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Manhattan clam chowder Chicken noodle Cream of vegetable Onion Green pea Scotch broth Vegetable Split pea with ham
Vegetable beef Bean with rice Cheddar cheese Tomato rice Beef with vegetables and barley Cream of asparagus Cream of celery Black bean
Turkey noodle Beef broth Chicken gumbo Turkey vegetable Chili beef Vegetable bean Cream of chicken Cream of mushroom
Pepper pot Chicken with rice Consommé Tomato Minestrone Chicken vegetable Beef noodle Vegetarian vegetable

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  • Assist (association football), [1] g+a is contribution or involvement, cf point (ice hockey). Also [2] edit lede to avoid "contribution", also [3] to specify not final touch. [4] Does player fouled off the ball leading to penalty get assist? [5] any "own assist"? Likely some record "mistake leading to goal" as separate stat.
  • Great Seal of the Irish Free State
    • 1919 Dáil patrix matrix "Séala Saorstát Éireann / Sigllum Republicae Hibernicae" "H Frederick St"
    • 1922 Prov Govt "Seala Rialtas Séaladaid na hÉireann" "Rooney, 8 College St., Dublin"
    • 1925 seal steel matrix, copper patrix.[2] Seal of Ex Council[3] and Pres Ex Co HH:1939.165b derived from this.
    • UKGovt promised new UK seal consequent on Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act 1927.[4]
    • Satow & Ritchie A guide to diplomatic practice (1932) p. 20 "The mode of appointment of His Majesty's Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs is by the delivery to him by the sovereign of the seals of office. There are three seals, the signet, a lesser seal, and a small seal called the cachet; all these are engraved with the Royal arms, but the signet alone has the supporters. In the Foreign Office, diplomatic and consular commissions signed by the sovereign pass under the signet; the lesser seal is used for royal warrants (such as instruments authorising the affixing of the Great Seal to full powers and to ratifications of treaties); the cachet is used to seal the envelopes of letters containing communications of a personal character made by the King to foreign sovereigns." — I guess the UK signet has 2 sides, obs throned majesty and rev arms with supporters, whereas IFS signet has obs throned majesty and rev harp. Then maybe IFS fob seal corresponds to UK lesser seal, and cachet would be unused in IFS. But Satow uses don't really correspond to DIFP 1937 No. 97. The 4th ed. (1957, by Bland) slightly different: Nope, fob seal design corresponds to cachet per 1937 RMint rpt, so use difference is more greater vs lesser signet.
      • p. 22 s. 27 The mode of appointment of Her Majesty’s Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs is by the delivery to him by the sovereign of the seals of office. There are three seals, viz. a greater and a lesser signet and a small seal called the cachet; all these are engraved with the Royal Arms. The two former now differ only in point of size. In the Foreign Office, diplomatic and consular commissions signed by the sovereign pass under the greater signet; the lesser is used in the case of royal exequaturs granted to foreign consular officers, and for royal warrants (such as instruments authorising the affixing of the Great Seal to full powers and to ratifications of treaties); the cachet is used to seal the envelopes of letters containing communications of a personal character made by the Queen to foreign sovereigns.
      • p. 396 s. 706 Most formal documents signed by the Sovereign, whether countersigned by a Minister or not, bear a Seal, which may be either the Great Seal of the Realm, which is in the custody of the Lord Chancellor, or the Signet, which is the Seal entrusted to United Kingdom Secretaries of State. In 1931 King George V approved a proposal by the Irish Free State Government that a new Great Seal of the Irish Free State and a new Signet should be instituted for sealing Royal documents relating solely to the Free State. In 1934 legislation was passed by the Parliament of the Union of South Africa instituting a Royal Great Seal of the Union and a Royal Signet. In 1939 Canada passed legislation providing that documents which would normally be sealed with the Great Seal of the Realm or the Signet might be sealed with the Great Seal of Canada, i.e., the Seal in the custody of the GovernorGeneral which is used for sealing documents signed by him
    • I am beginning to doubt whether greater signet is two-sided; RMint 1902 p.60 talks of "Greater Seal" and "lesser seal" for secretaries of state, made with new king's style, but not till 1904 was Great Seal of the UK made. So the UK Foreign Secretary did not have a seal[=signet] with the king's likeness, just the title and the arms guess. OTOH Exchequer seal of 1939 replaced 1904 model (1939 Rpt p. 12); was that double-sided? yes; was figure used? yes, obverse reproduced that of Great Seal (though reverse was just arms).
    • NAI TSCH/3/S3255 Oireachtas: dissolution and proclamation of General Election, 1923 under GG private seal per Dáil proceedings
    • Edward Gibson, 1st Baron Ashbourne left old (1890) Irish seal in will.[5]
    • doi:10.1080/03086534.2020.1783116 pp. 15-17: 1929 attempt to sneak internal seal onto Kellogg–Briand Pact ratification fouled by slip from diplomat to CO official
    • Cecil Thomas Autobiography pp. 53-54 "I engraved the Great Seal of the Irish Free State, designed by a Dublin Museum official who put together a couple of photographs – one – that of the ancient harp – the other the detail decoration on the Ardagh Chalice, forming a border to surround the harp; and the Irish inscriptions outside that. It wasn’t much of a design, but as it relied on sharp definition for its interest, I decided to engrave it by hand which meant hammer and chisel work for it was very bold. I think it must be the last Great Seal in these Islands to be cut by hand. It makes a good impression but is artistically dull, as most rehashes in design"
    • Royal Mint 1931-11-16 "Great Seal of the Irish Free State. The Chairman reported that a new double-sided Great Seal for wax impressions was required for the use of the Government of the Irish Free State. The Seal itself was to bear the design of the Great Seal of the Realm (with one minor modification), but the Counterseal was to be of new design. A model for the Counterseal had been prepared by Mr. Metcalfe. Gutta percha impressions (unfinished) were examined by the Committee. The general feeling was that the treatment was coarse, especially when compared with the wafer seal executed some time ago by Mr. Cecil Thomas, impressions of which were also before the Committee. The Chairman stated that Mr. Cecil Thomas' seal would continue to be used for certain purposes."
    • Royal Mint Annual Report 1937 Volume No.68 p7 "A new series of seals was put in hand for the Government of Éire" [p/ 41] "Following the new Constitution for Éire, that Government decided to change the titles on the Ministerial and other official seals from SAORSTÁT ÉIREANN to ÉIRE and to discontinue the use of bi-lingual names on the seals. The general designs remained unchanged and seals for the President, Prime Minister, the Government (formerly Executive Council) and Minister for External Affairs were engraved and despatched to Éire. In the case of the seal for the President, which is five inches in diameter and requires a special press, the fitting up of the seal in the press was done in the Mint, but all the other seals were fitted to their presses by the staff of the Stamping Department, Dublin Castle." 1938 Volume No.69 p. 46 "A large order of over 80 Court of Justice and other seals with Gaelic inscription, to replace the existing seals with bi-lingual inscriptions, was placed by the Government of Éire, but only five of these were completed by the end of the year." p. 49 'A number of cheque dies were returned from Éire, and the existing Irish Free State monogram "SE" in the design was replaced by "E."' 1939 p. 32 "A further 26 seals with Gaelic inscription for the Government of Éire were despatched during the year." [1940 p. 51] "15 Circuit Court Seals, 10 Land Registry Seals and 3 Probate Registry Seals were supplied to the Government of Éire during the year." [1941 p. 125] "Three Seals were made for the High Commissioners of Éire in London, Ottawa and Lisbon, respectively, and twelve for Land Registries of Éire." [1942 p. 138] "Three new seals were made for the Department of External Affairs, Éire. The first, for the High Commissioner's Office in London was fitted to a hand lever press and issued ready for use. The second and third for use in Lisbon and Ottawa were sent to Éire with counterparts to be fitted to existing presses. A further twelve seals for Éire local Land Registries were completed and issued with counterparts and No. 4 hand lever presses for final fitting in Éire. The seals were struck from the standard punch prepared for this series and the County inscriptions were added by hand engraving." [1943 p. 145] "Six Seals for Land Registries and Probate Registries of Éire completed the series of non-ministerial Seals required by that change of name." [1944 p. 175] "A double sided seal was made for the Éire Genealogical Office."
    • Pictured 1930 UK seal is one 1931 IFS modelled on.
    • "The Commission appointing the said Donal Buckley, Esquire, is attached hereto for His Majesty's signature. The Signet Seal to be used will be that approved by His Majesty for use in the Irish Free State."[6] commission was "passed under the Royal Sign Manual and Signet"[7] — is this the same as the "IFS signet seal" used on exequaturs and diplomatic commissions? In which case, I guess the IFS signet seal was in the custody of the King in Britain, and used on documents authorising GG to use the Great Seal. Where was the fob seal kept?
    • NLI MS 49,709/1-9 Headed paper and seal of the Governor General (Seanascal) of the Irish Free State, "The wax seal has 'Saorstát Éireann' above a harp and 'Irish Free State' below, 'Seanascal' at one side and 'Governor General' at the other" — my guess is that this is the "GG's private seal"
    • I suggest saying ...
      change of both sides of external seal was discussed in 1937,[ref DIFP] due to new king and change of name of state. While other SÉ seals were replaced,[ref RMint reports 1937+] the RMint reports have no record of a new version of either side of the external Great Seal.[ref RMint reports 1937-49, though not necessarily the same page numbers as previous ref], though it does record making the new Presidential Seal.[ref RMint report 1937/8?]
      • refs as follows: N=mentions SÉ to Éire change; L=lists Éire seals; C=only count of Éire seals
      • 1937 p. 41 LN 4 "Pres, PM, Govt, Min Ext Aff" (large size of Pres mentioned; not so Ext Aff, described as fitted into a press, hence not the 2-sided Great Seal)
      • 1938 p. 22 L 5
      • 1939 p. 13 L 18+ & p. 32 C 26 — p. 13 L incl (a) "Dept Ext Affairs" (whereas 1937 incl "Min Ext Affairs"; may be for an embassy) cf. 1942 (b) "Circuit Court A–L" no count, but p. 32 total 26 → 9 CC
      • 1940 p. 51 L 28
      • 1941 p. 84 0 ditto p. 99
      • 1942 p. 138 L 15
      • 1943 p. 164 LN 6 "completed 80 non-ministerial Seals req by chg of name
      • 1944 p. 175 L 1 Genealog Off double-sided
      • 1945 p. 17 1 Ballina replaced
      • 1946 p. 10 1 DIAS
      • 1947 p. 9 4 Mins Health, Soc Welf, Loc Govt [dept names had changed]; and handseal Geneal Off
      • 1948 pp. 24–5 0
      • 1949 p. 16 1 Legation Stockholm
    • Well when were the other ministerial seals done? Taoisaech and Ext Aff in 1937, but next 80 (1938–44)were "non-ministerial". 1956 min gael "usual" pattern
  • Great Seal of Ireland same item better photos
  • 1476 Edw IV both sides, odd arms, "INSPEXIMUS of a record enrolled in rolls of the common bench of Ireland"
  • 1487 1487 "edw VI" Lambert Simnel booth sides looks good
  • 1502 Hen VII, both sides
  • 1527 Hen VIII, both sides looks good "Irish letters patent attested by the chief justice of the common bench"
  • 1911 Geo V, Mint Rpt plates D and E of GSU and text "The Counter Seal of Ireland is distinguished from that of the United Kingdom by the representation of a Harp in substitution for the Trident above the lanterns"

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  • Marathon world record progression -- relabel "Notes" to "Notes and references" and move ref from "Source"; sep "Source" into "IAAF" [wr/br/pre-wb/n] and "ARRS" [y/n] cols; rm sep halign for ARRS-only in "Time" col; add color for ARRS+IaafRetro; rm 'Note.' in "Notes" col and rm "Marathonguide.com" or add to IAFF/ARRS refs, or add extra info if ref adds; make sortable; add (n) after name for multi-records tho if not all have same IAAF/ARRS status may complicate.
  • Drummully
  • Tico Tico dabs and hatnotes and hyphens
  • Maxine avoid duplication of names from dab and name pages
  • A gas van was a box truck converted into a mobile gas chamber. When its engine was running, the exhaust gas was diverted into the sealed cargo area so that those locked inside would die by carbon monoxide poisoning.
  • FK Bohemians Prague (Střížkov) and Bohemians 1905 --- replace {{seealso}} in "Name dispute" sections and use contemporary name, not 1905.
  • Module:Sports table -- replacement for status-text; Q and E are OK [well "qualified for phase indicated" is hmmm] but e.g. WXYZ in UCL 2024-5 is blah; better to list which of ranking tiers are still possible for it. Really the format for in-progress and completed are distinct; the "possible qualification" should, rather than a status note in the Team column, be an extra column [for in-progress] beside the "Qualification or Relegation" column [maybe the pair of columns should be renamed "ranking tier", with each respectively "possible" and "current"; so Q S U and E for UCL tiers 1 to 4.]
  • Non-Sinoxenic pronunciations lede is buried
  • University Scholars should be dab not redirect
  • Vocational panel#cite_note-44 - replacement for Ruth Coppinger not coopted to Fingal County Council in time for 2025 elections // update Register of Nominating Bodies statistics
  • Anti Austerity Alliance -- row in 2015 where Socialist Party (Ireland) Councillor replacement coopted by SP colleague rather than non SP alliance member.
  • rte.ie 2025/02/05/ speed-limit-reduction/
  • co-options to fill casual vacancies in county councils
    • Local Government Act 2001 [as amended] s.19(3) "Casual vacancies" if at time of election/nomination the outgoing was party, co-optee to be same party; if nonparty, per standing orders (which vary by council).
    • O'Doherty -v- Attorney General, Limerick Co Co and Fianna Fáil [2009] IEHC 516 said should be by-election, as co-option undemocratic; judge says "It seems to me that even this very brief overview of international practice refutes the suggestion that democratic norms mandate holding by-elections in all circumstances. On the contrary, it shows that the practice followed varies widely from situation to situation."
      • Obiter dicta contrasts: "Article 16.7 does not envisage that [Dáil] vacancies can be filled by any method other than election"
    • Shiels -v- Donegal County Council & Michael McBride [2012] IEHC 417 vacant was elected as independent but resigned as Labour; standing orders said [unless outgoing left shortlist] co-optee (McBride) should be independent; Shiels argued he was actually Labour; judge decided evidence suggested he was independent. "That case ([2009] IEHC 516) was relied on by counsel on behalf of Mr. Shiels to argue that the provisions of Standing Order 84(b) placed a duty on the respondent to ensure that the political balance as expressed through the vote of the electorate was maintained and to emphasise the importance of ensuring that where a casual vacancy arose in the context of a non-party candidate, that a non-party candidate had to be coopted in place of the candidate whose seat required to be filled. I do not disagree with that proposition."
    • IT 2016-04-14 "Co-option of replacement for AAA-PBP’s TD Mick Barry not covered by existing Act" 'the AAA-PBP does not have nomination rights as Mr Barry was elected on an AAA ticket' 'A different section of the Local Government 2001 Act, Section 19.3 B applies in the case of non-party candidates where the seat is filled according to the council's standing orders which, in the case of Cork City Council, is the next placed candidate in the poll - in this case Labour's Catherine Clancy.'
      • IT 2016-04-26 CoCiCo asked SC for advice; said could ask HC but costly and slow; "Co-opting Ms Ryan was the option of least risk and the course of action most consistent with the council’s obligations under Section 19 of the Local Government Act, observed the senior counsel in advice which was discussed by councillors in committee."
  • University senators sometimes decline to take party whip Anthony Staines FG 2016 TCD; Ivana Bacik Labour TCD 2007 "Although a member of the Labour Party, she has insisted she will not take the party whip in the Seanad in order to maintain the traditional independence of Trinity senators." After summer 2009 recess moved to Labour group.[8]
  • merge all of Marianne Woods, Jane Pirie, Jane Cumming -- same 1810 incident
  • Lime (material) ce lede, hatnotes
  • Henry Cavendish (politician) incomplete dab; cite for Mary Queen of Scots rumour

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  • Knock down ginger sort by language before region; group similar forms together; better references for names and regions.
    • Loads of GB names in Opie, Iona Archibald; Opie, Peter (1987) [1959]. The lore and language of schoolchildren. Oxford University Press. pp. 378–382. ISBN 978-0-19-282059-4.
    • YouGov 2025 poll “knock down ginger” 25% older higher, “knock a door run” 21%, “knock and run” 13%, “ding dong ditch” 6% younger higher.
    • ourdialects.uk map survey
    • Lucy Caldwell theguardian 2019/jun/08 "Belfast was a game you played on summer evenings: ring the bell and run away, fast." (also Lucy Caldwell Where They Were Missed (2006) p221; Dan Finn Likely Story (2016) p92)
    • "runaway knock" oldest name? Dickens, Kipling, etc; paintings etc. Now only Cork? Rob Heffernan
    • 19C evidence that 1839 act clamped down in London
    • US names, Opie-like academic sources? Four names in 1987 source.[10]
    • "ding dong ditch"
    • One book says knocking was 19C snobbier than ringing the bell
    • Was "n—r knocking" a corruption of "knick-knocking"? Maybe racist violence (as per Louis Armstrong Harpers 1967 Nov p 67, Janis Joplin et al) was the original sense, and the extension to ding-dong-dash was a conflation and/or bad joke (1987[10] is earliest source I have found for latter sense). See louisarmstronghouse blogpost "I wasn’t able to pinpoint the transformation of the term"
    • Google "pulling or ringing any door bell" finds more acts than 1839 and 1847 already mentioned: including
    • case law
      • 1841 false imprisonment by Booth's Gin employees of David Home for ringing their bell
      • 1846 within view of constable
      • 1956 3am dismissed
    • works
    • other countries
      • parties de sonnette in France; "regionalist novels, local celebrations and websites of villages in southwestern France highlight the equivalent ‘tradition’ of the «tustet» (with a door knocker).". News items where "jeu de la sonnette" backfired
      • Norway «Ringpigg». «Ringe-på-og-stikke-av». «Ding-dong-stikk». «Ring på og spring» "Ring spike". "Ring-on-and-run". "Ding-dong-sting". "Ring on and run". Reports varies incidents in Norway
      • searching for other news reports on US shootings may throw up more names
    • variants: flaming poop bag; 2025 tiktok door-kicking trend; tying a cat to the bell rope
    • tech: Ring doorbell cameras discourage; upload to social media encourage
    • see-also: fake pizza orders; prank phone calls
  • Lottery
  • The Statutes of the Realm
    • Ireland from 1907: after revised edition 188x, and incomplete when PRO blown up in 1922.
    • sources: Chancery, Parliament office, printed editions, etc.
  • District municipality make a pure dab, move content out, maybe rename "List of district municipalities of Fooland" to "District municipality (Fooland)"
  • wikt:golden marcasite wikt:مرقشيتا https://archive.org/details/oed6barch/page/154/mode/1up NED sv marcasite] "The ‘marcasites’ of gold and silver seem to have been specimens of copper and iron pyrites with the lustre of gold and silver, and hence wrongly supposed to contain traces of those metals."
  • Burn, Fire, Death by burning

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1819-2060G3+1G42d s of 6th P
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  • Category:Episcopal palaces in London — complete a table for all medieval Lords Spiritual, e.g. Ely Palace; in fact add all dioceses with local and London palaces.
    • Chapter centred on 1285 (details on 6, sketch on 14) with follow-up to modern.[11]
    • Article should cover local if not London palaces; dunno if focus is modern heritage curation[12]
  • Military–industrial complex "Military–industrial–academic complex"
    • The phrase was thought to have been "war-based" industrial complex before becoming "military" in later drafts of Eisenhower's speech, a claim passed on only by oral history — Ledbetter references 'a speechwriter staff memorandum' for "war based industrial complex", and Winfield W. Riefler (Our Economic Contribution to Victory Foreign Affairs October 1947 p. 95) for the specific term "military-industrial complex" relating to US war effort
    • James Ledbetter's refutation extends to all third terms (implicitly including "academic") not just the other two specified ("congressional", "scientific").
    • due to James William Fulbright; Dec 1967 in Senate: mentions on 5th, then gives speech on 13th on "the war and its effects" with section 1 titled MIAC and saying "The universities might have formed an effective counterweight to the military-industrial complex by strengthening their emphasis on the traditional values of our democracy, but many of our leading universities have instead joined the monolith"
    • Giroux 2007 pp 14–15, 82 for Eisenhower cites Anatol Lieven LRB 2005 but not reliable "what Dwight Eisenhower once denounced as the 'military-industrial-academic complex'".
    • Here Lieven says 'Eisenhower's original phrase apparently [emph added] was "military-industrial-academic-complex".' His book America Right or Wrong 2012 ed p83 asserts "Eisenhower's original phrase" with no cite; 2004 ed p89 lacks the assertion, using the phrase without comment.
    • 1970 reader has various military-industrial-foo-complex examples
p. 108military-intelligence complex
p. 117military-industrial-political complex
p. 164military-industrial communications complex
p. 196As the words feed on themselves, the charges get stronger and stronger and the complex gets all-embracing. The academic world is added because of military research. Some papers have added the labor unions— and, of course, politicians have to be included in any roasting. So we have the “military-industrial-educational-political-labor union complex.” We have just about everybody in there but the Boy Scouts.
p. 203The catch-phrase is often extended to read “military-industrial-congressional complex.”
pp. 237-8Now we have a name that runs like this: “An economic-educational-scientific-military-industrial complex.”
pp. 256-7labor you with a discourse on the military-industrial-labor-university complex.
p. 260military-industrial-labor-academic complex
p. 275what one liberal Congressman has called the “military-industrial-Congressional complex,”

