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Amaryllis Knight

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Procedural listing for User:Fatbat who made a malformed listing with an edit summary of "Amaryllis Knight in no way a TV personality, nor did she "co-star" with Jack Osbourne in the Mongol Rally - she appeared on screen for no more than 5 minutes". No opinion here. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 21:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Plenty of references in the article, inline citations. Seams notable to me. Callelinea (talk) 04:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Delete despite the references/inline citations in the article. The references are either trivial, primary source, and/or unreliable. I say weak because I did find one item in the LA Times which deal somewhat more with her than with the motorcycles but, I don't think that with or without the stuff in the article means she meets the threshold for inclusion. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep Meets WP:BIO Notability established through mentions in multiple reliable independent sources. I note that users have deleted things in her page such as Norman Foster being her step father. Her mother and Step-father divorcing does not change the nature of her relationship with him. Galliano7 | talk 21:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Meets WP:BIO I created this article as Amaryllis Knight is of interest to countless people. Her notability is documented in multiple third-party sources, including the The Financial Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle. She is the owner and co-builder (as per these articles and others) of what has been awarded the "best custom motorcycle company, 2008" by Esquire Magazine UK. The recent motorcycle she built along with her fiancee Ian Barry won "Best Custom Motorcycle" at the only International motorcycle Concours Legend Of The Motorcycle, where she was awarded the prize by Jesse James, along with Ian Barry. Knight has done notable and high profile charity work, as well as appearing along-side Jack Osbourne in the Mongol Rally and Jack Osbourne: Adrenaline Junkie series in three episodes according to IMDB. Knights family are of interest too. Although this is not reason for inclusion, it is of additional interest to many. Agreed with User:Galliano7, that although Knights notable mother divorced her step-father Norman Foster, Baron Foster of Thames Bank, this does not change the fact that Foster was and is indeed, independently her step-father.- Ash773 | talk 20:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments notability is not inherited so who her parents or step-parents are/may be etc is not remotely relevant to this conversation. Nor is her being the fiancee of anyone (as this also falls under notability is not inherited. The company has won an award (good for them, that still doesn't make her notable), IMDB isn't a reliable source. Being of "interest to countless people" does't make one notable either. It seems to me that all her supposed notabiliy is based on who she is related to, who she knows, or to the company that she co-founded (none of which make her notable in her own right). Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Meets WP:BIO Notability established-several independent and reliable sources. Not just the co-founder of the company, but a celebrated custom bike builder who is of public interest to the motorcycle community. Her family/who she is engaged to is not Notable but is interesting. Being a character that has appeared on multiple seasons/episodes of a prime time television show that has aired worldwide is also of public interest, as is her humanitarian work, as seen on Prime time Tv, Oprah and various magazine publications. LAmusic3 | talk 06:47, 21 August (UTC)
• Keep. Meets WP:BIO Multiple references - notability and public interest authenticated through independently verifiable and reliable sources.JzoJames | talk 07:17, 21 August (UTC)

Please can you show me where the subject of this article (not her company, or a motorcycle, or her fiancee, etc) has been covered in a significant, non-trivial manner in reliable 3rd party sources. The ones present in the article at the moment don't show this so instead of just saying they exist over and over again, please show them to us. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Here are a handful - the motorcycle is a motorcycle she built, that won the most important motorcycle concours in the world this year, and it is in this context that she is mentioned, as well as being mentioned as the owner/ co-founder of the company, a rally car driver, an entrepreneur and having starred in the Mongol Rally with Jack Osbourne.

• LA Times article December 10th 1997
• San Francisco Chronicle: Bullet Falcon Built by Ian Barry and Amaryllis Knight
• Vapors Magazine
• LA Times article April 30 2008
• Legend Of The Motorcycle Press Release
• Intersection Magazine: The Bullet Falcon
• imdbid=Amaryllis Knight
• The Mongol Rally
• The Next Right Thing: Connecting children in medical need with people who can help.
• The Oprah Winfrey Show: Creative Visions The Name Campaign (started by Knight)

JzoJames | talk 09:42, 21 August (UTC)

Okay. Falconmotorcycles nor IMDB are reliable 3rd party sources. Your ITV and Oprah links still don't work, Press Releases don't normally qualify as reliable 3rd party sourcing, the LAtimes thing you provide isn't about HER and barely mentions her name, please give me something new that I haven't already commented on above that actually meets our criteria for inclusion. Just saying something meets a criteria doesn't cut it. Just saying she is notable doesn't make it so. And just having a group of people that have all worked on the same extremely small group of articles repeat the exact same rationale over and over again doesn't make the subject actually meet said criteria. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Falcon Motorcycles is not quoted in the links, an independent article written by Intersection Magazine is available from their site, and that is what the falconmotorcycles link downloads. Oprah link is now working. ITV is still working on this end. 1st LA Times article mentions her multiple times, second LA Times article is about her and the company she started with Ian Barry, the rest of the article pertains to the bike she built and won a show for (as per the San Francisco Chronicle article and others). The Press release is from the site of the largest and most well respected International motorcycle concours in the world, which was attended by 7000 people, and where knight was awarded the prize for "best custom motorcycle" this year for the Bullet Falcon. (refer to San Francisco Chronicle article). People being interested in the same sets of things or people makes sense to me. Are you in the motorcycle world? If you are not a fan or this subject is not your expertise, maybe this is why you are not aware of her and it would be best to leave the subject to be edited by the people in the know. JzoJames | talk 09:26, 22 August (UTC)

• Keep. Meets WP:BIO Notable figure in the motorcycle world and culture. Independent refs and citations. Halfmoon3 | talk 18:51, 21 August (UTC)

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Harriet Spicer

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Unreferenced for over two years, fails verifiability policy. Also questionable notability — being in the Judicial Appointments Commission does not convince me. Stifle (talk) 13:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Also nominated:Francis Plowden (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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• Delete and I have added Francis Plowden to this list - I believe these two articles only exist to make the entire list of Judicial Appointments Commission into bluelinks. Black Kite 11:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Locobot (talk) 01:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

• Keep. A Google News archive search reveals notability several times over. Is it really too much to expect people to do a few seconds' basic research before nominating for deletion? Phil Bridger (talk) 12:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Harriet Spicer now has plenty of references satisfying WP:V and WP:N. I added extra references to Francis Plowden, and so he clearly passes the same policies. Tassedethe (talk) 15:06, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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Nikki Jackson

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No reliable sources, and doesn't pass the criteria at WP:PORNBIO. Epbr123 (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom.--S_RX 20:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Delete - Awards are minor and not well known Morbidthoughts (talk) 21:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete doesn't meet the WP:PORNBIO criteria and hasn't been covered enough to meet the general notability guidelines either. Jasynnash2 (talk) 11:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Per nom. JoshuaD1991 (talk) 22:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Jesse Winchester

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Reads like a fansite, makes a few claims, but overall he seems to fail WP:V. A search for his name and various keywords turned up no reliable sources besides this and a couple interviews, which I don't think are enough. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 17:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep - Meets several WP:MUSIC criteria: (1) Subject of multiple non-trivial published works (for example, see ). (2) Has had a charted hit ("Say What", #32 on Billboard, May 30, 1981). (5) Two or more albums on a major label. I suspect he also meets two or three additional criteria, but these should be enough. BRMo (talk) 01:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - meets notability with multiple reliable sources per BRMo -- Whpq (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - covered by several notable artists, scarcity of other information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.73 (talk) 17:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Georgina Smith

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No reliable sources, and doesn't pass the criteria at WP:PORNBIO. Epbr123 (talk) 19:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom.--S_RX 20:32, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Delete Per nom. JoshuaD1991 (talk) 22:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Armando Romero

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Fails WP:N, WP:RS. Wizardman 14:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete due to the absence of citations from reliable sources which are required to comply with the verifiability policy. Stifle (talk) 19:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• VERY STRONG KEEP, I just added alot of external links and plan on doing more research on this artist. Very notable. Callelinea (talk) 04:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

  They don't seem to be links to reliable sources, like mainstream media. Stifle (talk) 08:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep the article needs fixing, and work but the article is worthwhile..Modernist (talk) 18:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Rock Williams

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This article may be a hoax - a Google search for "Rock Williams" and "KFWR" only turns up this article. The charges of sexual harrassment cited in the article are also not confirmed in an online search.WP:RS and WP:V, to put it mildly. Ecoleetage (talk) 02:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy delete, the charges are libelous against Steve Harmon, in and of itself a reason to delete this quickly. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 02:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Ouch, those charges have been in the article for 2 1/2 years!!! I've removed the blp violation. Corvus cornix_talk 03:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete as article fails to meet the notability standard, does not include any references from reliable third-party sources. - Dravecky (talk) 20:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Note I've cleaned up the article and feel strongly that no longer qualifies for a Speedy Delete although unless notability can be established I still feel that it should be deleted. - Dravecky (talk) 21:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete not notable. I came to this article expected it to be about the sax player, a well known session musician from Nashville but found this DJ instead. Not finding any references to backup his notability.--Rtphokie (talk) 00:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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John Blanchard

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No sources other than the author's webpage. Claims to be a writer of evangelical religion, has a dubious degree, and makes claims of importance, but not proven. There seems to be many people with the John Blanchard's in the press. This article has been on wikipedia and if here's notable, I would have thought someone would have added one source in two years.

Note this is not John Blanchard (politician) or John Blanchard the movie director of The Last Polka. If this is deleted, one of these more notable Johns should replace it.We66er (talk) 07:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:COPYVIO. See . It appears that he may be notable (award, bestseller claim, number of books sold) but as of right now this article is nothing but copyvio and a list of things he has written. Unless someone volunteers to completely rewrite this, it needs to be deleted, probably speedily. TallNapoleon (talk) 08:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. So many books, so little notability. WWGB (talk) 11:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per copyvio concerns. In case you are wondering, I'm not related to this guy. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 21:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
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Tjandamurra O'Shane

