is very challenging to the image of Wikileaks as an impartial source of information. 2601:1C0:6D02:27C0:4DC:F358:5971:B3AE (talk) 00:53, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

The content is a sub-section under the sub-section "Allegations of anti-Clinton and pro-Trump bias". Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:56, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

On March 12, 2018, I changed the subsection heading to Correspondence between WikiLeaks and Donald Trump Jr. and made an edit to the first sentence that bears further explanation. I removed "Julian Assange" because the cited source does not specify him as having sent these messages, reporting only that the WikiLeaks Twitter account did so. This distinction is important. As Assange explained on his own Twitter account, during the period when the messages were sent he had no Internet access, and the @WikiLeaks account "is run by a rotating staff." It is therefore likely that his staff, not Assange personally, sent these messages. And in any case, our cited source does not claim that he did so. KalHolmann (talk) 06:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I reversed a reversion of a subsection name here (and altered the name further). I don't like how long the name was before; it messed up the TOC, making it wider than it needed to be. Plus the name was redundant with the section name. I further adjusted it to match the naming used in the subsection above it. I agree that section names should be descriptive, but I think this was too descriptive. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

The 2010 subsection contains numerous factual inaccuracies, as detailed in the sources referenced here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike#Incident_according_to_the_report I'm not sure how to tag the subsection for review or I would do so. Oathed (talk) 15:53, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Oathed, Wikipedia:Template messages/Section explains section-specific tags you may add to identify the type of cleanup required. I'd also urge you to list here on Talk the inaccuracies you have found. That would save time for other editors who may be less familiar than you are with this material. KalHolmann (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikileaks' accepted forms of donations, and the recent decision by Freedom of Press Foundation to withdraw Wikileaks as sponsor'd org on basis that wikiblockade is over, due to Wau Holland etc.. Shushugah (talk) 13:24, 5 June 2018 (UTC)