User:Thinker78/Draft MOS:LEADLENGTH table modification
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This page is an analysis of various information and values to maybe develop a new table for MOS:LEADLENGTH, it doesn't necessarily indicates that everything is intended for integration in the guideline. Is a work in progress and your questions and comments in the talk page are appreciated.
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Thread consensus analysis for table modification
Derived from discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Seeking consensus for table modification.
- Hawkeye7 doesn't want kb column.
- NewsAndEventsGuy wants kb column (although agrees with the rationale of WhatamIdoing) and supports keeping or adding the character and words columns if consensus is gained first in WP:SIZERULE.
- WhatamIdoing doesn't want kb column. Wants lead length limit suggestion in words, no more than 1,000 and no more than a 2-minute read.
- SandyGeorgia wants lead length limit suggestion in words and mostly percentage of article, but doesn't want kb nor characters nor cutting good leads to follow the guideline.
- Ovinus likes the four-paragraph rule and more than the word and character count.
- XOR'easter doesn't want a table nor numerical limits on the lead.
- GreenC doesn't want a formulaic guideline.
Paragraph length in writing
A paragraph in the context of general writing not limited to Wikipedia, can consist of a single letter, a word, or as long as needs to be or the writer wants—even pages long. The average paragraph is 200 words and is recommended to be from 3 to 8 sentences, although in academic writing it ranges from 6 to 8. For younger audiences it is recommended shorter paragraphs and in general for all audiences for easier reading.[1][2] Wikipedia's audience is mostly young and guidance states that "Editors should avoid lengthy paragraphs". In addition, it is recommended that for a wider audience in the general public, the readability of a text be aimed for students in the eighth grade,[3] who may have a reading speed of 150 words per minute.[4] Therefore, shorter paragraphs should be used.
| Number of | Very short | Short | Average | Long | Very long | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| r | Regular sentences | 1~2 | 2~4 | 4~6 | 6~8 | 8~10+ |
| r | Regular words | 1~80 | 80~160 | 160~240 | 240~320 | 320~400+ |
| a | Academic sentences | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 |
| a | Academic words | 200~240 | 240~280 | 280~320 | 320~460 | 460~600+ |
| Number of | Very short | Short | Average | Long | Very long | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| r | Regular sentences | 1-3 | 3-5 | 5-7 | 7-9 | 9+ |
| r | Regular words | 1-50 | 50-150 | 150-250 | 250-350 | 350+ |
| Proportion r.w./r. sent | 1-15 | 15-30 | 30-35 | 35-40 | 40+ | |
| a | Academic sentences | 5-6 | 6-7 | 7-8 | 8-9 | 9+ |
| a | Academic words | 5-90 | 90-210 | 210-280 | 280-360 | 360+ |
| Std. | Number of | Very short | Short | Average | Long | Very long |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| LP | Lines letter-page[a] | 1-3 | 3-6 | 6-10 | 11 | 12+ |
| O | Lines online[b] | 1-2 | 2-3 | 3-5[c] | 6 | 7+ |
| LP | Words letter page | 1~50 | 50~100 | 100~170 | 170-200 | 200+ |
| O | Words online | 1~40 | 40~60 | 60~100 | 100~140 | 140+ |
| Number of | Very short | Short | Average | Long | Very long |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sentences | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6+ |
| Words | 80~100 | 100~130 | 130~160 | 160~200 | 200+ |
| Number of | Very short | Short | Average | Long | Very long |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sentences | 1-3 | 3-4 | 4-7 | 7-8 | 8+ |
| Words per sentence | 10-15- | 15-20 | 20-25 | 25-30 | 30 |
| Words | 30-45 | 45~80 | 80~175 | 175~240 | 240+ |
| Number of | Very short | Short | Average | Long | Very long |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sentences | 1-2 | 2-3 | 3-5 | 5-6 | 6+ |
| Words per sentence | 1-15 | 15-20 | 20-25 | 25-30 | 30+ |
| Words | 1-30 | 30-60 | 60-125 | 125-180 | 180+ |
Mobile
In progress.