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  • List of UK parliamentary election petitions
    • why split of post 1868 into pre and post 1922? "Improve accessibility" in edit summary?
      • Perhaps if there is some maximum table size recommendation in MOS? Post 1922 table is far smaller, a split at say 1900 would be more even.
      • other possibility, Irish Free State, seems irrelevant
      • in any case, no need for repetition of column key and lexicon before both tables
    • 1832-68 summary should also have column for total number of contests
  • Put 'Em Under Pressure
    • current section break is arbitrary unrelated to headings
    • lowercase 'em per record cover?
    • re-released later? Or was that only "The Boys in Green" 88 and 90?
    • mention and back-link in "Olé Olé Olé", and in legacy section here. rte.ie/brainstorm/2025/1116 "we don't just break into a blast of 'Ole Ole Ole' at soccer matches, but also at gigs, homecomings and other celebrations"
  • Robert Molesworth currently says
    • Queen Anne did make him an Irish Privy Councillor but he had to resign from that[3] when in 1713 a convocation of the Church of Ireland recommended prosecution for "an indictable profanation of the holy scriptures", after he had quoted Scripture in the course of an insult to Church of Ireland representatives at a viceregal levée.
    • but other sources[14] give more (quote and context, alternative remedies unavailing) and contradictory details (not a levee but rather the presentaation of an address)
    • fix and also mention in Privy Council of Ireland#Members
  • Farringdon, London named after Farringdon Station names after Farringdon Road at the other end of which was the original Farringdon eponymous of the former Farringdon Ward latterly split into Farringdon Within and Farringdon Without. Better use of hatnote, placing of etymology there and in Wards of the City of London#List of wards table's "Notes" column.
  • "expected assists" — expected goals + assist (association football). Also "own assist" — mistake by defender allowing attacker to score vs play by attacker leading to own goal.
  • Category:State ritual and ceremonies and Protocol need tidying
  • Irish Black Rod List IHLJ v2 matches "Esq gentlemen" Humphry Gore, Esq 1703; etc later vols
    • no, better is the index, eg v4 sv "Gentleman Usher" gives all swearing-in
    • check 1783–1800 if Lords swearing-in date differs from Order swearing-in date
  • {{Certification Table Entry}} does not sort "Certification" column logically, from biggest to smallest.
    • e.g. 25 (Adele album)#Certifications and sales goes
      Platinum, Gold, Diamond, 15× Platinum,... 2× Platinum
    • List of music recording certifications are variable but the least-bad is to put all n× Diamond > n× Platinum > n× Gold > n× Silver regardless of the relative values of n and the multiples from one material to the next; which would give
      Diamond, 15× Platinum,... 2× Platinum, Platinum, Gold
    • documentation says
      • |award=Diamond/Platinum/Gold/Silver/Million/Billion/Diamond+Platinum/Diamond+Gold/Platinum+Gold/Diamond+Platinum+Gold. Awards vary by region. See other supported awards for specific regions below.
      • |number= – number of awards given. For example, for Double Platinum enter 2.
      • |number2= – number of awards given, in case of multiple awards, check for support below
      • |number3= – number of awards given, in case of multiple awards, check for support below
    • Any discussion at Template talk:Certification Table Entry arhives?
  • James Oglethorpe spurious WP:ITALICTITLE

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All pages with titles containing private collection

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O'Sullivan recites the poem O'Connor later published as "Song of Repentance", clearly attributed by previous editors and by Corkery to O'Sullivan. O'Connor does not however attribute this poem to O'Sullivan in his collections of translations published [1938] some ten years after this play presumably was written, even though he usually gave attributions to identifiable authors of poems he translated.'

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  • 1941–47 FEF President Cup
    • if 1940 FEF President Cup is truly unrelated then turn FEF President Cup from a parent to a dab and rename articles FEF President Cup (1940) and FEF President Cup (1941–47). Otherwise correct and ce 1941–47 section of parent stocks
    • is it President Cup or President's Cup or just use the Spanish name?
    • include final standings table and standings before 1947 match
    • ideally needs a full ce by native speaker and remove some chatty tone trivia
    • cf Iberian Cup
    • update Supercopa de España#Early tournaments
  • Consummation
  • Trujillo, Cáceres another editor is minimising/deleting mention of conquistadors/surname
  • George Montagu (18th century politician)
  • officials of Rockingham Forest or bailiwicks within it.
    • Thomas Tresham (died 1605) Ranger in 1578–81 and 1603–05 — his wife's uncle, Francis Russell, 2nd Earl of Bedford, was Guardian of the Forest
    • J. Browne Ranger 1610–15
    • Sir John Robinson, 1st Baronet, of London Ranger from 1665
    • 1669 "Warrant to the Ranger, &c., of the West Bailiwick, Rockingham Forest, to permit Viscount Cullen to kill and carry away a fat buck."
    • George Montagu (18th century politician) Deputy Ranger 1766–80, appointed in preference to Sir George Robinson, 5th Baronet by co-heiresses of John Montagu, 2nd Duke of Montagu "Hereditary Forester and Warden of Rockingham-Bailiwick, within the Forest of Rockingham, in the county of Northampton"
    • 1812 "In Rockingham Forest, which contains three Bailiwicks, each subdivided into several Walks, there are large tracts of Woodlands which formerly belonged to the Crown, but which have long been alienated in perpetuity. Those Woodlands, however, remained subject to the pasturage of the King's deer, and the cattle of the Commoners; and in one of the Walks the Oak Trees of a certain size are excepted to the Crown, though the underwood and the soil of the Woodlands are granted in fee. The offices of Forester, or Keeper of the different Walks, are also granted in perpetuity; and in each Walk there are inclosed Pasture Lands called Lawns, in the whole of considerable extent, appropriated to the feeding and preservation of the deer, and not subject to Rights of Common. These Lawns are possessed by the Keepers of the respective Districts; and in some of them, the soil and entire property of the Land are claimed by the Grantees of the Keeperships, though the custody only is considered to be granted. In the Walks of Sulehay and Morehay, within the Bailiwick of Cliffe, the Woodlands and the hereditary Keeperships belong to the Earl of Westmorland; in the Walk of Westhay, within the same Bailiwick, they belong to the Earl of Exeter [recte Marquess since 1801]; in Farming Woods Walk, within Brigstock Bailiwick, they are the property of the Earl of Upper Ossory; and in the different Walks, within the Bailiwick of Rockingham, the Keeperships, with a great part of the Woodlands, belong to George Finch Hatton, Esquire. In order to put an end to the mixture of Rights existing in this property, and to the destruction of the Woods froin the bite of the deer and cattle, Acts have been passed for setting out Lands in compensation for the Common Rights in the Bailiwicks of Brigstock and Cliffe, and in part of the Bailiwick of Rockingham, and for enabling His Majesty to grant to Lord Westmorland, Lord Exeter, Lord Ossory, and Mr. Hatton, all the remaining Rights of the Crown within their respective Districts, for a full and adequate consideration. By means of the various Grants from the Crown within this Forest, a diversity of interests is created in each separate District, and consequently in the sale of the remaining Rights of the Crown, the objects of treaty are different with each party. In the investigations which the Surveyor General found necessary for ascertaining those Rights preparatory to the sale, questions have arisen respecting the interests claimed by the Grantees in some of the Walks; and those questions having been agreed to be referred to arbitration, a statement of the matters in dispute has been prepared by the Surveyor General, by the direction of the Treasury, and is now under the consideration of the Arbitrators. In the mean time the allotting of Lands in compensation for the Rights of Common, is going on under the direction of the Commissioners appointed for that purpose; and Surveyors have been directed to value the Rights of the Crown, preparatory to the fixing of the price to be paid for them. The money arising from the sale of those Rights is directed to be laid out in the purchase of £. 3 per centum Consolidated Bank Annuities, in the name of the Lord High Treasurer of England; and there is reason to expect, that, besides the important object of freeing so extensive and valuable a tract of Woodlands from incumbrances which have rendered them of very little value to the owners, a considerable addition to the produce of the Land Revenue will arise from the sale of Rights, which at present produce no other advantage to the Crown than the supply of a few brace of deer for His Majesty's larder."

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  • George Reynolds (businessman) chron order, info box
  • Black cap,
    "Such claims go back as far as in the era of the infamous John Toler, 1st Earl of Norbury (Chief Justice, 1800–1827)."
    the proposal, and namecheck of judge, date from 1936 by rail worker Joseph Conboy[15] (Commons:Category:Joseph Peter Conboy)
  • Oort limit see Talk:Oort limit complaint and languagehat comment
  • Extraterritorial jurisdiction in Irish lawirishtimes 2026/03/06 "The Cosgrave government in the 1970s made an attempt to get around this by giving the Irish courts the power to try people for offences committed outside the State, but this proved unworkable." The Supreme Court by Ruadhán Mac Cormaic more on this
  • wikt:Baz separate etymology Barry Basil
  • List of prisoners with whole life orders: ce first sentence. Douglas Hogg 600 tariffs were (nearly?) all not whole-life. Table incomplete apparently because ministerial tariffs not automatically made public. Maybe more info from whole life order useful to clarify such points here. List should give date of sentence separately from date ministerial order made. Quashed orders list should clearer distinguish Good Friday v. Conviction overturned v. Order auto-overturned due to 2002 rights case v. Overturned on other appeal (v. Other reason?)
  • Guildford pub bombings lede should mention convicted and (suspected?) actual culprits
  • Balcombe Street gang order of material is illogical. Needs a central section with chrono from arrival in GB until arrest. Some background belongs in a general survey since relates to other IRA units in GB. Maybe info can be imported from bios of members.
  • Talk:Theme music#Merge Main title into Theme music do by 2026-03-18
  • Category:UEFA Champions League records and statistics articles
    • should state in first sentence whether includes pre-1992 European Cup
    • should state clearly whether or not "qualifying rounds" are excluded and if so to define what this means.
    • In recent seasons all rounds before the [first] group stage are considered "qualifying stage" for the purposes of excluding them from aggregate statistics
      • though rounds have had different names "preliminary" "qualifying" "play-in" sometimes within the same "qualifying stage" of the tournament]
      • In early [post-1992] seasons pre-group rounds were not [all?] considered "qualifying stage"
        • pre-1992 sometimes had [one?] round before the "first round" but considered just as much part of the tournament
        • 1992–93 "Champions League" introduced, but only for the group stage of the wider European Cup; it was retconned for the whole tournament in ?1994
        • 1994–95 up from 2 to 4 groups in group phase; whole tournament called "Champions League"; smaller-league champions relegated to UEFA Cup.
        • 1997–98 up from 4 to 6 groups in group phase; larger-league non-winners enter for the first time; smaller-league champions restored
        • 1999–2000 8 groups in first group phase, 4 groups in second; up to 4 teams from strongest leagues
        • 2003–04 second group phase abolished
        • 2018–19 "preliminary" qualifying round added before 1st qualifying round
        • 2024–25 no "preliminary" before, but "play-off round" after 3rd qualifying round; 36-team group phase
  • Standings (sports) should
    • first part merge into Group tournament ranking system — former concentrates on season-long competitions in progress, latter on final standings and duration may be shorter
    • second part, ongoing rankings, is unrelated
  • Modern pentathlon at the 1948 Summer Olympics add locator map of venues
  • Healy-Rae family
    • 2025 Dáil speaking rights dispute controversy Michael a minister and Danny in opposition
    • IT 2026 profile business Empire; 'Another two Independent councillors are affiliated with the Healy-Raes, Sam Locke and “Speedy” Nolan.' ('Liam “Speedy” Nolan, a north Kerry publican')
  • Group tournament ranking system—average points in mid-season rankings, and finally during COVID, including MLS and Scotland
  • synaeresis distinguish from vowel smoothing, ditto vowel hiatus distinguish from vowel breaking
  • vowel hiatus#Epenthesis want to move link Linking and intrusive R from hatnote to under "often insert /r/" but wikilink incompatible with {{IPA}}: is there a template to facilitate? {{wikilink}} is too dumb.
    • mw:Help:Links#Piped links has a "Limitation" subsection but it's not really relevant, it's about resolving the link page rather than the pipetrick text.
  • Newmarket Town Plate more sources
    • John Berry (trainer and winner) writes about Jim Fuller research into history. Women allowed because not run under jockey club rules. Second female winner was Lester Piggott's future mother
    • racingpost 2025 "shortened this year to 2m1f (from 3m6f) owing to the lack of rain"
    • when changed from 4m to 3m6f? Pathé 1930s was 4m
    • Sporting Magazine says 1773 Geo3 changed from heats to single race
    • 2015 "The Town Plate is run prior to racing at the final meeting of the summer season [end of August]" "Professional jockeys, stable lads/lasses and grooms who work full time in racing are not eligible to ride." "A first prize of £200 will go to the winning owner – total prize fund £375 – and the winning rider will receive a Goldings Perpetual Challenge Plate, a silver photograph frame, a £125 Goldings voucher and, most famously, a box of Powters Celebrated Newmarket sausages."
    • 2025 trainer Keiran Burke won 2025 ahead of 4 members of Vaughan family
    • 2017 showjumping Tim Gredley won, owner Sheikh Fahad bin Abdullah bin Khalifa Al Thani (profile) fell
    • 1769 calendar
      • p.xiv rules for "his Majesty's plates annually run for at Newmarket and other places"
      • p.149 Annual Town Plate £20 12 stone on Oct 12th
      • p.179 1766 5yr agreement subscribers fund 4 Newmarket plates, one at each of 4 meetings, criteria differ
    • 1827 calendar p28 King's Plate mares, p31 King's Plate; p197 4th Oct £50 Town Plate for 3yo; p213 18th Oct £50 Town Plate for 3+yo; Winners: Whalebone×Chateau Margaux King's Plate Newmarket
    • 1863 history p191 1772 Newmarket abolished heats for all races except Town Plate
    • memoir jockey Colin Tinkler Snr daughter Marie won 1970 Blake and 1971 Ocean Sailor. "The Town Plate stayed as it was for many years but later was switched to a Sunday, again being the sole race on the card. Nowadays it’s still on a Sunday, though run in conjunction with an Arab meeting so, consequently, all the mystique and appeal has gone and is now no more than a very ‘Mickey Mouse’ event; change is not always for the better."
    • 1938 "For a great number of years, old Frank Simpson, the Newmarket Fire Brigade chief, used to beat a few other local roughriders for the Town Plate, and no one cared two hoots. ... For more than two and a half centuries, it languished in obscurity, but now the ladies have “made” it. We have columns in the newspapers, most attractively illustrated; all Newmarket turns out to cheer; and the seal was set on the occasion last year when a few local layers made books on the race. Instead of a field of three or four half-bred hunters we now have about a dozen starters, nearly all ridden by ladies,"
    • Lester Piggott wife Susan won 1961 and 1963
    • "NEWMARKET. SECOND OCTOBER MEETING". York Herald. 19 October 1850. p. 8 via BritishNewspaperArchive. The Newmarket Town Plate was ran for on Friday week, and won in two heats by Mr Daley's Goodwood, ridden by Mr Arber, beating Hope.
    • "NOMENCLATURE; The Newmarket Town Plate". Bell's Life in London and Sporting Chronicle. 10 October 1868. p. 5 via BritishNewspaperArchive. This old-established race, annually run in heats over the Round Course, on the second Thursday in October, at one ...
    • "MISCELLANEOUS SCRATCHINGS". Morning Leader. 14 October 1892. p. 7 via BritishNewspaperArchive. The old-established Newmarket Town Plate was fixed to be run for yesterday morning, but there was nothing to oppose Mr. W. A. Jarvis's Gannet, upon whom Mr ...
    • [zzz "NEWMARKET TOWN PLATE"]. Guernsey Evening Press and Star. 15 October 1897. p. 3 via BritishNewspaperArchive. contested yesterday morning on the July Course and attracted a large number of local sportsmen and visitors. The event was reduced to a match... {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "SPORTING INTELLIGENCE"]. Manchester Courier. 12 October 1900. pp. 2, 3 via BritishNewspaperArchive. The annual race for the Newmarket Town Plate (four miles) was fixed to be decided yesterday morning, but although several horses were on the spot ready to run, Mr. James Waugh's Prestonfield (T. Waugh) eventually was permitted a walk-over. {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "NEWMARKET HORSES"]. Morning Leader. 11 October 1907. p. 6 via BritishNewspaperArchive. Only two competed {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "LONGEVITY' AT BRIGHTON"]. Evening Star. 09 October 1908. p. 2 via BritishNewspaperArchive. The race is for horses the property of Newmarket ... {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • [zzz "THE NEWMARKET TOWN PLATE"]. Sporting Life. 09 October 1908. p. 3 via BritishNewspaperArchive. after resting in oblivion for long period, was revived in it last year {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • [zzz "zzz"]. The People. 27 December 1908. p. 15 via BritishNewspaperArchive. the Newmarket Town Plate, is not now, as formerly, run in heats, doubtless due to the nominal entry. The prize money is obtained from rent... {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "zzz"]. The Sportsman. 19 July 1909. p. 4 via BritishNewspaperArchive. Our next meeting there will essentially local one, vie., the decision of the Newmarket Town Plate, confined Newmarket tradesmen and their sons, which dates bade hundreds of years, and is annually run on the first ... {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "NEWMARKET TOWN PLATE"]. Birmingham Daily Gazette. 15 October 1909. p. 8 via BritishNewspaperArchive. At Newmarket yesterday Mr. Charles Archer's Proffer, ridden by Mr. Frank Simpson, was permitted to walk over {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "Newmarket Town Plate. THREE COMPETITORS GO TO THE POST"]. Newmarket Journal. 14 October 1911. p. 5 via BritishNewspaperArchive. zzz {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "SIR J. M. SCOTT'S BROTHER. PAYMENT FOR ANCIENT RACE STOPPED"]. Gloucestershire Echo. 23 September 1913. p. 3 via BritishNewspaperArchive. ... Newmarket District Council a letter was read from Mr. Arthur Samuel Manning, the clerk of the course at the race for the Newmarket Town Plate, stating that Messrs. Capron and Co., solicitors, had written that Mr. D. M Scott, present owner of the Town Plate ... {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "NEWMARKET TOWN PLATE: DANGER OF HISTORIC RACE LAPSING"]. Sporting Life. 06 October 1913. p. 3 via BritishNewspaperArchive. {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • [zzz "CHARLES II. & THE NEWMARKET TOWN PLATE"]. Westminster Gazette. zzz. p. 14 via BritishNewspaperArchive. There were general rejoicings at headquarters this morning when it was definitely announced that the time-honoured Newmarket Town Plate, the oldest horse-race... {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • [zzz "NEWMARKET TOWN PLATE"]. Morning Advertiser. 21 October 1913. p. 6 via BritishNewspaperArchive. At last night's meeting of the Newmarket District Council, Major Griffiths reported that at an interview with Mr. Malcolm Scott respecting his solicitor's notification of his intention to discontinue his contribution of ... {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "zzz"]. Newmarket Journal. 25 October 1913. p. 8 via BritishNewspaperArchive. ... for inquiring concerning charities 11837) vol, 31. p Al. the following entry appears under parish of All Saints, Newmarket 'Town Plate Money. Thu sum of £1 in two portions of 13s. 6d. and 8d. is annually paid out of land now belonging to Mrs. Anne Seabee ... {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "NEWMARKET TOWN PLATE; SUGGESTION OF CHARITY COMMISSIONERS"]. Evening Star. 17 December 1913. p. 1 via BritishNewspaperArchive. zzz {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "NEWMARKET TOWN PLATE"]. Pall Mall Gazette. 27 January 1914. p. 13 via BritishNewspaperArchive. Mr. D. Malcolm Scott has written letter Major Griffiths, of Newmarket, on behalf of the Newmarket Urban District Council, stating that he particularly desires that the Newmarket Town Plate should continue in perpetuity, and that {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "THE WIND-UP AT NEWMARKET"]. Nottingham Journal. 15 October 1920. p. 7 via BritishNewspaperArchive. walked over for yesterday by Mr. Frank Corzon's Playhouse (5 years) ridden by Mr. Frank Simpson {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "LOCAL NEWS; TOWN PLATE"]. Newmarket Journal. 15 October 1921. p. 5 via BritishNewspaperArchive. The Newmarket Town Plate was again won yesterday ... by Mr. F. A Simpson, who walked over on Captain Tom Leader's bay gelding ... Mr. Simpaon has now won the Plate twelve times, having 6 walk-over ... {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "LOCAL ITEMS"]. The Sportsman. 01 October 1923. p. 8 via BritishNewspaperArchive. It is generally stated that there will be quite a good field for the historic Newmarket Town Plate, to be decided on Thursday week. I have frequently heard these statements made in years gone by, occasionally without ... {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • [zzz "OFFICIAL SCRATCHINGS"]. Belfast News-Letter. 03 October 1923. p. 2 via BritishNewspaperArchive. The annual contest for Newmarket Town Plate to-morrow is expected attract at least eight competitorsm, a quite unusual circumstance {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • [zzz "WOMAN JOCKEY"]. Daily Express. 10 October 1923. p. 1 via BritishNewspaperArchive. A woman, for the first time in racing bistory, will be a jockey in the race for the Newmarket Town Plate on Thursday. {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "Enterprising Women Jockeys"]. Vote. 19 October 1923. p. 2 via BritishNewspaperArchive. Three women were announced to ride in last week's Newmarket Town Plate Race—Miss Betty Tanner, Miss. Iris Rickaby, and Miss Marjorie Benson. Two, however, dropped out, and Miss Tanner came in third, on Pennant. {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
    • [zzz "LADY JOCKEYS UNPLACED IN NEWMARKET TOWN PLATE TO-DAY"]. Hull Daily Mail. 09 October 1924. p. 8 via BritishNewspaperArchive. {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)
    • [zzz "WOMEN FIRST AND SECOND IN NEWMARKET TOWN PLATE"]. Evening News (London). 8 October 1925. p. 1 via BritishNewspaperArchive. There weer five women rider {{cite news}}: Check |url= value (help)
  • greyhoundderby.com (insecure http) has most winners and prints of many old newspaper articles. 1913 seems loser had theoretical right to demand second heat if lost by less than a distance. Were three-heats ever formally abandoned or just by convention? Prize fund was c.£9 land rent, plus £3 last year's entry fee per horse, minus c£.2 fees for staff.

