User:Denaar

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I joined Wikipedia in 2006 and understand what a huge hurdle it is for new users to learn to participate.

I frequently steelman points of view I don't agree with, because I believe in WP:NPOV so strongly; so don't confuse discussion of the content of the page with my personal point of view.

The difference between a discussion and a debate is that a debate has a "Winner". A discussion is different, because each person leaves the conversation with additional knowledge giving them a better informed opinion.

We all benefit from putting ourselves in someone else's shoes and understanding alternative points of view, have discussions, not debates and not only will Wikipedia be better for it, you'll be better for it.

You might come to this page looking for more information about me, to determine my standpoint. An appeal to standpoint usually takes the form, "as a (characteristic), I think the following..." with the assumption that the characteristic will make the point of view be taken more seriously. Standpoint theory has a kernel of truth: all humans beings learn from experience. However, some people believe that standpoint goes much beyond that, into "we must listen to this individual, based on their standpoint, their opinion holds more weight". Or "this person, with this characteristic, has the experience to represent all people with the same characteristic". This ignores the diversity of experiences people have even from within the same community. On Wikipedia, we have no ability to check your standpoint, that is the equalizing nature of the internet, therefore, your actions are more important then your standpoint.

If you're genuinely editing in a neutral way; it should be hard to pinpoint your personal point of view.

Denaar's Guide for Passionate Users

Unfortunately, a lot of passionate users make reasonable points in discussions, but get dismissed because they don't know how to present the evidence that backs up their point.

Wikipedia is like a book report - we go out and find what people say about a subject, and we report on it.

Start by avoiding any topics you are passionate about, or know a lot about - you can't write based on what you know. If you see people involved in an edit war, step away from the article for now. Come back when you understand the guidelines and can use them to make your case (and hopefully, people will have time to cool down and approach the topic more calmly!). The best thing you can do to start is find articles that need a lot of improvement, because it improves the chances that editors will welcome your help.

Get Familiar with the Policy and Guidelines

The Wikipedia Pillars (WP:PILLARS) are the overarching rules for Wikipedia. Under that, come policies. Under that, are guidelines, and last, there are Manuals of Style.

Any subject of a Wikipedia article needs is to be Notable. (WP:N) Next, comes Verifiability (WP:V), which is the policy, that goes along with the guideline Reliable Sources (WP:RS). Once you have a Source, you need to add it to the page, use (WP:CITEHOW) as a guide.

Last - feel free to copy the below template over onto your own user page or talk page to have as a handy reference, these are the key policies and guidelines combined into one place, and you should spend time reading through these and referring back to them. Click on the "Show" text on the right to expand the template.

Wikipedia Pages

  • WP:FN - Explanation of how to add in-line citations
  • WP:RSP - Reliable sources/Perennial sources: The following presents a non-exhaustive list of sources whose reliability and use on Wikipedia are frequently discussed.
  • WP:BLPN - Biography of Living People Noticeboard
  • Template:Infobox_musical_artist - Template for Infobox for Musical Artists
  • MOS:JP - The manual of style for Japan-related articles
  • WP:REFBOMB - Packing an article full of references to make the subject seem notable.

Online Sources for Japanese Music Related Articles:

  • Oricon Style - You can search by artist to find their Albums and Singles that have charted on the Weekly charts. They also have articles about musicians. (Japanese)
  • CD Journal (Japanese) - CD Reviews and Band Bios (Japanese)
  • Barks - Band profiles and News Reports (Japanese)
  • Yahoo! Japan Music (Japanese)
  • Anime News Network - Sometimes carries news about bands (English)
  • JAME - Good for interviews and news reports (English)
  • Visuavi "Practical and readable country wide database covering visual kei artist's cds, videos, and goods". (Japanese)
  • HMV's Top 100 Japanese pops Artists with Band Histories (Japanese)
  • Good example of a compromise no one was happy with:


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