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FYI, just created Tennessee Confederate Women's Monument "under construction"...Zigzig20s (talk) 18:11, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

There may be another name because I can't find more matches about the dedication on Newspapers.com, which is unusual for these kinds of stories.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:30, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Trump Unity Bridge is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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<sarcasm>Thanks for giving this article time to develop...</sarcasm> ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I could see this coming as soon as it hit the WP:WPUS50 list. So I did some prelim research to make sure there were RSes. I think it'll be good. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:28, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: Thanks for doing some research before casting your vote. Can't say all AfD participants do the same. And I'd say the article should be safe, too, except I've seen articles about other notable topics deleted, which I then had to fight to rescue. Hoping I don't have to do that again here, and I'm trying to update the timeline to show other appearances and offer more sources. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

When it comes to the 2016 elections, you have more experience than I do with choosing article topics and titles that stick. I want to start something like talking about the phrase "One people under one God saluting one flag" that candidate Trump used during election season (I mentioned it at the Trump Bridge talkpage). Do you think it would be better to try to fit it into one of the existing articles? I have about nine fifteen sources that I feel are really good which you can see here. What do you think? ☆ Bri (talk) 18:09, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: I'd say it's worth moving into the main space and seeing what happens. I'd also say expect an AfD nomination, since most Trump-related articles seem to get thrown into that pipeline. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay here goes. My opinion is outright deletion would be wildly inappropriate with this many hih quality sources. But merging would be awkward too, also partly because of the number of sources. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:39, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Good luck! Fingers crossed, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

On 21 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Spirit of the Confederacy, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the purpose of the statue Spirit of the Confederacy (illustration pictured) in Houston, Texas, unveiled on Robert E. Lee's birthday in 1908, has been questioned since the 2015 Charleston church shooting and the 2017 Unite the Right rally? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Spirit of the Confederacy. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Spirit of the Confederacy), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih^Talk 00:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

• This was a good thing you started. Drmies (talk) 00:14, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
  • @Drmies: Thanks! Some editors weren't thrilled with the way I was creating many new stubs about Confederate monuments, but this is an example of what comes from planting those seeds. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
    • Really? Well, I got no problem with it at all and I appreciate it. The local Robert E. Lee high school here might be renamed... Drmies (talk) 00:40, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
      • Like ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Dear respected sir can you please teach me how to create an info section on right side of article where personal info is available? Please teach me to become a good Wikipedia editor like you. I will be very great full in this regard.Hide211 (talk) 04:50, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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Edith D. Pope should probably have an article. There's a whole book about her, but for some reason not too many obituaries on Newspapers.com--just a few whose access is "restricted" as they are "extra matches". I still think we should create a stub. Are you in?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:53, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to create stubs of interest. You might also submit these sorts of requests to WikiProject Women, Women in Red, etc. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:54, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

OK...Zigzig20s (talk) 01:15, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Created a stub. Just so you know, she helped install Confederate monuments as a member of the UDC.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:45, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for creating a new stub! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:56, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:10, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for the two new categories, the statues of U.S. presidents and the Statuary Hall collection, both logical categories to have on Wikipedia and each informative and interesting. Nice work. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:02, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn: Thanks! Carptash and I are still plugging away at Talk:National Statuary Hall Collection, slowly but surely, to create stubs for all state statues in the collection. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:07, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

A lot of statues and research to go on that predominately red-linked list, quite the project. Not one I feel a pull toward, but very worthwhile. Such a major task that I hope you both only work on them when it's fun. Your statue project will fill in a good deal of history for readers, could be linked in many places, and researchers will eventually grab much of it as 'background research' and write a book. That's what I expect from a category like 'Dogs in art' (and congrats on the save of the Titian/dogs category), someone to use it as an already-compiled start-of-a-list for the foundation of a really good book (although I hope anyone doing that knows that there are still a large percentage of dogs-in-art pages not yet represented with full articles on Wikipedia). I wish more people knew how fun it is to "work" on Wikipedia, which is still young enough to have plenty of room to roam and be surprised at what has or hasn't been done. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:24, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