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  • 10 Geo. 3. c. 74 Pr.—"Earl of Clanricarde's Estate (Ireland) Act 1770" given as name; says who? "Clanricarde’s Estates Act 1770" in ie SLR 2012, and uk chron-tables desc not name
  • Grammy Awards --
    • until c.1994, non-classical "Performance" categories were open to singles or albums; afterwards to singles/tracks only. Billboard 1995 genre album categories introduced because "performance categories, in those fields only singles and tracks were eligible"
    • More generally, general criteria for nomination need to be established. (record v streaming, single v album-track; what of TV/movie/show-cast categories?)
  • Jamaica Inn is the Inn the main topic? I reckon it's famous only by association with the novel
  • Double dactyl original anthology original 1967 book
  • Citizens' Assembly (Ireland)
    • issue-specific ones listed on website:
      • Citizens' Assembly on Drugs Use (2023)
      • Citizens' Assembly on Biodiversity Loss (2022-2023)
      • Dublin Citizens' Assembly (2022)
      • Citizens' Assembly on Gender Equality (2020 - 2021)
      • Citizens' Assembly (2016 - 2018)
      • Convention on the Constitution (2013 - 2014)
    • Planned one for education replaced by "convention". IT 2026/03/21 "Minister defends education convention as more appropriate than Citizens’ Assembly"; RTÉ 2026/03/21 last such in 1993
  • Irish revolutionary period Myths book ISBN 9781916742963 puts 'The Irish Revolution' in quotes and "challenges in general the myth of some kind of definitive Irish 'revolution' between 1910 and 1922, a 'revolution' proclaimed by the tories of many recently published histories". [p.xiii]
  • Sad clown paradox#Pagliacci joke
    • not a paradox. Irony maybe. Then again...
    • not a joke. relegate Pagliacci, probably English specific.
    • Carlin[oi] may be Carlo Bertinazzi
    • Walter Benjamin says
    • fictional Carlin 1769 letter to Clement XIV, written by Henri de Latouche first published 1827, per p23 of Borowitz
    • Painted Smiles: Sad Clowns in French Art and Literature Helen O. Borowitz The Bulletin of the Cleveland Museum of Art, Vol. 71, No. 1 (Jan., 1984), pp. 23-35 JSTOR 25159845
    • Originally applied to several successive Harlequins of the Comédie-Italienne in Paris.
    • link Garrick
    • 1881 book by Jacques Mardoche and Pierre Desgenais: gotcha Arsène Houssaye sez Deburau but ackchewly Carlin
    • George L. Fox (clown)
    • guard the guards, shave the barber
    • Miracles' "The Tears of a Clown" line "Just like Pagliacci did"—perhaps a widespread misconception that the title of the opera Pagliacci "Clowns" was the name of the hero, actually Canio, or singular "Clown" (Pagliaccio)
    • "Allez voir Dominique" 1801 comedy by Joseph Pain; Dominique Bianconelli sees Doctor Diétis under his real name
      • Oct 1801 review "C'EST l'anecdote très-connue ... l'envoyer voir l'arlequin Dominique"
    • Emil Gigas [da] 1899:[16] Den melankolske Komiker, der kun kan helbredes ved at se sig selv paa Scenen, er i den franske Tradition oftest Dominique, om hvis alvorlige Naturel Sagnet endda melder, at han gik og hørte Professor Regis' Forelæsninger over Descartes' Filosofi. Og Ordene »Allez voir Dominique«, hentede fra Lægens og Harlekinens Samtale i en Komedie fra 1801, ere omtrent blevne til Ordsprog.*) Men i Rahbeks »Breve fra en gammel Skuespiller« (1782) er det Carlin (Carlo Bertinazzi i Paris, død 1783), som har at kæmpe med sit uhelbredelige Tungsind. Og i et af Samuel Smiles' Folkeskrifter er den humørsyge Aktør angliseret til Londonerklownen Grimaldi, som faar det unyttige Raad af den berømte Doktor Abernethy.
      • translation: The melancholic comedian, who can only be cured by seeing himself on stage, is in the French tradition most often Dominique, about whose serious nature legend even reports that he went to hear Professor Regis' lectures on Descartes' philosophy. And the words »Allez voir Dominique«, taken from the conversation between the doctor and the Harlequin in a comedy from 1801, have almost become proverbs.*) But in Knud Lyne Rahbek's »Letters from an Old Actor« (1782) p110 it is Carlin (Carlo Bertinazzi in Paris, died 1783) who has to struggle with his incurable melancholy. And in one of Samuel Smiles's folk writings [Character 1871 p231] the moody actor is anglicized to the London clown Grimaldi, who receives the useless advice of the famous Doctor Abernethy.
    • 1782 (1st anon ed. 1778–9 in Det Almindelige Danske Bibliothek[17]) Carlin i Paris er et merkeligt Exempel herpaa; du veed, han efter Sigende spiller Harlequin til Fuldkommenhed: han er et Rov for den gyseligste Hypokondrie, og har i mange Aar søgt Hielp hos alle berømte Læger. Eengang kom der en meget berømt fremmed Læge til Paris. Carlin, som Lægen ikke kiendte, kisnt han havde seet ham paa Skuepladsene, kom, og søgte hielp hos ham. Denne raadde ham mangfoldige Ting; men Carlin havde alt brugt dem alle forgieves. "Saa kan jeg ikke raade Dem andet, sagde Lagen, end at gaae flittig paa den italienske Komedie, og see Carlin; kan han ikke kurere Dem, maae Deres Onde være meget indgroet." "Carlin, svarte Patienten, er jeg selv; jeg kan nok fornsie andre, men ikke muntre mig selv."
      • Carlin in Paris is a strange example of this; you know, according to legend, he plays Harlequin to perfection: he is prey for the most hideous hypochondriacs and has sought help from all the famous doctors for many years. Once a very famous foreign doctor came to Paris. Carlin, whom the doctor did not know, knew he had seen him at the Theater, came and sought help from him. This gave him many advices; but Carlin had allt brought them all forgiveness. "Then I can't advise you otherwise," said Lagen, "than to diligently go to the Italian comedy and meet Carlin; if he can't cure you, your evil must be very ingrained." "Carlin," replied the patient, "I am myself; I can certainly forgive others, but I can't cheer myself up."
    • pace Gigas sup., Roger Alexandre (1845–19..) says (1897—[not in 2nd, 1892 edition]):[18]
      « Allez voir Dominique. »
      Tel est le titre d'une comédie en un acte de Joseph Pain, représentée au Vaudeville le 28 septembre 1801. A la scène VIII, le médecin Diétis, consulté par le célèbre arlequin Dominique sur une invincible mélancolie, lui donne ce conseil, sans se douter qu'il s'adresse à l'artiste lui-même : « Allez voir Dominique. »
      Je suis le seul, répond le malheureux mime, qui ne puisse pas profiter de l'ordonnance.
      Semblable aventure serait arrivée, dit-on, à Joseph Dominique Biancolelli, acteur de la Comédie-Italienne (1640-1688).
      Bien que cette formule ne soit pas réellement populaire, nous avons tenu à l'enregistrer, parce qu'elle peint, avec une bien poignante ironie, le contraste, hélas! si fréquent, entre la gaîté de commande de ceux qui ont pour métier de faire rire et la tristesse qu'ils ont dans le cœur.
    • Nicolas Brazier (1837) says Thomassin (Tommaso Antonio Visentini, 1682–1739) consulted doctor Dumoulin[19]
  • Charles de Gaulle–Étoile station change hatnote

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Doré 1872
  • Macaulay's New Zealander
  • Mönchengladbach and Borussia Mönchengladbach from "München Gladbach"
    • moenchengladbach.de
      Fast hundert Jahre lang, von 1798 bis 1887, blieb Gladbach offizieller Stadtname, dann wurde die Stadt kreisfrei und München-Gladbach genannt, was zur Verwechslung mit der bayrischen Metropole führen musste, daher schrieb man M.-Gladbach. Nach der Städtetrennung Gladbach-Rheydt 1933 erhielt die Stadt wieder den alten Namen, jedoch mit der Schreibweise ohne Bindestrich: M.Gladbach.
      1950 entschloss sich der Stadtrat zur Umbenennung des Namens in "Mönchen Gladbach" unter "Beibehaltung der Schreibweise M.Gladbach. Erst 1960 entschied der Rat sich zur Angleichung von Sprech- und Schreibweise: Mönchengladbach.
    • did 1950 change from München to Mönchen affect only the pronunciation or also the spelling? I think it's saying that the pronunciation and unused long-spelling changed in 1950 from München~ to Mönchen~, but the used short-spelling stayed "M.Gladbach"; then in 1960 the short-spelling was deprecated in favour of the long-spelling.
    • was football club called "München Gladbach" or "Mönchen Gladbach" or "M.Gladbach" in the 1950–60 period? Informally vs formally? Note that formal long names in Germany may be very different e.g. originally "Borussia 1900 M.gladbach"
  • City status in IrelandIT 2026/03/26 "In a reply to a parliamentary question, Browne indicated the population of towns seeking the status would have to greatly increase." kildarestreet 5 March 2026
  • Phú Quốc—better and more prominent info on how closer to mainland of Cambodia than of Thailand
  • Farsi Island rm See also, ce lighthouse Infobox
  • Base point dab, maybe add
    • basis point—add to seealso, add distinguish hatnote to article
    • Base point pricing—but that is two things: one should be called Basing point pricing and the other is a dupe of Basis point value
      • trim dupe; rename remainder to correct name; make bad name redirect to dab; add correct name to dab's seealso; add distinguish hatnote to correct name
    • Base point value—but that is a redirect to Basis point value
  • Trocadero
    • Isla del Trocadero add to dab.
    • Multiple articles in es.wp for vicinity might clarify Isla and Battle topography
    • Battle of Trocadero
      • de-egg link to "[Isla del] Trocadero"
      • query "Trocadero village"—was there a village, and if so is/was its name Trocadero
      • Note es and fr both "Battle of the Trocadero"
    • es.wp says victor became "Prince of Trocadero", maybe add to dab etc.
  • 2026 FIFA World Cup qualification – UEFA second round mention that semifinal losers played a friendly the same night as the final, being an international window date.
  • List of presidential appointees to the Council of State (Ireland)—date of announcement of nominees may not be same as date took oath of office.
    • Technicality since (a) ex-officio membership not dependent on taking oath (b) no salary/pension/etc dependent on precise start date
    • 2026 press release says "Date: Tue 31 Mar, 2026 | 16:32 Uachtarán na hÉireann, Catherine Connolly, has today appointed seven people to serve as members of the Council of State in accordance with Article 31 of the Constitution."
  • Template:Wiktionary templates common doc add one for wiktionary Template:senseid e.g. {{wikt-sense|lng|wordx|sensy|alias}} gives [[wikt:lng:wordx#LangName:_sensy|alias]]. Maybe extend [text?] Parameter 2 is required/Module:Wikt-lang with {{{sid}}}; need {{ISO 639 name}} for lng→LangName conversion

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  • Śmigus-dyngus
    • move non-Polish names and sections to Easter sprinkling, which is the broader topic and should be mentioned in the first sentence
    • translate names in both articles
  • Treaty Ports (Ireland)
    • Background on how these 3 ports (and others) had been used in WW1
    • historyireland 1923 Haulbowline ‘emergency’ or minor dockyard to be shut after WW1, and hospital excluded. "The extensive Admiralty and military property in the now-renamed Cove (Cóbh) had been handed over to the local IRA the previous year (1922) but had been destroyed when those (anti-Treaty) forces left at the start of the Civil War."
    • trim quotes from newspapers, other primary sources
    • British forces and Irish freedom: Anglo-Irish defence relations 1922-1931 Admiralty thinking during Treaty negotiations etc; mentions various assets to keep or divest. Was Buncrana post allowed under treaty but closed voluntarily some time before 1938? More generally, problems of transit of forces personnel between Swilly and NI. All three ports many locals like RN business. Planned 1926 IFS-UK(/Cmmwlth?) conference on naval responsibility did not happen. Question-mark over air defence provisions. Pages 288–293 interesting maps and stats. Page 56: "Thus the stage was set [in 1922] for the War Office [Army] to bear practically all the costs of maintaining Imperial defences in the coming Free State, a factor which was to prove a bone of contention between it and the Admiralty [Navy] throughout the 1920s and beyond."
    • DIFP "Treaty ports"
      • 2273: Jan 1938 "At present the garrison in the three Treaty Ports consisted of nearly 600 men of the Royal Artillery and Royal Engineers"
      • 2274: Jan 1938 draft "Until such time as the Government of Éire can arrange for the allocation of forces adequate for the defence of the ports [whole coast in earlier draft, Dev objected - see 2273], the Government of Éire will invite the Government of the United Kingdom to co-operate in their defence by the supply of such forces, and the Government of the United Kingdom will so co-operate on such terms as may be agreed between the two Governments."
    • HC Deb 11 July 1923 vol 166 cc1326-7 "asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if the lands, buildings, and fortifications, formerly the property of the British Government, at Berehaven, Haulbowline, and Lough Swilly have been transferred as the property of the Irish Free State" "the reply to the first part of the question is in the affirmative, except for Berehaven, which is expressly reserved under the Treaty. I understand that the Army fortifications at Haulbowline and Lough Swilly are similarly reserved."
      • IT interprets Naval dockyards handed over, not Army fortifications.
      • Sole Society David Davis - former chairman of the Naval Dockyards Society: "There were Naval bases (not Dockyards) at Deal, Falmouth (Mylor), Kinsale, Great Yarmouth, Lough Swilly, Berehaven, Scapa Flow, Cromarty, Firth/Ivergordon, Portland and Faslane (HMNB Clyde)."
      • HC Deb 18 July 1923 vol 166 cc2287-8 "Admiralty property on Bere Island is in charge of the military. There is a caretaker for the oil fuel installation at Berehaven. The Commissioners of Public Works in Ireland are being asked to undertake the work of care and maintenance of the remaining property on the mainland at Berehaven. One signal station at Queenstown is in charge of the military. The other has been destroyed by fire. No stores or other property elsewhere in Free State territory have been retained by the Admiralty."
        • per ww1-cork-harbour-trail-pdf "Signal Station" (a) Fort Templebreedy, (b) Haulbowline, and (c) Admiralty House; my guess is (a) kept (b) not (c) burnt?
        • 1921/dec/15 Viscount Finlay alleged "The oil fuel storage is to be secured by the stations where we keep the oil at present being sold to a commercial company with a guarantee of enough fuel being supplied for the Admiralty requirements."—was that wrong in 1921 or did it change by 1923 or is 1923 quote wrong?
    • enumerate specific facilities at each of the three sites; forts; islands and scattered mainland batteries; fuel stores
      • 1938 Anglo-Irish Trade Agreement refers to "the Admiralty property and rights at Berehaven, and the harbour defences at Berehaven, Cobh (Queenstown) and Lough Swilly now occupied by care and maintenance parties furnished by the United Kingdom, together with buildings, magazines, emplacements, instruments and fixed armaments with ammunition therefor at present at the said ports"
        • Doc No 2 refers to
          • "Harbour defences to remain in charge of British care and maintenance parties." for all three
          • "British Admiralty property and rights to be retained" only for Berehaven
          • "Certain mooring buoys to be retained for use of His Britannic Majesty's ships" only for Cobh
      • pinkroutes.com:
      • Castletownbere#Treaty port says facilities on mainland near town; was the same true of Cobh? That article implies the whole town but it was much less if any. The Treaty text does say "Queenstown"; oil fuel at Rathmullan (Swilly)
      • Indicator loops
      • Fortress Ireland : the story of the Irish coastal forts and the River Shannon defence line (2006) pp164–180 all good Hilites: [p167] "By 1929 the number of batteries at Cork Harbour had reduced to three with only one battery on Bere. From 1934 the strength of the Lough Swilly battery started to rise, reaching six officers and 156 men in January 1938. At that time there were three batteries, totalling 12 officers and 242 men, at Cork Harbour and one battery of five officers and 103 men on Bere"
      • Admiralty charts: 2697 (Swilly) ; 1777 (Cork 1967) / 3384 Cobh ; 1840 (Berehaven 1856)
      • BMH plans:
        • Berehaven: Bear Island (1898 IE/MA/MPD/AD119451-006 :: 1928 IE/MA/MPD/ad134128-004); Derrycreeveen Battery () ; Beal Lough (1921 IE/MA/MPD/AD119452-001 and n.d. IE/MA/MPD/AD119452-004) ; Lawrence Cove and Rerrin (1898? IE/MA/MPD/AD119451-005 ; 1929 IE/MA/MPD/AD119268-003 and IE/MA/MPD/AD119268-004 ; 1936 IE/MA/MPD/AD119267-008 )
        • Cork Harbour: ["South Irish Coast Defence" HQ] Spike Island (1939 IE/MA/MPD/ad134243-008) Camden Fort (1939 IE/MA/MPD/ad134147-004); Fort Templebreedy (1916 IE/MA/MPD/ad134208-006 and IE/MA/MPD/ad134210-008 :: 1939 IE/MA/MPD/ad134212-007); Fort Carlisle (1917 IE/MA/MPD/ad134212-005)
    • Trivia "U.S. Naval Air Station Foo Ireland" 1918–9 for Foo = Berehaven (and Whiddy Island); Queenstown; and Lough Foyle. (Also Wexford.) [most/all prev UK air stations; see J. C. Kelly-Rogers, 'Aviation in Ireland - 1784 to 1922', Éire-Ireland, 6, 2 (Summer 1971), pp.3-17]
    • how many men and ships were stationed at each, for how long
    • JSTOR 27198278 "The most apparent result [of Arts 6-7 of Treaty] was the continuing presence of British forces in the forts defending the strategic harbours. In addition, two Royal Navy destroyers were located in Irish waters until 1938, with mooring buoys in Cork Harbour maintained by the OPW for their use. A conference was to take place five years after the enactment of the Treaty to discuss Irish maritime defences." 1927 discussion IFS said would not start its own navy till UK returned ports. "The formal meeting was deferred and in fact never took place."
    • Navies and nations (1927) Hector C. Bywater "Of far greater moment is the future status of such harbours as Queenstown, Lough Swilly, and Berehaven. The free use of these and other Irish harbours for British naval purposes would be absolutely essential in case of war with a Great Power. In the British Government's proposals for Irish peace in August, 1920, the following passage occurred: "Great Britain lives by sea-borne food; her communications depend upon the freedom of the great sea routes. Ireland lies at Britain's side across the sea-ways north and south that link her with the sister nations of the Empire, the markets of the world, and the vital sources of her food supply. In recognition of this fact, which Nature has imposed and no statesmanship can change, it is essential that the Royal Navy alone should control the seas around Ireland and Great Britain." Such control, to be effective, would involve the unrestricted use of Irish harbours in war time by vessels of the Royal Navy. As the settlement of this question necessarily depends on the future political relations of the two countries, it need not be pursued here. It should, however, be pointed out that the development of aircraft may compel us, in the event of war with a major Continental Power, to transfer the main fleet to a base on the Irish coast, where it would lie beyond reach of air attack. This possibility renders it the more desirable that a clear understanding should be reached as to the part which Irish Free State harbours are to play in future naval strategy." [which other source mentioned air facilities as subject UK never broached and/or implicitly out of scope?]
    • I suspect name "South Irish Flotilla" used only by Irish historians
      • "Coastal defence until 1938 was the responsibility of the ‘South Irish Flotilla’ of the Royal Navy. The SIF consisted of two ships, H.M.S. Tenedos and H.M.S. Thracian. Under the terms of the Treaty* Britain retained mooring rights in three Irish ports"
      • archive.org "on 11 July 1938... the British withdrew from the Treaty ports, and with them went HMS Acasta, the last unit of the South Irish Flotilla, which from the main base at Plymouth, had been regular visitors to the buoys retained for them at Cork Harbour, Berehaven and Lough Swilly."
      • The Naval Forces of the Irish State, 1922-1977 "Although there is a surplus of British writers detailing the exploits of the Royal Navy, few detail the existence of the South Irish Flotilla operating from the Treaty Ports in the inter-war period. Indeed, Stephen's Roskill's Naval policy between the wars makes no mention of their activities."
      • The Potential To Create A Naval, Or Maritime, Museum On Haulbowline Cork Harbour "After the Treaty the dockyard was transferred to the Irish Government (Office of Public Works) in 1923 but the Royal Navy operated the base until 1938 establishing the South Irish Flotilla for Coastal Protection."
    • how did they interact with locals
    • IT 1938-08-16 p6 first time no RN destroyers at Cork regatta; permission refused to Regatta Committee by MinExtAffs (Dev); specators "bitterly disappointed" at lack of expected searchlight display during fireworks
    • IT 1938-11-12 p10 c6 about 20 Brit under Major Otten left after staying "to assist in instructing the Irish troops".
    • Dáil 14 Jul 1938 Frank Aiken responds to criticism of Daily Mail report that he toasted the King's health: "In accordance with ordinary international custom and Army regulations, when I invited certain British officers to dinner in Cork, to return some of the courtesy which they had shown our people when they were engaged in negotiation as to the handing over of the ports, I proposed the health of the head of their State, and, in return, their senior officer proposed the health of the head of our State. ... I am quite prepared to drink his health every time he hands us over a lump of territory, and if he hands over the Six Counties, I will drink his health six times."
    • Cork City and County Archives U180Add2 [Paddy O'Keeffe of Bantry, additional material] "14. Copy of photograph of ship and officers, taken from O'Keeffe family scrapbook, inscription 'Lt Commander John Lee Barber RN HMS Ardent Sept 18 1938. Last British Ship to Glengariff after handing over Bere Island to Eire Govt....'."
    • Hansard index to "Eire (Confirmation of Agreements)..." ...Bill and ...Act
    • Aftermath: UK controversy over 1938 handover: appeasement that hit WW2 effort or not?
  • In Search of Lost Time redirects:
wrong target / dabpage / own article or redir to same
    • Agenda:
      • add anchor for each volume
      • add redirects:
        • to appropriate volume anchor from "best" English
        • R avoided double redir from other English
        • R avoided double redir + R translation for French
      • if title is a dab page,
        • maybe add [[AmbigName (Proust)]] redirect
        • add a line to the anchor, to [[AmbigName (Proust)]] redirect if exists, otherwise to to appropriate volume anchor
      • Issues:
        • If we had {{visible anchor|Vol Title}} would be nice, but aliases are not listed at start of volume section, rather in other sectionsd ("Initial publication" and "English-language translations").
        • It might even be confusing for reader landing from "The Sweet Cheat Gone" at "The Fugitive"—but then so would landing at start of article
        • Ask on Talk: page?