Articles statistics
Average of around 600 words per article in all Wikipedia, per Wikipedia:Size of Wikipedia.
| Type | Quantity | % | |
| 1 | FA | 7,799 | 0.11 |
| 2 | FL | 2,210 | 0.03 |
| 3 | A | 2,325 | 0.03 |
| 4 | GA | 41,098 | 0.59 |
| 5 | B | 161,290 | 2.31 |
| 6 | C | 484,743 | 6.95 |
| 7 | Start | 2,233,820 | 32.04 |
| 8 | Stub | 3,732,746 | 53.55 |
| 9 | List | 304,937 | 4.37 |
| 10 | Total Assessed | 6,970,968 | 100.00 |
FA stats
Overall articles at time of viewing
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | Lead paragraphs | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Priyanka Chopra | 9615 | 529 | 4 | yes |
| 2 | Battle of Blenheim | 6712 | 449 | 4 | yes |
| 3 | HMS Formidable (67) | 5913 | 256 | 3 | yes |
| 4 | Volubilis | 5054 | 385 | 3 | yes |
| 5 | Jonathan Agnew | 4529 | 306 | 4 | no |
| 6 | Ediacaran biota | 4091 | 563 | 5 | no |
| 7 | Jerry Voorhis | 3688 | 278 | 4 | no |
| 8 | Augustinian theodicy | 3536 | 448 | 3 | yes |
| 9 | Caspian expeditions of the Rus' | 2223 | 254 | 2 | yes |
| 10 | London Beer Flood | 1418 | 194 | 2 | yes |
| Average | 4,678 | 366 (8%) | 3 (~1 / 1.5k words) | 70% |
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | Lead paragraphs | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Baháʼí Faith | 6844 | 390 | 4 | yes |
| 2 | Georges Bizet | 6672 | 393 | 4 | yes |
| 3 | Edward VII | 6369 | 293 | 3 | yes |
| 4 | Baltimore railroad strike of 1877 | 4336 | 203 | 3 | yes |
| 5 | Bengali language movement | 3563 | 353 | 3 | yes |
| 6 | Capon Chapel | 2772 | 384 | 4 | no |
| 7 | Hurricane Humberto (2019) | 2634 | 341 | 2 | yes |
| 8 | California Pacific International Exposition half dollar | 1959 | 199 | 2 | yes |
| 9 | 1st Cavalry Division (Kingdom of Yugoslavia) | 1684 | 244 | 2 | yes |
| 10 | Banksia aculeata | 1502 | 149 | 2 | yes |
| Average | 3,834 | 295 (8%) | 3 (1 / 1.3k words) | 90% |
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | Lead paragraphs | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Canberra | 9406 | 639 | 5 | no |
| 2 | Martin Bucer | 7270 | 338 | 4 | yes |
| 3 | Ann Bannon | 6386 | 292 | 2 | no |
| 4 | Angkor Wat | 5134 | 306 | 3 | yes |
| 5 | California State Route 52 | 3593 | 332 | 3 | yes |
| 6 | Charles Atangana | 3568 | 259 | 2 | yes |
| 7 | 1991 Perfect Storm | 3354 | 522 | 2 | yes |
| 8 | 2009 New York's 20th congressional district special election | 2244 | 363 | 4 | no |
| 9 | Hurricane Fred (2015) | 2048 | 337 | 2 | yes |
| 10 | A Canterlot Wedding | 1698 | 259 | 2 | yes |
| Average | 4,470 | 365 (8%) | 3 (1 / 1.5k) | 70% |
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | Lead paragraphs | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Overall articles at time of FA rating
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | % | Lead paragraphs | 1/x | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Battle of Blenheim | 6694 | 419 | 6.5 | 4 | 1700 | yes | |
| Priyanka Chopra | 6559 | 432 | 6.5 | 4 | 1600 | yes | |
| HMS Formidable (67) | 5663 | 253 | 4.5 | 3 | 1900 | yes | |
| Volubilis | 4476 | 336 | 7.5 | 3 | 1500 | yes | |
| Jonathan Agnew | 4388 | 298 | 7.0 | 3 | 1500 | yes | |
| Jerry Voorhis | 3660 | 258 | 7.0 | 4 | 900 | no | |
| Augustinian theodicy | 3181 | 405 | 12.5 | 3 | 1000 | yes | |
| Ediacaran biota | 3180 | 347 | 11.0 | 3 | 1100 | yes | |
| Caspian expeditions of the Rus' | 2146 | 230 | 10.5 | 2 | 1000 | yes | |
| London Beer Flood | 1390 | 180 | 13.0 | 2 | 700 | yes | |
| Average | 4134 | 316 | 8.5 | 3 | 1290 | 90% |
Health articles
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | Lead paragraphs | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Golding Bird | 8169 | 353 | 4 | yes |
| 2 | Bacteria | 7399 | 405 | 3 | no |
| 3 | Amphetamine | 7065 | 394 | 4 | yes |
| 4 | Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany | 4888 | 406 | 5 | no |