I thought that I understood how to do the Presidential statues category thing, but no. There is a section (or maybe the whole article) of Fountain of the Centaurs that needs to be included in the Thomas Jefferson section, but my attempt failed. Can you please take a look at it? Also I am about to invade another of the Jeffersons with an addition that we might need to talk about. Probably tomorrow. Carptrash (talk) 02:59, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

@Carptrash: Your sort command was correct. When I viewed the category, I saw "Fountain of the Centaurs" under "J" for "Jefferson". However, I removed this command from the article because the article's title doesn't mention Jefferson at all. I think you should only sort by last name for articles referencing the person's name. Does that make sense? In other words, I understand you want to group all Jefferson depictions, but someone viewing the Presidential statues category would have no idea why Fountain of the Centaurs appears under "J". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:16, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, might be time to consider creating Category:Statues of Thomas Jefferson. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:39, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

@Another Believer: I've had many of those same thoughts, but as often is the case, was bold. Not always the best policy. The Jefferson category for sure. I am working on the Bitter Jefferson, waiting to hear from some librarians in Portland, but eventually the "Louisiana Purchase" panel at the Centaurs fountain will have its own article. At that point I'll return it to the Jefferson category. Searching for Jefferson statues is somewhat complicated with the deluge of "Jefferson Davis" replies. Oh well. Carptrash (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

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FYI, since you basically co-created this, maybe you want to know I filed this report on Ricardo Baca. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:49, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: Thanks for the heads up. I went ahead and restored to remove all the unsourced content. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:51, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Wow, quick! Not sure I agree with this description either but I'm not going to make a thing about every change.

Do you remember having NPOV issues with other articles? I think there was a Southwestern attorney but don't recall the article title. Oh, also these two you deleted from the list had been created by an undisclosed paid-editing sockfarm. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:46, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: I don't remember there being other COI issue, nor a Southwestern attorney. But would they be listed at WP:420? Thanks for the heads up re: the deleted WP:420 articles -- I just assumed they were deemed non-notable post-creation. --Another Believer _(Talk) 00:54, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Think I found it. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Herzberg. I believe now that it was created a few days before the article drive began. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

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@Northamerica1000: Thank you, and Happy Halloween! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:37, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello. I was wondering if you thought we should create Category:Sculptures of African-Americans, and if so, which articles we could add please? Surely there must be at least some?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:53, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: Hey! Instead of creating a category for the sake of creating one, we should first identify the parent article(s). Would Category:Art depicting people and Category:Sculptures by subject be the parent categories? I'm trying to find an appropriately subcategory in Category:African-American society. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:35, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah! Seems User:Carptrash beat me/us to the punch. I'll try to help populate the category. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:36, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Category:Black people in art already existed, though its name is somewhat ambiguous to me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

That one includes paintings though.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:19, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 and Zigzig20s: Keep in mind, black and African-American are not the same. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:33, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Suggest that it include one more new category for sculptures and busts of Martin Luther King Jr. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:27, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: So, Category:Sculptures of Martin Luther King Jr. as a subcategory of Category:Cultural depictions of Martin Luther King Jr. and Category:Works about Martin Luther King Jr.? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:48, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

That looks about riht. I know it gets a little intricate, but that is what happens to the figures about whom a great deal has been expressed. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:16, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Bri:  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:31, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

There are more African Americans in sculpture - those pieces just don't have articles. Yet. I saw something about this and thought that there already was a category, so when I went to add to it, it appears that I started it. Oh well, Carptrash (talk) 05:48, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi again. Are you interested in expanding this article (especially the "career" section) if I send you the Filson RS? I can add you as a co-editor for the DYK if you do.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:07, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: Thanks, but I am not interested in taking on this task. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:14, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

His mother was the donor behind the Four Southern Poets Monument, and he attended the dedication!Zigzig20s (talk) 19:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Just not the sort of article I prefer to spend my time on. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:27, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I started this and now am not sure what to do with it. At first I thought it would be fodder for the urban legends list, but I think it'd get AfD'd or something. So: fold into Chelsea Clinton? Or United States presidential election, 2016? Hmmm... ? ☆ Bri (talk) 01:07, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: I'm not sure this is independently notable, so maybe just post a note on the Chelsea Clinton talk page asking if this should be mentioned somehow? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:10, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