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This article appears to violate WP:BLP1E. It is about a private person who is known (and not that widely) only as the victim of a single incident. A Google search on "Tjandamurra O'Shane" gets only 354 hits, and many of those are on WP clones. Donald Albury 14:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• • Comment. If you search alternate spellings the total is more like 1500 Ghits. WWGB (talk) 12:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep. This "private person" gave his most recent media interview just days ago . As I said during the last AfD, "notable and received lots of media coverage at the time. Requires expansion, not deletion." -- Longhair\^talk 14:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: "The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be the subject of an encyclopedia entry." - so the fact that he was interviewed does not in any way imply that we should have an article about him. He's still notable only for one event.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
    • But also in BLP1E it refers to someone who "essentially remains a low-profile individual". Recent interviews with major news outlets hardly support that. the wub "?!" 14:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Strong delete. Classic violation of BLP1E. If current policy doesn't allow that things like this be speedied, then that policy needs to be clarified. --Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - as Jimmy said, this is a classic single event bio. - Philippe 16:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as Jimmy and Donald rightly identify this is a WP:BLP1E case; we should not be hanging millstones round people's necks in this way. I'd be open to persuasion abut a redirect to an article on racism and aboriginals (apologies if that's not PC, no offence intended), if one exists, that is certainly a valid topic, but this is just tabloid aggregation and we really should be better than that. Guy (Help!) 16:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per BLP1E. Stifle (talk) 19:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or Possible Merge to an appropriate article on Aborigines. I concur that this is classic WP:BLP1E case - there is no indication of any coverage of this individual other than for this one event. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 20:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - A quick search using some keywords doesn't really show anything this could be merged into, and per WP:ONEEVENT shouldn't be on the encyclopedia. The 'expected result' of the last AfD per the event newswise obviously hasn't happened.--MattWT 22:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep: With great respect to the earlier comments, this was not an ordinary injury victim. People are involved in accidents and injuries all the time, which make the news but are not worthy of remembering. I understand that reasoning. However, most Australian people know of Tjandamurra O'Shane. I'm sure there's racial incidents all the time in every country, but this one struck the Australian populace because it became a poignant example of a racial attack against innocence. The incident touched the nation, and the nation followed Tjandamurra's progress for years. I didn't have anything to do with the article, and just came across it on the AfD list, but still, more than 12 years after the event I remember Tjandamurra O'Shane. It's an event that meant something to Australia, even if it means nothing to the rest of the world. If anything, the article is too short and should be expanded. If you described a Los Angeles guy called Rodney who was a taxi driver and also the victim of a racial attack, on that evidence alone you'd say delete it. But when it means something to a nation, you keep it.--Lester 22:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: Then where are the citations to reliable sources explaining and discussing the significance of this incident? While Google searches are poor tools for assessing notability and significance, the paucity of non-Wikipedia derived Google hits about the subject of the article indicates to me that the incident may have made a big splash in the news at the time, but has no enduring encyclopedic merit that justifies the existence of an article about the victim in Wikipedia. -- Donald Albury 23:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
    • re: Comment - Most of the major Australian media organisations only began putting their content online after 2001. It's actually difficult to search for anything before then. The Courier Mail, the main newspaper for Brisbane and Queensland, keeps a list of the top events to occur in North Queensland during history, and the 1996 event surrounding Tjandamurra O'Shane is listed prominently. (Link: Courier Mail).--Lester 23:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
      • ARTICLE IMPROVED - Just noting the point where I have made some improvements to the article, with new references.--Lester 01:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - I claim some authorship of this article. Tjandamurra's 18th birthday was considered national news - . The Education Department compiled a report into risk and security in schools a month after the incident - . The Law Institute of Victoria had a comment about the compensation available to him - . - Richard Cavell (talk) 00:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep more than just a BLP1E. Most major media outlets in Australia covered his 18th birthday, 12 years after the initial event. This pretty much proves the national significance of the initial event. This isn't some long forgotten crime, this is a crime that horrified a nation and is therefore of encyclopedic value. RMHED (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - But no doubt because of the original event. Follow up stories, birthday wishes, and such do not assert notability.. --MattWT 04:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. This goes beyond WP:ONEEVENT. Aside from the horrific attack, Tjandamurra has a famous aunt and was also given the gift of a world title belt by a world champion boxer . WWGB (talk) 00:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - Having a famous aunt does not assert notability in the smallest way, and being given the belt is because of the burning. This still applies under WP:ONEEVENT in my view with a stretch, but definitely does not pass notability. --MattWT 04:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep not a WP:ONEEVENT as per Richard Cavell, RMHED and WWGB hsve said. Bidgee (talk) 02:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep The random attack on a 6-year old Aboriginal boy is notable through being profoundly significant in Australia, and in the field of indigenous/European relations. The attack and Tjandamurra are indistinguishable. Wikipedia could not carry an article about the attack without it being an article about Tjandamurra. I have added a little extra information with appropriate citation. Dolphin51 (talk) 03:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - There should not be an individual article on the attack at all, Wikinews is for that. I would support a merge with any article you can find however that deals with Indigenous and European relations.. --MattWT 04:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment - This remark makes no sense, Wikinews is for recent news, not historical events.--Grahame (talk) 07:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment As I mentioned in the previous AfD, O'Shane was one of Who Weekly magazine's most beautiful people of 1996. --Canley (talk) 04:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - Per WP:ONEEVENT 'If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted'. Are there any sources that refer to him not because of what happened to him in the fire, or directly related to it? Non trivial coverage would support the articles existance in the long run, not just to save an article that may be deleted in the future. --MattWT 04:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

To MattWT, I realise you've only been at Wikipedia for a few days, but it would help if you posted comments in the order that you make them, and not keep changing your comments later. Thanks,--Lester 07:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. The amount of attention recieved at the time and continuing to this day makes this a clearly notable event. Where else should it be placed? Perhaps we should go with one of our typically ridiculous titles like 1996 Indigenous Australian child combustion incident? It's all very well saying things like "we should not be hanging millstones round people's necks in this way" - but it's not us who did that. We can't magic away the overwhelming media coverage. the wub "?!" 09:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, with due respect to those who are saying "delete because of BLP1E", I'm going to have to disagree. The attack on O'Shane generated truly staggering coverage at the time, and the fact that he's still getting coverage in notable sources only underlines his notability. Saying that the article should be deleted because it all stems from one event is like saying that Phan Thị Kim Phúc should be deleted because all of her notability came from a single event. While it may technically meet the BLP1E definitions, I really don't think that cases like this one were what the community had in mind with that particular policy. As long as the material in the article is well sourced and uncontroversial (which, as far as I can see, it is), I don't see any problem with the retention of this article. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 09:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC).
• Keep. Per Lester, Donald Albury, Richard Cavell, RMHED, Dolphin51, the wub, etc. We do have articles on these folks (see Jessica McClure, for instance) and if Janda stops doing interviews and registers concern of privacy we can re-evaluate what needs to be here. One event concerns are valid as most minors don't have a lot of notable things going on. He's apparently a performing indigenous dancer so it could help to add sections to the article to help differentiate and organize the material. The sources are under utilized, IMHO, especially the recent interviews with him. Banjeboi 09:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment How did I get on that list? I nominated this article, and still support its deletion. -- Donald Albury 11:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment. My bad, zigged when I meant to zag. Banjeboi 12:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I welcome Jimmy's suggestion that the policy be clarified, but not so that "things like this" can be speedy deleted. WP:BIO1E mentions those involved with "a particular relatively unimportant crime" – a pretty wishy-washy statement, and one that I don't think applies here. I don't agree that WP:NOTNEWS applies to an individual known to millions of Australians over twelve years after the event. --Canley (talk) 11:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• keep Yes, he is notable primarily for one event but it was an event that made international attention and the fact that it is still being followed up 14 years later demonstrates the high degree of notability associated with the matter. Moreover, the fact that now as an adult he is giving interviews demonstrates that he doesn't have a large amount of concern or extreme desire for privacy so such arguments do not hold water in this case. JoshuaZ (talk) 16:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep WP:BLP1E is regularly abused and misinterpreted to mean "delete any article for any person whose notability can be traced backed to a single event, regardless of anything else that has occurred in their life", and this selective misuse of policy is only further perpetuated here. While initial notability stemmed from a single incident, O'Shane's continuing coverage in the media, backed by independent reliable and verifiable sources, clearly meets the Wikipedia:Notability standard. Even for those who believe BLP1E is a valid justification to not have an article for O'Shane, the refusal to follow BLP1E's guidance and renaming the article -- "In such cases, a redirect or merge are usually the better options. Cover the event, not the person." -- is only further evidence that the policy is being abused. Alansohn (talk) 16:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep (consider renaming if feasible.) The racially motivated crime here caused a huge outcry, and the attention caused by this makes the event encyclopedic. For other examples, consider the Rodney King case, and the 2005 murder of an African 12-year old at Holmlia which is covered in the general purpose encyclopedia Store norske leksikon. If BLP1E is the concern (I am fairly ambivalent to this, on one hand I can understand the problem of victim->notable, on the other hand this person has been covered for a long time since the event, and given a spot in an Olympic torch relay as well), renaming the article to cover the event is a better option than outright deletion. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. It was never established that this was a racially-motivated attack. Streeton never revealed his motive, only saying that he had been planning to burn someone since Year 2 because he had been bullied at school. WWGB (talk) 09:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep The crime perpetrated against Tjandamurra caused a very large public reaction in Australia and was very prominent front page news at the time. Since then there have been regular reports on Tjandamurra's progress in the media. Whether this crime was racially motivated or not it is worthy of keeping simply for its original and continuing significance in Australia and in Queensland in particular. Jenafalt (talk) 11:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep and possibly rename. Even if it did apply, BLP1E is not grounds for deletion. It specifically states that we should "cover the event, not the person" if the subject meets other criteria for inclusion. Continuing coverge over more than a decade and events such as the benefit concert clearly demonstrate notability. No policy-based reasons for deletion have been presented or supported. Jim Miller ^{See me | Touch me} 13:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Rename to the event per WP:BLP1E. Not sure why so many people (including those who should know better) think BLP1E supports deletion. Jclemens (talk) 03:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - a number of editors have suggested renaming, which I can see might be a compromise, but so far there have been no suggestions as to a better title than the current one (except my somewhat fatuous suggestion). Any ideas? the wub "?!" 12:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I agree if there were some great new name a move might seem reasonable but the objections all stemmed from concerns of BLP and much if not most of teh current information would likely be kept. Banjeboi 22:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes, but the BLP1E and BIO1E concerns are meritless. 11 years later, last week, this guy has major media exposure, with photos, looking back on the event at his 18th birthday. Per WP:NOT#NEWS "Unless news coverage of an individual goes beyond the context of a single event, our coverage of that individual should be limited to the article about that event, in proportion to their importance to the overall topic." 11 year later followups would not exist without the event, but these articles extend beyond merely recounting the event--they cover his 18th birthday, current state, enduring effects of the injuries, and basically revisit him as a person. All evidence is that this event was suitably notable in Australia that it makes news 11 years later. Fundamentally, I don't care whether it's called an event and includes some info on the gentleman's bio, or his bio and includes info on his event. We have WP:RS for all of it and no compelling reason to not cover it. Jclemens (talk) 23:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Either as an article on the event or on the individual. The extensive coverage over such a period of time persuades me that we should have an article on this and goes beyond a WP:BLP1E for me. Davewild (talk) 08:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I find it similar to Crispus Attucks: "Little is known for certain about Attucks other than that he was killed in the Boston Massacre." Or Matthew Shepard. The fact that he was attacked by a bigot is not really notable, but the response that he got is notable and makes him notable.--Prosfilaes (talk) 14:07, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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Abbas Ansarifard

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Contested prod. Subject fails notability. There is no significant coverage. ~ Eóin (talk) 20:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. There are no references, and this article has been in existence for over two months; not notable. Wikieditor06 (talk) 13:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Delete - Needs citations for verification. Probably could be restored, I see some notability here. --LordSunday 22:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. A fee sources exist and there are probably more in Persian. Chairman of a top tier football club seems notable to me. Eluchil404 (talk) 04:49, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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Lee Sawyer

