User:Lectonar/Archive 18
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Cochise
I would never presume to make POV corrections as MLpearc. I understand this looks like an 'edit war' but mlpearc never let the changes stand long enough for me to include the references on a sentence that didn't have references to begin with. Now, I under this editor's reservations, but the fact remains that my changes to the sentence are accompanied by references.
[begin] http://www.encyclopedia.com/history/united-states-and-canada/north-american-indigenous-peoples/apaches "Apaches have endured severe economic and political disruptions, first by the Spanish, then by the Comanches, and later by the United States government." [end]
Apache land was, in fact, Apache land when the Spanish arrived in the 1620s. And it was still Apache land under Spanish 'agreements of territoriality' until the Americans invaded in 1840s. So the sentence, which I edited - and to which did not originally have a cited source either - was incorrect, and I corrected its syntax. If it is the aim of wikipedia to continue misinformation in the name of politics, than so be it. I am well aware, that mlpearc's racism should stand, and the entirety of the world should think that Cochise was just some criminal on American land before the Americans invaded, correct history be damned.
- As I said...provide the sources, and use the article's talk page. Form consensus. And assume good faith; one persons POV is the other persons bias. And please do not see a conspiracy where there is none. I consider myself neutral, as I am an European, and I do not see Wikipedias aim being misinformation. Heed the edit-warring warning please. Lectonar (talk) 19:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Warsaw
Hi, I just wanted to ask if it's possible to delete the revision titles in the "view history" section with vile and crude language in the article Warsaw? It was directed by an unregistered user. Best Regards Oli (TALK) 19:55, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- I've done that; please have a look if I caught all of it. I also protected the page, as there was IP-hopping. Lectonar (talk) 13:07, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate it. Best Regards. Oliszydlowski (TALK) 23:10, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- Could you also look at Largest capital cities of the European Union revision? Best Regards Oli (TALK) 23:22, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- Late to the party, seems to have been taken care of. Lectonar (talk) 16:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate it. Best Regards. Oliszydlowski (TALK) 23:10, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Note on editing area
Hi Lectonar, sorry to bother you, but how would one add the note you suggested? Furthermore, what about visual edits? I imagine they would not see it - and even if they did, they couldn't seem to see the four notes in the article itself... Saturnalia0 (talk) 18:26, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Saturnalia0: No bother, please see Wikipedia:Editnotice. If you do not want to go all the way to make a proper editnotice, please see the last bit on the page, "Alternatives". I don't know about the visual edits, though. Lectonar (talk) 07:23, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Kahn
Bleh. I hate to split hairs over this, but this is one IP that currently reading through the article and doing pretty good c/e. May want to consider waiting literally just ten more minutes. TimothyJosephWood 14:20, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Overlapping edits on Louis_Sachar
Thanks for the quick action on that page - we seem to have overlapped each other's edits when you semi-protected the page, so apologies for that. I don't think I have permissions to re-add semi-protection - is that something you can redo? The vandalism was so extensive it seemed easiest to just revert to the last known-good version of the page, but I'm not sure if I did it in a proper manner or not. Juansmith (talk) 19:11, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Juansmith: All is fine...the protection just adds a line to the article history without changing the article...protection persists regardless of how much you as an autoconfirmed user edit (try editing the article while logged out, though, to see the difference:)). Cheers. Lectonar (talk) 19:18, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Ah, cheers. Juansmith (talk) 19:47, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Anti-Gravity Freedom Machine
Hello Lectonar, I noticed earlier that you deleted my pages, Anti-Gravity Freedom Machine, The Anti-Gravity Freedom Machine, and AGFM on the basis of promoting spam and having no relation to the redirected article (Email). I'd like you to explain your reasoning that the AGFM is not a fork of Email's history or has relation, and therefore can not have the redirection to Email, and that it promotes spam. -Patrick Boots CEC (talk) 23:23, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- "The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam" as there will be no mention of AGFM in the email article unless you come up with drastically better sources. --NeilN talk to me 01:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
He is back...