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Invincibles/Phoenix Park Murders

Articles

Timeline

  • December 1881 initial 4-man Directorate, during power vacuum while Parnell et al. in Kilmainham Gaol. Desired targets were high-profile officials, incl LL and ChSec
  • 25 February 1882 police informer murdered (Bailey, informed Dec 1881 on arms cache held by Michael Whelan)
  • 4 March 1882 James Mullet remanded on [false] suspicion 25 Feb murder
  • Two attempts on William Edward Forster, the Chief Secretary for Ireland
  • 6 May 1882 PPM — intended target T. H. Burke (Under-Secretary for Ireland), and unexpected bonus Lord Frederick Cavendish (Forster's replacement) whom Burke chanced upon while walking in the Park before the attack; killed either for defending Burke or as eyewitness, INI did not know who he was
  • DMP Superintendent John Mallon led investigation
  • June 1882 - James Mullet released after naming JCarey DCurley Fitzharris
  • July 1882 — tenant of JCarey alerts DMP to surgical knives on premises
  • 12 July 1882 — Prevention of Crime (Ireland) Act 1882 passed, a Coercion Act
  • Later INI crimes which got entangled with PPM investigation:
    • 11 November 1882 attempted murder of judge James Anthony Lawson
    • 27 November 1882 attempted murder of Protestant juror Denis Field who had helped convict (Michael Walsh of murder of RIC man?) or (Francis Hynes - NLI)
  • Investigating magistrate John Adye Curran appointed, with power to summon witnesses under s.16 of the Prevention of Crime (Ireland) Act 1882
  • 3 Jan 1883 – Robert Farrell turns
  • 20 Jan 1883 – arraignment of Brady McCaffrey Kelly Curley Mullet Fagan Hanlon
  • 10 Feb 1883 — Kavanagh Crown informer
  • 17 Feb 1883 — Carey Crown informer — turning ringleader not tactically necessary but cautionary example for future conspirators
  • May 1883 — Kelly's third trial
  • 3 approvers resettled to Australia on the Pathan but repatriated by authorities there
  • 17 December — O'Donnell hanged for murder of Carey
  • 1889 — Delaney implicates Parnell at Parnell Commission
  • 1892 — John Mallon promoted to DMP assistant commissioner

People

INI Numbers:

  • 4-man Directorate
  • only about 30 members in total; could nearly list them all. Moloney pp. 278–280 lists 27.
  • PPM trial:
    • 15 people convicted
      • 5 executed
    • 6 approvers
    • 7 principals named by Carey, 5 executed and 2 approvers
  • At scene:
    • Joe Brady[ppm 1] [replaced James Mullet as Director] — directed operation; stabbed Burke; executed 14 May
    • Tim[othy] Kelly[ppm 1] — beside Brady; stabbed Cavendish; executed 9 June after third trial
    • Thomas Caffrey[ppm 1] — behind Brady and Kelly; pled guilty but nevertheless executed 2 June, which Bussy says is because of other crimes he had committed but not een charged with
    • Patrick Delaney[ppm 1] — behind Brady and Kelly; sentenced to 10 years for Lawson attack; then death for PPM, commuted to life, then to 10 years for Parnell Commission testimony; released 1889
    • Daniel Curley[ppm 1] [initial Director] — [made own way to Park]; went to prep getaway cab; executed 18 May
    • Michael Fagan[ppm 1] — [made own way to Park]; went to prep getaway cab; executed 28 May
    • Joe Hanlon[ppm 1] — went to prep getaway cab; see further under Informers
    • James Fitzharris "Skin-the-Goat" — drove Hanlon Carey Smith to Park; took Carey and Smith to Lodge to notify Brady; took Hanlon Curley Fagan away; convicted of conspiracy
    • Michael/Myles Kavanagh — drove Brady Kelly Caffrey Delaney to Park, and back via Fifteen Acres; see further under Informers
  • Left Park before murders:
    • James Carey — notified Brady of Burke's approach, then left; see further under Informers
    • Joseph Smith — spy in Castle as labourer; came and left scene with Carey; see further under Informers
  • Accessories:
    • Edward O'Brien — tried
    • Peter Doyle — tried
    • William Moron[e]y — tried
    • La[u/w]rence Hanlon [brother of Joe][ppm 1] — tried; life for attack on Field, released 1899
    • Joseph Mullet — tried
    • Hamilton Williams [doctor in England] — supplied weapons (surgical knives)
    • Mary Ann Byrne [Frank Byrne's wife] — courier for weapons; arrested in France, released, emigrated to USA
  • Informers
    • James Mullet [initial Director] — held on remand from March 1882 re 25 February murder of a police informer; released in June after naming JCarey DCurley Fitzharris; tried
    • Robert Farrell — arrested for Field attempt
    • Michael Kavanagh[ppm 1] — gave up Fitzharris Caffrey Delaney [leading to their arrests]; on Pathan, died young of alcohol and/or insanity
    • James Carey [initial Director] — gave up Byrne Tynan Sheridan McCafferty Walsh Egan [all already abroad], denied recognising Mary Ann Byrne; emigrated to South Africa, murdered
    • Joseph Smith [see above] — approver; on Pathan
    • Peter Carey see below — approver
    • Joe Hanlon[ppm 1] — approver at Kelly's third trial; on Pathan
    • John Kenny (alleged) — murdered
  • Others accused
    • Thomas Martin — arrested
    • Daniel Delaney [brother of Patrick] — arrested
    • Edward McCaffrey [initial Director] — arrested
    • Henry Rowles — arrested
    • John Dwyer — arrested
    • Peter Carey [brother of James] — arrested; see further under Informers
    • Patrick Whelan — arrested
    • George Smith — arrested
    • Patrick Joseph Percy Tynan[ppm 2] — escaped to USA
    • Patrick Egan [treasurer of the Land League] — escaped to USA
    • John Walsh [Land League organiser in Middlesbrough] — arrested in France, released, fled to USA
    • P. J. Sheridan [Land League organiser; misleading codename "Number 1"] — escaped to USA
    • Captain John McCafferty — escaped to USA
  • Other INI associates
    • Frank Byrne — secretary of GB Land League; impetus for formation
  • Avengers
    • Patrick O'Donnell (Invincible) — killed James Carey, executed
      • article needs major copy editing. And doubt he himself was in INI so dab wrong
    • Joseph Poole — killed Kenny, executed

Legacy

Depictions

Sources

Citations

Military discharge for Parliamentary candidates

Rules
  • 1885–1914 "Active servicemen were always free to vote or stand for parliament themselves.[n58—Officers elected as MPs were placed on half-pay and often expected to retire. No man from the other ranks is known to have stood for parliament during this period. For a summary of the rules governing the candidature of servicemen see Report of the Committee on Parliamentary Etc. Candidature of Crown Servants, BPP, 1925, Cmd. 2408, pp. 4–6.]"[24]
  • Servants of the Crown (Parliamentary Candidature) Order 1927.
    • this Report says order was based on recommendations of Cmd.2408 (Blanesburgh Committee 1925 Report of the Committee on Parliamentary, etc., Candidature of Crown Servants Breviate pp.34–35)—see HC Deb 7 August 1925 vol 187 cc1703-4
    • "Article 16 of the Order in Council, dated the tenth day of January, nineteen hundred and ten, relating to His Majesty's civil establishments and the conditions of service therein, is hereby revoked."
      • Ed Gaz 1910-01-14 no.12212 p56 "Any officer seeking a seat in the House of Commons shall resign his office so soon as he issues his address to the electors, or in any other manner publicly announces himself as a candidate."—means civil service officer, not military officer. 1927 order applied to civil and military "Crown Servants", revoked 1910 provision which only applied to civil Servants, did not revoked any other provision, which might have applied to military servants; ergo no pre-1927 order applied to military servants. Does not imply no military regulation applied, but any such was not based on an order in Council.
    • [2nd report of 27 Jun 1963 p.56–57] "3. In 1924 a Committee was appointed under the Chairmanship of Lord Blanesbourgh to enquire into the existing regulations governing candidature for Parliament ; the Committee recommended that the ( then ) existing ban on Parliamentary Candidature , without resignation , should be maintained for the whole of the non - industrial Civil Service ( Cmd . 2408 ) . They further recommended that industrial employees in the Service departments ( who like all industrial civil servants had hitherto been treated on more or less the same lines as non- industrials in the matter of Parliamentary Candidature ) should be free to stand as Parliamentary candidates without resigning . The Committee was divided on the question whether the latter freedom should be extended to industrials employed in other departments . The Government adopted those recommendations of the Blanesbourgh Committee which are unanimous and to give effect to them the Servants of the Crown ( Parliamentary Candidature ) Order 1927 ... 4. ... June 1949 Cmd . 7718. It recommended that the existing rules forbidding civil servants to stand for Parliament until after resignation should be retained in the case of all grades above a line of demarcation drawn above industrials and minor and manipulative grades."—so 1925/7 change was to restrict non industrials in armed services, 1949 change was to derestrict industrials [and others] in civil service.
  • 1941 Report From The Select Committee On Offices or Places of Profit Under The Crown (recommendations formed basis of House of Commons Disqualification Act 1957; history and status report summarised in Erskine May 1946 from p198; pp 209–210 summarise armed forces info)
    • ss. 31–32: Since C19, MPs by convention stood for reelection on receiving a first commission. The 1927 order and consequent service regulations codified previous practice that active service personnel could not stand for election.
    • s. 33 Select Committee recommended Act of Parliament to copper fasten 1927 provision and Constitutional benefit of keeping active personnel of of politics
  • 1939 relaxed ban for WW2 by Act House of Commons (Service in His Majesty's Forces) Act 1939
    • Hansard "The incapacity, if any, arises under Section 24 of the Succession to the Crown Act, 1707. That Section applies to new offices, that is to say, offices created in 1705. The present statutory position is a little complicated, and the Bill is in quite general terms. For example, officers in the Royal Air Force are taken care of by Section 4 of the Royal Air Force Act, 1917. Officers of the Territorial and Reserve Forces are provided for by Sections 33 and 36 of the Territorial and Reserve Forces Act. The reason for a Bill of this kind arises in regard to the acceptance by Members of the House of membership in His Majesty's Forces under active service conditions. It is a possible view that, in spite of the development of these forces, all positions in them are old offices, because there were an Army and a Navy in 1905 [sic; ?recte 1705?]. This Bill will remove any doubt"
      • s24 1707 reads "AND be it further enacted by the Authority aforesaid That no Person who shall have in his own Name or in the Name of any Person or Persons in Trust for him or for his Benefit any new Office or Place of Profit whatsoever under the Crown which at any Time since the Five and twentieth Day of October in the Year of our Lord One thousand seven hundred and five have been created or erected or hereafter shall be created or erected nor any Person who shall be Commissioner or Sub - Commissioner of Prizes Secretary or Receiver of the Prizes nor any Comptroller of the Accompts of the Army nor any Commissioner of Transports nor any Commissioner of the sick and wounded nor any Agent for any Regiment nor any Commissioner for any Wine Licences nor any Governor ( or ' ] Deputy Governor of any of the Plantations nor any Commissioners of the Navy imployed in any of the Out Ports nor any Person having any Pension from the Crown during Pleasure shall be capable of being elected or of sitting or voting as a Member of the House of Commons in any Parliament which shall be hereafter summoned and holden"
    • 1941 PMQ "An Army officer or soldier or a woman in the military service of the Crown who wishes to become a parliamentary candidate is required first to obtain the permission of the Army Council through the normal channels. This is in order that prospective candidates may be prevented from unintentionally infringing the requirements of the Servants of the Crown (Parliamentary Candidature) Order, 1927. No differentiation is made between officers and other ranks, and no application submitted in this way has been refused."
  • 1944 Order? relaxed further
  • Servants of the Crown (Parliamentary Candidature) Order 1950 tightened—
    • and revoked both the 1927 order and the Servants of the Crown (Parliamentary Candidature) (Amendment) Order 1950
    • Order preceded and compelled subsequent changes to service regulations for Navy et al
  • 1957 Act
    • Hansard
      • HC 2R "Clause 1 (4). This Clause embodies the recommendation of the Select Committee, expressed in paragraph 4 of its Report, that the Bill should not adopt what it called the reverse method of disqualification, that is to say, the provision, common in a large number of Acts of Parliament, disqualifying Members of this House from holding certain offices instead of disqualifying the holders of those offices from membership of this House. ..[I]f the ... reverse disqualification, were effected .... by listing the offices concerned, ... [i]t could scarcely, for example, apply to a serving soldier since it would enable him to obtain his discharge by obtaining election to this House."
    • JSTOR 1091912 background and summary
    • JSTOR 1091683 summary of Special Report from the Select Committee on the House of Commons Disqualification Bill (H. C. 349 of 1955-1956
  • Servants of the Crown (Parliamentary Candidature) 1960 Order
  • 1962-12-18 Minister announces, House approves, temporary complete ban on special treatment of elections (as opposed to other "non-compassionate" reasons for discharge)
    • 1st report of 6 Feb 1963 discusses implementation to that date
    • Maybe 2nd report of 27 Jun 1963 completes picture up to March by-elections?
  • 1963-02-18 Minister announces, House approves, "temporary" implementation of Sel Cttee's recommendation of "advisory Committee", pending more satisfactory solution which might need Act
    • 2nd report of 27 Jun 1963 discusses implementation to that date

Notes

AC 13206 King's Regulations for the Army:[25]

  • J5.584. Members of the regular Armed Forces of the Crown are disqualified from membership of the House of Commons (House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975) and from election to the European Parliament (European Parliamentary Act 1978). Such SP must therefore apply for permission to retire voluntarily or resign or be granted a free discharge from the Service before their formal adoption as a Parliamentary candidate or prospective candidate. Such SP must complete their last day of Service before formal adoption as a candidate or prospective candidate.
  • J5.585. No regular SP or member of the Reserve Forces when serving on a full time Service commitment or additional duties commitment shall issue an address to electors or in any other manner publicly announce themselves or allow themselves to be publicly announced as a candidate or a prospective candidate for election to:
    • a. UK Parliament, European Parliament, Scottish Parliament or Parliament of the Irish Republic for an parliamentary constituency;
    • b. the Northern Ireland Assembly or the National Assembly for Wales for any assembly constituency;
    • c. any legislative assembly of the Commonwealth, or as a
    • d. Police and Crime Commissioner.
  • J5.586. Any SP to whom para J5.585 applies and who desires to stand as a candidate or who seeks election as in para J5.585 must make an application through normal Service channels to retire voluntarily or to resign or to be granted a free discharge. Such an application should be made as early as possible. Approval of an application will depend on the exigencies of the Service. On leaving the Service, an unsuccessful candidate will have no right to reinstatement. A candidate or prospective candidate must take all steps within their power to ensure that no public announcement of their candidature is made before they have retired, resigned or been discharged.

Select Committee on parliamentary elections

1962-63 HC sessional papers vol. 7 "Select Committee on parliamentary elections"

  • HC 1962-63 vii (111) 951 First report 6 Feb 1963
  • HC 1962-63 vii (262) 957 Second report 27 Jun 1963
    • most witnesses on 15 Jan, and hence most if not all documents submitted before then

p.x sec.30

Your Committee consider that the choice before the House lies between three of the solutions which they have examined , namely : -
(i) a return to the arrangements introduced on 18th December 1962;
(ii) the continuation of the current arrangements, based on the resolution of the House of 18th February 1963;
(iii) the introduction of a scheme for transfer to a reserve, of the kind outlined in this Report.

p8 q73 So that there was the 1944 arrangement which worked until 1950, then there was the 1950 arrangement which worked until 1962, and now there is this current one? —Yes.

p15

115. Do I understand that the only existing applications are about 65 to the Royal Air Force, about 40 to the Admiralty and about 12 to the War Office by serving personnel at present, to fight a Parliamentary By-election? —Yes.
116. Have they applied to fight a specific By-election? Have they named, for example, either Colne Valley or Rotherham? —Yes.
117. And were these applications made since the Secretary of State's announcement, or were they existing at the time when he made that announcement? —They were existing at that time.
118. And have any been received since that time? —The answer is none, broadly speaking.
119. I read in the newspapers – which I sometimes believe – that hundreds have arrived at Rotherham and at Colne Valley. You know nothing about that, I suppose ? (Mr. Montgomery.) The applications you read about in the newspapers are applications to the Town Clerk or to the Returning Officer in those two places. They are expressing interest and asking for forms; but that is a different thing from a man putting in an application to his service for permission to be discharged for the purpose of fighting an election.
120. There is clearly a very substantial difference between the number of men who have written for forms and the number of men who have followed that up by applying to the appropriate department? —Yes.
Mr. Redhead. 121. Might it not be because of the Home Secretary's announcement? —Yes.

Tom Driberg minutes 13 Feb

  • p25 (memo sec.7) — 'The latest [<Feb 6] total number of possible nominees for Rotherham is 497. But (a) this is an increase of only 14 on the figure announced on 21st December, 1962 (so there is no continuing "flood", but a modest trickle); and (b) on that date the Town Clerk of Rotherham, as reported in the Guardian next day, said that he was now getting a large number of letters from cranks and people who just want some nomination papers to show their friends in the local", and that Service applicants were fewer than half the total."
  • pp26-27 q206 [Chairman] Your Memorandum reached us just as we were finishing our first Report, and we hoped that you would not take it amiss that we did not mention it there, because we thought it would be more courteous to you to give you the opportunity of amplifying it and developing your arguments here. ...[Driberg] it was rather a long statement [18 Dec in HC] and was so skilfully drafted that I did not realise at the time that it meant that an immediate change in procedure was being introduced ... I have been a little disconcerted since then to learn from correspondence from constituents that some changes have already been introduced
  • p30 q223 mentions Army has suspended discharge by purchase "until May".
    • elsewhere in Rpt there is more discussion of changes to discharge policy in the early 60s unrelated to the election issue

p40 et seq, Ministry of Defence memo. Sec.3 says 112 applications received for "forthcoming by-elections"

Hansard

HC Deb 18 December 1962

An alternative approach is to say that applications by members of the Armed Forces to leave the Service in order to contest parliamentary elections would be treated in exactly the same way as applications to leave on any other non-compassionate ground. [...]
In the circumstances, the Government propose that we deal with this difficult problem as follows. For the immediate future we would adopt what I might call the administrative approach which I have outlined above. At the same time, we propose that a Select Committee of the House of Commons be appointed to study the whole problem

HL Deb 18 December 1962 "I will repeat a statement which is now being made in another place by my right honourable friend the Home Secretary"

HC Deb 20 December 1962 Select Committee appointed

HC Deb 18 February 1963

We have put this to a Select Committee, both sides of the House, which has given it urgent consideration and has put a recommendation to us. My suggestion to the House is that we should accept and pass the Motion, but that we should do it—I am certain that all members of the Select Committee would accept this, too—on the understanding that this is a first and interim Report, that we are not satisfied and, indeed, we are not clear—let us be frank about it—in our own minds what the final solution should be, but we feel that a solution must be found more in consonance with the traditions of the House than the one that I recommend as a temporary measure to the House tonight.
Question put and agreed to.
Resolved, That it is expedient that an advisory Committee should be appointed by the Home Secretary to examine every application for release from the armed forces for the purpose of contesting a parliamentary election, and to report to the appropriate Service Minister, in each case, whether or not they are satisfied that it is a bona fide application.