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Article on young footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE as he's never played a first team game. The article made the claim that he has, but the reference provided did not state so, so I prodded the article. It was then deprodded and a new link to a BBC story claiming one first team apperance was added. However, I believe the BBC are mistaken. Their own statistics page claims zero apperances, as does soccerbase. The match report from the game that he supposedly played in also confirms that he did not play. пﮟოьεԻ 57 18:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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  • Move to withdraw as he has now played for Southend. пﮟოьεԻ 57 23:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete until and unless he plays in the first team. Stifle (talk) 19:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Obviously people are misinterpreting "made a substitute appearance" as meaning he came on as a substitute, when it actually means that he was named on the bench but did not play. – PeeJay 20:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep The man is under contract and has been with the team since the age of 9. It's probably only a matter of time before an official and substantiable game appearance occurs. --Mr Accountable (talk) 21:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • That sounds like WP:CRYSTAL balling to me. For all we know, he may break his leg in training and never play professionally. We have WP:ATHLETE for a reason. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - ESPN Soccernet also doesn't list any league appearances, meaning he fails WP:ATHLETE. When he plays an official match for Chelsea Southend United or another pro club, this can be recreated. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - Has played in one professional game, so he now satisfies the notability guideline. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as per WP:ATHLETE and WP:CRYSTAL. doktorb _words^deeds 21:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Per nom. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 03:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep for now. Player was only sent to a 3rd tier team a few hours ago. Surely before spending the time to involve everyone in an AfD one should assume good faith rather than being pointy and see if he is going to be playing. Let's evaluate based on Friday's game and then worry if it should be deleted or not. There is little point removing content that we are likely going to have to restore. Nfitz (talk) 07:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • The AfD won't close until the day of Southend's next game, and obviously I will withdraw the AfD if he plays. I'm getting quite tired of your attacks on my motivations for AfDs - there is no WP:POINT-making here. As I've said many times before, the real problems are (a) editors creating articles before people meet the critiera, and (even worse), editors deprodding articles that clearly fail the criteria (as you have done at least 15 times in the last month - 11 articles from which have already been deleted after AfDs). Restoring is no effort at all compared to having an AfD forced upon us all. I'm not going to add tens of articles to my watchlist and then check back in a week/fortnight/month to see if they have played or not. If they haven't played, then there shouldn't be an article. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete fails both WP:ATHLETE and the general notability criteria. There is little point creating content which fails the most basic of the criteria for inclusion. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:ATHLETE. Recreate if and when he makes a fully-pro appearance. --Jimbo^[online] 09:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Note to closing admin - he has now played for Southend, so most of the delete 'votes' are no longer applicable. PhilKnight (talk) 17:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - he's played for Southend now. Bart133 ^{t c @ How's my driving?} 01:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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Sadio Ba

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Sadio Ba plays for K.S.K. Beveren, which is a second division football club. Therefore he fails WP:ATHLETE as he doesn't play for a fully professional league. Tavix (talk) 23:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, don't forget his past clubs. He played for KVC Westerlo and maybe others in the Belgian top league, which AFAIK counts as professional, which is the yardstick. Sources are needed though. Punkmorten (talk) 23:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep has played in professional league. Tovian (talk) 18:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Michael Governale

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Unsourced autobiography. Doesn't seem notable, for example a search for "Michael Governale" funtime for baby (the latter being the software that is his claim for fame) turns up squat. Not to be confused with the Arizona drive-by shooting victim of the same name. MER-C 10:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, fails WP:BIO. Essentially a CV, and we are not a social networking site. --Dhartung | Talk 11:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Note — The two very closely-related articles, Flopsy The Dog and Giggles Computer Funtime for Baby, have both been G11'd (blatant advertising/spam). MuZemike (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Per nom.. - -[The Spooky One] | ^{[t c r]} 23:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOTWEBHOST as well as not meeting the notability requirements per WP:BIO. MuZemike (talk) 17:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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David Sherer

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American physician and author. Feels like an autobio and veiled spam for the guy's books. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 21:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Weak Keep although I agree that it is reading mostly like an excuse to advertise the book and that it desperately needs better references from 3rd party sources there are the hits here, although I'm not sure both Dr Sherers are the same person hence the weak. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep but rewrite It reads like an advert, but he does seem to have notable publications RogueNinja_talk 05:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Agree with RogueNinja that the article needs work but there are sources:
  • "Dr. David Sherer's Hospital Survival Guide: 100+ Ways to Make Your Hospital Stay Safe and Comfortable (Book)." Quest: Muscular Dystrophy Association 11, no. 2 (March 2004): 65-65. Abstract: Reviews the book "Dr. David Sherer's Hospital Survival Guide: 100+ Ways to Make Your Hospital Stay Safe and Comfortable," by David Sherer and Maryann Karinch.
  • "Outliers." Modern Healthcare 33, no. 38 (September 22, 2003): 48. Abstract:Reviews & Products:DR. David Sherer's Hospital Survival Guide: 100+ Ways to Make Your Hospital Stay Safe & Comfortable (Book)
  • Brayfield, Amy. "the POWER of a GOOD BOOK.." Arthritis Today 18, no. 4 (July 2004): 78-78. Abstract: Provides information on books for summer beach reading. "Play As If Your Life Depends on It," by Frank Forencich; "Dr. David Sherer's Hospital Survival Guide";
  • Ostrowski, Marya. "Empower them!." RN 66, no. 11 (November 2003): 9-9. Abstract: Discusses contents of the book "Dr. David Sherer's Hospital Survival Guide". Tips for nurses in caring for hospital patients; Reasons for recommending the book.--Captain-tucker (talk) 15:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Norm Ellefson

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Reads like one huge copy-vio (although I can find no evidence). I think this page needs to be restarted from scratch.

(All the images in the article claim to be "not copyrighted" even though some are from newspapers. Presently unsure how to approach removing the images, which are both here and at commons.) Eventually all listed for deletion. Ian¹³/t 09:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

And I vote delete despite the transformation to a stub, now for notability. (The 2 significant races he entered for he didn't qualify.) Ian¹³/t 09:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

• Neutral - I know nothing about car racing so the bloke may well be very notable but most of the article is a huge rambling stream of consciousness written in an extremely unencyclopedic style and in the first person (pretty much everything bar the first paragraph was added in one edit by User:Nellefson so it is likely an autobiography) and illustrated with pics which claim to be free use but almost certainly aren't. Suggest that all of this be removed as completely unencylopedic, remaining stub might then be OK...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

  So are you saying delete then restore stub, because that sounds sensible to me. Ian¹³/t 10:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

  I reckon just delete everything from "it all began for me" onwards, then the resultant stub should be OK to keep as is...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

  Seems to me like a perfect remedy. Keep the biographical facts, delete the novella.--Slashme (talk) 11:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Have done as suggested and changed page to a stub. Now I'm wondering if it fails WP:N. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dpmuk (talk • contribs) 13:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete - trivial coverage. PhilKnight (talk) 14:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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Dave Miller (musician)

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NN musicican... no references since December 2007, and no real context to article...
The band he used to be in may pass WP:MUSIC, but this single person alone does not seem notable...
Per WP:MUSIC, "... members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." Adolphus79 (talk) 13:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete, nothing to prove individual notability per WP:MUSIC or WP:BIO.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 00:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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Sergey Igorevich Yakovlev

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The subject of this article appears to lack sufficient notability for inclusion: the subject does not seem to have received non-trivial coverage in independent, reliable sources. No such sources are given in the article and an online search for sources (including a standard web search and Google News and Books searches) does not yield a single useful non-mirror hit. The article has been tagged for notability and lack of sources since June 2007, and the only reason I did not PROD it is that a Russian-language version of the article exists (link). While that does not prove notability by itself, the Russian-language article contains quite a bit of content (but, unfortunately, no real sources) which could possibly give an indication of the subject's notability. –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 20:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment: This was both not listed by the nom and missed by DumbBot. It has been listed. Wizardman 22:52, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep. Notable Novosibirsk musician.DonaldDuck (talk) 10:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Notability requires objective evidence. Can you offer proof of notability, i.e. that the subject of the article has received substantial coverage in reliable sources? –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 13:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete No evidence of notability. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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Richard Gough (sailor)

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Weak claims for notability, "youngest weapon director in the Royal Navy" seemingly the strongest of the bunch. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom unless a third-party source can be provided - the only source is his autobiography which was self-published (Authors On Line Ltd is a self publishing company according to their website). Nick Dowling (talk) 02:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete One cannot "self-publish" oneself into notability. Edison (talk) 02:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete I have been unable to find any independent and reliable sources covering Gough, and thus I believe the article does not meet WP:N. JEdgarFreeman (talk) 20:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Zack Taylor (celebrity blogger)

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Apparent autobiography of an apparently non-notable blogger and staffer for Hot or Not. While it does indeed have references, one is a tangential mention of him in the context of his website; one is a now-deleted post on www.365gay.com; one is a reference to an uncited claim on another Wikipedia page which was itself inserted by the creator of this article, and one makes no mention of the point it's supposed to be referencing – 'He is now the third ranked celebrity blogger in the world, and nicknamed "The Canadian Perez Hilton"' – the actual quote is 'In the short time since IsThisHappening’s late-summer debut, it has established an audience of 200,000 unique visitors per month, most with Canadian IP addresses'.  – iridescent 20:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Autobiographical spam is pretty damning in my book. --Quartermaster (talk) 21:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Weak keep There is actually a CBC article which focuses on this blogger here. This does confer some notability on him. The CBC, like the BBC, a WP:RS Artene50 (talk) 03:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as not notable. I agree with Quartermaster, it seems like spam. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep per Artene50 - DigitalC (talk) 23:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep. I can understand why this self-promotional material was listed, and I dislike the idea that this equates with notability, but (heaven help me) I've actually heard this person interviewed on CBC radio and treated as an expert on both celebrity news and high-profile blogging, oxymoronic though those concepts may seem. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete. This person has yet to receive non-trivial coverage from multiple reliable publications. I think "autobiographical vanity spam" is a fair assessment, also. JBsupreme (talk) 08:28, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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Kokoro Kikuchi

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Fails WP:BIO. No significant coverage, no reliable source to back up claim that Air Gear made her "famous" when it was a secondary role, and all otehr voice roles listed appear to be either minor or secondary parts. All links are standard directory links in which almost every voice actor of any licensed series appears. Wikipedia is not a directory and it is not not a mirror of ANN, TV.com, IMBD, or any other voice actor directory listing. That is all this article is, a replica of those same listings, and without reliable sources or significant coverage anywhere, it is all it will be. Declined speedy.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep I don't know how to explain it anymore.Kitty53 (talk) 04:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Delete non-notable per WP:N and WP:RS. ukexpat (talk) 04:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 04:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete if and only if sources are not provided or found during this AFD. Clearly notable if verified. Stifle (talk) 15:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep. This voice actress play main characters in Air Gear, Coyote Ragtime Show, Digimon Data Squad, Shura no Toki - Age of Chaos. Zero Kitsune (talk) 01:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