| 5 | Chagas disease | 4777 | 446 | 5 | no |
| 6 | Acute myeloid leukemia – | 3882 | 288 | 4 | yes |
| 7 | Bupropion | 3726 | 286 | 4 | yes |
| 8 | Buruli ulcer | 3307 | 314 | 4 | yes |
| 9 | Alaska Mental Health Enabling Act | 3269 | 243 | 3 | yes |
| 10 | Beta-Hydroxy beta-methylbutyric acid | 3099 | 291 | 3 | yes |
| Average | 4958 | 343 (7%) | 4 (~1 / 1.3k words) | 70% |
A stats
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | Lead paragraphs | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Ontario Highway 55 | 782 | |||
| 2 | 19th Mechanized Division (Greece) | 2892 | |||
| 3 | 32nd Infantry Division Triglavski | 2225 | |||
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GA stats
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | Lead paragraphs | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Aristotle | 9285 | 506 | 4 | yes |
| 2 | Alcoholism | 6355 | 621 | 6 | no |
| 3 | 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days | 4712 | 238 | 3 | yes |
| 4 | Louvre Abu Dhabi | 3156 | 136 | 2 | yes |
| 5 | Stanford Fleet Street Singers | 1786 | 269 | 3 | no |
| 6 | 2019 AFL Women's Grand Final | 1778 | 105 | 1 | yes |
| 7 | 1989 Sukhumi riots | 1625 | 143 | 2 | yes |
| 8 | Russell Aitken (RAF officer) | 1422 | 241 | 2 | yes |
| 9 | Floating Clouds (artwork) | 1032 | 137 | 2 | yes |
| 10 | The Accounting Review | 761 | 136 | 2 | yes |
| Average | 3191 | 253 (8%) | 3 (~1 / 1k words) | 80% |
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B stats
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | Lead paragraphs | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Alien (film) | 12076 | 406 | 3 | yes |
| 2 | Ariana Grande | 9931 | 655 | 4 | yes |
| 3 | 1942 Design Light Fleet Carrier | 4418 | 405 | 4 | no |
| 4 | 3:10 to Yuma (2007 film) | 2649 | 130 | 1 | no |
| 5 | Ellen Atkinson | 1913 | 139 | 2 | yes |
| 6 | 1954 Bjørnøya Consolidated PBY Catalina crash | 1745 | 181 | 2 | yes |
| 7 | À rebours | 1501 | 208 | 2 | yes |
| 8 | Katee Sackhoff | 1411 | 238 | 3 | no |
| 9 | 1st Arkansas 30 Day Volunteer Regiment | 996 | 49 | 1 | yes |
| 10 | Arizona State Route 51 | 871 | 143 | 2 | yes |
| Average | 3751 | 255 (7%) | 2 (~1 / 1.9k words) | 70% |
C stats
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | ~Lead % | Lead paragraphs | Proportion [d] | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Acquisition of 21st Century Fox by Disney | 7364 | 146 | 2 | 1 | 7364 | no |
| 2 | 1947–1949 Palestine war | 4868 | 766 | 16 | 4 | 1217 | no |
| 3 | 'En Esur | 2238 | 221 | 10 | 3 | 746 | no |
| 4 | Abstand and ausbau languages | 1348 | 144 | 11 | 2 | 674 | yes |
| 5 | Adam Bede | 1040 | 71 | 7 | 1 | 1040 | yes |
| 6 | 1 Second Everyday | 841 | 87 | 10 | 2 | 420 | yes |
| 7 | Nabia Abbott | 649 | 80 | 12 | 1 | 649 | yes |
| 8 | 0 A.D. (video game) | 505 | 96 | 19 | 1 | 505 | yes |
| 9 | African brown knifefish | 452 | 45 | 10 | 1 | 452 | yes |
| 10 | 1 Bridge Street, Chester | 336 | 80 | 24 | 1 | 336 | yes |
| Average | 1,964 | 174 (9%) | 12 | 2 (1 / 1k words) | 70% |
Start stats
| # | Article | Article words | Lead words | Lead paragraphs | Complies w current guideline |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 20th Century Animation | 2270 | 191 | 2 | yes |
| 2 | 24 Minutes | 1081 | 155 | 3 | no |
| 3 | 1601 (Mark Twain) | 687 | 166 | 4 | no |
| 4 | 3rd convocation of the People's Assembly of Abkhazia | 825 | 16 | 1 | yes |
| 5 | 2009 Yas Marina GP2 Asia Series round | 723 | 98 | 1 | yes |
| 6 | 3Below: Tales of Arcadia | 479 | 119 | 3 | no |
| 7 | a capella (Ylvis song) | 436 | 45 | 1 | yes |
| 8 | Hilda May Abba | 377 | 36 | 1 | yes |
| 9 | 1998 Portuguese abortion referendum | 335 | 262 | 4 | no |
| 10 | 2D Materials (journal) | 97 | 44 | 1 | yes |
| Average | 731 | 113 (16%) | 2 (1 / 350 words) | 60% |
Size of articles
According to the previous article statistics.