Questions

  • was it a plot point in a sitcom episode eg The Army Game? IIRC an article in eg The Guardian says so
  • did national service men apply or just regular forces? —Rpt2 qq83-5 mention national service
  • discharge by purchase was £250, electoral deposit was £150: cheaper but not massively so. (But Rpt2 q82, no auto right to buy out. Original wheeze was not allowed to buy out; later wheeze maybe also save cost of buying out.)
  • officers can resign commission; what was the difference between that and discharge for election? Maybe revisit assertion that auto-discharge originally applied (say in 19C) to gentleman officers; maybe rather it was to put enlisted ranks (say in 1920s) on equal footing with officers? OTOH maybe resigning commissions became non automatic (say in 1920s)
    • Rpt2 p15 q145 "If in fact in the Order in Council of 1950 you are returning to the situation as it was before the 1939 Act, then you are returning to a world which is in fact made for officers , because the other ranks were completely out of this"
  • were officers in fact disqualified prior to 1957 Act? What of "honourable and gallant members"? Maybe some were reserve officers.
    • Rpt discusses, last active service officer MP was in the late 40s?
  • Any Hansard discussion of Second Rpt of 27 Jun 1963?
  • Any change from decision of HC 18 February 1963? Well the vetting committee was appointed a few days later.

Eastern rites and churches

Table with columns for rites, autocephalous church, Eastern Catholic Church, US portion of each

Viceregal thrones

Throne Room in Dublin Castle

Summary

I think there were three or four thrones in Dublin Castle pre-1922:

  • A single throne in the Throne Room, plain red upholstery, with footstool, sword of state resting on arms, and two maces flanking; presumably used by LL in official executive functions (although Irish Privy Council chamber was a separate room; perhaps a fourth seat there for LL, though probably not call a throne).
    • Still on display in its old location in the Throne Room
  • A pair of thrones in St Patrick's Hall, with Royal Arms on back, I guess used by LL and Vicereine during social season
    • One repurposed in 1938 as inauguration chair for President; kept in St Patrick's Hall permanently but off in a corner since replacement in 2011 by new inauguration chair. Reupholstered in 2025 as seen on Nationwide.
    • The other repurposed in 1922 as Cathaoirleach's chair?
      • But IFS Senate clerk Donal O'Sullivan in 1966 clearly recalled that it was the Chief Secretary's chair from the Council chamber that became the Cathaoirleach's chair.[26]
        • But Dublin Civic Trust seems confident the Cathaoirleach's chair resembles the vicergal throne.
          Cathaoirleach's chair
          • It's just possible the same chair did double duty? Perhaps, even, the LL and CS chairs in PC chamber were only brought to St Patrick's Hall when the viceregal court was in session? But that seems impractical pennypinching.
          • Alternatively, there was a job lot of three or four identical chairs; two in Patrick's Hall and one or two in PC chambers
        • 1918 photo of meeting in Council Chamber does not suggest a special chair for the LL
        • But Examiner report of 1922 handover "The Viceroy stood at first at the fireplace at the northern end of the apartment … the seats on the right-hand side of the Lord Lieutenant’s Chair … were occupied by Mr. Michael Collins and two of his colleagues"
    • Ceann Comhairle's chair seems less elaborate (image from 2022 article; already present in c. 1945 image)
  • John Ross writes of "the high chair that does duty as a throne" in the Council chamber in 1921.[27]

Also

Lords

House of Lords had separate throne (for king?) and chair of state (for LL)?

  • JHL 1761 state opening: "His Excellency the Lord Lieutenant, making a congé to the throne, ascended the same, and seated himself in the chair of state under the canopy"
  • "In the House of Lords, the Lord Lieutenant’s throne outshone that of the king at Westminster, and the Speaker’s chair was more magnificent than either." ulsterhistoricalfoundation—I think "Speaker" means of the Commons
  • File:Parlement D'Irlande.png— image of Lords in 1704 with LL on Throne, one chair either side, right occupied, left empty.
  • what happened to them after 1800? Are they still in Parliament House, Dublin?
    • Bankers Magazine Sept 1871 p232 "The Parliament House is now the Bank of Ireland. The chandelier of the House of Commons hangs in the examination hall of Trinity College, Dublin. The chair of the Speaker of the House of Lords is possessed by the Royal Irish Academy, and that of the Speaker of the Commons is in the board room of the Royal Dublin Society, formerly the dining-room of Leinster House. The Right Hon. John Foster, the Speaker, declined to surrender his mace to the government, saying, that until the body that intrusted it to his keeping demanded it, he would preserve it for them. It is now in the possession of his descendant, Lord Massarene"
    • donsdublin.wordpress "In the grand Meeting Room [of the RIA] you can find chandeliers and benches from the Irish House of Lords"

See also User:Jnestorius/Viceregal court

Notes 2

  • 20yo text needs total revamp. "one of three symbols of the Presidency" pfff
  • Gazette 1685 [Clarendon arrived "Dunlari", proceeded to Castle] "His Excellency went immediately to the Council Chamber, where the Lords Justices and the Lords of the Privy Council received him wich all the demonstrations of Honour and Respect imaginable. His Excellency havirg presented His Majesties Letter to thc Lords Justices, and his Commission being read, took the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy; After which, the Sword of State was delivered to his Excellency by both the Lords Justices, and his Excellency took his Seat in the Chair of State."
  • 1782 Portland replaced Grafton, who was to injured to go from Lodge to Castle to hand over: "Upon his Lordship's Arrival at the Lodge in the Park, he was introduced in Form to the Duke of Portland, who received him sitting in a Chair of State. After a short Conference, a Procession was made to the Chamber in which the Council were assembled, where his Lordship's Commission was read, and the Oaths administered to him; after which, Lord Temple having received the Sword from his Grace the Duke of Portland, the Great Guns in the Park were fired, and answered by the Regiments on Duty. His Excellency then returned to the Castle"
  • 1851 chapter of order in Castle: "The Knights Companions, in their Mantles and Collars only, and the Officers of the Order in their Mantles, Ribands, and Badges, assembled in the Entrée Room of Dublin Castle. At two o'clock the Knights were called over by Ulster, and, preceded by the Officers of the Order, proceeded to the Chapter Room, where His Excellency the Grand Master was seated in the Chair of State, and the Knights Companions took their places at the table according to their respective Stalls."
  • 1855 ditto "At Twelve o'Clock the Knights were called over by Ulster, and proceeded to the presence of the Grand Master, who was seated in the Chair of State in the Presence Chamber, and the Knights Companions took their respective seats at the table according to their Stalls"
  • 1859 ditto "At three o'clock P.M. the Knights Companions were called over by Ulster, and proceeded to the presence of the Grand Master, who was seated in the Chair of State in the Throne Room, and they with their usual reverences, took their respective seats at the table, according to their stalls."
  • 1864 ditto "At Three o'Clock P.M., the Knights Companions were called over, and proceeded to the presence of the Grand Master, who was seated in the Chair of State in the Throne Boom, and, with the usual reverences, took their respective seats at the table, according to their Stalls. The Roll of Knights was then called over by Ulster King of Arms. ... By command of the Grand Master, the two Junior Knights present proceeded to the door of the Chapter Room, and conducted Lord Lurgan between them to the right of the Chair of State, Ulster bearing the Ensigns of the Order before them on a velvet cushion, whereupon the Declaration appointed by the Statutes was read by the Prelate to Lord Lurgan, who thereupon subscribed the said Declaration, which was placed by the Secretary in the Register of the Order."—so Chapter Room is another name for Presence Chamber/Throne Room when a chapter of the Order is being held there.
  • John Dunton 1698 (Teague Land) "the Presence chamber ... has a chair of state with a canopy over it" JSTOR 25508879 p169 ISBN 781851826841 {{isbn}}: Check isbn value: length (help) p139
  • Dublin Civic Trust Tweets thread 2025
  • Order of St Patrick 1783 investiture
    p40: "On their arrival in the Great Ball Room the different persons who composed the procession proceeded to the places assigned them, and his Excellency being covered and seated in the chair of state, the King at Arms presented to him his Majesty's letter, which his Excellency delivered to the Right Honorable John Hely Hutchinson, Secretary of State, who read the same aloud, during which time his Excellency and the Assembly remained standing and uncovered. His Excellency being again seated, Ulster presented to him the blue ribband and badge of Grand Master, with which his Excellency invested himself. His Excellency then signified his Majesty's pleasure, that the Great Ball Room should be stilled the Hall of St. Patrick," [... follows the investiture of the officers and then the knights]
    p44: "A procession was then made from St. Patrick's Hall to the Prefence Chamber, where the Lord Lieutenant received the compliments of the Knights of the Order, and of a numerous assembly of nobility and gentry, who testified their satisfaction in this distinguished mark of the royal favor to this kingdom."
    https://books.google.com/books?id=XkBfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA59 pp59–60]: St Patrick's Cathedral had stalls for King and Prince of Wales; LL paid reverence to King's and sat in Prince's
  • I think it was recently reupholstered, as shown on Nationwide... yes RTE 2025/1105:
    part of a pair made for Britain's Queen Victoria and Albert when they first visited Ireland in 1849. The throne was a centre-piece for royal visits to the castle when it was the seat of British rule in Ireland. Mr Derham described the throne's adaptation for Douglas Hyde's inauguration in 1938: The royal crown was taken off the top and the monogram VR was removed, and it had an embroidered harp placed on the back of it. Now 87 years since it was used in the first presidential inauguration and in need of a major overhaul, the former throne was regilded in Belfast and then reupholstered at the OPW Furniture Division in Kilmainham. On its return to Dublin Castle, the 1938 chair coverings, embroidered with shamrocks and the State harp, were carefully reattached by textile conservator Karen Horton.
  • If the Viceregal thrones were a pair, what happened to the second one? Per DCT it's for the Cathaoirleach of the Seanad (I guess that reflects the Free State Seanad). In fact we should talk about the thrones plural, since who knows whether the Viceroy always used the same one of the two, and if so, whether it's the Seanad one or the Castle one.
  • Where was non-Seanad one from 1922 to 1938? And indeed Seanad one from 1936 to 1938?
  • Did the Governor-General of the Irish Free State use it, or any viceregal regalia? Given the hesitation in using the Viceregal Lodge, maybe not.
  • Maybe move to Irish Presidential Chair per dublincastle.ie
  • As distinct from replacement presidential inauguration chair per thejournal Per DCT 2011 was "Year of Craft"; marking 40 years of the Irish Craft Council per rte 2011;
  • Lords Justices of Ireland says "A newly arrived Lord Lieutenant would be escorted in state from Dunleary (later Kingstown) harbour to the Presence Chamber of Dublin Castle, where the Lords Justices were seated. The party would proceed to the Council Chamber, where the Lord Lieutenant would present his letters patent to the Privy Council, and another letter to the Lords Justices demanding the handover of the sword of state."
  • Maybe discuss both 2011 and earlier in one article? But not if two viceregal thrones.
  • See the Wood from the Trees By Marion McGarry, Dermot O'Donovan 2018 ISBN 9781912465026 — maybe timber from trees in Aras garden felled by storm in 2013/4?
  • Where do the two Pres chairs live? Tweet suggest throne still in Dublin Castle but in a corner, not in St Patrick's Hall. Maybe 2011 chair is there, maybe in Aras except on inauguration. More likely Castle.
  • Making Majesty: The Throne Room at Dublin Castle, a Cultural History ISBN 9781911024729 — cover photo shows plush armchair in Throne Room at present
    • p49 after 1788 "old Presence Chamber" [now Dining Room] replaced by new one in "old Guard Chamber" aka "Battle-Axe Hall"
    • p98 1839 report on revamp of Presence Chamber, new "throne and canopy of state".
    • p101 photo throne room, Buck Pal, with two chairs similar to Dublin pair
    • p120 1839 replace royal arms behind throne [not on back of seat of throne?]
    • p123 Heytsesubry swearing in 1844 proceeds between Throne/Presence room and Council chamber;
    • p124 Ill Lon News 1869 drawing of LL standing on throne dais at State Reception
    • p125 Ill Lon News 1855 drawing Ord St Pat investiture ceremony
    • p126 Abercorn's sons surreptitiously played with mace and sword in throne room
    • p178 1822 levee in St Pats Hall with canopy and throne at one end of
    • p223 sword of state placed above throne when room was in use
    • p224 Geo.4 sat on throne during 1821 visit before hearing loyal addresses; 1849 Lon Illus News of Victoria and Albert in front of single throne
    • p226 Vict 1849 and Prince of Wales 1868 stood in front of throne, did not sit on it. Photo for 1897 visit (Duke Duchess York) of two thrones in St Pat's Hall "arrangement echoes that of the [Dublin] Presence Chamber" [ie at one end rather than in the middle of one side]
    • p230 after 1900, St Pats not Pres Cham was focus for royal visits; consorts came 1903 1911 so two thrones needed
    • p231 "in addition to the King’s throne in the Throne Room of Dublin Castle, there is another royal throne in St Patrick’s Hall"
    • p265 throne, canopy, sword of state in Throne Room
    • p266 gilt throne ruby velvet
    • p275 1915 Throne Room military hospital; throne "likely moved into storage in the area below George's Hall"
    • pp282-3 1923 Throne Room made Court No. 4, canopy and throne removed
    • p288-9 1941 fire gutted "Old Presence Chamber" next to Throne Room
    • p289 prose, and p290 figs 09.12 09.13 captions St Pat's Hall viceregal throne c.1849, Irish Presidential Chair 1938-2011; crown and VR monogram removed, reupholstered
    • p292 in 1959 door sealed in 1780s reopened, throne and canopy moved from in front of it
    • p300 throne room restored 1964-6
    • p304 throne re-gilded 1992; 2011 state visit Eliz2 and McAleese bypassed room (symbolic?)
    • p305 St Pat's Hall and "one of its two thrones" used for Pres inaug; Throne Room per Dev and 1911 visit only for "smaller, more intimate meetings rather than larger ceremonies of state"
    • p.310 n110 other one is Cathaoirleach Seanad
  • other photos:
    • similar photo — I think credit to "Davison & Associates" is for the photo rather than the object
    • photo from 1912 book looks similar; credit "M. Lafayette, Dublin" — "James Stack Lauder, who used the professional name of James Lafayette"
    • NLI photos (taken by Robert French, part of the Lawrence Collection)
    • irishartsreview of same "Despite the removal, by various means, of royal statues, it is remarkable that the throne is in place today, particularly as a decision had to be taken to reinstate it following the room’s temporary use as a court of law and a significant reconstruction and reordering in the 1950s and 1960s."
  • 1833 Spectator p 918 "The Marquis WELLESLEY had arrived at Kingston harbour two days before, and proceeded to Dublin on Thursday. Several gentlemen went out on horseback to meet him; and the carriages of Lords ANGLESEA, MEATH, the Duke of LEINSTER, and others, formed part of the procession. There was no demonstration of popular feeling either favourable or adverse during his journey, till he entered the Castle-yard, when there was a single cheer. He was regularly installed Lord-Lieutenant, in the presence-chamber; and took his seat on the Viceregal throne, surrounded by Staff and Household."
  • 1909 book p59 throne in St Patrick's Hall, draped in rich crimson Irish poplin. Facing page is plate with another Throne Room photo
  • The Idler Drawing Room presenting debutantes to LL in Throne Room but he was standing in centre not sitting on throne
  • Truth 1882 p198—account of a "Drawing Room" contrasts with Idler account, in that Viceroy was [?sitting] with vicereine under canopy. Also p367 confirms Patrick's Hall and throne room are different rooms
  • Cassells 1898 pp238-240 photos of St Patrick's Hall with 2 thrones; text says Throne Room throne is William III
  • archiseek few posts of a thread on Leinster House discuss thrones and canopy
  • IT 1980 suggests on 1938 throne used at later reception, not initial swearing-in. Others agree early swearings in were 15min not 60 min
  • Recollections of Dublin Castle 1902 pp39-42 on St Pats Day ball in St Pats Hall mentions throne and dais
  • Dublin Castle in the life of the Irish nation p147 "The throne which graces [the Throne Room] is said to have been cut down to accommodate Queen Victoria, a very small woman, on her first visit to Ireland at the time of the Famine. It dates from the seventeenth century and was presented to the Castle by William III when he seized the throne of England."
  • 1852 reminiscences of 1825 at Theatre Royal, Dublin marchioness Wellesley entering theatre with husband: 'In grace, in beauty, and in dignity, she might have challenged competition with the proudest of England's coronetted matrons, and filled the viceregal chair beside her noble consort as if she had been "native and to the manner born."'—maybe a pair of thrones existed prior to those created for Victoria's visit, but more likely these chairs were specific to Theatre Royal.
  • Dublin Castle 1889 p15 "The Presence Chamber is over the colonnade, and was formerly the Yeoman's Hall. The throne and canopy are covered with crimson velvet, richly ornamented with gold lace. ... St. Patrick's Hall, used for the installation of the Knights of the Order of St. Patrick, is also a ball room"
  • dublincastle.ie/the-irish-sword-of-state
    • sword of state rested on throne niches and taken to London Dec 1922
    • sword used at 1921 Parliament of Northern Ireland inauguration; what thrones are in the picture of that under LL and Vicereine? New bespoke NI ones or Dublin ones brought up for the occasion?
  • National Museum acquired "the presidential chair of Douglas Hyde" in 1988[28]
  • "In 1759 the Duke of Bedford, a quiet, easy-going man, was frightened out of his wits by a mob which forced its way into the Castle and established an old woman smoking a clay pipe on the viceregal throne."
  • What about Irish House of Lords chamber, for speech from the throne?
  • doi:10.1353/ria.2011.a810657 p.166 17C Duke of Ormond entitled to three chairs of state in Kilkenny Castle
    • "Two chairs of state were installed in the Presence Chamber and the Castle became the focus of Court society, as well as Kilkenny Castle and Ormonde's other properties, which were used for official duties"[30]
    • "The magnificence to which Wentworth aspired in the 1630s was affected by Ormond in the 1660s... He installed chairs of state under canopies to denote the majesty which Ormond"[31]
  • 1768: Installation of LL John Russell, 4th Duke of Bedford as Chancellor of the University of Dublin:
    The Hall had been previously prepared by erecting a platform at the upper end, and a gallery for the musicians at the lower end. The platform was erected 2 feet 6 inches from the floor and railed in. At the back in the middle, under a canopy of green damask, and upon a semicircular step raised six inches above the level of the platform, was placed a chair for the Chancellor, on the right hand a chair for the Vice-Chancellor, and on the left another for the Provost. From these chairs on each side along the back and sides down to the rails were raised seats and forms, and on the right side, advanced before those seats, were placed two chairs of state for the Lord Lieutenant and his Lady. Over the door of the Hall, and eight feet above the floor, was erected the gallery for the musicians, and along the sides of the Hall, between the platform and gallery, were seats raised and forms placed, leaving a passage in the midst seven feet wide. On the right side, next to the platform, part of the seats were enclosed as a box for the reception of such ladies of quality whom the Chancellor should invite. The platform with its steps, the gallery and the seats, were covered with green broadcloth. The passage through the midst of the Hall was covered with carpeting, and the semicircular step under his Grace’s chair ornamented with a rich carpet."
  • Gilbert 1896 An Account of the Parliament House Dublin mostly throne for LL, esp re speech, but some "chair of state" separate from throne. Contrast trial of peers, Chancellor on seat below throne but not woolsack.
  • 2025 "the Ceann Comhairle’s chair has brown leather upholstery and sturdy padded brown armrests. The round spoon-shaped back is not very high. It looks heavy when the usher heaves it out from the desk before the Ceann Comhairle sits. It’s very highly sprung ... has been in situ for at least 40 years and has been re-covered on numerous occasions."[32]

Sheriff and high sheriff in Ireland

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Four sheriffs (one each for Dublin city, for County Dublin, for Cork city, and for County Cork) add names and move from high Sheriff

  • IT 1925/0627 Cork John Harley Scott [wd]
  • Dublin James Hubbard Clark
    • IT 1922/0712 On bench at Dublin City and County Sessions w Recorder and Lord Mayor (who also presided at County grand jury; no mention of county sheriff Richard St. John Jefferyes Colthurst, though death of sub-sheriff Ormsby noted.)
    • IT 1922/1003 voted condolence motion at Corpo meeting — Was he ex officio or parallel elected member? (a) In former case (1) did he have a vote? (2) did he stay on after 6-12-1922? (b) in latter case did council note his status as sheriff - (1) then? (2) after 6-12-1922? [note Corpo dissolved 20 May 1924]
    • IT 1926/0410