  Can you cite some reliable sources that verify that? Stifle (talk) 08:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

  Well, there's always ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=25965). Not to mention, you know, the CREDITS of all those shows? 208.245.87.2 (talk) 14:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

  Show credits would not be third-party sources. Stifle (talk) 08:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

  But if a seiyu has played main characters in anime, then we can infer that he or she is notable. After all, WP:N and WP:BIO are just guidelines, which means they're more flexible than policies. Policies can have flexibility in a few circumstances, though, such as WP:NOR states that articles whose topics do not have reliable secondary sources should not have their own articles, but if one article about a fictional character suits the situation, and the work and the list of ...... characters are too long (all the content meets WP:NOT and the three core content policies), the character should have an article to avoid verboseness in the articles about the work and character list. --RekishiEJ (talk) 11:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

  Just out of curiosity, what possible source could be more authoritative than a production's credits? Given all other references would be based on those credits anyway, after all. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep she is notable. --RekishiEJ (talk) 11:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Contra Zero Kitsune, those roles all are secondary (though more important than minor/incidental) and not the multiple "significant" roles asked by WP:ENTERTAINER. That leaves the only notability claim being the "famous for," which does not seem to be readily verified. If someone can provide a reliable source for that before the AfD is over, then we've got a keeper. Otherwise, it looks like a delete. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comment These AfD's seem to be related as by the same nom about similar actors and created by the same editor - I linked to them at the top for other editor's ease but nom has now deleted them twice so am adding here: Banjeboi 03:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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• • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ai Nagano
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kokoro Kikuchi
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiyoshi Kawakubo
• Delete - nothing outside of minor roles --T-rex 19:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - list of roles is de facto claim of notability. Needs verifying, but i don't think anyone is claiming these are not true. More notable than many tabloid "celebrities" from US or UK. She's never been interviewd anywhere? Tag it for improvment, don't delete.Yobmod (talk) 10:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
• keep yes the article could be improved and edited, but don't delete it--fix it.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. There aren't that many google hits to look through. There are clearly plenty of mentions of this person as the voice actor for various roles, but nothing I can call I reliable source we can use, apart from various user-edited databases like ANN. If there are reliable sources out there, they aren't showing up on Google, which says to me that we can stop hoping this will improve. Mangojuice^talk 17:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:ENTERTAINER#ENTERTAINER. It says: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television, stage performances, and other productions. She is in multiple films <ref> [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=25965] </ref> whose notability is proved by the fact they have articles here.  Mm40 (talk | contribs)  18:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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Richard Garvie

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non-notable figure. This is someone who aspires to be a racing driver Forcedtocreateanaccount (talk) 17:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete An autobiography and/or Made-up gibberish. A random earlier version of this page even uses itself as a reference. It seems to mostly be madeup nonsense/an attempt at a sandbox page because of its creator's several unreferenced, random edits to the page which change the subject from a race car driver to a pornographic actor and back again. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 18:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Delete Reading the edit history makes me think this article is primarily a coatrack for an attack page. David in DC (talk) 18:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Interestingly, it started out as a puff piece favorable to the subject. So favorable, in fact, that some of its text was a press release with "XXXXX" in several places where important information was not yet filled in. It reads like it might have been self-penned, or penned by the subject's publicist. The editor's user name is similar to the name of the subject's purported team. But it became a place for editors of an opposite opinion to dump unsourced, highly derogatory material. There's an object lesson here somewhere, I'm sure of it. David in DC (talk) 18:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment This proposal is sensible and a good interpretation of the facts.
  • Comment This entry in its original form was giving a false impression as to the stature of the subject. On that basis, commerce was conducted and resulted in fraud and could continue to do so. That is the reason why the entry should be a Strong Delete".
• Speedy delete. Some local feud , has no place in Wiki. M0RD00R (talk) 20:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Regardless of the motivations of any editors, the article is unsourced and only talks about what he plans to do sometime in the future. If he wins the auto race then maybe write an article on him. Redddogg (talk) 20:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy delete without all the stupid crap, there is no assertion of notability. JuJube (talk) 23:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete for failing WP:BIO (all counts) and WP:RS (for not having any!) -- JediLofty ^{Talk to me}_{Follow me} 10:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete vanity--DuckFan88 (talk) 10:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Cindy Pucci

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This article does not demonstrate sufficient notability for inclusion and is not verifiable by quality sources. Specifically the article fails the test of WP:PORNBIO as Pucci has not been a serious contender for a significant award, made a unique contribution, or established herself in mainstream media. TheMindsEye (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Weak Keep - According to AVN, she's appeared several times in mainstream media. Whether that's "featured" enough for WP:PORNBIO, that's good enough for me. Morbidthoughts (talk) 03:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete not notable, fails WP:PORNBIO, no reliable sources, fails to win or be nominated for any major awards, and is not established in mainstream media. Annette46 (talk) 04:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • A little pointy, perhaps? Given your stance at this AfD. Epbr123 (talk) 08:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment Maybe Cindy needs more movies and a hairier pussy? Morbidthoughts (talk) 18:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep Has had a small amount of reliable, independant coverage. Epbr123 (talk) 08:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep She has an entry on Internet Movie Database. She has her own adult title coming out later. A fairly long career as a glamour model and now moving into adult entertainment. That is noteworthy and news worthy. 71.163.8.65 (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Notability is not lost if someone changes professions. This nomination shows the flaws in the whole concept of even having WP:PORNBIO. Five regular movies so notability seems to be there. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Akane Omae

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Fails WP:BIO. No significant coverage and all voice roles listed are minor and secondary parts, with most characters not even notable enough to be listed in their series articles. All ELs links are standard directory links in which almost every voice actor of any licensed series appears. Wikipedia is not a directory and it is not not a mirror of ANN, IMBD, or any other voice actor directory listing and this list does nothing more than replicate what those site have. Without reliable sources or significant coverage anywhere about this person, it is likely that this article will never more than it is now. Declined speedy. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I am not yet voting, but I believe the article can at least expand in coverage based on the Japanese Wikipedia entry. Investigation should probably reveal some devoted articles from reliable sources; unfortunately, they will probably be in Japanese. -Verdatum (talk)
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• Keep, seems notable enough. Stifle (talk) 19:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: As Verdatum notes, the jawiki article does seem to show a rather extensive body of work, including major roles and a good singing career, almost none of which is reflected in our article. If someone with Japanese skills could summarize, it'd help with evaluating this AfD. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep. This actress plays main characters in Mahou Sensei Negima/Negima?! and Hamtaro. Anime News Network and Internet Movie Database are reliable sources. And the Japanese Wikipedia is more complete. This article needs more work, not deletion. Zero Kitsune (talk) 01:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep per Zerokitsune. Expansion, not deletion, is the clear remedy... Ranma9617 (talk) 05:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Michael Klonsky

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This article was reduced to a stub in April, apparently due to an OTRS complaint (see the article talk page). Nobody seems to have been interested in rewriting the article since then. In the state it is currently in, it does not assert or establish notability, and also lacks reliable sources.  Sandstein  15:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC) Withdrawn, since the article has now been sourced to the point where notability is clearly established. Thanks, David!  Sandstein  22:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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• comment I expect the claims amount to notability. I'm not sure what you mean about "lacks reliable sources" two New York Times articles seem obviously over the WP:RS bar. As for the stubbiness, that doesn't seem to me to be grounds for deletion, an article could be written, and conceivably even brought up to FA status. The concerns the subject raised on the ORTS seem well founded, but I gather from Guy's response that he requested the falsities be deleted, rather than requesting complete deletion of the article. I'm strongly inclined towards keep on the basis of what I've seen so far. Pete.Hurd (talk) 20:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. The NYT and LAT sources weren't in the article when it was nominated for deletion — at that time, it really did look like a speedy A7 candidate. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
  • response Thanks, I should have checked to compare the article version at nom... Pete.Hurd (talk) 20:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Always check the article history before A7 speedy nominations. Edison (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I object to the invalid basis for the deletion nomination. Perceived "lack of interest in rewriting" a stubbed article is in no way a valid basis for proposing deletion. Klonsky objected to what he said were inaccuracies and slander in the article, so it was stubbed. But stubbing an article does not remove the notability of the subject, who was national secretary of the Students for a Democratic Society and thus a very important figure in the movement against the Vietnam War in the late 1960's. He appeared on CBS "Face the Nation" in 1972 as a spokesman for the New Left. Google News archive has 137 items about Michael Klonsky , many with substantial coverage. Google Book Search has 196 references, many with substantial coverage. . His more recent academic work in education also has multiple citations in reliable sources with substantial coverage. The article must certainly comply with the policies for biographies of living persons and be carefully referenced. He clearly satisfies WP:BIO and WP:N. He also satisfies WP:PROF. Edison (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• It certainly is a valid reason for AfD if the stub is so minimal as to qualify for WP:CSD#A7. I could just as well have deleted it wholesale.  Sandstein  22:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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Ya Chang

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Fails WP:N, WP:V. Wizardman 19:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - fails WP:BIO, WP:BLP, WP:N, WP:V, WP:REF.--S_RX 20:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • BIO and N are the same thing; REF is a style guideline. It looks as if you are piling on WP links to appear authoritative, but does it hold weight? Punkmorten (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

There may be a violation of Wikipedia:WTF. Otherwise the point seems to have been made. --Dhartung | Talk 01:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, unreferenced biography with no evidence of notability. --Dhartung | Talk 01:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. He is actually a notable (but not really popular) comedian and recording artist in the Philippines, see here, here, and here. You may also want to know more about him here (that is, if you understand Tagalog). Starczamora (talk) 17:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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Georgina Wilcock

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Article is about a candidate for the election; she has never held any elected office and belongs to a minor political party. News coverage is limited to lists of who is running in the election, or on Green Party-affiliated websites. I don't think this passes WP:BIO. Delete Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, there's a pretty decent consensus that candidates for office aren't notable unless they get elected or are Screaming Lord Sutch. Stifle (talk) 14:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, The Green Party of Canada is a national party that trends 12-14% in the polls. Pages exist for many other Green Party candidates, such as Mike Nagy and Claude William Genest, who are both running in by-elections two weeks prior to this by-election. This entry should be acceptable. (64.26.169.22 (talk) 19:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC))

  Please see WP:WAX for information on why that argument is not usually considered convincing. Stifle (talk) 08:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