... with a new IP. Blockevasion? See here. The Banner talk 18:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- And quackblocked. Lectonar (talk) 19:01, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- He is really getting annoying: two new IPs (of which one is a static IP) and new personal attacks, suitable for revdel. The Banner talk 17:31, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I just make a list out of it... The Banner talk 01:12, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- attack
- This time in the 82-range
And the pattern is always the same: first an edit to link a year, 5 tot 20 minutes later the attacks. What a pitiful creature. The Banner talk 02:44, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- Pathetic is rather understated; blocked and revdeled. The range of the 178.xxx IPs is too big for a rangeblock. Lectonar (talk) 06:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- You might have a bit of a respite now; I had some fabulous help which did apply a rangeblock. Please keep me updated. Lectonar (talk) 22:16, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
- That sounds really nice. The Banner talk 22:55, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
- Another rangeblock. We'll get them yet. Lectonar (talk) 14:31, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- You might have a bit of a respite now; I had some fabulous help which did apply a rangeblock. Please keep me updated. Lectonar (talk) 22:16, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
And here we go again
I guess the range block had expired? Attack 1, attack 2 and attack 3. That guy (?) really has a problem. The Banner talk 08:03, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- And the same pattern: first adding a wikilink, then the personal attack. The Banner talk 08:06, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- And blocked the single IP; the rangeblock calculator is down, but I will get to it asap. Lectonar (talk) 08:27, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks again. The Banner talk 08:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- And blocked the single IP; the rangeblock calculator is down, but I will get to it asap. Lectonar (talk) 08:27, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Geochore
Sorry, I didn't mean to cause confusion. The reason I saved the German text first (which I don't normally do) was that there was a Wiki popup over the editing screen that I couldn't get rid of. By saving the text and re-opening it, the popup disappeared. Anyway, all sorted. I think there's a "translation in progress" hatnote that I guess I could use in future. Fortunately I didn't lose my translation when you deleted the article! ☺ --Bermicourt (talk) 10:01, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Bermicourt: And I would have undeleted at a pinch anyway; sorry for deleting it in the first place. Cheers and happy editing. Might I coax you over to WP:PNT, btw.? Plenty of work there :) Lectonar (talk) 10:58, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks. Just took a look at WP:PNT and can see some articles where I can easily help. Thanks for drawing that to my attention. --Bermicourt (talk) 12:50, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Bermicourt: Splendid; adminning takes up too much of my wikitime, and translations need plenty of that....Lectonar (talk) 12:55, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Conflict solved
The edit conflict on the Kashmiris page has been solved now. Please remove the protection. Losthistory9 (talk) 09:15, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- User:Losthistory9 I'd rather have that discussion on the talk-page of the protected article; be so kind as to move the discussion there to get more eyes on it. Lectonar (talk) 11:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- The discussion turned sort of private. So there's some details that I don't want to share. But basically the conflict was over a spelling of a caste (clan) name. We both acknowledged both spellings as in use among caste members. Just that the other user did not want to use one of the two spellings in the article. So now we have compromised by agreeing to include both spelling variants. Losthistory9 (talk) 11:52, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- I read the discusion you had linked, and, sorry to tell you, nothing here on Wikipedia is private. I have the strong impression that you kind of very strongly nudged the other user into compromising. And let me assure you that I am well aware of what this was/is about. But my opinion stands: I would really like to see this on the talk-page, as mentioned above. Lectonar (talk) 11:57, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- Well since you have such a feeling I have no choice but to withdraw my request for lifting page protection. At the same time I would re-ask you to consider the factor of the use of WP:RS which I have strictly adhered to. I would not like this discussion moved to a talk page but I am happy to re-discuss this issue with that user on the talk page afresh.Losthistory9 (talk) 12:06, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- By asking you to move it to the talk-page of the article, I just adhere to the process laid out after fully protecting a page, see Wikipedia:Protection policy#Types of protection, full protection/content disputes. Lectonar (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Paubrasilia (again)