FA at viewing
| From | Med | To[e] | Proportional size |
|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 2,000 | Very small | |
| 2,000 | 4,000 | Small | |
| 4,000 | 5,000 | 6,000 | Medium |
| 6,000 | 8,000 | Large | |
| 8,000 | + | Very large |
| Level | From | To | Proportional size |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 0 | 4,000 | Small |
| 2 | 4,000 | 6,000 | Medium |
| 3 | 6,000 | + | Large |
| Level | From | To | Proportional size |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 0 | 3,000 | Small |
| 2 | 3,000 | 5500 | Medium |
| 3 | 5,500 | + | Large |
Overall
| Level | From | To | Proportional size |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 0 | 1,400 | Very small |
| 2 | 1,400 | 3,600 | Small |
| 3 | 3,600 | 5,700 | Medium |
| 4 | 5,700 | 7,000 | Large |
| 5 | 7,000+ | Very large |
| Level | From | To | Proportional size |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 0 | 3,500 | Small |
| 2 | 3,500 | 6,000 | Medium |
| 3 | 6,000 | + | Large |
Complex math
Statistical calculations derived from the articles' data.
Number of FA articles in Wikipedia (N) = 7,799
N=7,799
New recommended lead length guideline
According to the articles' statistics. Notice that per MOS:LEAD, "The lead of a Wikipedia article [...] is the section before the table of contents and the first heading." Therefore, some articles can't have a lead due to its minimal size; for example, stubs or start articles devoid of a heading in the body. For practicality, guidance in the tables start in 0 size in words.
Option 1
| Max. chars. | Article size in words | Statistical Size | Proportional size | Lead %
max. |
Lead words[j] | Lead paragraphs | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| From | To[k] | Lead proportion[l] | ||||||
| 9,000 | 0 | 1,500 | Average | Very small | 15 | 5 - 250 | 1 - 4 | 1 / 350 |
| 24,000 | 1,500 | 4,000 | C | Small | 9 | 200-350 | 2 - 5 | 1 / 1,000 |
| 39,000 | 4,000 | 6,500 | GA | Medium | 8 | 300-500 | 4 - 7 | 1 / 1,000 |
| 60,000 | 6,500 | 10,000 | FA, B | Large | 7 | 400-700 | 5 - 8 | 1 / 1,300 |
| 60,000+ | 10,000 | + | Topper | Very large | 5 | 600-850 | 6 - 12 | 1 / 1,500 |
Option 1.1
| Max. chars. | Article size in words | Statistical Size | Proportional size | Lead %
max. |
Lead words[m] | Lead paragraphs[n] | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| From | To[o] | ||||||
| 9,000 | 0 | 1,500 | Average | Very small | 15 | 5 - 250 | 1 - 7 |
| 24,000 | 1,500 | 4,000 | C | Small | 9 | 200-350 | 2 - 9 |
| 39,000 | 4,000 | 6,500 | GA | Medium | 8 | 300-500 | 3 - 13 |
| 60,000 | 6,500 | 10,000 | FA, B | Large | 7 | 400-700 | 5 - 18 |
| 60,000+ | 10,000 | + | Topper | Very large | 5 | 600-850 | 7 - 22 |
Option 2
| Max. chars. | Article size in words | Statistical Size | Proportional size | Lead %
max[p] |
Lead words | Lead paragraphs | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| From | To[q] | Lead proportion[r] | ||||||
| 9,000 | 0 | 1,500 | Average | Very small | 30 | 5 - 500 | 1 - 8 | 1 / 175 |
| 24,000 | 1,500 | 4,000 | C | Small | 18 | 200-700 | 3 - 10 | 1 / 500 |
| 39,000 | 4,000 | 6,500 | GA | Medium | 16 | 600-1000 | 8 - 13 | 1 / 500 |
| 60,000 | 6,500 | 10,000 | FA, B | Large | 14 | 850-1400 | 10 - 16 | 1 / 650 |
| 60,000+ | 10,000 | + | Topper | Very large | 10 | 1250-1700 | 13 - 20 | 1 / 750 |
Option 3
The following is based on a goal of no more than 3 minutes reading, at a reading speed of 150 words per minute, roughly 80 words per paragraph.