  Mike Nagy is also being nominated for deletion, and Claude Genest has other factors that establish notability aside from his candidacy. justinfr (talk) 12:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Other non-elected candidates such as Rob Oliphant have a Wikipedia entry. I think this entry deserves to stay —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.32.97 (talk) 18:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I see that WP:VAX indicates that the 'there are other such' argument is not sufficient to prove that a deletion is not warranted (since other such articles may not yet have been noticed), however, I believe that consistency is nevertheless an ideal held by all, and since other articles on green candidates have indeed been noticed, I believe it is incumbent upon the proposer to state whether all green candidate articles should be deleted, or if only this one, why only this one, and furthermore to state in what respect he/she thinks that the green party is so minor that their candidates should not have wikipedia articles and also to state at what point a party would no longer be so minor that wikipedia articles might be justified. --Paulalexdij (talk) 02:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• First, WP:POLITICIAN is clear that unelected candidates aren't notable in and of themselves. Second, she fails WP:BIO in general, in that there is little coverage of her in the press - I've only found one article that would be considered a biography, rather than an announcement that she is running - and that was what appears to be a minor newspaper. Third, WP:WAX states that precedent - another Green Party candidate has a page - isn't a reason, as does WP:SEWAGE. Fourth, she is running in a minor political party - one that has yet to win any first or second level government seats as stated in Green Party of Canada. I feel that this impacts her notability - it is very different to be a candidate for a major political party than a minor one that has yet to win federal or provincial office. Do any of these, by themselves, make her not notable and thus the article worthy of deletion? Perhaps not, but all of them - combined - do. As far as I can tell, there is no case to be made that she is notable enough for an article, outside of "so-and-so does" which, as already mentioned, is not a valid argument. In fact, it is all the more reason to delete this article, as letting it stand will mean that the acceptance of this article will mean that every candidate, regardless of notability standards, will deserve one. Do we really want more WP:SEWAGE? --Mr. Vernon (talk) 02:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Well I guess the crux of the matter is how important the Green Party is, and of course we do know that they have never won any seats. On the other hand they are one of only five parties who have polled enough to garner government funding, and they are one of only four parties to have run a complete slate in the last election, so they are clearly in a different league from really minor parties, such as the Libertarians for example, who seem to have only one wikipedia article for all their candidates (which can easily be done seeing as they have never run anything near a full slate). Anyway, imho, fwiw, I think this article should not be deleted. --Paulalexdij (talk) 06:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Clear Delete and Merge into article on relevant election as per WP:POLITICIAN and WP:BIO1E. Candidates for office are not notable for that fact alone. RayAYang (talk) 06:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:POLITICIAN as well as the general notability criteria. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't sufficient reason to keep or delete most articles and this is no exception. Jasynnash2 (talk) 13:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)-

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Ai Nagano

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Unnotable living voice actress that fails WP:BIO. She is not the "subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." One voice role in one series does not make her notable. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep Cutey Honey is a notable role.Kitty53 (talk) 00:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep As Kitty53 said, Ai Nagano played Cutey Honey in the revival series Cutey Honey Flash. JuJube (talk) 00:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Last I checked, she has also starred in the Digimon series, and I'm pretty sure Digimon is a notable type of anime. She has also starred in the Pretty Cure series.Kitty53 (talk) 00:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Appearing in, or in this case having a voice role in, is not the same as starring in. She played a minor character in Pretty Cure and I think in Digimon as well. Also, it is good to note you are the article creator when saying keep. :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
      • She has voiced Suzie Wong in Digimon. Last I checked, Suzie Wong is a main character in the show.Kitty53 (talk) 01:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
      • She starred as the main role in Cutey Honey Flash, not exactly a minor lead role. 68.81.95.231 (talk) 01:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
        • I didn't question Cutey Honey, but that still doesn't make her notable. No reliable sources, no extensive coverage. The article creator is throwing a bunch of directory listings in the article as "references" but they aren't and they don't meet WP:BIO at all. Again, where is the significant coverage. If her roles in Cutey Honey Flash and Digimon are notable and "made her famous" as the article claims, where is the extensive coverage backing up these claims to fame? Newspaper articles, discussion in books, heck, being mentioned in reviews of the series praising or condemning her work? Even her list of works is totally uncited, with it partially copy/pasted from ANN. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
          • Why not look at the JA article, then?Kitty53 (talk) 02:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
            • Because it is completely unreferenced, like almost all JA articles, which this just pretty much seems to be a copy of. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
              • That's because she is a freelancer!Kitty53 (talk) 02:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• I change my vote to redirect to Digimon Tamers, then!Kitty53 (talk) 03:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Why? She isn't a series character, so that would not be an appropriate redirect. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Because, oh, I don't know how to explain this! I worked so hard on that article! You put three of my articles up for deletion, all of which will probably be deleted! I'm having a bad day, and it's all because of you! And worse, I'm not being given very many options!Kitty53 (talk) 03:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

If it makes you happy, I'll change my vote back to keep!Kitty53 (talk) 03:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

It isn't a vote, its an opinion and it should be based on your reading of WP:BIO and your view as to whether the article meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. If you feel it does, make one Keep comment, explaining why you feel it does meet those guidelines, provide sources and links (as needed) to back up your argument, and leave it at that. Going back and forth and back and forth clutters the AfD and is mildly aggravating. You may want to read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to discuss an AfD to learn how to discuss an AfD, and maybe glance over Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Also, it is not my fault you are having a bad day. You are choosing to be very emotional and dramatic over these deletions. I think you really need to learn to stop internalizing things so much and calm down some. You seem to get very emotional over everyday Wiki occurrences, which does not help anything at all and is only upsetting you. Step back, take some deep breaths, and have a cup of tea or milk. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Like that other random Japanese voice actor's article posted above this AfD, there's no actual given reason to delete this. Just a bunch of forced, boilerplate "non-notable per WP:THIS and WP:THAT" wikilawyering that doesn't have any positive or constructive outcome in mind for the overall project. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 04:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Hear hear, and firmly agreed. 208.245.87.2 (talk) 18:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable per WP:N and WP:RS, not wikilawyering, it's wikipolicy. ukexpat (talk) 04:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep. She played the title role in Cutey Honey Flash and voiced one of the five protagonists of Yes! PreCure 5. I think the article meets the first criteria of WP:ENTERTAINER.--Nohansen (talk) 19:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

If there are no sources discussing these folks (relating to all the voice actor AfDs at the moment), they shouldn't have articles. It doesn't matter whether (we) anime fans think they are notable or important because of the roles they have played in some series, few of which are even considered that relevant/notable in the English speaking world because outside of Japan, anime is still a niche market. In reality, most don't even get that much coverage in Japan because voice actors are like TV actors in bit roles, with only a few exceptional ones out there who achieve claim and fame enough to be widely covered in various sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:BIO is not limited to "the English speaking world". These actors are either notable or they aren't. And, as far as the first criteria for an WP:ENTERTAINER is concerned, they are because the roles they've played are significant.--Nohansen (talk) 20:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep as per Nohansen. lack of sources is gronds for improvement, not deletion. Edward321 (talk) 01:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep per Nohansen. I note that WP:ENTERTAINER #1 doesn't require that the roles be covered in "secondary source material," only that they be significant within the production and that the production be notable. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment These AfD's seem to be related as by the same nom about similar actors and created by the same editor - I linked to them at the top for other editor's ease but nom has now deleted them twice so am adding here: Banjeboi 03:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

See also:

• • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kokoro Kikuchi
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiyoshi Kawakubo

• Comment. I just did a search of her on the net, and it is true that there is pretty much nothing regarding her at all, except that she has roles in Cutey Honey and Digimon... This leads me to agree with Collectonian on the Notability, however due to a bit of bias on my part to keep such pages, I am undecided. Can someone summarise for me, out of the list of anime roles, which of the roles are lead roles and secondary roles? -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 03:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

• Nohansen pretty much covered the lead roles: title role in Cutey Honey Flash and one of the five leads in Yes! PreCure 5; the Digimon role is as a recurring secondary character, and the rest are secondary or bit/single-episode parts. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

• Hm, I see. Thanks. Think I missed that line. For now, I will also say keep; let's hope some source(s) for notability do appear somewhere. -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 01:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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Kasumi Kitano

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The subject of this article appears to lack sufficient notability for inclusion: the subject does not seem to have received non-trivial coverage in independent, reliable sources. An online search for sources, including a standard web search (link) and Google News and Books searches, yields sources that are unreliable or provide only directory-level coverage of the subject, primarily in connection with her role in Dirty Sanchez: The Movie. Her other acting roles include (see IMDb) two single-episode appearances, a minor role in Shoreditch, and something related to Eve Online. Tagged with {{notability}} since June 2007. –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 19:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete. I concur, at this point she fails WP:ENTERTAINER. --Amalthea^Talk 13:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - no significant body of work, no coverage in reliable sources -- Whpq (talk) 13:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Vince Palamara

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Exceptionally overwrought biography of a non-notable author/researcher, which appears to have been largely if not entirely written by the subject himself. He does not seem to have actually written and published any books of his own (one is "being published") and he apparently played in some non-notable rock bands. Nearly all of of the text is unverifiable through reliable sources, and the references section is a lengthy compendium of lists of books written by other people (which may or may not mention him), names, and citations to fringe sites, blogs, YouTube, etc. Delete. --MCB (talk) 06:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete With the exception of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article, the subject lacks third-party coverage. Even if claims that other authors were referring to him when they talked about "a Secret Service expert" were verified, that wouldn't be enough to confer notability. Movingboxes (talk) 06:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete A Google search for his name turns up primarily self-promotional material. While he claims to be an expert, there is precious little that turns up proving that he is referenced by others as an expert. As he appears to be one of the only - perhaps the only - person who contributed content to his article, it doesn't appear that he is even notable in the JFK conspiracy community. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 07:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. He is an author of some minor note in the conspiracy community, so this could go either way, but I'd say his constant efforts to use his article as a self-promotional device and reverting edits by others as "unauthorized" is enough to push it to delete for me. Gamaliel (talk) 16:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

DO NOT DELETE The text is very much verifiable: if one has two eyes (or even one) and access to either the internet, a library/ bookstore, or both, it is extremely easy for anyone in the world to verify all my numerous claims and references; nothing but the facts contained herein. THIS ENTRY HAS EXISTED FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS IN ITS PRESENT FORM AND ALMOST ***TEN*** YEARS IN ITS ENTIRETY (IT WAS ORIGINALLY A WRITER'S "SNUB" [SMALL ENTRY]. I make zero money from my research, so what am I gaining by alleged "self promotion"? I AM in over 45 other author's books (often times mentioning my UNIQUE qualifications as a Secret Service authority), including a GOVERNMENT REPORT (The Final Report of the ARRB) and "The Secret Service: The Hidden History Of An Enigmatic Agency" by Prof. Philip Melanson. Vincent Bugliosi states that i am a Secret Service expert in his 2008 book "Four Days In November" and I was on THE HISTORY CHANNEL four times (including VHS/ DVD; still shown in the UK and YouTube), in newspapers, radio, nationwide lectures, YouTube, all over the internet, print articles, and countless journal articles; that's the facts. As the (or at least "a") civilian Secret Service expert, what more credentials does one need??? I mean, at the VERY least, don't do something as drastic as deleting this entry (which is very popular for search engine hits and inquiries), but take it down to its original form as follows, if need be (!): "Vince Palamara is a civilian authority on the United States Secret Service, especially with regards to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Palamara's work has appeared in over 45 books by other authors, numerous articles, countless internet articles, radio, and The History Channel." Vince Palamara, a.k.a. vincebethel 8/16/08 4:39 p.m. EST —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vincebethel (talk • contribs) 20:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Note: the first revision of this article is four years old, not ten. Zetawoof_(ζ) 07:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

incorrect criticisms of Vince Palamara entry The original edition of this article originated from person (s) unknown, NOT by Vince Palamara, back in 1998-1999, and read as follows: ""Vince Palamara is a civilian authority on the United States Secret Service, especially with regards to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Palamara's work has appeared in over [45; 32 back then] books by other authors, numerous articles, countless internet articles, radio, and The History Channel."Vincebethel (talk) 10:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC) vince palamara