Hi Lectonar. Just to let you know, @Oshwah:. Nothing came of the dialogue between the other editor and myself and unfortunately no-one else has weighed in. For me, without further voices and suggestions on the matter and on how to proceed, I am leaving the article and moving on. However, that should go both ways, but the other editor feels different about it. Actually it would appear that is has now become an obsession, a question of proving a point, seeing that he has done nothing else on the English Wikipedia for almost two months and for two days did nothing else other but this. To me, the shorter this etymology section the better, for it makes no sense to go into such detailed analysis in the article, as I said here, to wit, "The only reason that article has such an extensive etymology section has nothing to do with the tree, but with the unending debate over the |origin of the name Brazil/ Brasil. And the reason for that unending debate is exactly because it is not possible to ascertain for sure what the origin of the name is.". In other words, that level of detail belongs at Name of Brazil, not in other articles about the species. Keep well, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- Rui Gabriel Correia Thank you for your patience and calmness; I have one more idea, and that would be to list this at WP:3O (it seems to be an ideal case for a 3rd opinion). Would you be so kind to do that? I don't want to put it there because it would make me involved, and I try to stay as impartial as possible while doing admin-stuff (it leaves me more options). My rather small hope from the beginning was to get more on eyes on the problem. Cheers and happy editing. Lectonar (talk) 11:28, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, Lectonar. I will list it at WP:30. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 11:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- Just seeking clarity on the WP:3O process. I see that there is an IP who routinely goes to the page, responds to the request with a few lines and deletes the request. However, it feels odd that such a process is handled in such a manner by an individual who one knows nothing of, has no credentials, etc. What weight does this IP's opinion carry? Who is then to act on the opinion and implement whatever is to be implemented? Thanks, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 20:59, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, Lectonar. I will list it at WP:30. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 11:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Maajid Nawaz
Can you change it to pending changes anyway? The policy says its great for BLPs, which the article is.VictoriaGraysonTalk 14:11, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Kris Wu
Well, I appreciate the attempt! But I guess because they're already autoconfirmed...? Anything else can be done, or just watch the page? I didn't think it was disruptove enough to ask for 30/500 (or whatever the numbers are). Anyway, thanks for looking in! — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 11:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah...the autoconfirmed-status was what made me undo it; extended confirmed is too heavy handed and actually not indicated with essentially just one user. Still mulling over how to proceed.....a rather stern warning might be sufficient. I will decide after some coffee. Thanks for the head-up. Lectonar (talk) 11:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
iP
Language
Sorry about this - . I probably got a little to carried away on seeing the magnitude of people working to disrupt an article. Jupitus Smart 18:27, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- It just struck me as worth mentioning; Wikipedia is caustic enough already. And well...they are probably not in cahoots, and I always tend to think fanboys-/girls... they are just as passionate as they come (which does not mean I condone the their behaviour). It always pays to keep a cool head, though. Cheers. Lectonar (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
La République En Marche !
Protecting my subpages
I had originally requested protection on several of my userpages several months ago following a run-in with Amotrtias/ Armotrias/ 92.40.156.172 (not to be confused with Amortias) and this RfC a weeks/months later. The account I mentioned is globally locked and I requested G10 (on only the pages they created) and (later) oversight on several (if not all) of their edits, so I'm not sure if you are able to see what pages they started creating after they noticed it was always the same user undoing them, but they were not nice (to put it very mildly). After the RfC passed for default protection on all root userpages (not user talk pages), I later decided to protect most of my subpages (except a draft I had in my userspace at the time which didn't go anywhere and I eventually deleted) to avoid vandals and new users being able to edit pages they shouldn't need to edit. That request at RFPP was granted. I requested page protection on all my currently unprotected subpages a few days ago with the same reasoning in mind. I just didn't realize I had created so many subpages in the time between that request and this one. — Gestrid (talk) 15:42, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- I was aware of that, and I answered at WP:RFP; my answer took the form of a note to allow other administrators to weigh in and protect the pages if they thought it warranted.....but no one else did. The part I quoted from the protection policy is still valid, though. As of now, I (still) would not protect as I do not see the actual necessity (no vandalism, no disruption). I admit there is a bit of admin disgression where, so perhaps you should relist it at RFP. I would then recuse myself from answering. As a sidenote: what might also be a problem is the amount of requests at RFP overall, with perhaps only about 5-10 admins dropping by regularly. Cheers and happy editing, and keep up the good work (I see you allover here, Teahouse etc). Lectonar (talk) 16:03, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think I'll relist at RFPP for now. It could be seen by some admins as somewhat disruptive since I made the request a few days ago and got an answer (albeit, not one that caused the bot to archive the request).
