User talk:Asilvering/Archive 17
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Good article mentorship
Hi asilverling. Would you be willing to be my good article mentor? I'm a somewhat experienced editor (about 8000 edits and two years editing), who wants to reduce the backlog at GAN but is a bit nervous about where to begin. My areas of interest are Eastern European history (broadly construed), biographies of women, and crime-related articles. Thank you for your consideration. Regards, Grumpylawnchair (talk) 02:29, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Sure thing! I see you've already found your way to WP:WIG, which is good. I went through their GAN list and found Augustina Gabel, who fulfils all three categories at once, if you're not scared off by the Ukrainian sources. It looks like the most-cited one is online, at least, so we can muddle through it with machine translation. If that one's not appealing, you can find that list of women-related GANs here: . I tried picking through it but the likely-looking ones are all pretty long, and I expect you'd prefer a shorter one for a first try? -- asilvering (talk) 03:26, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, I was thinking more Virginia Christian (sorry, I forgot to mention that). Do you think that would be too difficult for a first-time reviewer? Grumpylawnchair (talk) 03:29, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- If you're not worried, I'm not worried. Shoot me a ping from the review page once you start if you have any particular questions that make sense to answer there. Or go ahead and ask anything you like here, if it's something more general. Or, if you'd prefer to just get to it and just want another set of eyes when you're done, feel free to tag me in for that. If you haven't installed it already, User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/GANReviewTool.js makes the last part (closing the review) really easy, and I recommend using it. -- asilvering (talk) 03:36, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, this settles my doubts. I will try my best. Regards, Grumpylawnchair (talk) 03:38, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm almost done with Talk:Virginia Christian/GA1. Can you please take a look at it if it is not too much trouble? Thank you, Grumpylawnchair (talk) 15:28, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Update: I've concluded the review with a result of pass after improvements by the nominator. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 20:05, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Wow, that was quick! I'm impressed haha, these take me ages. Though, now that I've had a closer read through it than my earlier skim, I can see why. It was in great shape already. A couple suggestions, which are mostly my own preferences and in no way invalidate the review:
- I just make those little picky grammar/link fixes myself, since it's more bother for both reviewer and nominator to write them out and have them do it. ymmv. Some noms don't like you touching the article at all, others will get irritated if you don't. When it comes to anything that's not strictly "mechanical" (like adding a space, etc) but requires some thinking and rephrasing, that kind of thing I do leave for the nom. If you do any changes yourself, imo it's a good idea to say so and explicitly invite them to revert any they hate.
- I'd have gotten pickier about the sourcing on the political cartoon. But I was able to find it with this information, so it's technically sufficient.
- I'm not thrilled that more than half of the citations are to a PhD dissertation. Typically we'd want to avoid citing them at all if possible. It may well be the best source for all of this information, and all that information may well be WP:DUE in the article (none of it felt "off" as I was reading without looking at the citations), but I'd want some evidence of legwork showing that (mine, the nom's, or both) before I passed the review.
- Again, this is all in the spirit of general feedback for the future - it's a good article! And your review was also good. By the way, if you're interested, Derryn Moten, the historian who wrote that dissertation, doesn't have an article here. But I'm pretty sure he's notable (a quick google brings up stuff like ), and without any extra effort we can already link him to three articles (). -- asilvering (talk) 20:54, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your feedback! I'll keep this in mind. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 20:58, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Wow, that was quick! I'm impressed haha, these take me ages. Though, now that I've had a closer read through it than my earlier skim, I can see why. It was in great shape already. A couple suggestions, which are mostly my own preferences and in no way invalidate the review:
- Update: I've concluded the review with a result of pass after improvements by the nominator. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 20:05, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm almost done with Talk:Virginia Christian/GA1. Can you please take a look at it if it is not too much trouble? Thank you, Grumpylawnchair (talk) 15:28, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, this settles my doubts. I will try my best. Regards, Grumpylawnchair (talk) 03:38, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- If you're not worried, I'm not worried. Shoot me a ping from the review page once you start if you have any particular questions that make sense to answer there. Or go ahead and ask anything you like here, if it's something more general. Or, if you'd prefer to just get to it and just want another set of eyes when you're done, feel free to tag me in for that. If you haven't installed it already, User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/GANReviewTool.js makes the last part (closing the review) really easy, and I recommend using it. -- asilvering (talk) 03:36, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, I was thinking more Virginia Christian (sorry, I forgot to mention that). Do you think that would be too difficult for a first-time reviewer? Grumpylawnchair (talk) 03:29, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
GA question
Hi asilvering, I've another quick question. This time, it's about an article I'm thinking of nominating for GA status (Elena Gorolová). Is there any size requirement for GAs? The article is about 800 words, but is extensively sourced (if I do say so myself) and covers her career in as much depth as possible. Regards, Grumpylawnchair (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Nope, no size requirement. If it's short, you might find reviewers are more picky about whether you meet the "breadth" requirement, but in a case like this one where you are confident you've covered her career as much as possible, that would be fine. I'd add another sentence or two of article summary to the lead, but the overall length is no biggie. -- asilvering (talk) 02:05, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! Regards, Grumpylawnchair (talk) 02:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for your help.
