User:NewsAndEventsGuy/CCRM-Table
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Views expressed in climate change rename proposal
These personal notes are just what I think I heard others say. This is still a work in progress... Please wait a day or two or five.... for no changes, as evidence of stability/completion
Front stuff
- Main thread Talk:Climate_change#Requested_move_18_October_2019
- Compiled by NewsAndEventsGuy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Attempting to succinctly sum up per WP:OTHERSOPINION
- Full disclosure - as the RM (co)-proposer, I may have unconscious bias.
- Please use the attached talk page to ask for corrections
Table
What does "Narrow issue" mean?
As used in the table header, the "narrow issue" is
- What is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC most people associate with the phrase 'climate change',
- Is the existing title ambiguous?
- Since this article describes generic climate change, could the existing title be improved with parenthetical disambiguation (i.e., by adding "(general concept)" to the title?
What will closers look for?
Per WP:Closing discussions and WP:Arguments to avoid on discussion pages, closers (supposedly) look for more than just "Yes" and "No" type comments. They want to know what you think and more importantly WHY you think it.
Done for now - I think
These editors have been invited to review the data entry in this table and use the talk page to request changes.
| Editor | Support/Oppose per WP:NOTVOTE | Addressed narrow issue | "Discardable" tangents per WP:NHC | My notes | Editor invited to request table changes | Sidebar about this table with this editor |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| NewsAndEventsGuy | Yes | Yes | No | NAEG noted there are tangentially related issues to be decided at a future date. | NA | NA |
| NightHeron | Yes | Yes | Yes | Rename now, then discuss moving Global warming to "Climate change (human-caused)" and retargeting "climate change" to that page too. On substance, (s)he seems to have described WP:PRIMARYTOPIC without actually citing it. | ||
| EMsmile | Yes | No | No | Rename now, then discuss other reforms | ||
| Femkemilene | Yes | Yes | Yes | Rename now, plus (first choice) retarget "climate change" at global warming now, (second choice) is willing to discuss that later. Femke is a co-initiator/proposer who presented policy and statistic-based analysis on PRIMARYTOPIC in the most recent preliminary thread leading up to this rename proposal. | , | |
| RCraig09 | Yes | Yes | Yes | (moved MyNotes to talk) | talking here | |
| Efbrazil | Yes | No | Yes | Rename now, plus (first choice) discuss other reforms now, (second choice) discuss other reforms later | Talking here | |
| Clayoquot , | Yes | Yes | Yes | Rename now, then discuss retargeting "climate change" to global warming. To most people, "climate change" means "global warming". | talking here | |
| Colin M | Yes | Yes | Yes | Rename now, plus (first choice) retarget "climate change" at global warming now, (second choice) is willing to discuss that and several other options later. On substance said "mostly on the grounds that the current title is inappropriate on ptopic grounds." (meaning WP:PRIMARYTOPIC I think) | ||
| William M. Connolley | No | No | No | See List of fallacies (Thought-terminating cliché) | ||
| admin BD2412 | Neutral | Some | Yes | Neutral on renaming see sidebar and | sidebar done(?) | |
| Levivich | Yes | Some | Yes | Rename now, can refine new name later, wants to redirect "climate change" to global warming. On substance, seems to endorse the opening post's reasoning by saying "The "underlying A/B problem needs to be cleaned up, and this is, as advertised, sort of a first baby step towards doing that." | sidebar done(?) | |
| admin ArnoldReinhold | Neutral | Some | Yes | At first opposed but switched to "Neutral", wants to try a different title but not the one under discussion. However, is willing to not object in a gracious compromise to try it out and help the overall effort progress. Also wrote a lot of very general advice for the broad subject area... which I think would be better discussed at the CC project. | sidebar done(?) | |
| François Robere , | Yes | Yes | Yes | Rename now Despite confusing bold NotVote that says "conditional support", FB confirmed support for the narrow proposal right now.. FB also made suggestions for future changes, including redirecting "Climate change" to global warming, but is content to wait for future discussions. | most recent | None |
| Zxcvbnm | Yes | No | Yes | Rename now, viewed in isolation Z supports this change (asked and answered ). Z expressed a hedge based on tangential issues and what happens at a different article, which is akin to the "discountable" logical fallacy (Irrelevant conclusion) | none |
Still working on
These editors have not yet been invited to review the table. I am done with the first crude data entry but still need to do verify and double check and improve then ping these editors. I am doing one person at a time, and prioritizing responding to those who want to discuss the way I summarized their view. But I'll get to everyone if it isn't closed first.
| Editor | Support/Oppose per WP:NOTVOTE | Addressed narrow issue | "Discardable" tangents per WP:NHC | My notes | Editor invited to request table changes | Sidebar about this table with this editor | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SmokeyJoe | No | 2019-10-26, waiting for answer to a question asked here , Oct 29 reminder | |||||
| J. Johnson | No | 2019-10-27, waiting for answers to two questions asked here (comments have been added, I still need to process them) | |||||
| UaMaol | No | 2019-10-28, waiting for answers to two questions asked here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_change&diff=923475178&oldid=923397172 | |||||
| Example | Example | Example | Example | Example | Example | Example | |
| Example | Example | Example | Example | Example | Example | Example | |
For when it takes me more words to do good job of WP:OTHERSOPINION
I think SmokeyJoe Thinks
(still drafting, will ping when I am happy with this)
I asked a pending question here
I think J. Johnson thinks
(still drafting, will ping when I am happy with this)