A subsection on Chelsea Clinton's page (or even a few lines).Zigzig20s (talk) 02:12, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice AB and Zigzig20s. I'll rev this up tomorrow, probably. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:36, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Posted here. I was surprised that there wasn't already a section in her bio for the 2016 campaign. Standing by for extreme blowback. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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Did you see my note on the NRHP WP talkpage?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but I am not interested in addressing the article's problems at the moment. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:07, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. Lots of beautiful mansions in Jackson but I don't think they would like my tiara!Zigzig20s (talk) 05:16, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Another Believer, I've noticed that many of the Grammy lists you helped become featured years ago don't have scope rows and cols that are required per MOS:ACCESS. I just wanted to let you know I've been adding them in so they're up to standard. Happy editing! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 01:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@BeatlesLedTV: Yes, I've been seeing your work in my watchlist. Thanks for your help improving these lists, many of which were promoted years ago. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Another Believer:

I created JW Marriott Downtown Houston in December of 2014. You assigned it to Houston Wikiproject in January 2015, but it has not been rated yet. I have a request for assistance, if you don't mind. Wikipedia seems to be running the assessment and reassessment processes through the Wikiprojects. I did not see a place to request assessment and reassessment through the Wikiproject Houston. I have been editing some Houston-related articles, and many of these warrant a reassessment. Perhaps I have misunderstood these processes. If it is not too much trouble, would you mind instructing me on this? Thanks, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 09:06, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@Oldsanfelipe: Thanks for your work on so many Houston-related articles. I see your user name on Wikipedia often. To be honest, you shouldn't overthink the assessment ratings or avoid assessing your own articles. I rarely worry about differentiating between Start-class, C-class, and B-class. Stubs are easy to identify. Most of the time I just rate articles as Start-class, then promote to Good article status after a successful review. The differences between Start, C, and B can be a bit subjective. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@Another Believer: Thanks for stepping in.

Many of the articles I have worked on will never be GA. JW Marriott Downtown Houston is one example. There is not enough secondary literature about the subject to tell a comprehensive story. Even including biographical material about SF Carter would not get it there. In other cases, I just don't know enough about the subject to make the article that much better on my own.

Jesse H. Jones is an article that has potential for GA and beyond. I have been working on it, but there are still gaps in the narrative, verification of sources, and formatting issues before it warrants a GA. An article I just created, Streckfus Steamers, has GA-potential. Much of it is based on a book called Jazz on the River. I was borrowing a library copy, and I will need to check it out again. There are so many details that I am not sure that I am remembering correctly. cheers, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 22:33, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Interested in collaboration on Portland Loo? I've just started to collect sources. It's an urban thing created in Portland, if you don't know. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:20, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: Sure! I didn't know the Loo was notable enough for an article, but after doing a quick Google search, I'd say there's enough coverage. Do you want to create the initial stub? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:23, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Started. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:37, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Why did you remove the photos, did they violate something?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:11, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kintetsubuffalo: Images should be displayed as thumbs within the article's prose, and given context, not as standalone galleries. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:23, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I agree, especially when there are just two images. Galleries are oft misused. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:10, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the caption at the Shinn House. I know Portland, Oregon well. Cheers. Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:13, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

@Anythingyouwant: No problem! Thanks for adding the image. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:15, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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Best regards, ☆ Bri (talk) 16:01, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: Thanks! I had forgotten about my anniversary. What a great 10 years! I've added the topicon and userbox to my profile page. Here's to the next ten! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:10, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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FYI: Draft:Oregon Psilocybin Society ☆ Bri (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: Yes! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:00, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Another Believer. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "You're the puppet".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. TKK! bark with me! 23:22, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@Tikuko: Thanks for the heads up. I'm fine with the page being deleted. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Resolved