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| Appreciate your help with my WIR articles and learning process. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 23:14, 11 March 2025 (UTC) |
- Aww, thanks. And gosh - 44 articles! Glad to see you caught the bug. -- asilvering (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of film roles for which Tom Hanks was considered
I've a bunch of disagreements with this, but rather than rehash your close of the discussion, I'm going to limit my challenge to List of film roles for which Bill Murray was considered as it had clearly usable RS'es that were above and beyond the other bundled nominations (such as the Washington Post referencing the topic in a dead tree book on Murray's career) and not challenged by any of the other participants except for Rewas92--in fact, DonIago explicitly disclaimed ever looking at the linked news articles. Please restore it.
I'd further ask that each of the deleted articles be restored as redirects (protected, if you prefer) to the respective filmographies as was proposed by BD2412. Only two participants objected to his proposal and then only to the merge. Redirection allows any sufficiently RS'ed content to be appropriately integrated into actor or filmography articles without need for further administrator involvement. Jclemens (talk) 03:48, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I think you have to accept that you're against consensus on this one. I've had another look at the AfD, and while I'm normally very happy to take redirect as an ATD, in this case I think that would be a supervote. Regarding restoring this specific article, the dead-tree book you're referring to is not cited in the deleted article, so the sources here aren't going to do anyone any good (you've already identified a better source), and the text won't either (participants objected to the merge). -- asilvering (talk) 17:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
Deletion review for Ryuya Fukushima
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ryuya Fukushima. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 14:20, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
Question from SuperSillyGuy (17:24, 13 March 2025)
Hey, quick question, if I am to make a edit, what is the proper format for writing what I changed? Do I generally need to get approval from other editors before I make a change? Thanks! --SuperSillyGuy (talk) 17:24, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @SuperSillyGuy, welcome to Wikipedia! If you're asking about edit summaries, no, there's no "proper format" for writing those. If you're asking about the text of the article itself, all of that information is at WP:MOS - but don't worry about it. Look at the rest of the article you're editing for a model, but don't worry about screwing something up or not doing it "right". Probably, what you write will be fine. If it's not, another editor will fix it or undo it, and they'll either tell you why they did that or you can ask them yourself. I'll come by your talk page to drop some helpful links to get you started. -- asilvering (talk) 22:47, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
Procedurally would be a problem :)
Hi asilvering, thank you very much for having a look at User talk:Dietricht, but as I am the originally blocking administrator, an unblock request should probably not be closed procedurally based on any of my actions. I left the request open so that someone can have an independent look whether revoking talk page access was justified or the user should be allowed to use their talk page or even edit freely again. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Not to worry, they've already found their way to UTRS (a few times...) and I procedurally closed those ones and not the one at UTRS since the editor has no way to reply to any questions on their talk page. For your convenience, that's UTRS appeal #101283 for the most recent one. (In the meantime, DFO got to it.) Incidentally, I don't think you should have revoked TPA in this case, because you were the originally blocking admin and have been called out "by name" (ish...) in the most recent unblock request. That's not the same as thinking TPA should be restored, however. You'll notice I left that as-is. -- asilvering (talk) 01:04, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I shouldn't have done that at very least in response to an appeal that directly addressed me, sorry. I wasn't aware of the UTRS appeals, thanks! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:06, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
Hello
I have to note formally I don't avoid block, just was some way frustrated with your, though quite a practical, approach about "edit like normal, " is possible only after registration (however only if I'll change my behaviour and edits thematic and be as silent and still as the midnight fornoone 'd see any similarity, but that's not funny and have lack of any interest for me if we talk about wiki is together created pedia and not 'the articles of one' space). But what if I don't mean to be registered? Editing as normal is not for me? That's not some trap, but exclusively applies for my deeper understanding what's really going on here and not what said as have to be. Don't hurry with the answer. And thanks in advance. 83.142.111.64 (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- You don't need to be silent, it's just that creating an account will allow you to leave your past behind, provided that you do it once your block expires and don't go back to the same topics you did before. What I was suggesting was that you try a WP:CLEANSTART. You can't really clean-start from an IP. We can all see who you are.
- Sorry in advance about the rangeblock I assume you're about to get for block evasion. -- asilvering (talk) 23:33, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- You have some contradiction here.
- Doesn't "don't go back to the same topics you did before" mean "need to be silent" exactly I'm not willing to and you tell me I don't need to ("edit like normal, "")? )
- Does WP:PROXY block evasion ever possible? ))))
- We both know they will block me with same fake reason again as they did it already twice (hardly believable as accidental).
- But I got your idea. It looks like it's: "There's no place for IP editing." (as normal, correct me if i got it wrong).
- So sad.
- Thank you for clarification. Will go to take some range block and dissappear from your sight. 83.142.111.124 (talk) 17:55, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
Question from JeyRuff (00:23, 16 March 2025)
Hello! how are you? I've finally joined, like I should have done at least 15 years ago. If you want to show me the ropes, I thank you.
If it matters to you or anyone, wanting an error fixed was the spark of realization that I should join, but I have a general passion for education, as well as agreement and truth. I felt I had no authority to edit decades ago; yet I never knew you could edit without logging in.
