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Here's my point about the citation style. If I use

<ref name="Johnweal99">Weal, (1999) page 53</ref>

It shows in the Citation section, reference to the very first entry from that book. Say page 24. Evenif my citation content says otherwise.

^[1]

Only if I use

<ref>Weal (1999), page 53.</ref>

That I get desired results. In many cases where the Citation section pointed to Page 185, my cite was actually pointing to somewhere else!. ^[2]

Can someone shed some light on this ? Thanks Perseus71 (talk) 04:13, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Without knowing which article this is in it's hard to be sure, but at a guess I'd say that you've used the same value for the name= attribute on more than one <ref></ref> tag. That is to say, your article probably contains both of the following:

<ref name="Johnweal99">Weal, (1999) page 24</ref>

<ref name="Johnweal99">Weal, (1999) page 53</ref>

The two things to remember are (a) ref names must be unique; and (b) it is only necessary to name a <ref></ref> if exactly the same source was used for two or more different items in the article - if the source was only used once, the name is unnecessary.

Let's consider a hypothetical example. Assume that on page 24 of said book, there are two statements "Elephants are big" and "Giraffes are tall", and that on page 53 we have the statement "Elephants, giraffes and lions are all native to Africa". Now suppose that the article text reads:

There are many large animals in the world, among which are elephants. Elephants come from Africa, as do giraffes. Giraffes are noted for being tall.

We would reference this as follows:

There are many large animals in the world, among which are elephants.<ref name="Johnweal99">Weal, (1999) page 24</ref> Elephants come from Africa, as do giraffes.<ref>Weal, (1999) page 53</ref> Giraffes are noted for being tall.<ref name="Johnweal99" />

which produces:

There are many large animals in the world, among which are elephants.^[1] Elephants come from Africa, as do giraffes.^[2] Giraffes are noted for being tall.^[1]

Note that the page 53 ref is unnamed, because it's only needed once. However, if the page 53 ref is needed twice, it does need to be named; but the name must be unique. One possibility is to include the page number in the name, as follows:

There are many large animals in the world, among which are elephants.<ref name="Johnweal99">Weal, (1999) page 24</ref> Elephants come from Africa, as do giraffes.<ref name="Johnweal99p53">Weal, (1999) page 53</ref> Giraffes are noted for being tall.<ref name="Johnweal99" /> Another African animal is the lion.<ref name="Johnweal99p53" />

which produces:

There are many large animals in the world, among which are elephants.^[1] Elephants come from Africa, as do giraffes.^[2] Giraffes are noted for being tall.^[1] Another African animal is the lion.^[2]

If you would like me to fix the article directly, please post the article name here. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:42, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Presuming you are referring to Jagdgeschwader 11: multiple references have the names "Johnweal06" and "Dannyparker98". I used the error check feature of RefToolbar. I will let you fix these, as the page numbers differ. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 15:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I see that the article is actively being edited by others (including Perseus71), and haven't jumped in to fix these problems. I tend to use names like weal2006 for a general ref to a 2006 book by Weal, like weal2006p5 or weal2006pp27-28 for refs to specific pages in that book. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:40, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you all for the clarification as well as the offer of help. It is immensely appreciated. Yes, I was referring to JG 11. But that's too an example to the point. This article failed first round of GA for this reason. Yes the pages do differ. I did manage to go through every single cite to change pages. You are welcome to take a look and provide your feedback. Thanks once again. Perseus71 (talk) 05:01, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Afterthought -

If this is the reason for naming the Cites, then why do you have a "REF=" parameter in the Cite Book ? Isn't that supposed to tie somehow to a cite from that book ?

{{cite book}}

Please let me know. Perseus71 (talk) 13:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Entirely different purpose. The |ref= parameter of {{cite book}} (and most of the other cite templates) is indeed an anchor for an internal link, but the <ref name=></ref> cannot provide that link - its purpose is to avoid duplication of identical refs, and permit their re-use. Let's take our earlier example, but this time enhance the shortened footnotes so that they will link:

There are many large animals in the world, among which are elephants.<ref name="Johnweal99">[[#refWeal1999|Weal, (1999)]] page 24</ref> Elephants come from Africa, as do giraffes.<ref>[[#refWeal1999|Weal, (1999)]] page 53</ref> Giraffes are noted for being tall.<ref name="Johnweal99" />

{{reflist}}

*{{cite book |last=Weal |first=John |year=1999 |title=Example book of animals |publisher=Daily Planet Publishers |location=Metropolis |ref=refWeal1999 }}

which produces:

There are many large animals in the world, among which are elephants.^[1] Elephants come from Africa, as do giraffes.^[2] Giraffes are noted for being tall.^[1]

• Weal, John (1999). Example book of animals. Metropolis: Daily Planet Publishers.

If you click either of the little ^[1]s, these take you to "^{^ a b} Weal, (1999) page 24"; similarly, ^[2] takes you to "^{^} Weal, (1999) page 53". If you click either of those, it takes you to the full citation. The movement is performed in at least Firefox, Chome and IE7, but Firefox and Chrome will also highlight the link target in pale blue; IE7 won't. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah Ha! That is the most important lesson for me! Immense appreciation.   Perseus 71 ^talk 17:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

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