High sheriff#Ireland

Oireachtas
  • dail/1922-04-27 discussion is the report from the Department of Home Affairs
    • [P.J. RUTLEDGE] Mr. Meredith ... Republican Judge ... under what authority this gentleman recently acted in Waterford ... In conjunction, I presume, with the High Sheriff—probably the British High Sheriff—or by some other method, a Grand Jury was called
    • [E.J. DUGGAN] There is no machinery available under the Dáil Courts for providing juries, and I think what very probably happened is this: the local sheriff, regarding himself as an officer of the Provisional Government, acted on an order which he got from some official of the Dáil, and got the jury. ... they had the right, while acting as judges of the Dáil Courts, to practise in the British Courts ... I am sorry to learn that my friend, Deputy McEntee, got a communication from the Dáil Office on Provisional Government paper. It was a typist's error
  • dail/1922-12-19 Local Elections Postponement Bill
    • [Mr. BLYTHE] I move to delete Sub-section 5. This Sub-section was put in for the purpose of making it quite clear that the elections of Lord Mayors, Mayors, Chairmen and Vice-Chairmen would take place in January as usual and would not be postponed, as it is not intended that the election should take place. The clause has no longer any purpose in remaining in the Bill. ... There are practically no other statutory duties. There is the nomination for High Sheriffs, but that will not affect this. Then there is only the elections of committees, and so on.
  • dail/1926-03-11 COURT OFFICERS BILL, 1926—SECOND STAGE.
    • [Kevin Christopher O'Higgins] One matter lying outside the general question of courts' staffs is the position of high sheriff and under-sheriff. In an Act passed in 1920, the Sheriffs (Ireland) Act, the power of the high sheriff was reduced to two simple duties. He had the duty of summoning grand juries and the duty of attending in a ceremonial way on the High Court Judge when going on Assize. That was the position prior to the passing of our Courts of Justice Act. Since the passing of our Act the duty of the high sheriff is to summon a grand jury which does not exist and to wait upon a judge who does not go out on Assize. There is, in fact, no duty attaching to the office now. Since the passing of the Courts of Justice Act it has simply been an empty title without any single duty attaching to it. Deputies, therefore, will not rise up in revolt at the proposal to abolish the office of high sheriff.
    • [Mr. HEWAT] Are there no statutory obligations imposed on the sheriff?
    • [Mr. O'HIGGINS] None on the high sheriff. He has no duties or powers. He has simply a title and we beg leave to withdraw it. With regard to the under-sheriff, the position, of course, is different, and the proposal in the Bill is very different.
  • seanad/1926-06-15 COURT OFFICERS BILL, 1926—THIRD STAGE. (RESUMED)
    • [Mr. HAUGHTON] "To delete the section and to substitute therefor a new section as follows:— "50.—No appointment shall be made to the office of high sheriff after the passing of this Act: provided that the tenure of any existing high sheriff shall in no case be affected." That amendment covers two High Sheriffs who have been more prominently before the public than any other gentlemen holding these distinguished positions. They undertook the office of High Sheriff at a time when considerable trouble and danger existed. Thank goodness things are very different now, a state of affairs which has been largely brought about, we all recognise, by the admirable administration of the present Government. The duties of the sheriffs have been very onerous and have caused no expense whatever to the country. They have been quite an acquisition, I believe, to the metropolis and to the South of Ireland. It is very generally admitted that the Commissioners are functioning admirably both in Dublin and in Cork, courteously, efficiently, and in a progressive spirit.
    • [Mr. O'HIGGINS] He talked at some length about the position of Commissioners for Cork and Dublin. I want to say all that has no bearing on the matter whatever. ... Since the Court of Justice Act the duties of a High Sheriff are nil. ... The Senator is anxious that the title should remain to the present holder in Cork, and, in an incidental kind of way, in Dublin. There is absolutely no point or sense in that. Why should we go out of our way in legislation to cater for what may be the very harmless vanity of an individual and say, "as long as you live you will be High Sheriff of Cork with no duties and no responsibilities"?

Mauvais quart[s] d'heure[s]

Wagner/Rossini

q:Richard Wagner#Quotes about Wagner "Monsieur Wagner a de beaux moments, mais de mauvais quart d'heures." Rossini 1867

  • Wikiquote cites "Gioachino Rossini, Letter to Emile Naumann, April 1867" "quoted in"
    • Emil Naumann Italienische Tondicher (2nd ed. 1883) vol. 4, p. 5
  • The Yale Book of Quotations
  • In fact 2nd ed is same pagination as first; "vol. 4, p. 5" makes no sense; it's p. 544 in single-volume 2nd ed. as in 1st ed.
  • quoteinvestigator has Naumann Italienische Tondicher 1st edition (1876, 1 vol)

Naumann Italienische Tondicher 1st edition (1876, 1 vol)

"Mr. Wagner a de beaux moments, mais de mauvais quart d'heures!"
  • but it was a conversation, not a letter, in April 1867 in Paris:[33]
    Ich hatte das Glück, unseren Meister im April 1867 ... in Paris kennen zu lernen; ein, bei meinem ersten Besuche, mit ihm geführtes Gespräch war zu charakteriſtiſch für denselben, um der Versuchung zu widerstehen es Ihnen hier mitzutheilen."
    I had the good fortune to meet our master in Paris in April 1867; a conversation I had with him during my first visit was so characteristic of him that I cannot resist the temptation to share it with you here.
  • Their introduction was effected by a letter from Pauline Viardot Garcia. Their conversation was apparently not in French after the beginning:[34]
    Nach den ersten, in französischer Sprache erfolgten Begrüßungen fund nachdem Rossini sich nach Frau Viardot-Garcia erkundigt, die mich durch ein freundliches Schreiben bei ihm eingeführt hatte
    After the initial greetings in French and after Rossini had inquired about Mrs. Viardot-Garcia, who had introduced me to him in a friendly letter
  • but that bon mot is in French in Naumann's original:[35]
    “O!” rief Rossini aus, “in dieser Beziehung bin ich ganz Ihrer Meinung und Niemandist entferner davon, die Origianlität des Schöpfers des Lohengrin anzuzweifeln, als ich; nur daß es uns der Componist mitunter recht schwer macht, das Schöne, was wir ihm verdanken, in dem Chaos von Tönen, das seine Opern enthalten, aufzufinden. Sie werden es selbst schon erfahren haben: Mr. Wagner a de beaux moments, mais de mauvais quart d’heures! Dennoch bin ich seiner bisherigen Laufbahn mit gespanntem Interesse gefolgt.”
    "Oh!" exclaimed Rossini, "in this respect I am entirely of your opinion, and no one is further from doubting the originality of the creator of Lohengrin than I am; it is just that the composer sometimes makes it quite difficult for us to find the beauty we owe him in the chaos of sounds contained in his operas. You will have heard it yourself already: Mr. Wagner has his beautiful moments, but also his bad quarters of an hour! Nevertheless, I have followed his career to date with keen interest."
  • When Rossini says to Naumann, Sie werden es selbst schon erfahren haben ["You will have heard it yourself already" or "You will have experienced this yourself"], what does "erfahren" mean?
    1. noticed while listening to Wagner's music?
    2. been told the quip while discussing Wagner with French speakers?
    In isolation, erfahren more likely translates as "experience" [which suggests reading #1] rather than "hear" [which is compatible with both readings #1 and #2]; but the context increases the plausibility of "hear", and perhaps something was lost in translation.

Dictionaries

In summary, quart d'heure used figuratively is synonymous with moment. Preceded with words meaning "good" or "bad", either may refer to a person's mood or to an event one is experiencing at a given instant. Thus bons et mauvais moments and bons et mauvais quarts d'heure each means "ups and downs" (either a person's moodiness or life's vicissitudes). The jocular alteration bons moments et mauvais quarts d'heure implies that the downs last longer than the ups.

Dictionnaire de l'Académie française (1798: 5th ed) sv "heure s.fém." v.1 p. 687 col.2

  • On dit, Passer d'agréables heures, pour dire, Passer agréablement le temps.
  • On dit aussi dans un sens contraire, Passer de mauvaises heures, passer un mauvais quart-d'heure.
  • On dit, qu'Un homme a de bons et de mauvais quarts-d'heures, pour dire, qu'll est d'humeur inégale et bizarre
Compare the 4th ed. (1762):
  • On dit, Passer de bonnes heures, d’agréables heures, pour dire, Passer agréablement le temps.
  • On dit aussi dans un sens contraire, Passer de mauvaises heures.
  • On dit encore, qu’Une personne, qu’une chose a donné de mauvaises heures à quelqu’un, pour dire, qu’Elle lui a donné beaucoup de chagrin.
  • On dit, qu’Un homme a de bonnes & mauvaises heures, pour dire, qu’Il est d’humeur inégale & bizarre.

Jean-Charles Laveaux

Heure, se dit des momens heureux ou malheureux de la vie.
Passer des heures agréables.
Les momens agréables que je passe avec lui, ne font souvenir des heures délicieuses que j'ai passées avec vous. ( Volt.)
Je fus seul dépositaire de cet affreux secret et la plus terrible heure de ma vie fut celle où je le portai dans le fond de mon cœur (J.J. Rouss.)
Vous avez toujours de bettes heures. ( Volt.)
Passer d'agréables heures.
Passer de mauvaises heures.
Passer un mauvais quart d'heure.
Sa femme lui a dônné, lui a fit passer de mauvais quarts d'heure.
Il y a dans la vie de bons et de mauvais quarts d'heure.

Dictionnaire de l'Académie française (1835: 6th ed) sv "heure s.f." v.1 p. 889 col.2

Fig. et fam., Passer un mauvais quart d'heure, Éprouver quelque chose de fâcheux. Il passera, a passé un mauvais quart d'heure. On lui a fait passer un mauvais quart d'heure.
Fig. et fam., Avoir de bons et de mauvais quarts d'heure, Être d'une humeur inégale et bizarre.

Littré 1874 ed; v4 ; p1403 ; sv QUART 2 s.m. ; 5° Un quart d'heure ; cf 1869 ed v.2 p. 1403 col.2 — I guess 1874 ed is same typesetting as 1869 ed, just split into 4 vols instead of 2?

  • Fig. Un mauvais, un méchant quart d'heure, quelque chose de fâcheux.
    Tout droit à la potence ; il est juste qu'il meure. — Carlin Courage ! il ne s'agit que d'un méchant quart d'heure, Thomas Corneille Don César D'Avalos (1674), iv, 7.
    Ah! quelle persécution, s'écria cette mère tout émue, quel quart d'heure pour moi ! Pierre de Marivaux, La Vie de Marianne, 10e part. (1742)
    Nous souhaitons tous dans mon canton, que toutes les heures de ces montres [achetées à Ferney par Catherine] vous soient favorables, et que Moustapha [le sultan] passe toujours de mauvais quarts d'heure, Voltaire. Letter to Catherine the Great, 30 avr. 1771.
    • Avoir de bons et de mauvais quarts d'heure, être d'une humeur inégale.
    • On dit dans un sens analogue : il a de bons moments et de mauvais quarts d'heure.

Trésor de la langue française informatisé sv QUART2 subs masc B. − En partic; 1. Quart d'heure; b) P. ext. Bref espace de temps.

[Avec un déterm. indiquant si le moment est agréable ou désagréable] Passer de bons quarts d'heure; faire passer un mauvais/un vilain quart d'heure à qqn.
  • J'assiste avec indifférence au spectacle de la vie, qui a ses quarts d'heure d'agrément (Murger, Scène vie jeun., 1851, p. 20).
  • Une cure d'insipidité, que cela est donc difficile! Mais après les mauvais quarts d'heure que j'ai passés, je crois que je me prêterais à tout (Valéry, Corresp. [avec Mme Gide], 1905, p. 405).
  • V.
    • ambler ex. 1
      Unis ainsi que la chair et l'ongle, ils respiraient ensemble à telles enseignes que l'un ne se mouchait pas sans l'autre, et quiconque eût entrepris d'empêcher ce commerce aurait passé positivement un mauvais quart d'heure. L. Cladel, Ompdrailles,1879, p. 170.
    • égal I B 2 a ex. de Montherlant
      Je le savais bien, que, malgré les apparences, tu n'étais pas de cœur avec eux! c'est égal, quel sale quart d'heure (Montherl., Exil,1929, III, 4, p. 83).
    • passer 2e Section I B 2 ex. de Labiche.
      Célimare: Parce que tu as été malheureux avec ta femme, tu vois des sinistres partout... Le fait est qu'on doit passer un mauvais quart d'heure quand on découvre la chose (Labiche, Célimare, 1863, i, 3, p.8)

Antedating Rossini

de Perne, Marquise (1724). "Vingt-sixième Lettre à M. le Duc de Vantadour". Lettres galantes et Poésies diverses (in French). Vol. I. Paris: Denys Mouchet. pp. 101–102.

Il y a quelque tems que je balance, je veux toûjours vous écrire, & ne vous écris jamais; je me croi si broüillée avec vous, que je n'ose presque hazarder cette Lettre: une seule chose me rassûre tout-à-fait, c'est qu'il y a de bons & de mauvais quarts d'heure: il faut oublier, s'il vous plaît, celui qui nous a separez, & regarder celui-ci qui peut nous rassembler comme une chose agreable qui pourroit vous faire un petit plaisir à vous Monsieur le Duc, & à moy le plus grand que j'aye eu en ma vie, s'il me procure encore quelque part dans l'honneur de vôtre amitié, & des liaisons avec vous: revenez, je vous en supplie, je vous diray de quoi il est question, vous ne serez pas faché de le sçavoir, & d'entendre jargonner mes petits sereins au son delicieux du luth de Monsieur le Marquis de Segur [wd] que vous aimez infiniment, & dont l'harmonie est au dessus de tout ce que l'on peut entendre vous en pouvez mieux juger qu'un autre: vous, Monsieur, qui connoissez les Muses, & qui faites tout ce que vous voulez de leur Apollon, & de la Musique.
Victoire Thomassin de la Garde Marquise de Perne [wd] (1646–1719)[36] to Louis Charles de Lévis.
her other book (sometimes ascribed to the Mse de Princé) was Le Comte de Tiliedate (1703), a roman à clef.[37]

1743 translation of Pamela; or, Virtue Rewarded (Just "mauvais quarts d'heure" ×3 in vol. 3, cross-checked with the original English from 1772 ed. Vol 3)

  • p216 Sans cela notre pauvre Enfant auroit trop souvent passé de mauvais quarts d'heure, lorsqu'elle auroit été obligée de sortir d'elle-même, (comme je vous ai ouï exprimer une fois) dans des compagnies où elle ne sauroit demeurer.
    • p183 [Thank God there are;] elſe our poor Child would have had a sad Time of it too often, when ſhe was obliged to ſtep out of herſelf, as once I heard you phraſe it, into Company you could not live with.
  • p338 Aussi m'ont-elles fait passer bien de mauvais quarts d'heure, depuis que cette action est venue à ma connoissance.
    • Indeed this Action has given me great Uneaſineſs at times ever ſince, and I cannot help it. p286
  • p512 Est-ce que sa vie dépendante est plus insupportable, que nos mauvais quarts d'heure, nos fatigantes chasses, nos infames intrigues?
    • p430 What Lab'rer toils like him, o'er Hill or Dale, / Whoſe Triumph is the Fox's Ear or Tail? [Poem is summarised rather than translated]

Madame **, auteur d'Élisabeth (1767) La Vertu persécutée, ou Lettres du colonel Talbert v2 p195 "Lettre XXV"

Voilà les seuls fruits que j'ai recueilli de cette journée de bienveillance..... Que de mauvais quarts-d'heure pour un bon!
[spent all day visiting fabric sellers for his fiancée; only reward was she ordered a dress in the colour he suggested and then smiled at him]

Sewrin (13 July 1812) L'hôtel en vente, ou Encore M. Guillaume: comédie-anecdote, en deux actes et en prose (Paris: Fages) Scene VI p.14

GERARD. Oh! monsieur, vous ne la connaissez pas : c'est une femme excellente, éconôme, sage, rangée, laborieuse mais entêtée à elle seule plus que vous et moi; c'est-à-dire, en supposant que vous le soyez.
M. GUILLAUME, riant à part. La comparaison est bien trouvée.
GERARD. Elle a de bons momens; mais elle a de mauvais quarts d'heure.

2 may 1818 letter from Jean Elleviou, cited in [38]

quand, en un mot, en véritable Lyonnais, j'établis une balance entre la peine et le plaisir, cette balance n'est pas toujours en faveur de ce dernier. Cependant, comme il y a de bons moments mêlés a ces mauvais quarts d'heure, on prend son mal en patience dans cette reine des cités.

Francis (baron d'Allarde), Armand d'Artois and Gabriel (de Lurieu) (1823) [perf. 31 December 1822] Guillaume, Gautier et Garguille, ou le Cœur et la Pensée, comédie grivoise en un acte, mêlée de couplets (Paris: Martinet; Huet-Masson; Barba) Scene III p.7

MAD. GUILLAUME:

Agiss'nt ils de même,
Ces maris qu'on aime?

Avec eux vraiment,
Qu'on rie ou qu'on pleure,
Qued' mauvais quarts-d'heure,
Pour un bon moment.

Théodore Anne (1797–1869) Mémoires souvenirs et anecdotes sur l'intérieur du Palais de Charles X, et les événements de 1815 à 1830 vol I pp. 64-5 (1831)

Napoléon n'était pas toujours d'une humeur agréable, et, comme le disait Camérani de Gavaudan, s'il avait de bons momens, il avait de mauvais quarts-d'heure.

Théophile Marion Dumersan and Nicolas Brazier (5 Sep 1833) Les actualités : vaudeville épisodique en un acte (Paris : J. N. Barba) p. 43

Français, Français, à présent tu le pleures
Nul n'est parfait dans les hommes éminens
Et s'il avait queq' fois d' mauvais quarts-d'heure
Il faut convenir qu'il avait d'beaux momens

Louis-Émile Vanderburch and Jean-François-Alfred Bayard, Les deux créoles : comédie-vaudeville en 2 actes Scene IV (9 Sep 1835) Le Magasin théâtral Année 2, Tome 3 p 16

[M. Destillet] Le bonheur d'un mari est très-inégal... il y a de bons momens et de mauvais quarts d'heure.... ça se compense.

François Verronnais [fr] (1835) Souvenirs des victoires et conquêtes des armées françaises depuis 1792 jusqu'en 1835 (Paris: Anselin) p. 154

Napoléon , comme tous les grands hommes, avait ses bons momens et ses mauvais quarts d'heure.

Jules David (1840) Frédéric le Lion (Paris: Werdet) v. 2 p. 230

Ma foi ! dit Frédéric imitant le laisser-aller de son interlocuteur, pendant les dix années que j'ai passées loin de toi, j'ai eu de bons moments; mais aussi j'ai connu de bien mauvais quarts d'heure.

Huart, Louis (1841). "II: Où l'auteur aborde franchement son sujet". Bibliothèque pour rire (in French). 1: Les physiologies parisiennes (4: La Grisette). Paris: Aubert; Lavigne: 2.

Le sort de la femme sur la terre n'est pas toujours des plus heureux; et bien qu'en ait dit nous ne savons plus quel monsieur, que Paris était l'enfer des chevaux et le paradis des femmes, il n'est pas bien certain que la grisette ait jamais rencontré dans la capitale toutes les joies du paradis. Elle peut quelquefois avoir de bons moments, mais aussi que de tristes quarts d'heure ! s'il nous est permis de nous exprimer ainsi.

Journal de Seine-et-Marne (Meaux: A. Carro) No 339 (11 Jan 1845) p. 2 "POLICE CORRECTIONNELLE; Scènes conjugales. — Le plaidoyer du mari."

Or ce n’est point cynisme chez lui; il n’a point une mauvaise figure cet homme, ce n’est point un de ces monstres de maris, un de ces tigres de maris, un de ces Barbes-bleues de maris toujours prêts à étrangler une femme ; il a de bons moments mais aussi de mauvais quarts d’heure, et surtout je vous l’ai dit, il a un système, et bonnes ou mauvaises, favorables ou fâcheuses pour lui, il en déduit et en adopte les conséquences.

de Meneval, Baron (1845). Napoléon et Marie-Louise: souvenirs historiques (in French). Vol. 7. Brussels: Société typographique belge, Ad. Wahlen et compagnie. p. 114.

Napoléon, comme tous les grands hommes, avait ses bons et ses mauvais quarts d'heure. On connaît la présence d'esprit de ce jeune lieutenant sorti de l'école militaire de Saint-Cyr, que l'empereur remercia du titre de capitaine parce que, son chapeau étant tombé, celui-ci s'était empressé de le lui présenter. Napoléon était alors dans un de ses bons moments. Le voici maintenant dans un de ses mauvais quarts d'heure.

Théodore Anne Gazette du Languedoc (Toulouse: Baillard) v.17 no.3304 (13 Jan 1847) "FEUILLETON DE LA GAZETTE DU LANGUEDOC; DE PARIS A FROHSDORFF; PAR LE CHEMIN LE PLUS LONG, QUI S'EST TROUVÉ ÊTRE LE PLUS COURT." p.2 col.1

Indépendamment des contes de fées, nous avons encore les Mille et une Nuits qui ne manquent ni de charme, ni d’intérêt. Là, généralement, il ne s’agit plus de fées, mais de génies qui n’ont pas de plus grand plaisir que de tourmenter les pauvres humains; pour tant ces mêmes génies, s’ils ont de mauvais quarts d’heure, ont quelquefois de bons moments, pendant lesquels ils rachètent leurs méfaits par de nobles actions... ce qui est plus moral....

Anonymous[39] (b. Paris 17 Oct 1750[40]) Mémoires d'un avocat de Paris (1847) (Angers) vol.3 p.211 fn.2

Un acteur fort célèbre de l’Opéra-Comique se vantait devant Camerani d’avoir eu de beaux moments dans un de ses rôles. C’est vrai, lui dit Camerani, mais il faut convenir, caro mio, que tu as eu de bien mauvais quarts d’heure.