... In case someone wants to edit that survey I took. 🙂 Thanks! ✝️☮️🇺🇲 --J --JeyRuff (talk) 00:23, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Welcome to wikipedia, @JeyRuff! I've left some helpful links on your talk page. -- asilvering (talk) 07:16, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for your action. I may fall short in my communication sometimes but the amount of aspersions which were being thrown my way was getting extremely tiring. TarnishedPathtalk 11:10, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- I don't doubt it. I really do suggest working with those editors next time, to come up with an actually neutral RFC question you can use to settle the issue for another good while. Even if it just reaffirms the result of the RFCs from four years ago (and I don't yet see any reason why it wouldn't), you'll still have the benefit of a more recent consensus to point to in these situations. -- asilvering (talk) 12:42, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Seriously I don't think they'd know a neutrally worded RFC if they tripped over it. I was hoping that @Novem Linguae would take you up on your suggestion but I can understand if they were hesitant to stay away from that mess. I'll try and think of a question to resolve the mess, but given the number of RFCs since then I don't know. TarnishedPathtalk 13:15, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for thinking of me for this, but I will probably take a pass on this one. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:25, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- "Seriously I don't think they'd know a neutrally worded RFC if they tripped over it." civility is required @TarnishedPath:. Please don't trash editors behind their back. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:16, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- I don't read this as "trashing editors behind their back" any more than, say, essays like WP:YESBIAS are. ie, I don't think this is a statement about any particular editors so much as a genre of editors. That said, @TarnishedPath, I think it's a strong sign that you should step back from the topic area. I appreciate that it is really, really tiring to keep explaining the same thing to people all the time. But the editors who pop up trying to change things on these articles because they've recently read about some other evidence, they haven't had that same argument dozens of times before. To them, it's new. And you can't treat them like they're all a single person who hasn't been getting it for years and years. There was recently an AE thread about something very similar, which ended in sanctions. Please, take a vacation from the topic area before someone forces you to take one. You do so many other things on the encyclopedia. Don't let this one part drive you insane. -- asilvering (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- I am spending too much time on this topic area at present. As you correctly point out I edit accross a broad range of areas and this has been a distraction from some of the BLPs that I have in draft and other articles that I'm wanting to improve to GA status. I'll leave the current discussions in the article's talk to others. TarnishedPathtalk 01:19, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
- I don't read this as "trashing editors behind their back" any more than, say, essays like WP:YESBIAS are. ie, I don't think this is a statement about any particular editors so much as a genre of editors. That said, @TarnishedPath, I think it's a strong sign that you should step back from the topic area. I appreciate that it is really, really tiring to keep explaining the same thing to people all the time. But the editors who pop up trying to change things on these articles because they've recently read about some other evidence, they haven't had that same argument dozens of times before. To them, it's new. And you can't treat them like they're all a single person who hasn't been getting it for years and years. There was recently an AE thread about something very similar, which ended in sanctions. Please, take a vacation from the topic area before someone forces you to take one. You do so many other things on the encyclopedia. Don't let this one part drive you insane. -- asilvering (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Seriously I don't think they'd know a neutrally worded RFC if they tripped over it. I was hoping that @Novem Linguae would take you up on your suggestion but I can understand if they were hesitant to stay away from that mess. I'll try and think of a question to resolve the mess, but given the number of RFCs since then I don't know. TarnishedPathtalk 13:15, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
Question from Originality Is Key, Like Seriously. It's Called Copyr!ght (21:15, 18 March 2025)
Hello, and sorry if this bothers you, but I'm curious on how I can easily find articles which aren't heavily restricted on editing. --Originality Is Key, Like Seriously. It's Called Copyr!ght (talk) 21:15, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Almost none of our nearly 7,000,000 articles are restricted. If you don't care about the topic, Special:Random will take you to one of them. -- asilvering (talk) 22:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
GAN question
Hey asilvering, I have a quick question about GAN. Can super recent articles be nominated? I'm thinking of nominating Kočani nightclub fire, which took place on 16 March of this year, and I wrote about 40% of the article? Since it would be a few months until someone gets to reviewing it, do you think this would be a good idea? Grumpylawnchair (talk) 15:28, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
- I'm sure there are people who go from nothing to GAN on a single day - nothing stopping you! -- asilvering (talk) 22:34, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks! I think it's comprehensive enough as it stands, since most of the initial investigation reports are out. I'll wait a week, nominate it, and update it if more stuff comes out. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 22:39, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Question from LagioiaP (21:00, 19 March 2025)
Hello! I am very passionate about art, and I noticed my local theater doesn't have a Wikipedia page and decided to make one. Do you have any tips to make this smoothly, so more people can know about their beautiful history? :) --LagioiaP (talk) 21:00, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @LagioiaP, welcome to wikipedia! I've left you some general help links on your talk page. Probably the most important ones to read before getting started are WP:FIRST and WP:BACKWARDS. For your specific article, what's the theatre? It might be better to write a little bit about it on the article for the town it's in. -- asilvering (talk) 22:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)