- Also, it's kind of amazing that, with as much vandalism as we get, there aren't enough admins on RFPP to answer requests seconds after they come in. I suppose it's because many users prefer to ask specific admins (ex. the bot they call Oshwah) on their talk pages and IRC to get answers quickly. And I guess users prefer to do that because not many admins patrol RFPP. It's an endless circle!
- — Gestrid (talk) 16:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- They aren't enough admins as it is it; I think around 540 are listed as acive at the moment, but this does not mean they are doing adminny things (activity being measured against edits, not admin actions). All in all I would tend to think that 90% of adming actions are done by 50-100 admins (100 being on the optimistic side here). I am in Europe, and I get the feeling that from the morning up until 2pm my time I am the only one doing RFP at all (I might be wrong, but it sure feels so). Anyway, thank you for taking all that in good grace. Lectonar (talk) 20:33, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Yemeni Civil War (2015–present)
Ransomware
Remove the freaking tag on top of the article! It is polluting the article! Holy Goo (talk) 20:26, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Protection_policy#Full_protection. Aren't you a little ray of sunshine. Lectonar (talk) 21:00, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Who was the nazi that came up with this bullshit. What happened to the padlock icon on the top right corner? Holy Goo (talk) 22:59, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- As I know you can write in a friendlier fashion when you put your mind to it....let's just say it like this: do your own research. Lectonar (talk) 07:00, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi Lectonar, please may you downgrade the protection level. From the protection log, talk page and page history I can't see the justification for full protection. You could downgrade to pending changes or semi? Tom B (talk) 09:36, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Actually, the talk-page being unused is an indication that the article need full protection; I have protected after a request at WP:RFP, because experienced editors were reverting back and forth all over the place. Form consensus on the talk-page and then the page can be unprotected. Lectonar (talk) 09:52, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Draft: SahBabii
Hi, I was wondering if you could help remove to protection/blacklist so that the SahBabii article can be created. I started a draft, thanks! 2602:30A:C06D:8D00:A91A:66FB:DC4D:575A (talk) 18:27, 16 May 2017 (UTC) Kimber0316 (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Page protection
Hello! Please consider adding a protection template on the page Love in the Moonlight as there has been several reverted edits by an IP address claiming other editors are sock-puppets without any proof and confirmation. Thanks! 103.212.222.155 (talk) 03:18, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I don't know why, in this case, an editor would claim they are socks of one specific user unless they are actually a sock of the specific user. Usually they just claim other editors are socks of no one specifically. It seems the user the IP mentions in their edit summaries was recently identified as an LTA, and, what's more, they also had a few of their accounts blocked on the 17th of this month. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bertrand101. — Gestrid (talk) 03:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Bruno Alves
I don't know {{pp}} or {{pp-vandalism}} should be added to the page as the page was protected. Matthew_hk tc 20:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
- Then go ahead, but actually it is not strictly necessary; for once, it will be added by a bot sometime in the next 18 hours, and the protection doesn't depend on the template being added: every IP or not-autoconfirmed editor who tries to edit the page will not be able to. I only template protected pages when I fully protect. Lectonar (talk) 21:32, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