The article Third Eye Shoppe you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Third Eye Shoppe for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aoba47 -- Aoba47 (talk) 18:41, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Another Believer, I seen that you're a huge fan of lots of different types of music! I have recently radically changed the article for "Apple of Sodom" by Marilyn Manson, a song about Fiona Apple. If I were to nominate it for GA status, would you be willing to review it? MagicatthemovieS - User talk:MagicatthemovieS 14:20, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@MagicatthemovieS: Hey! I know I should do reviews to help reduce the backlog (and because I've requested so many myself), but I don't conduct Good article reviews. Honestly, I enjoy creating content much more than reviewing content submitted by others, and this is just how I prefer to spend my time contributing to Wikipedia. I appreciate the invitation, though. (Be prepared to wait -- an article I nominated for Good status eight months ago was just picked up for review, and likely only because I asked a specific editor for help.) I will, however, take a look at the article out of curiosity and to see if I can contribute. Thanks for all your work here! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@MagicatthemovieS: Congrats on the article's promotion! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:30, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! MagicatthemovieS - User talk:MagicatthemovieS 14:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hiya, I wouldn't worry too much about making it look pretty at this point. I usually leave all that until I've finished the prose (I think you've seen at least a few of my previous war memorial articles). Not that I want to put you off; you're very welcome, I just wouldn't want you to spend ages prettyfying it only to see that the article has completely changed! I'm also contemplating moving it to Royal Naval Division War Memorial, which is the name Historic England use and is consistent with other articles. Do you have any strong feelings about that? Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: Thanks for the heads up! Glad to see you working on the article, and you're welcome to move as you see fit. Thanks again! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:19, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Right. It's unlikely to change drastically now. I need to add a lead, a bit more background on the RND, I need to track down a source for Asquith's connection to Lutyens (cf. Mells War Memorial, which Asquith unveiled and which has his brother's name on it), and I need to go through some of the more general books on war memorials and the biographies of Lutyens (mostly just to pad out the bibliography and demonstrate that it's a "representative survey of the relevant literature"). It would be nice if I could find a way to mention the Lancashire Fusiliers War Memorial (and mention the RND in that article) as both fought at Gallipoli and both have Lutyens memorials, though the Lancashire Fusiliers were under the 29th Division. I've never seen a war memorial covered in so much detail besides the Cenotaph! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:37, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Good Morning, Mr. Another Believer, I am grateful you thanked me on my 2nd Ave edit, I thought it was helpful. However, I found it hypocritical that my work was reversed afterwards. I'm willing to not think much of this, but this irony goes against every social convention I know of, so I'm Confused.

May you please explain? Zanygenius (talk) 15:58, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

@Zanygenius: Yes, at first I was pleased to see work done on the article, but then I was confused by all the zeros and "N/A"s. Also, I clicked on the coordinates for the supposed north end of the street, which were incorrect. After viewing your edit history, I saw you've made few edits (at least under this account), so to be honest, I assumed maybe you were just messing with the article and not making the most constructive edits. If you'd like to discuss the article further, I invite you over to Talk:2nd Avenue (Portland, Oregon). Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

@Another Beliver: Oh yes, the junctions. I had limited time, and was planning to go back in and fix them. But for now I'll leave it alone. Same applies to coordinates. Alright, have a good day!