| Max. chars. | Article size in words | Statistical Size | Proportional size | Lead words | Lead paragraphs | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| From | To[s] | |||||
| 9,000 | 0 | 1,500 | Start, Average | Small | 5 - 150 | 1-2 |
| 39,000 | 1,500 | 6,500 | C, GA | Medium | 100-250 | 2-4 |
| 60,000 | 6,500 | 10,000 | FA, B | Large | 200-350 | 3-5 |
| 60,000+ | 10,000 | + | Topper | Very large | 300-450 | 4-6 |
Option 4
Several paragraphs
An example of a current article with many paragraphs in the lead is History of India. The article has 16,600 words and the lead more than 900 words and 9 paragraphs.
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Number of paragraphs in leadConsidering an upper limite of page size of 100k characters (per WP:SIZESPLIT) or 17k words and a 10% lead of 1.7k words, we could calculate in a provisional basis—according to similar guidance by most of the tables about short paragraphs—80 words per paragraph[v] and an upper limit of 20 paragraphs in the lead. With article length segmented based on current MOS:LEADLENGTH table
More lead length tablesBased on analysis of lead examples provided in the thread "Seeking consensus for table modification". A goal of the lead being 10% or less of the overall article length is followed in these tables, according to general advice for abstracts.
Analysis of lead examples in MOS:LEAD talk thread
Note: The LG400, LGSRW, LGSAW columns indicate the applicable row number in the relevant table that the linked lead falls under (for example, the value of 1 in the LG400 column points to row 1 in the Lead guidance 400 words LG400 table). | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
See also
Notes
- Size of line 17 words per averaging random text in word editor.
- According to the source's author writing, size of regular line is about 20 words.
- (1 paragraph per x words)
- Calculated according to the average of the corresponding type of article, doubling it to set the limit.
- Calculated according to the average of the corresponding type of article, doubling it to set the limit.
- FA health articles, which seem to be longer than other FA
- based on FA articles size
- Simplified version of option 2
- Based roughly in the lead %, with more flexible ranges and without outliers.
- Calculated according to the average of the corresponding type of article, doubling it to set the limit.
- 1 lead paragraph per x article words (1/x)
- Based roughly in the lead %, with more flexible ranges and without outliers.
- Calculated using the lower and upper short range of the PBW-O and HLG standards respectively. E.g.: for a medium lead of 100 words, 2 paragraphs because 100/80=1, plus one for being one rank above a small lead, and for 250 words, up to 7 paragraphs, because 250/40=>6.
- Calculated according to the average of the corresponding type of article, doubling it to set the limit.
- Calculated by doubling the lead % average of the articles' stats.
- Calculated according to the average of the corresponding type of article, doubling it to set the limit.
- 1 lead paragraph per x article words (1/x); calculated by doubling the proportion in the articles' stats average.
- Calculated according to the average of the corresponding type of article, doubling it to set the limit.
- Calculated using the lower and upper short range of the PBW-O and HLG standards respectively. E.g.: for a medium lead of 100 words, 2 paragraphs because 100/80=1, plus one for being one rank above a small lead, and for 250 words, up to 7 paragraphs, because 250/40=>6.
- Calculated according to the average of the corresponding type of article, doubling it to set the limit.
- About the average of the tables in the short range.
- Per WP:SIZERULE
- Based on an editor comment they would like something like a 400 word limit