Further note: According to some edit summaries User:Vincebethel is the subject of this article himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunnar Hendrich (talk • contribs) 09:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

suggestion for revision to make everyone happy Bring the areticle back to its original form: ""Vince Palamara is a civilian authority on the United States Secret Service, especially with regards to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Palamara's work has appeared in over 45 books by other authors, numerous articles, countless internet articles, radio, and The History Channel."Vincebethel (talk) 10:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC) important note of self-editing To make the entry factually correct, updated information needed to be inserted AND ALSO THE NEED AROSE TO REMOVE INCORRECT ADDITIONS BY PERSON (S) UNKNOWN. Isn't the whole purpose of Wikipedia to be factually correct? The entry IS factually correct. Again, if need be, just replace the current version with the original entry: ""Vince Palamara is a civilian authority on the United States Secret Service, especially with regards to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Palamara's work has appeared in over 45 books by other authors, numerous articles, countless internet articles, radio, and The History Channel."Vincebethel (talk) 10:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

CommentWP:COI outlines courses of action for subjects who feel that their article is incorrect that do not involve becoming involved in editing their own article. You could have used the talk page to discuss the proposed edits with other editors and see if they agreed that the changes were a good idea. Your edits went beyond correcting factual inaccuracies and your edit summaries accused "unauthorized" editors of making changes. Per Wikipedia policies, you don't own the article just because you're the subject. You don't have to "know" the people who are editing the article for the edits to be acceptable. What is up for discussion is the notability of an article about the subject itself and the verifiability of any information that such an article might contain. In my opinion, your proposed revisions don't solve the problem--the subject isn't notable just because his opinions have appeared in works by others. The subject doesn't meet WP:BIO. Movingboxes (talk) 11:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

PERFECT WAY TO RESOLVE THIS WHOLE MATTER: VERY SIMPLE Since someone NOT Vince Palamara originally wrote the following, and it was up for a number of years with no problems whatsoever, why not simply delete the current entry AND replace with the following as originally written (and, as such, was acceptable under Wikipedia standards): "Vince Palamara is a civilian authority on the United States Secret Service, especially with regards to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Palamara's work has appeared in over 45 books by other authors, numerous articles, countless internet articles, radio, and The History Channel." Vincebethel (talk) 12:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC) alsoVince Palamara wrote two entire chapters in the best-selling book "Murder In Dealey Plaza" (2000), edited by Prof. James Fetzer, which was subsequently favorably reviewed by Publisher's Weekly, mentioning, by name, Vince Palamara himself. In addition, Vince Palamara appeared on the History Channel 4 times in 2003 (as a "Secret Service expert"). Finally, Palamara is noted in an official government report, "The Final Report of the Assassination Records Review Board." These facts alone merit the entry's inclusion, at least in its ORIGINAL (short) format: "Vince Palamara is a civilian authority on the United States Secret Service, especially with regards to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Palamara's work has appeared in over 45 books by other authors, numerous articles, countless internet articles, radio, and The History Channel." Vincebethel (talk) 12:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC) update-importantI had a total of eight different people look at the entry in dispute and they AGREE that it is indeed "overwrought". However, they all unanimously agreed that my original entry (NOT written by me)is fine and should REPLACE the current entry: "Vince Palamara is a civilian authority on the United States Secret Service, especially with regards to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Palamara's work has appeared in over 45 books by other authors, numerous articles, countless internet articles, radio, and The History Channel." Also, I am a published author many times over: in addition to my two whole chapters in a major over the counter best-selling book favorably reviewed by Publisher's Weekly (that also mentions my name), "Murder In Dealey Plaza", Edited by Prof. James Fetzer, I have had many articles published in leading research journals (see footnotes of original entry in dispute; overwrought or not, the facts are the facts). So, once again so it sinks in, DELETE the current entry but also REPLACE it with the aforementioned short substitution (this was originally entitled a Writer's Snub: I guess myself and others made the "mistake" of adding to it; never again for me; too much hassle from editors on here LOL)Vincebethel (talk) 18:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Weak delete. I'm unsure of the genuine notability of this extremely fringe character; the sources seem generally unreliable, but it is possible others could be found. However, there is a clear conflict of interest and the bulk of the article would have to be excised anyway. As a side note, the subject needs to realise that they should not excessively contribute to their own AfD. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Conspiracy theories-related deletion discussions. --MCB (talk) 19:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Per nom. --70.181.45.138 (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Key issue for me is the lack of reliable third-party sources about this person: mentions-in-passing don't count much toward notability, especially as the conspiracy-theory circuit seems to be a small walled garden where the same names keep getting circulated. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

DON'T DELETE As an informed observer, I think it is pretty petty, at this juncture, to remove this entry in its entirety; after all, the entry has been up for many a year. What's the problem? Fame and notability are all relative: there are many, many people listed on Wikipedia I haven't a clue as to who they are, etc. I concede that Mr. Palamara has a huge ego, and he shouldn't have added to his entry, but that, in and of itself, is not enough to justify removal. I believe that the current abridged entry is more than fair. And, if this is a contest, I can come up with a slew of persons to counter the delete bandwagon. Dave Jenkins, a fan of the man, not his egoDavejz (talk) 21:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

DON'T DELETE PART DUEX Mr. Palamara is a published author and has two online books, to boot; Mr. Palamara was featured on the program "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" in 2003 on The History Channel and BBC (UK); Mr. Palamara contributed to a slew of books, most notably, as he notes above, two entire lengthy chapters in Prof. James Fetzer's 2000 tome "Murder In Dealey Plaza". In sum, Mr. Palamara is very well known, indeed: between the books, radio, television, journal articles, internet articles, etc., he has been seen and heard by literally millions. Dave Jenkins, a fan of the man, not his egoDavejz (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

DON'T DELETE Do the editors of Wikipedia even CHECK the sources??? Mr. Palamara is noted prominently in many third-party sources: books, radio programs, and the aforementioned tv program. Just go on Amazon or check the links. I know it takes work but the evidence is overwhelming. Dave Jenkins, a fan of the man, not his egoDavejz (talk) 21:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

ALSO At the risk of sounding like a shill for the man, do Vince Bugliosi (author of FOUR DAYS IN NOVEMBER), former Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden, and the late and esteemed Professor Philip Melanson (author of THE SECRET SERVICE) count as reliable third party sources? Because, if they do (and they do), they all quote from and endorse Mr. Palamara.Davejz (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC) — Davejz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Comment At the risk of pointing out the incredibly, painfully obvious, Davejz's only edits have been to Vince Palamara (removing the AfD template) and this AfD discussion. Movingboxes (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment I'd also note that Davejz made changes to the article that Vince himself was proposing to make. A coincidence, I'm sure. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 01:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

incorrect Baseball Player Jerry Reuss, more to followDavejz (talk) 22:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment That was done after I made my comment, so it was correct at the time it was made. Movingboxes (talk) 01:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Davejz, also note the template at the top of the page. Astroturfing doesn't work here. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 22:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

popularity of entry/ years online I guess I just cannot comprehend Wikipedia. If this entry was here for several years and had alot of internet traffic, why pull the plug now (throwing the baby out with the bathwater)? Mr. Palamara has it right above: short and sweet. Commence sarcastic editor comments now ;-) Davejz (talk) 22:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Amazon shows a book by Vince Palamara, The Third Alternative (spiral bound), dated to 1993, self-published and currently unavailable. (The book lacks an ISBN). That book has one single review by an Amazon customer, awarding it five stars. Curiously enough the favorable review is written by Vince Palamara. I join the editors above who argue that the case for notability has not been made. EdJohnston (talk) 02:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Weak delete. Disregarding the self-promotion, sources seem weak or unreliable. Stronger sources need to be cited (and listed in a more standard, readable format) as in the articles for James_H._Fetzer, Philip_Melanson, Vincent_Bugliosi (these articles are referenced in the Palamara article). As it stands I don't think notability has yet been established. As Gordonofcartoon says, "mentions-in-passing don't count much toward notability". Can any other (notable) sources be provided (eg. newspaper, magazine articles, reliable websites)? I'll have to see if I can find the History Channel footage, but I am unsure if that in itself would prove notability, just that the person in question was on TV. More sources? Mojowibble (talk) 16:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

do not delete Boy, you people need to brush up on your reference checking! I mean, the issue isn't whether Palamara has an ego (many people do), but the notability of his pedigree and so forth. Well, a very simple check of You Tube found his History Channel appearance [see The Men Who Killed Kennedy, Part 7, segement one: The Smoking Guns; Palamara is called a "Secret Service expert" with a label on the screen saying the same thing, to boot] and a Google books search found several notable books he is referenced in, including basically being a co-author of Fetzer's remarkable Murder In Dealey Plaza with his two chapters, as Fetzer was merely the editor, not to mention many other over-the-counter books he is prominently noted in, lioke the Final Report of the ARRB he mentioned before (also: a quick check of Amazon shows Palamara actually has TWO books, not one: the other is listed as JFK: The Medical Evidence Reference, while both of his current books are available as online e-books). Palamara is indeed in BOTH of Bugliosi's JFK works (in Four Days In November, he is listed as, and I quote, a "Secret Service expert") and, while he curiously is not in Agent Bolden's book, he is on Bolden's website in the "reviews" section (html, not a blog by Palamara). I have seen quite a number of Wikipedia entrees of dubious quality, authenticity, etc. Compared to those, Palamara, warts and all, comes out shining. I say keep the entry as it appears now and move on.Jessica120 (talk) 17:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Jessica120, could you reference these books you found on Google Books and Amazon in the article? It would better prove notability. Also the reference section on the article as it currently stands is very messy which makes proving notability harder for human beings to deal with. Mojowibble (talk) 17:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