Zanygenius (talk) 16:24, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

@Zanygenius: If you have improvements to make to the article, by all means, but maybe work on the talk page until your edits are "complete", otherwise they may be interpreted as non-constructive. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:27, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors December 2017 News Hello copy editors! Welcome to the December 2017 GOCE newsletter, which contains nine months(!) of updates. The Guild has been busy and successful; your diligent efforts in 2017 has brought the backlog of articles requiring copy edit to below 1,000 articles for the first time. Thanks to all editors who have contributed their time and energy to help make this happen. >>> Sign up for the January Drive! <<< >>> Participate in the Coordinator Elections! <<< Our copy-editing drives (month-long backlog-reduction drives held in odd-numbered months) and blitzes (week-long themed editing in even-numbered months) have been very successful this year. March drive: We set out to remove April, May, and June 2016 from our backlog and all February 2017 Requests (a total of 304 articles). By the end of the month, all but 22 of these articles were cleared. Officially, of the 28 who signed up, 22 editors recorded 257 copy edits (439,952 words). (These numbers do not always make sense when you compare them to the overall reduction in the backlog, because not all editors record every copy edit on the drive page.) April blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 16 through 22 April; the theme was Requests. Of the 15 who signed up, 9 editors completed 43 articles (81,822 words). May drive: The goals were to remove July, August, and September 2016 from the backlog and to complete all March 2017 Requests (a total of 300 articles). By the end of the month, we had reduced our overall backlog to an all-time low of 1,388 articles. Of the 28 who signed up, 17 editors completed 187 articles (321,810 words). June blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 18 through 24 June; the theme was Requests. Of the 16 who signed up, 9 editors completed 28 copy edits (117,089 words). 2017 Coordinator elections: In June, coordinators for the second half of 2017 were elected. Jonesey95 moved back into the lead coordinator position, with Miniapolis stepping down to remain as coordinator; Tdslk and Corinne returned as coordinators, and Keira1996 rejoined after an extended absence. Thanks to all who participated! July drive: We set out to remove August, September, October, and November 2016 from the backlog and to complete all May and June 2017 Requests (a total of 242 articles). The drive was an enormous success, and the target was nearly achieved within three weeks, so that December 2016 was added to the "old articles" list used as a goal for the drive. By the end of the month, only three articles from 2016 remained, and for the second drive in a row, the backlog was reduced to a new all-time low, this time to 1,363 articles. Of the 33 who signed up, 21 editors completed 337 articles (556,482 words). August blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 20 through 26 August; the theme was biographical articles tagged for copy editing for more than six months (47 articles). Of the 13 who signed up, 11 editors completed 38 copy edits (42,589 words). September drive: The goals were to remove January, February, and March 2017 from the backlog and to complete all August 2017 Requests (a total of 338 articles). Of the 19 who signed up, 14 editors completed 121 copy edits (267,227 words). October blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 22 through 28 October; the theme was Requests. Of the 14 who signed up, 8 editors completed 20 articles (55,642 words). November drive: We set out again to remove January, February, and March 2017 from the backlog and to complete all October 2017 Requests (a total of 207 articles). By the end of the month, these goals were reached and the backlog shrank to its lowest total ever, 997 articles, the first time it had fallen under one thousand (click on the graph above to see this amazing feat in graphical form). It was also the first time that the oldest copy-edit tag was less than eight months old. Of the 25 who signed up, 16 editors completed 159 articles (285,929 words). 2018 Coordinator elections: Voting is open for the election of coordinators for the first half of 2018. Please visit the election page to vote between now and December 31 at 23:59 (UTC). Thanks for participating! Housekeeping note: We do not send a newsletter before (or after) every drive or blitz. To have a better chance of knowing when the next event will start, add the GOCE's message box to your watchlist. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Miniapolis, Corinne, Tdslk, and Keira1996. >>> Sign up for the January Drive! <<< >>> Participate in the Coordinator Elections! <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:13, 27 December 2017 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Hello, Another Believer. AfC submissions Random submission 3+ months 4,596 pending submissions (refresh) I recently sent you an invitation to join NPP, but you also might be the right candidate for another related project, AfC, which is also extremely backlogged. Would you please consider becoming an Articles for Creation reviewer? Articles for Creation reviewers help new users learn the ropes of creating their first articles, and identify whether topics are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Reviewing drafts doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia inclusion policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After requesting to be added to the project, reviewing is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the reviewing instructions before making your decision. Thanks. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 03:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere: Thanks for the invite. I try to review drafts now and then. I've found AfC regulars are way too strict and reject appropriate drafts sometimes, which is unfortunate. Drafts shouldn't have to be perfect to enter the main space... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:30, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

I totally agree with you! AfC needs more reviewers with exactly that attitude. Common mistakes are unfortunately far too common. Thank you for your help. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 21:20, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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		Thank you for being bold!Zigzig20s (talk) 07:29, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: Thank you! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:43, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 23:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)