Met. Mag. 1849 p.20 27 May 1848 letter from Paris

I begin to suspect that, although Ledru-Rollin is the greater ruffian, Lamartine is the more dangerous politician of the two. He, unfortunately, has his bons momens, which the other never has had, and these, bright and dazzling, have blinded the eyes of the public to too many of his mauvais quarts d'heure.

1855 L'ecole des agneaux comedie en un acte, en vers par M. Dumanoir

Il a de bons moments dans ses mauvais quarts d’heure.

Aldino Aldini (17 April 1856) Revue franco-italienne (Paris: G. Carini) v.3 no.16 "THÉÂTRES; REVUE MUSICALE" p. 126 col. 2

Or, quand on a épuisé le dictionnaire, assez borné du reste, des succès et des insuccès, quand on a exagéré les vieilles expressions, et qu'en s'est évertué à en inventer de nouvelles ; quand on a répété sur tous les tons que l'on a applaudi à tout rompre, que la salle paraissait crouler, qu'il y a eu des salves, des explosions, des tonnerres d'applaudissements, qu'il y a eu des interruptions de bravos prolongés, des trépignements, des cris d'enthousiasme, que sais-je encore! ou, pour mettre un peu d'ombre sur cet éclatant tableau, quand on a dit que tel ou telle autre artiste, malgré son zèle, malgré son bon vouloir, malgré tout ce qui peut servir de palliatif, d'excuse, ou de prétexte, n'a pas été aussi heureux que les autres soirs dans tel ou tel autre rôle, qu'il y a à regretter ceci, qu'il est pénible de devoir remarquer cela, qu'il faut tenir compte du beau passé de cette cantatrice qui, malheureusement, n'a plus que ce passé, bien passé; que ce ténor n'était pas dans son beau jour, et qu'il faut l'entendre dans ses moments heureux, sauf à subir, pendant cinq mois sur six, ses mauvais quarts d'heure; quand on a tourné et retourné cela en tous sens, on en est quitte pour s'être répété vingt fois, et avoir ennuyé quarante autre fois son lecteur. En effet, une voix, quand elle est belle, ne s'arrange que d'un certain nombre d'épithètes extrêmement restreint; mettons une douzaine; et après? il faut recommencer.

Vèron, L. (1856). Cinq cent mille francs de rente: Roman de moeurs (in French). Paris: Librairie nouvelle. p. 71.

J'étudie les variations de sa santé, j'étudie ses impressions, ses émotions de chaque jour, j'étudie jusqu'à ses digestions! Je courbe la tête dans les mauvais quarts d'heure pour la relever aux bons moments.

Montagne, Édouard [in French] (8 December 1857). "Act III Scene XIV". Le royaume du poète: comédie-vaudeville en trois actes, tirée des chansons de Béranger (in French). Paris: Vialat. p. 19.

MADAME GRÉGOIRE. Et ne pas vous inviter à la noce; mais le premier qui s'avisera de dire ou de tenir quelques méchants propos à cet égard, passera de bons moments et de fichus quarts d'heure.

Étienne Énault [fr] (1861) Les mystères de la conscience (Paris: L. de Potter) p.52

— Paris ! murmura William, en interrompant ce récit. Paris, la capitale du plaisir. Ah ! j’ai passé là les meilleurs moments de ma vie.
— Et aussi, les plus mauvais quarts d’heure, répliqua l’aîné.

L'habit de Mylord 1860

Bah !... Voyez-vous, mon cher, mon système, à moi, est de profiter des bons moments, sans songer aux mauvais quarts d'heure... C'est autant de pris sur l'ennemi... On ne sait jamais ce qui peut arriver... Aujourd'hui, l'on est mylord, accueilli, fêté, bien traité, c'est à merveille!... Mais un souffle, un rien, crac! patatras!... tout change, tout finit, tout disparait ! Votre serviteur, de tout mon cœur !

1861 April 20, The Illustrated Times Weekly Newspaper, "Opera and Concerts", v12 p257, London.

per quoteinvestigator.com; Google OCLC 824961917 has only vv 11 and 13, not 12

Victor Poupin [fr] (1862) Un mariage entre mille (Paris: M. Lévy) p.90

Il est évident, observa Théobald en arrangeant ses cheveux devant un miroir de Venise, qu’il y a dans ma vie... des instants!... mais il faut aussi tenir compte des mauvais quarts d’heure.

de Ferlat, Pierre (15 June 1862). Houssaye, Arsène (ed.). "Les Femmes Vengées; Contre-Paradoxe". L'Artiste: journal de la littérature et des beaux-arts (in French). 1ns 32 (12). Paris: L'Artiste: 263.

La jalousie des hommes n'est pas discutable, puisque la raison déserte tout cerveau amoureux; il faut laisser cuver la folie de l'amour comme celle de l'ivresse, c'est le plus sage. J'ai entendu un mari, spirituel dans sa lucidité, dire à sa compagne, à laquelle il rendait la vie insupportable : «Pardonne-moi, je t'estime et je t'aime, mais ma jalousie est une infirmité morale; essaye de me guérir, j'ai de si bons moments! Mais de si mauvais quarts d'heure!» répondait sa victime désolée.

1862/3 Le Ménestrel p. 20

Par ailleurs, nous avons retrouvé les créateurs des divers personnages de l'œuvre, si ce n'est Montjauze, s'ef forçant, lui aussi, de s'incarner le type de Faust, précédemment chanté par MM. Barbot et Michot. Mais ce rôle de grand caractère ne demanderait rien moins qu'un Adolphe Nourrit. Bien des ténors y échoueront : Montjauze a eu de mauvais quarts d'heure, mais aussi de bons moments, notamment la scène du jardin et la chanson à boire. Il faut donc lui savoir gré de ce suprême effort.

1867–76

"Belgique; Bruxelles". Le Guide Musical: Revue Internationale de la Musique et de Theâtres Lyriques (in French). 14 (51). Brussels: Schott. 17 December 1868.

Quant à l'orchestre, il a eu, comme toujours, de bons moments et de mauvais quarts d'heure.

Hans, Ludovic (1871). Second siége de Paris. Le Comité Central et la Commune: journal anecdotique, etc (in French). Paris: Alphonse Lemerre. p. 188.

Tandis qu'il gémissait silencieusement, les gamins chantaient d'une voix railleuse ce couplet populaire :

La perfection n'est pas l'fait des Titans,
Et, s'il avait parfois d' mauvais quarts d'heure,
Faut l' dire tout d' même, il avait d'bons moments!

Perceval, Victor (July 1873). "Ivan le Terrible". Revue de France (in French). 7. Paris: 344.

Et puis, le tzar n'est pas si paternel que tu le penses; s'il a de bons moments, il a de mauvais quarts d'heure.

Later but illustrative

Pierre Decourcelle Les deux gosses 1880 p884

— C'est vrai !... Je crois que nous avons perdu notre temps rue des Trois-Couronnes.
— Faut être juste, Eusèbe, on y a eu de bons moments
— Oui, mais on y a eu aussi do fichus quarts d'heure.

Decourcelle, Pierre (27 March 1880). Le grain de beauté: comédie en un acte (in French). Paris: Tresse. p. 8.

Mais tu sais bien que, pour les véritables artistes, une femme n'est qu'un modèle, et que les vrais chasseurs ne mangent jamais leur gibier! Et cependant, si elle m'a donné de bons moments, je dois avouer que cette science si enivrante m'a procuré aussi de vilains quarts d'heure. D'abord, pour arriver à la conviction, ça m'a souvent coûté très cher.

Joly, Adolf (1883). "Briochette la Patisserie". La gaudriole: recueil de chansons comiques et de chansonnettes suivi de monologues en vers et en prose des auteurs les plus célèbres (in French). Beauchemin & Valois. p. 73.

Tenez, l'autre soir, madame Toile à carreaux, la matelassière, une femme qui a des bons moments et des mauvais quarts d'heure était comme un crin: pourquoi? je me le demande et je vous le demande: tout bonnement, parceque, dans le godiveau que je lui avais porté, j'avais remplacé les truffes par de vieilles châtaignes, et les écrevisses par des coquilles d'escargot !... c'est qu'elle en perdait l'haleine, la matelassière.

Moreau, Émile (1886). Matapan: comédie en trois actes en vers (in French). Paris: Paul Ollendorff. p. viii.

L'administrateur d'alors avait, comme on dit, de fichus quarts d'heure, mais je lui dois de bons moments.

"Crystal Palace". The Musical Times and Singing Class Circular. 28 (530): 215. 1 April 1887. ISSN 0958-8434. JSTOR 3359796.

But we confess to being bitterly disappointed with Widor's Symphony [?No. 2], of which such favourable expectations had been aroused. There are undoubtedly some beaux momens in the work, notably a charming second subject in the first movement ; .... But, on the whole, the mauvais quarts d'heure predominate.

Émile Goudeau Corruptrice 1889

Et, même parmi les heureux, ou prétendus tels, il se trouve une majorité de misérables, c'est le lot commun. L'humanité a de bons moments et de fichus quarts-d'heure.

1891

si nos lecteurs nous reprochent un peu de sécheresse et de pédantisme, M. Bruneau du moins ne pourra nous accuser de le mal écouter ou de ne pas l'entendre. Pas même de ne jamais le louer ; car il y a dans son oeuvre quelques bons momens entre beaucoup de mauvais quarts d'heure

François Coppée 1895/6

Il doit exister quelque part un grand livre relié en cuir vert avec des coins de cuivre, sur lequel sont inscrits, par doit et avoir, nos bons moments et nos fichus quarts d'heure.

Guide Musicale 1897 [others in 1890s Guide Musicale editions]

Quant à M. Imbart de la Tour, il a eu quelques bons moments et quelques fichus quarts d'heure. Il paraissait encore souffrant. Que n'apprend-il à marcher, à se tenir en scène? Vraiment, son Chevalier

Geoffrey Evans and John Shaw

  • Talk:Geoffrey Evans and John Shaw cats, infobox; Category:Serial killer duos; nolle prosequi#Ireland
  • Cites TBD:
    • demanded parole in 2004
    • Aliases: (1) brothers, name on suitcase and while burning evidence (2) provisional drivers licences and caravan sale
  • Roz Purcell narrates podcast
  • irishtimes 2025/07/07 "allegedly raping three victims over the course of five days in Cheshire and Leigh ... a 15-year-old girl was kidnapped and raped over the course of eight hours ... the men argued they were not the same suspects as those sought by British police and were released on bail ... unless new evidence came to light then the rape cases were in effect closed"
  • Stolen Sister podcast from RTÉ Radio One documentary team
  • more in Gerry O’Carroll memoir he was in the Heavy Gang. 2nd ref both claim Shaw confessed at 2-4 am
  • Mirror 2002
  • more details overlap Rosita Boland
  • women jurors rejected as case too distressing
  • irishtimes 2025/06/21 Eight women come forward with information on being targeted by 1976 killers of Elizabeth Plunkett and Stolen Sister podcast
  • independent 2012 "Evans, the smaller of the two, was also said to be the smarter -- and he worked out the logistics while former coal miner Shaw provided the brawn"
  • more sources in podcast xml
  • wicklow 2012 6 guards round the clock in coma till replaced by electronic tag.
  • 2024-11-05 Dail Ivana Bacik raises issues
  • Shaw -v- Minister for Justice and Equality & ors [2018] IEHC 288B parole request, rehearse history
    • [note erroneous "Both the applicant and Geoffrey Evans were charged with the murder of Elizabeth Plunkett but a nolle prosequi was entered following their convictions for the murder, rape and false imprisonment of Mary Duffy"]
    • §10. 2010 report of the Prison Review Committee: "It is important to note that it is 34 years since his last sexual conviction. The other sexual convictions were 40 years old."
  • wigantoday Shaw sentenced at Wigan Crown Court to 7.5 years for indecent assault of a young boy; in prison met "Geoffrey Evans - from Shakerley in Tyldesley - who had been jailed for a number of thefts and robberies" "fled to Ireland following a series of rapes against young women - one of whom was the teenage daughter of a high-ranking police officer in Manchester"
  • Irish murders (2002) after third British victim IDed them they fled to Ireland and resolved to kill future victims
  • 2004 release application
  • independent 2009 Gerry O'Carroll "one was the brains and the other the brawn. Evans was the motivator, whereas Shaw was a dullard, but highly dangerous nonetheless...When Evans realised that Shaw had spilled the beans, he confessed"
  • The Release and Recall of Life Sentence Prisoners: Policy, Practice and Politics
  • policereform.ie/en/POLREF/Kevin%20Sweeney.pdf/Files/Kevin%20Sweeney.pdf [The Changing Nature of Police Interviewing in Ireland] citing People (DPP) v Shaw [1982] IR 1. "John Shaw and Geoffrey Evans were both arrested on suspicion of stealing a motorcar. ... instead of being brought before a court at the earliest opportunity ... both were questioned even though no formal detention legislation that permitted such questioning then existed."
  • Summary, Garda staisfaction at catching them quickly — Brady, Conor (26 September 2014). "'A Good Tough Cop', 1975-1979". The Guarding of Ireland – The Garda Síochána and the Irish State 1960–2014: A History of the Irish Police Force. Gill & Macmillan Ltd. pp. 103–104. ISBN 978-0-7171-5934-5.
  • [McAuley, Finbarr, & McCutcheon, Paul. (1981). The People v Shaw: An Analysis. Dublin University Law Journal, 3, 63-75] timeline says Shaw confessed at 10pm
  • IT 1980/1218 DPP v Shaw report
  • TV episodes: Britain's Most Evil Killers season 6 episode 8;[41]
  • thejournal John Shaw incl synopsis trials; source is
    • Rae, Stephen (1998). Killers: murderers in Ireland. Tallaght, Dublin: Blackwater Press. ISBN 978-0861218745.
  • mirror 2022 first day release under escort, other snippets
  • Daniel Mcgrory (Nov. 25, 2004) "Keep sex killers in jail even after 28 years, pleads family of victim" The Times p.8 "If they are [released], Greater Manchester Police want to question them about a string of sex attacks in the North of England in the 1970s, including the rape and torture of a 15-year-old girl. ... A Dublin court ruled [in 1976] the fingerprints were not sufficent proof and bailed the pair pending further evidence."
  • irishtimes 2022 one family visit. Won right to day release in 2020 but still waiting. 'He had “poor problem-solving skills; negative emotionality”. He was also found to have a “deviant sexual preference” and harboured “hostility towards women” and had a “lack of concern for others”.'
  • irishtimes 2025/07/11 "A further seven people have come forward to allege they were potentially targeted, or witnessed others being targeted ... Dublin, Wicklow, Tipperary, Galway and Mayo ... One man claims he was approached by Evans in Bray in 1976, when he was 12½ old"
  • IT 2025/07/19 "No new Garda investigation or ‘cold case review’ into 1976 murder of Elizabeth Plunkett"
  • irishtimes
    • 1976/0930 Charged at Wicklow Garda Station by Gda Supint, remanded by peace commissioner till Arklow District Court Oct 4
    • 1976/1014 legal aid at Enniscorthy District Court; remanded till Wicklow DC Oct 19
    • 1976/1020 remanded till Enniscorthy DC Oct 27
    • 1976/1111 remanded at Enniscorthy till Wicklow DC Nov 16
    • 1976/1125 remanded at Enniscorthy to Rathdrum DC Dec 2
    • 1977/0105 remanded at Wicklow till Enniscorthy DC Jan 12; still not charged w murder re Plunkett
    • 1977/0113 remanded at Enniscorthy till Wicklow Jan 18; complaints solitary confinement in Mountjoy for 109 days, and excessive delay producing book of evidence; some charges re Wicklow dropped on Nov 2; Supt submitted file over 2 months ago; judge recommended they be given a radio
    • 1977/0204 remanded at Rathdrum till Gorey Feb 11. Evans of Wigan and Shaw of Tyldesley
    • 1977/0302 Wicklow DC announced special sitting on Mar 4
    • 1977/0305 remanded at Wicklow till special sitting Wicklow DC on Mar 10; books of evidence had been given to defence counsel
    • 1977/0311 special sitting Wicklow DC returned for trial at present sitting of CCC against both suspects for murder, rape, and unlawful detention of both victims
    • 1977/0419 pled not guilty, adjourned to next sitting Jun 8
    • 1977/0503 on appl by def couns, HC McWilliam J ordered separate trials for Shaw and Evans. All counsel named.
    • 1977/0615 Shaw trial (both victims) adjourned
    • 1977/0705 delay as pros has 2×SC+1×JC whereas unclear if DoJ would for pay same for defence
    • 1977/0706 Shaw trial (only Duffy) opened; empanelling; Late Late Show had been found in contempt of court by HC and SC
    • 1977/0707 Shaw trial eyewitnesses and family
    • 1977/0708 evidence from pathologist John Harbison; dentist re denture; caravan park; Maam petrol pump reg man
    • 1977/0709 various evidence including Roundstone petrol station attendant suspicious that car year did not match reg
    • 1977/0713 Garda witnesses, re arrest 26 Sep Salthill; driver arrested, Shaw was passenger alias David Ball (not arrested, taken to station for questioning); owner Cortina reported it stolen Feb 1976 in Rathfarnham; legal submissions without jury
    • 1977/0716 legal submissions without jury
    • 1977/0719 legal submissions without jury
    • 1977/0720 legal submissions without jury
    • 1977/0721 legal submissions without jury
    • 1977/0722 legal submissions without jury
    • 1977/0723 legal submissions without jury
    • 1977/0726 legal submissions without jury
    • 1977/0727 legal submissions without jury
    • 1977/0728 legal submissions without jury; afternoon adjourned due to absent juror
    • 1977/0729 forensic evidence bodily material, fibres, fingerprints
    • 1977/0730 last prosecution witnesses; legal submissions without jury
    • 1977/0803 prosecution summing up — doesn't matter which killed her, both guilty of murder
    • 1977/0804 defence summing up: LateLate prejudicial; circumstantial evidence; times when Shaw seen with Evans were not crucial to victim. jury retired at 2.45 and hung at 7.37; Shaw remanded on other charges

Royal Parks

Sarah Goudar

  • Sarah Goudar [wikidata]
    • Croce, Benedetto (1914). "Personaggi casanoviani: II. Sara Goudar". Aneddoti e profili settecenteschi (in Italian). Milan: R. Sandron. pp. 77–90. plate facing p.84
      • ? reprint or expansion of Benedetto Croce (14 June 1890) "SARA GOUDAR A NAPOLI" Lettere e arti vol. II no. 22 pp. 344-347
    • Childs, James Rives (1988). Casanova, a New Perspective. Paragon House. ISBN 978-0-913729-69-4.
      [pp 244–245] Count Pyotr Buturlin [wikidata] (married to Maria, daughter of Roman Vorontsov and sister of Yekaterina Vorontsova-Dashkova), bought Sara from Goudar for 500 louis d'or and paid for all three to leave Naples for northern Italy in 1770/1. The Goudars returned in 1773 and were expelled in 1774.
      [p 279] in 1783 "when, shortly afterwards in Paris, Sara Goudar, abandoned by her husband, sent word to Casanova of her desire to see him, he ignored her appeal." [also Hauc p179n2 citing C to Maximilian Joseph von Lamberg [wikidata] 1787-07-28]
    • Hauc, Jean-Claude, Trois Femmes des Lumières : Casanova et la belle montpelliéraine, Septimanie d’Egmont, comtesse républicaine, Sara Goudar, l’aventurière, Paris, Les Éditions de Paris, 2010.
    • Major, Joanne (2 December 2022). Kitty Fisher: The First Female Celebrity. Pen and Sword History. Ch 5 fn 8. ISBN 978-1-3990-0698-9. Possibly, Goudar and Sarah married at Kensington on 20 April 1765, if so, Goudar's forename (Pierre) was Anglicised to Peter, and Sarah's surname was Ker. The couple had left London by the early part of 1765.
    • Letter to the Journal de Paris in spring 1782. (Bond, Elizabeth Andrews. “The Production and Distribution of the Information Press.” The Writing Public: Participatory Knowledge Production in Enlightenment and Revolutionary France, Cornell University Press, 2021, p. 17 . Accessed 6 Mar. 2025.)
    • IT 2025/03/05
    • Ange Goudar [wikidata]
      • Ademollo, Alessandro (1891). Un avventuriere francese in Italia nella seconda metà del settecento (in Italian). Cattaneo.
      • Mars, Francis L. (1966). Ange Goudar, Cet Inconnu (1708-1791): Essai Bio-bibliographique Sur Un Aventurier Polygraphe Du XVIIIme Siècle. Casanova gleanings. Vol. 9. J. Rivers Childs.
      • Maurice Lever (1991) Quatre lettres inédites d'Ange Goudar au marquis de Sade Dix-Huitième Siècle Vol. 23 no. 1 pp. 223-232 ([p. 225] lover of Sade [in 1775 in Florence, who thought her most beautiful woman in the city] and Alexei Grigoryevich Orlov [before then?]; [p.227] possible model for Mme de Clairwil in Juliette.)
      • Hauc, Jean-Claude (2004). Ange Goudar: un aventurier des lumières (in French). Honoré Champion. ISBN 978-2-7453-1030-9. much on Sara, incl. p.142 repartee "Je m'appelle Sara" "Fille de qui?" "De Haram" [i.e. harem]
      • Goudar Presse18 [synopsis of sources up to at least 2002] "Aucun document ne prouve qu'il l'ait épousée. Il la quitta plus tard en 1790 (M, p. 56). Il mourut en 1791, semble-t-il; Sara vécut au moins jusqu'en 1794. ... Sara fut-elle abandonnée en 1777 lors d'un séjour en Hollande (B.Un.)? F.L. Mars ne le croit pas (M, p. 56). ... il vit du jeu, d'activités d'entremetteur (en particulier des charmes de Sara), de pamphlétaire, d'espion. ... [F.L. Mars] recense aussi tous les ouvrages signés «Madame Sara Goudar». G., en effet, exploita aussi le nom de sa «femme»."
      • openlettersmonthlyarchive James Boswell gambled at their Naples house

Quotes

Casanova, Giacomo (November 11, 2004) [1894]. Machen, Arthur; Symons, Arthur (eds.). The Memoirs of Jacques Casanova de Seingalt, 1725-1798. Gutenberg.com.