'notability-and ego-proven My pleasure, Mojowibble :) ;-) Here they are: is a general Google link to many, but not all, of the books Palmara has either authored or appeared in. Is the official U.S. Government Report entitled Final Report of the Assassinations Records Review Board, a federal panel that existed from roughly 1994-1998 and charged, by Presidents Bush (the first, not ole W) and Clinton to uncover all the Kennedy facts and papers. is Murder In Dealey Plaza, including two complete chapters authored by Palamara (I saw this book at Borders, so it is over the counter!). Is "Brothers" by Salon.Com founder (and MSNBC guest-friend of Chris Matthews?) David Talbot, yet another major over the counter volume I saw at my local Borders Books. Is another over the counter book that I even own (!), "Ultimate Sacrifice"-Palmara is noted on at least 30 pages, maybe more (his Amazon.Com review here lists himself as a "proud contributor"). is Palamara's History Channel appearance, which was also a DVD-I saw it at Best Buy-I did my homework ;-) is a non-Palmara website based in the UK (meaning, he did not out it up himself! The man knows self promotion, as he goes on forever in search engines-wow!). is another non-Palamara website that appears to be run by anti-conspiracy advocate John McAdams. is a major non-Palamara website, JFK Lancer out of TX and CA' he has at least 3 articles online. Everyone knows who Vince Bugliosi is (world famous crime fighter and author)-well, not only is Palamara in both of his JFK books, he is called a "Secret Service expert" in Four Days In November and on Bugliosi's own website: . is a lengthy 1998 article on Palmara from the major newspaper of record in Pittsburgh, PA. Finally, is former Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden's official book website-Palamara is called a leading civilian authority on the Secret Service. Ego and self promotion aside, and the ill-chosen decision to edit his own entry (no doubt due to ego and self promotional concerns), his story indeed checks out. I say punish him by keeping the entry in it short form, as is, and BANNING ANYONE-INCLUDING HIM-FROM BEING ABLE TO UPDATE IT FURTHER. Good idea, huh? ;-)!Jessica120 (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

editing complete-no need to delete ;-) I fixed his entry. It is now a nice, no frills entry. His musical career is not notable, so I didn't mention it LOL ;-)Jessica120 (talk) 18:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Two of the claims that Palamara is an expert - the Bugliosi book and "Echo from Dealey Plaza" - are actually on the dust jacket. Not the book. I doubt those count as primary sources. The only book I saw that referenced him as an expert is "The Great Zapruder Film Hoax." While he is occasionally referenced, it is briefly. Last, I find it strange that two new Wikipedia members are involved in this discussion, editing the article in the same way that Palamara earlier suggested, citing lists of the same references, and only contributing to Vince Palamara and the AfD. (Ok, User:Davejz did make a small edit to another page, but that hardly counts.) I'd also note that User:Jessica120 made an edit to this article using "her" raw IP address, 216.183.185.133, which nslookup indicates comes from the Mount Lebanon, Pennsylvania library. This city is a suburb in the south of Pittsburg, which - oddly enough - happens to be near where Mr. Palamara lives, according to his [MySpace page.] (Bethel Park, Pennsylvania is a mere 5 miles away.) This is almost certainly a sockpuppet. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 03:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

FYI, I have opened up a sock puppet case on vincebethel: Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Vincebethel Mr. Vernon (talk) 04:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - per non notable, COI, and obvious self promotion attempt from the socks above. Writing two books non published books and being mentioned on TV a few times is not grounds for being notable. --MattWT 12:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

newsflash: I no longer care: I command you to do my bidding -delete this entry pronto There are, quite frankly, much (much!) better online encyclopedias nowadays(and I have a mountain of information online already: can you say redundant LOL). I had a nice 8+ year run on Wikipedia; it served its purposes...but it got old. So, I give you my permission---in fact, I COMMAND YOU: deleting my entry is tantamount to respecting my wishes and acknowledging my genius (to leave it up serves the opposite purpose LOL)---to delete my entry pronto. You editors need to get a life big time: you guys crack me up! :)Vincebethel (talk) 19:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

As you aren't the only contributer to the article, it isn't your choice. The article will most probably be deleted after this AfD due to its notability issues, so don't worry. In future, whatever online encyclopedia (and i'd like to see you find a better one than Wikipedia) you go to, try and act a little more mature and cut the insults. Thanks for your contributions and I hope you stick around. --MattWT 05:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Sandie Caine

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No reliable sources, and doesn't pass the criteria at WP:PORNBIO. Epbr123 (talk) 20:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom.--S_RX 20:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. Tabercil (talk) 20:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Delete - She has one BGAFD award but those awards aren't exactly well known. We seem to value the FAME Awards which is also fan voted but that has coverage from adult press like AVN and XBIZ. I'm hedging on this but it's hard to find reliable sources on her other than relying on her website (which unfortunately doesn't provide a biography). I'll keep looking. Morbidthoughts (talk) 21:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Doesn't pass WP:PORNBIO JoshuaD1991 (talk) 22:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Steve Burke

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Prod removed so procedural AFD. However, not sure how this chap meets WP:BIO. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Wikipedia is not Monster.com.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy delete I see no assertion of notability. Speedy per A7, possibly advertising too Computerjoe's talk 22:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete No evidence of notability. --Dweller (talk) 08:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete he fails the notability criteria, has not been covered in reliable 3rd party sources, and Wiki is NOT a number of things (Webhost, CV site, etc). Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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Shane Keister

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In a search for this artist's name, I've found nothing but directory listings. He may be prolific, but for the most part he seems to fail WP:V. We know that he played on a bazillion albums, but that's all we know. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 14:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep and clean up. According to this article here, Shane Keister has been nominated for a Grammy, won three Dove Awards, won two Cleo awards, and won an Emmy. He has been a part of many Grammy nominated albums including Steven Curtis Chapman's Signs of Life and Five For Fighting's American Town. He has been a part of Grammy winning albums like Steven Curtis Chapman's Speechless and he co-worte songs for and played on the Grammy winning album Age to Age by Amy Grant. The article needs a lot of work, but he is certainly notable.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Antmusic (talk • contribs) 18:35, 17 August 2008

• Keep - firstly, the article is in horrible shape. The huge block of name-dropping certinaly needs to go. However, a search of Google News would seem in to indicate that there might be some notability and tagging for references would be appropriate -- Whpq (talk) 16:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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• I've removed that long list of musicians and replaced it with a cited note that he has worked with such people as Billy Joel and Elvis Presley. I also added a reference to one of his GMA Dove Awards. As Whpq noted, other references are available as well. It does appear that he has had enough third-party coverage to justify a keep. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• I'd expect you would have to look long and hard for "written evidence" of some of the information included here and simply wouldn't find any. I went to high school with Shane, sang in the choir he accompanied under Phil Varney and played in one of the "competing" bands in the area, but it may be that it isn't much help unless someone writes it all down somewhere and publishes it. Some of the additions I made come from first-hand knowledge and appear to have been removed by individuals who probably were trying to "make the article fit standards", even though they may not know Shane at all or didn't know him during the period I did. Of course, this leads back to the issue of whether or not the information can be verified. I can do that, but I suspect it's not the kind of citation that might be necessary. I think it's clear that Shane deserves a place in musical history for the many things he has accomplished and I'd hate to see the article removed in light of all this. In sum: Clean up: yes; remove: no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.108.15.59 (talk) 02:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Jorge Queirolo B.

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Jorge Queirolo Bravo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Was tagged for CSD per Wikipedia:ANI#Article_Jorge_Queirolo_B.. I declined to speedy because the article appears sourced and author meets minimal notability requirements with two books in a national library, see Fiebre amarilla en Zanzíbar in Chile's National Library, and Cambodia in same. That was before I saw the WP:AN/I reference. I'd feel better if we had more discussion before deciding one way or the other. I did not find any Google News or Google Scholar references. Nothing helpful on Galenet. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 21:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Dlohcierekim 21:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Very Strong Keep, I looked on Amazon.com and two of his books are listed there. He is obviously notable in my book. Callelinea (talk) 04:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete Please take a look here for the full rationale. This article has been created against COI policies and is a cross wiki placed vanity article. --Herby ^{talk thyme} 06:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Clear vanity spam to several wikipedia projects. Mayalld (talk) 06:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete. Multi project vanity spam. His sole publishing company Ediciones Altovolta is owned by Queirolo himself. --jergen (talk) 07:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per m:Multilingual_speedy_deletions#Jorge_Queiolo_Bravo_and_related_articles. —Giggy 08:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per ANI, Jergen and Giggy. --Enric Naval (talk) 11:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Confimation that he is the owner of the editorial publishing his works: on the blog for ediciones altovolta he is the only poster, a web publishing a short history of him claims he is the owner of the editorial , on this web he is listed as the contact for the editorial . --Enric Naval (talk) 11:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment Being listed on Amazon does not convey notability. Having two books in a national library is a minimum requirement. Forgot to check for an ISBN number-- that's another. Having books in a national library is not sufficient. My reasons for bringing it here instead of Speedying the article are my lack of resources for researching Spanish language authors, my reluctance to delete unless I am certain, and the long-standing nature of the article. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 14:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Enric. The most I could get on the one link was that it said "Contemporary Authors" in Spanish, which sounded like the "Contemporary Authors" publication I use to resource articles about English language authors. Dlohcierekim 14:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

In terms of es support I would expect Kved to be along at some stage (he was the one who alerted me to the issue). As an es admin he should be able to give a valid view. Thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 14:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

The ANI above notes it was deleted from es:. Perhaps their COI restrictions are stronger than ours, but I can't find the reasons for the deletion over there. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Looking at es:Usuario_Discusión:Jorge_Queirolo_Bravo#Sobre_tu_articulo, it was speedied by an admin because: a) a AfD on 2007 had closed as delete and b) a discussion between several admins determined that the article was self-promotion (WP:COI) and not relevant enough to stay on the wikipedia. Additionally, a checkuser determined that most of the IPs creating the article were from the same ISP as the subject. Also, link to deletion log and link to the 2007 AfD , which was cut short by an admin who speedied for self-promotion two days after it was opened. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

If a subject is notable and the tone is neutral, the motivations of the article creator are really irrelevant. The question in my mind is whether or not the subject meets WP:BIO on the English Wikipedia. I have seen nothing that demonstrates that he does, but I cannot read Spanish. Placing the article on multi Wikipedias is concerning if the intent was to promote his work. However, judging by his WorldCat results here and in my nomination statement, I would say such an effort has been unsuccessful.] Cheers, Dlohcierekim 15:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Very strong Delete, as said above, Ediciones Altovolta is in fact owned by Jorge Queirolo Bravo. The first time the article es:Jorge Queirolo Bravo was created in es.wiki was by the user es:Usuario:Altovolta: He said that he was Jorge Queirolo Bravo and he was the owner of Ediciones Altovolta. Second, searching the National Library of Chile we found a couple of articles written by Jorge Queirolo Bravo and only 3 of them available to public ("Antología cultural : recopilacion de artículos y ensayos periodísticos sobre temas culturales, literarios y artísticos", "Cuentos indecentes" and "Pasándola bien"). All of them, published by Ediciones Altovolta. Google throws up references about Jorge Queirolo Bravo, but mainly blogs and opinion articles in literary web pages, curiously all of them signed by him. The deleted article in es.wiki was a flagrant violation to neutral point of view policies, and please let me quote you from es:Jorge Queirolo Bravo:

El oficio de escribir llevó a Jorge Queirolo a autoeditar sus propios libros, ante las múltiples dificultades que tuvo con las casas editoriales establecidas en Chile, las que prácticamente le imposibilitaron la publicación de su obra cuando todavía era relativamente anónimo. [...] De a poco se convirtió en un renombrado editor, creando su propia empresa especializada en el tema, conocida con el nombre de Ediciones Altovolta, la que ha crecido hasta ser una de las más grandes de Chile. A Queirolo se le considera un editor de primera clase y muy profesional en todo sentido.