"Sara [Goudar]" is not to be confused with "Sara" [Marguerite de Muralt-Favre: Childs 1988 p. 189], daughter of "A. M. de F——, member of the Council of the Two Hundred" of Berne. [Vol 3. Ep. 14 Ch. 17; Vol. 4 Ep. 24 Ch. 14]

Vol. 5 Ep. 23 Ch.12, London

I felt that it was fortunate for me that I had Goudar, who introduced me to all the most famous courtezans in London, above all to the illustrious Kitty Fisher, who was just beginning to be fashionable. He also introduced me to a girl of sixteen, a veritable prodigy of beauty, who served at the bar of a tavern at which we took a bottle of strong beer. She was an Irishwoman and a Catholic, and was named Sarah. I should have liked to get possession of her, but Goudar had views of his own on the subject, and carried her off in the course of the next year. He ended by marrying her, and she was the Sara Goudar who shone at Naples, Florence, Venice, and elsewhere. We shall hear of her in four or five years, still with her husband. Goudar had conceived the plan of making her take the place of Dubarry, mistress of Louis XV., but a lettre de cachet compelled him to try elsewhere. Ah! happy days of lettres de cachet, you have gone never to return!

Vol. 6 Ep. 28 Ch.13, Naples

The day after our arrival I was unpleasantly surprised to see the notorious Chevalier Goudar, whom I had known at London. He called on Lord Baltimore.

This famous rout had a house at Pausilippo, and his wife was none other than the pretty Irish girl Sara, formerly a drawer in a London tavern. The reader has been already introduced to her. Goudar knew I had met her, so he told me who she was, inviting us all to dine with him the next day.

Sara shewed no surprise nor confusion at the sight of me, but I was petrified. She was dressed with the utmost elegance, received company admirably, spoke Italian with perfect correctness, talked sensibly, and was exquisitely beautiful; I was stupefied; the metamorphosis was so great.

In a quarter of an hour five or six ladies of the highest rank arrived, with ten or twelve dukes, princes, and marquises, to say nothing of a host of distinguished strangers.

The table was laid for thirty, but before dinner Madame Goudar seated herself at the piano, and sang a few airs with the voice of a siren, and with a confidence that did not astonish the other guests as they knew her, but which astonished me extremely, for her singing was really admirable.

Goudar had worked this miracle. He had been educating her to be his wife for six or seven years.

After marrying her he had taken her to Paris, Vienna, Venice, Florence, Rome, etc., everywhere seeking fortune, but in vain. Finally he had come to Naples, where he had brought his wife into the fashion of obliging her to renounce in public the errors of the Anglican heresy. She had been received into the Catholic Church under the auspices of the Queen of Naples. The amusing part in all this was that Sara, being an Irishwoman, had been born a Catholic, and had never ceased to be one.

All the nobility, even to the Court, went to see Sara, while she went nowhere, for no one invited her. This kind of thing is a characteristic of nobility all the world over.

Goudar told me all these particulars, and confessed that he only made his living by gaming.


As chance would have it, Madame Goudar occupied the box next to ours, and Hamilton amused the duchess by telling the story of the handsome Irishwoman, but her grace did not seem desirous of making Sara’s acquaintance.


“I can’t prevent your interpreting my words as you please, but I have a right to my own opinion. I want my two hundred ounces, and I am quite willing to leave you any moneys you propose to make out of the conqueror of to-night. You must make your arrangements with M. Goudar, and by noon to-morrow, you, M. Goudar, will bring me that sum.”

“I can’t remit you the money till the count gives it me, for I haven’t got any money.”

“I am sure you will have some money by twelve o’clock to-morrow morning. Goodnight.”

I would not listen to any of their swindling arguments, and went home without the slightest doubt that they were trying to cheat me. I resolved to wash my hands of the whole gang as soon as I had got my money back by fair means or foul.

At nine the next morning I received a note from Medini, begging me to call on him and settle the matter. I replied that he must make his arrangements with Goudar, and I begged to be excused calling on him.

In the course of an hour he paid me a visit, and exerted all his eloquence to persuade me to take a bill for two hundred ounces, payable in a week. I gave him a sharp refusal, saying that my business was with Goudar and Goudar only, and that unless I received the money by noon I should proceed to extremities. Medini raised his voice, and told me that my language was offensive; and forthwith I took up a pistol and placed it against his cheek, ordering him to leave the room. He turned pale, and went away without a word.

At noon I went to Goudar’s without my sword, but with two good pistols in my pocket. Medini was there, and began by reproaching me with attempting to assassinate him in my own house.

I took no notice of this, but told Goudar to give me my two hundred ounces.

Goudar asked Medini to give him the money.

There would undoubtedly have been a quarrel, if I had not been prudent enough to leave the room, threatening Goudar with ruin if he did not send on the money directly.

Just as I was leaving the house, the fair Sara put her head out of the window, and begged me to come up by the back stairs and speak to her.

I begged to be excused, so she said she would come down, and in a moment she stood beside me.

“You are in the right about your money,” she said, “but just at present my husband has not got any; you really must wait two or three days, I will guarantee the payment.”

“I am really sorry,” I replied, “not to be able to oblige such a charming woman, but the only thing that will pacify me is my money, and till I have had it, you will see me no more in your house, against which I declare war.”

Thereupon she drew from her finger a diamond ring, worth at least four hundred ounces, and begged me to accept it as a pledge.

I took it, and left her after making my bow. She was doubtless astonished at my behaviour, for in her state of deshabille she could not have counted on my displaying such firmness.

I was very well satisfied with my victory, and went to dine with the advocate, Agatha’s husband. I told him the story, begging him to find someone who would give me two hundred ounces on the ring.

“I will do it myself,” said he; and he gave me an acknowledgment and two hundred ounces on the spot. He then wrote in my name a letter to Goudar, informing him that he was the depositary of the ring.

...

A servant came in and said M. Goudar would like to have a little private conversation with the advocate.

The advocate came back in a quarter of an hour, and informed me that Goudar had given him the two hundred ounces, and that he had returned him the ring.

“Then that’s all settled, and I am very glad of it. I have certainly made an eternal enemy of him, but that doesn’t trouble me much.”

Vol. 6 Ep. 28 Ch.14, Naples

I had an unexpected visit from Goudar, who knew the kind of company I kept, and wanted me to ask his wife and himself to dinner to meet the two Saxons and my English friends.

I promised to oblige him on the understanding that there was to be no play at my house, as I did not want to be involved in any unpleasantness. He was perfectly satisfied with this arrangement, as he felt sure his wife would attract them to his house, where, as he said, one could play without being afraid of anything.


Two or three days after I gave a dinner to my English friends, the two Saxons, Bartoldi their governor, and Goudar and his wife.

We were all ready, and only waiting for M. and Madame Goudar, when I saw the fair Irishwoman come in with Count Medini. This piece of insolence made all the blood in my body rush to my head. However, I restrained myself till Goudar came in, and then I gave him a piece of my mind. It had been agreed that his wife should come with him. The rascally fellow prevaricated, and tried hard to induce me to believe that Medini had not plotted the breaking of the bank, but his eloquence was in vain.

Our dinner was a most agreeable one, and Sara cut a brilliant figure, for she possessed every pleasing quality that can make a woman attractive. In good truth, this tavern girl would have filled a throne with any queen; but Fortune is blind.

When the dinner was over, M. de Buturlin, a distinguished Russian, and a great lover of pretty women, paid me a visit. He had been attracted by the sweet voice of the fair Sara, who was singing a Neapolitan air to the guitar. I shone only with a borrowed light, but I was far from being offended. Buturlin fell in love with Sara on the spot, and a few months after I left he got her for five hundred Louis, which Goudar required to carry out the order he had received, namely, to leave Naples in three days.

This stroke came from the queen, who found out that the king met Madame Goudar secretly at Procida. She found her royal husband laughing heartily at a letter which he would not shew her.

The queen’s curiosity was excited, and at last the king gave in, and her majesty read the following:

“Ti aspettero nel medesimo luogo, ed alla stessa ora, coll’ impazienza medesima che ha una vacca che desidera l’avicinamento del toro.”

“Chi infamia!” cried the queen, and her majesty gave the cow’s husband to understand that in three days he would have to leave Naples, and look for bulls in other countries.

If these events had not taken place, M. de Buturlin would not have made so good a bargain.

After my dinner, Goudar asked all the company to sup with him the next evening. The repast was a magnificent one, but when Medini sat down at the end of a long table behind a heap of gold and a pack of cards, no punters came forward. Madame Goudar tried in vain to make the gentlemen take a hand. The Englishmen and the Saxons said politely that they should be delighted to play if she or I would take the bank, but they feared the count’s extraordinary fortune.

Thereupon Goudar had the impudence to ask me to deal for a fourth share.

“I will not deal under a half share,” I replied, “though I have no confidence in my luck.”

Goudar spoke to Medini, who got up, took away his share, and left me the place.

I had only two hundred ounces in my purse. I placed them beside Goudar’s two hundred, and in two hours my bank was broken, and I went to console myself with my Callimena.


Morosini was much taken with Sara’s charms, and only thought of how he could possess her. He was still a young man, full of romantic notions, and she would have become odious in his eyes if he could have guessed that she would have to be bought with a heavy price.

He told me several times that if a woman proposed payment for her favours, his disgust would expel his love in a moment. As he said, and rightly, he was as good a man as Madame Goudar was a woman.

This was distinctly a good point in his character; no woman who gave her favours in exchange for presents received could hope to dupe him. Sara’s maxims were diametrically opposed to his; she looked on her love as a bill of exchange.


A couple of days afterwards Morosini invited Sara, Goudar, two young gamesters, and Medini, to dinner. The latter had not yet given up hopes of cheating the chevalier in one way or another.

Towards the end of dinner it happened that Medini differed in opinion from me, and expressed his views in such a peremptory manner that I remarked that a gentleman would be rather more choice in his expressions.

[they go out and fight a duel]

He was losing a good deal of blood, so I sheathed his sword for him and advised him to go to Goudar’s house, which was close at hand, and have his wound attended to.

I went back to “Crocielles” as if nothing had happened. The chevalier [Morosini] was making love to Sara, and the rest were playing cards.

Phil Shinnick

All-American; Dave Williams "Phil Shinnick could play any sport and was the finest athlete I'd ever seen, ever! Only injuries kept him from setting even more world records."; 1965 Universiad, Olympic Project for Human Rights, USAF captain, 1968 trials complaint, 1969 military games, United Amateur Athletes c. 1972; athletic director Livingston College, Rutgers; Jack Scott tried to recruit to Oberlin, 1974 Hearst contempt, 1970s doping testimony; 1983-4 executive director of "Athletes United for Peace" to promote détente and disarmament via friendly US-SU competition, still heading it 1995 capaigning to free Mamo Wolde; 2000s cared for Rustum Roy; acupuncture, BDORT, qigong

References

Gonzaga Prep

Publications

numbered elite

All the Pretty Little Horses

  • 1911 Mammy's lullaby with music by Logan Douglass Howell of Goldsboro, North Carolina
  • 1969 Mammy loves world's simplest songs
  • Odetta liner notes:
    • 1957 At the Gate of HornPRETTY HORSES — A woman crooning a lullaby to a baby while she leaves her own unattended in order to earn money for bread. In the song she refers to her own child as the lambie in the meadow. This lullaby comes from the South, post Civil War.
    • 1960 Odetta at Carnegie HallAll the Pretty Little Horses. It is a lullaby from the slave period, of a Negro woman who must go to the “big house” to take care of the master’s child while her own “little lamby” remains unattended.
  • JSTOR 1495941 doi:10.2307/1495941 review of song book
  • [proquest] The Language of Lullabies; Alice Sterling Honig.  YC Young Children; Washington Vol. 60, Iss. 5, (Sep 2005): 30-36
  • [proquest or ebscohost] "Hush-a-bye baby": Death and violence in the lullaby; Marina Warner.  Raritan; New Brunswick Vol. 18, Iss. 1, (Summer 1998): 93-114
    • the savage turn taken in the second verse ... frequently softened by singers ... Peter, Paul and Mary's recording, for instance. American commentators traditionally interpret these lyrics as those of a black mother who sings of her own baby, left behind in the fields while she looks after the white folks' offspring. ... its unexpected morbidity [is] a most characteristic lullaby
  • ebscohost jrnl=17569575 found but AN=110087355 not
  • alias "Cornbread Crumbled in Gravy" in Bullfrog Jumped: Children's Folksongs from the Byron Arnold Collection doi:10.1353/ala.2009.0042
  • ebscohost Black Feminist Theories of Motherhood and Generation: Histories of Black Infant and Child Loss in the United States. By: Simmons, LaKisha Michelle, Signs: Journal of Women in Culture & Society, 00979740, Winter2021, Vol. 46, Issue 2
    • Fannie Lou Hamer version passed down from enslaved grandmother/ cited Hamer, Fannie Lou. (1963) 2015. Songs My Mother Taught Me. Mp3. Washington, DC: Smithsonian Folkways Recordings. first 10s preview
  • ebscohost Patricia Hill Collins' Black Feminine Identity in Toni Morrison's Beloved. By: Ghasemi, Parvin, Heidari, Samira, Journal of African American Studies, 15591646, Dec2020, Vol. 24, Issue 4 "The great degree of apprehension and worry manifestly expressed in the second stanza of the poem contains rage and resentment; this great anger is voiced and conveyed by means of descriptions and imageries related to conjure"
  • mudcat has several refs, but...
  • Ballad Index LxU002: All the Pretty Little Horses 2024 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle — index lists many books and a few recordings
  • Roud number 6705 — index lists many recordings and a few books, manuscripts, etc.

The whole nine yards

  • 1855 "The Judge’s Big Shirt"
    • OED (Dec. 2015 update per linguistlist) s.v. "nine, adj." subsense 3.e. [sense 3 groups "allusive and proverbial uses"; others include "nine days' wonder", "nine ways at once", "nine lives"] "Apparently originating in the frequently repeated comic story cited in quot. 1855." — says who? OED internal lexicographers? What of others? (1855 quote is in brackets; 1907 quote is first unqualified)
    • nytimes 2012 (article has potted history of antedatings since 1982 Safire NYT article; also enchilada, shebang, ball of wax)
    • Barry Popik barrypopik.com — originally 2005 but check archive.org for dates of later edits — 'it appears that a popular 1855 story, "The Judge's Big Shirt," spread the idea that the "whole nine yards" of cloth meant "everything."'
    • Fred Shapiro
    • Patricia T. O'Conner and Stewart Kellerman grammarphobia 2016/12 Dubious of 1855–1907 attestation gap: "Perhaps researchers will eventually fill in the gap with more examples." / Other researchers have found that cloth was often sold in multiples of three yards during the 19th century, and “nine yards” was a common measurement. / “nine yards to the dollar” / Richard Bucci 1850 will not attempt to follow you through your ‘nine yards’ in all its serpentine windings
    • Stephen Goranson "1855 joke link is iffy, at best"
    • David Wilton wordorigins "the long gap, over fifty years, between this citation and the next militates against this story"

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My old research on previous complaints (Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive subpages unless stated otherwise):

  • [[User talk:Cyberpower678/Archive 34#|dead-url=unfit]] "In all cases, the |url= values that Cyberbot II declared to be unfit, are not in fact, unfit and are working correctly. ... I will modify Module:Citation/CS1 to add articles with |dead-url=unfit and |dead-url=usurped to a maintenance category so these templates are marked and can be inspected and repaired." added to sandbox 2016-06-20T11:56:25
  • [[Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 19#|dead-url=unfit maintenance category|19—|dead-url=unfit maintenance category]] "I misspoke. Cyberbot II sets |dead-url=unfit when it moves an archival url from |url= to |archive-url= leaving behind the original url in |url= ... As a result of the conversation at the bot operator's talk page, I have modified the sandbox to include a new |dead-url= keyword bot: unknown." added to sandbox 2016-06-21T15:57:56
  • Module:Citation/CS1 utilities.set_message ('maint_unfit'); (lines 3851 et seq) sandbox to main 2016-07-30T10:55:17
  • Category talk:CS1 maint: unfit URL#How to remove "Is there a method to remove this category from articles when the parameter has been correctly applied?" 26 January 2019 "The maintenance message helps to answer editor questions about why the reference has the 'Archived from the original' static text where 'the original' isn't linked" 6 January 2024
  • 57—Unfit URLs "Seems a bit silly to have a maintenance category that can't be emptied." "A lot of the articles in that category come from a time when Cyberbot II was adding |dead-url=unfit to many cs1|2 templates that it touched. ... We could create additional keywords unfit-verified, usurped-verified. What then? ... Someone may find it useful – it isn't as though there is a cost to having such categories." 22 May 2019
  • 72—unfit url: maint or property? "The tracking category for pages using |url-status=unfit or |url-status=usurped, Category:CS1 maint: unfit url, seems like it would make more sense as a property category, much like Category:CS1: long volume value, given that there are legitimate uses for those values" "We've had one or two (not recent?) discussions about whether it should be maintained. For example, someone might feasibly misuse the parameter to remove a URL that doesn't need removing, where maybe it should be the case that someone should check that each instance of unfit is a good use." 27 October 2020
  • 83—unfit url maintenance message "I think that you are the first to complain about lingering maintenance messaging." 6 March 2022
  • 84—url-status parameter invalid "There is no required action for most maintenance messages." 3 August 2022
  • 88—Template:Citation Style documentation/url leaves a Script warning "explain why there should be a Script warning – of any type – when using url-status=unfit in the way explicitly defined by the documentation" 17 April 2023

"London" for metropolis

statutory limits of various "Metropolitan" bodies -- police, criminal court, sewers, etc
  • Bills of mortality area by 1636
  • Commissioners of Scotland Yard from 1662 to 1679 (City excluded excluded after 1666 fire)
  • London Streets, etc. Act 1690
  • Under the direction of John Rickman, the bills of mortality area and the "five villages beyond the Bills" consisting of the parishes of Chelsea, Kensington, Marylebone, Paddington and St Pancras[10] were designated the "Metropolis" in the 1801 to 1831 censuses
  • Metropolitan Police District § History from 1829
  • Metropolitan Board of Works § Background up to 1850s
  • 1832 reform report 4 boroughs in Metropolitan District [2 Midx, 2 Surrey]
  • Royal Commission on the City of London 1853 considered wider area
  • Metropolis Management Act 1855 established board of Works
  • "London and Southwark" Second Report on municipal corporations HC 1837 (239) xxv 1, neighbouring boroughs were parliamentary but not municipal
    • "the word suburb can no longer be applied with its usual signification to the vast extent of uninterrupted town which forms the metropolis of the British empire"
    • The Municipal Borough of Southwark, a dependency rather than a part of the Municipal City of London, contains considerably more than half of the population and number of houses which are in the proposed Parliamentary Borough as above. A great part of the latter certainly cannot be considered as Town.
      • earlier authors also call Southwark a dependency
    • It was unquestionably intended by the charter of Edward VI. that the Borough of Southwark should be incorporated for all municipal purposes with the City of London. This intention has never been fully carried into effect ; and the privileges of citizens of London, and in particular the right of electing Aldermen and Common Councilmen, have not been possessed by the inhabitants of Southwark, except for a few years soon after the Charter was granted.
  • VCH Surrey vol 4 "The borough of Southwark" — Introduction 125-135; Borough 135-141; Manors 141-151.

The Hampstead Heath Act 1871 preamble said it would be "of great advantage to the inhabitants of the Metropolis if the Heath were always kept unenclosed and unbuilt on"

comments on meaning and usage of London and/or metropolis
  • Thomas Birch perambulated in 6 hours c1750
  • The Ambulator; Or, the Stranger's Companion in a Tour Round London; Within the Circuit of Twenty-five Miles: ... To which is Prefixed, a Concise Description of London, Southwark, and Westminster ...
  • 1831 census v3 p496-500 nice colour map and essay
  • The Metropolis: Its Boundaries, Extent, and Divisions for Local Government (1844) doi:10.2307/2337746 JSTOR 2337746 2337746
  • Parl Gaz on meaning of "metropolis"
  • Stattute definijtions:
    • Licensing Act 1964 s. 201 '"the metropolis" means the administrative county of London together with any area outside that county but within the four-mile radius from Charing Cross'
    • Administration of Justice Act 1964
      • Sch 3 Pt II s. 31(4) redefines Licensing Act 1964 s. 201 "the metropolis" as "an area consisting of the inner London area within the meaning of the Administration of Justice Act 1964 and the City of London"
      • s2 "an area to be known as the inner London area, consisting of the inner London boroughs" ('inner London boroughs' from London Government Act 1963)

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