Which in a fast and rough translation approximately means:

The writing business took Jorge Queirolo to self-publish his own books, because of the multiple difficulties he had to deal with the publishing houses in Chile, which practically make him impossible to publish his work when he was still anonymous. [...] Slowly he became a well known editor, ^{[citation needed]} creating his own publishing house known by the name of Ediciones Altovolta, who grown into one of the biggest in Chile.^{[citation needed]} Queirolo is known as a first class editor and a professional in all sense.^{[citation needed]}

Between other paragraphs in which he ennoble his writings and books and grumble about the publishing houses in Chile and how they despise his work. To me, it's a clear case of self promotion and cross-wiki spamming and should be speedy deleted from all involved wikis per WP:V, WP:POV, WP:COI and WP:SPAM. Hope this helps, and I will be around if any other es.wiki POV is needed. :D Cheers, KveD (talk) 18:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, per KveD's analysis and m:Multilingual_speedy_deletions#Jorge_Queiolo_Bravo_and_related_articles. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Strong delete In the strongest possible terms, per all the above. Delete without delay per WP:SNOW and then SALT. ukexpat (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete should discourage absolutely this kind of multilanguage spam --Sailko (talk) 13:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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Jeff Atwood

Jeff Atwood (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable blogger who has a podcast; no published works and not well known within his field. Article provides little or no relevant biographical information and contains no real encyclopaedic content, nor any reasonable assertion of notability. IngeniousCritic (talk) 04:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Strong delete. Fails to back up the assertion of notability with reliable sources. While notability is asserted, it isn't really proven out: no awards for the blog, no recognitions, etc. —C.Fred (talk) 04:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: fails WP:Bio. Toddst1 (talk) 04:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as the article doesn't mention why the subject is notable. Fails WP:BIO. -- JediLofty ^User_Talk 07:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete, fails WP:N. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete fails notability requirements. Nuttah (talk) 17:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete - sources fail to establish notability, and there would be nowhere useful to redirect. --Explodicle (T/C) 19:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep He is actually an author for the technical book: ASP.NET 2.0 Anthology and he has also been a keynote speaker at the 2008 CUSEC conference. His blog is quite popular and I think that with some time, the article has potential. Althena (talk) 07:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

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Sofia Mendez

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Non-notable actress. Google search lists social networking as top finds, and one hit on anime.com for voicework. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 14:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete: Non-notable actress. Schuym1 (talk) 17:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: NN actress with a trivial IMDb entry ... fails WP:ENTERTAINER ... also note: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/12 Minutes to Heaven ... Happy Editing! — 72.75.91.179 (talk · contribs) _{20:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)}
  • Comment Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evan Davis (actor). — 72.75.91.179 (talk) 11:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, as non-notable.--Boffob (talk) 05:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NN, although she's pretty hot. Evidence of sock and meat activity in the revision history. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as failing WP:BIO. I agree with Scjessey, though; she's a pretty girl. Prettiness != notability, however. -- JediLofty ^User_Talk 16:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per related discussions HERE Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable OR, written by meatpuppets. Erik the Red 2 (AVE·CAESAR) 19:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Delete Article asserts she is best known for a film that has not been released yet, which seems an excellent example of non-notability. Edward321 (talk) 14:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete "best known for (a movie that hasn't finished filming yet)" says it all to me. From a policy/guideline perspective we're talking failure to meet both notability and verifiability criteria. Jasynnash2 (talk) 12:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Paul Karason

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Procedural nom for an IP. Contested prod, rationale for deletion was:

Media coverage seems to be nothing to do with the subject, and everything to do with turning blue - little more than another "man bites dog" story (WP:NOT#NEWS). That the article is verifiable does not by necessity mean that this person is notable. We're not short of an article on people turning blue, and the sources would suggest that historically this was not uncommon (albeit not to this degree). This article does not contribute to "the sum of human knowledge". Closedmouth (talk) 13:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Neutral as nominator, my nomination should not be taken as a vote for deletion. --Closedmouth (talk) 13:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Merge & Redirect to Argyria#Reports in humans. He is already mentioned there, as well as several sources including. Adding the additional sourced material should be fine. Turlo Lomon (talk) 14:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Merge and redirect per Turlo Lomon. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Anyone can do an editorial merge. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Merge. No scope for a personal article. JFW | T@lk 19:28, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect per Turlo Lomon. When the article is about the condition, write about the condition, not the person. Stifle (talk) 19:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete His disease is notable (and already has an entry) but he is not. He's just a by-stander to a notable condition, but otherwise is not involved with it. 216.121.230.246 (talk) 22:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Although, in this condition, I would vote for a merge/redirect, I think it actually has a bit of potential for information about the person himself. As for the discussion seeking deletion because the article focuses mostly on his affliction, how often do we delete actors articles for talking too much about filmography... wouldn't that belong on the movie page? Mroduner (talk) 06:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Rajvee

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No Notable references. Request delete. Youtube video and program schedule are hardly what could be called references. ChiragPatnaik (talk) 18:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. Stifle (talk) 19:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 05:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Per nom, no significant coverage in reliable sources. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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David Hecht

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Non-notable game designer with no awards and not much in the way of sources. Clarityfiend (talk) 15:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Redirect to List of 18XX games. As designer of several games of this series, this seems to be an appropriate redirect target. Regretfully, I can't seem to locate any online sources (which, of course, need not cover everything). --Craw-daddy | T | 11:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of 18XX games - trivial coverage. PhilKnight (talk) 16:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Arthur M. Dula

Arthur M. Dula (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Procedural nomination. Prod'ed by IP editor, but I think intent was to nominate for Afd. Reason for Prod was "Does not meet criteria for notability." Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 06:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep as subject is the focus of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources (like this one ) and is now properly cited with inline references. - Dravecky (talk) 06:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wizardman 05:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep looks like a good addition to Wikipedia to me, well-sourced and notable.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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Brooke Fraser

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The subject of the article has requested deletion citing real world problems arising from repeated errors in the article. The subject appears to be only marginally notable so courtesy deletion after an AFD is within guidelines. Spartaz ^Humbug! 05:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Strong keep. Brooke Fraser is huge in New Zealand, as evidenced by almost 400 000 Ghits. Many subjects would prefer that their Wikipedia article did not exist, however, provided the article passes notability guidelines, it should remain in the article space. Ms Fraser or her representatives are welcome to make referenced updates to the article if they wish. Particular concerns should be addressed through WP:BLP, not deletion. WWGB (talk) 09:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep, you are kidding me people. A reminder to the nominators you are actually meant to do a search before nominating an article for AfD. Two #1 NZ albums, #29 in the Aussie charts, and #90 on billboard, and that's from just reading the article.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 09:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

  Just to point out that Spartaz was nominating this article at the request of the subject. Stifle (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

  I was aware of that from the intro, but the claims should still have been checked. The fact that the Nom says the "subject appears to be only marginally notable" comes across as that they've not even taken 30 sec to look at the article. IMHO.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 00:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep as per major star above. Looking at this history I can only see a couple of edits obviously done my her mngt and that was several months ago. Article doesn't appear to have problem content. - SimonLyall (talk) 19:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per WWGB. Stifle (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep - Too well-known to be deleted upon subject's request. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 17:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• keep. Keep! Sorry about the real world errors. We can think about notability, but we can't stop people from being dicks. plan 8 (talk) 23:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep. If there are problems they need fixing (and Wikipedia makes this ridiculously harder than hard for a biographic subject, so I sympathise), but the subject is clearly notable. Webmink (talk) 13:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• keep one of the most notable individuals to request deletion as far as I'm aware. We should of course work with Fraser to fix any serious problems in the article. However, this is by no means an article we can reasonably remove. JoshuaZ (talk) 16:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

*Delete: The article does not contain one URL or link to independent commentary which demonstrates her notability. If she is notable, there must be some commentary out there. Why is it not in the article? No wonder there are currently errors in the article. At the moment, the article is mostly unreferenced babble taken from fan websites. I will change my stance if some online references to independent commentary are placed in the article. Delete the article now. Bring it back another day if it is rewritten from factual sources. --Lester 21:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Have added ref from New Zealand Herald which confirms her US chart success, clearly satisfying WP:MUSIC. Murtoa (talk) 22:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. When I was in New Zeland she was bigger than L&P. --Roisterer (talk) 22:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

::Comment: So now there is a reference for the charts. But still no reliable online reference for the commentary. If she's "bigger than L&P", that's even more reason to expect some minimum standards with the article, and more reason to expect reliable sources for the commentary. As the subject complained about the factuality of the article, plus the inclusion of only unreliable references for that commentary, the article should be swiftly deleted, to be returned at a later date if someone puts the work into finding reliable references.--Lester 03:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment: Per WP:ATD, if a page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion. To this end, I have added a clean-up tag. However, this article's subject meets a relevant notability guideline viz. WP:MUSIC and I don't think it breaches WP:BLP - therefore I don't believe there is a basis for deletion. Murtoa (talk) 07:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I withdraw my previous comments, due to added material.--Lester 09:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• Question - how does one access the subject's request to prove that it actually exists? JRG (talk) 10:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Paul Green (UK musician)

Paul Green (UK musician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

OK, I could be well wrong here. He does seem to be a guitarist of some web presence, and he does seem to have played with Suzi Quatro, which /might/ make him notable. However, aside from a lot of self promotion and the odd mention here and there as a bit-player, I can't find any real independent sources for this. Troikoalogo (talk) 23:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Without coverage in reliable sources session musicians are not really notable. --neon white talk 01:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Delete - the guy has obviously been around the music scene for years. However, being a session musician is not sufficient. There is is no significant coverage of him nor awards. A somewhat reluctant delete but a delete nonetheless. Smile a While (talk) 23:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Tyler Faith

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Non notable porn actress, has done nothing notable, doesn't appear to have won any significant awards, or started any new 'trends' JoshuaD1991 (talk) 13:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, doesn't appear to meet WP:PORNBIO. Stifle (talk) 19:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Delete She hasn't won any awards that I can find. Keep at it, tho! --Advocate (talk) 00:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep She's had a high amount of coverage at AVN.com. This could be developed into quite a good article. Epbr123 (talk) 23:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Epbr123 has improved the article enough to show her notability, close but I think she makes it. I recommend making it a stub. Good work!--Advocate (talk) 08:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - per above. --THFFF (talk) 08:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

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Frank Andoh

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Does not assert notability for this footballer. Punkmorten (talk) 08:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, meets WP:ATHLETE as he plays at the highest level of football in Ghana. This is confirmed here. This article also confirms that he plays for Ghana's under-23 national team. 96T (talk) 14:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Who said the Ghanese league was fully professional? Punkmorten (talk) 20:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep this person definitely meets WP:ATHLETE. Tavix (talk) 19:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep; meets WP:ATHLETE as he plays at Ghana's highest level of football; it doesn't matter whether it's professional, as it's the highest amateur level. Bart133 ^{t c @ How's my driving?} 21:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Amateur clause doesn't apply to professional sports like soccer, it applies to mainly amateur sports such as rowing and canoeing. Punkmorten (talk) 08:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)