User talk:Beshogur/Archive 6

I am writing in regards to your intervention and deletion of a reference to a source with information about the deciphering of the name of Kubrat. As I am relatively new here, I did not write straight away to you and I appoligize. Now I had time to go through the ways of communication and oth. I noticed you are very active to delete all other historical hypotezis different from the Turkic origin of Bulgars, not only for Kubrat , but to few more related articles. I would like to remind you − all prooved sources matter. Please spend some time to check page 99 to 101, regarding the deciphering of Kubrats name from the German archaeologist Joachim Werner ^[1] which you have been so unkind to delete withou to use my talk page and to report me instead. I have intention to post XOBRATOY again and translation of the words HUBAV BRAT wchich in Bulgarian means "nice, beautiful brother" ...for clarity of the readers, who does not speak Bulgarian. I Wont change the other text without consensus. Dahlia La Mar (talk) 18:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Dahlia La Mar, with regard to your "I noticed you are very active to delete all other historical hypotezis different from the Turkic origin of Bulgars, not only for Kubrat, but to few more related articles", remember, it is unacceptable for an editor to accuse others of misbehavior without reasonable cause in an attempt to besmirch their reputations. If accusations are made, they should be raised, with evidence. Know that third opinions is an excellent venue for small disputes involving two editors, see WP:ASPERSIONS. Cheers, Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 06:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, yes Visioncurve I will take note to be more precise. "I noticed you are very active to delete all other historical hypotezis different from the Turkic origin of Bulgars, not only for Kubrat , but to few more related articles"-to be accepted instead as- "I noticed you are interested of editing articles related to the Bulgars and Bulgarians"(As example - Beshogur - Undid revision 969166937 Volga Bulgaria 23 July 2020 and activity in editing article Kazan the capital of Volga Bulgaria ).There is nothing wrong with editing, but sources should be checked first before (Undo- Article Kubrat) and before someone to be reported for Shockpupetry. I hope we won′t have this issue in the future.

We haven′t discussed yet the line about " and considered Attila their first ruler".Beshogur can you provide a reference please, as in the Nominalia of the Bulgarian khans the name of the first Bulgar ruller is Avitohol Авитохолъ - check row 10th from the image. Have a good day!Dahlia La Mar (talk) 13:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Selamlar, sizi bir konuda bilgilendirmek ve yardım istemekteyim. Wikipedia'da Fars şovenistler Türk devletleriyle alakali neredeyse her devlet için "Persianized" tabirini kullanıyorlar. Türk kelimesini aşağılayan makaleleri sayfalara ekliyorlar. Tarihimiz, böyle uluslarası özgür bilgi sitesinde tehlikededir. (Personal attack removed) Bu konuda sizlerden bilgi ve yardım istemekteyim Ulpionz (talk) 18:34, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Selam, nasılsınız? Uzun süredir sizden haber alamadım. Umarım siz ve aileniz iyisinizdir. Acaba, bir nedenden dolayı tarihte unutulmuş olan Oğuz boyları (karaevli, alkaevli, dodurga vb.) hakkında makale yazsak, bunun çok da güzel olacağını düşünüyorum. İlgili ve uygun kaynaklar bulmanın ne kadar zor olduğunu biliyorum, ancak hepimizin bildiği gibi, imkansiz hiçbir şey yoktur, bazı şeyler sadece zaman alır. Umarım biraz zaman bulduğunuzda benimle birlikte bu konuda çalışırsınız... Şimdiden teşekkür ederim. Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 06:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Mesajiniz icin tesekkurler. Iyiyim, umarim siz de oylesinizdir. Yakin bir zamanda donerim umarim, bu ara biraz yogunum. Beshogur (talk) 09:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Yıva ve Dodurga boylarıyla ilgili yeni makaleleri bitirdim. Bunların sizin tarafınızdan incelenmesini ve bunlarla ilgili görüşünüzü yazmanızı rica ediyorum. Teşekkür ederim. --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 04:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Estağfurullah, inceleme işi bana düşmez :) gayet iyi, teşekkürler. Beshogur (talk) 08:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Cevabınızın ilk kısmına - hahaha)) --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 11:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Can u update armenia casualties per azerbaijan per this latest information https://twitter.com/cavidaga/status/1310328617864433664?s=21 Resapp (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Armenia announced the death of 26 additional servicemen an hour ago bringing the total to 86. https://reuters.com/article/amp/idINKBN26J334 https://twitter.com/conflicts/status/1310675339715260423 WP:MATH Resapp (talk) 21:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Or atleast 84 per this. https://twitter.com/liveuamap/status/1310673976235118593?s=21 Please self revert. Resapp (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The 26 announcement comes after 28 in the morning, making 31 killed yesterday and 54 killed today per armenia total 84. https://twitter.com/liveuamap/status/1310535708931747840?s=21 Resapp (talk) 21:26, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I am on mobile, but counting doesn't work. Next time one source please. Beshogur (talk) 22:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Some trigger-revert happy users are removing material first thing they get a chance. Please restore the map, I've temporarily removed the disputed countries. Resapp (talk) 18:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Karsakpay inscription you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 06:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

The article Karsakpay inscription you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Karsakpay inscription for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 21:22, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

The date for completing my comments is extended for a few more days, as you are currently blocked for making edits. Amitchell125 (talk) 08:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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Ah dear. Beshogur (talk) 17:02, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Beshogur reported by User:Khirurg (Result: ). Thank you. Khirurg (talk) 17:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I apologize what I did, I understand it now. I will be more cautious next time. I request to be unblocked, but I will avoid to edit Azerbaijan related topics until my block expires. Thanks in advance. Beshogur (talk) 14:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Upon further review, I must concur with Rosguill that there is not enough here to unblock you early. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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In general, how will you handle an editing dispute in the future? 331dot (talk) 15:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

I think you mean to say that you will avoid Azerbaijani related topics once your block expires? 331dot (talk) 15:11, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

I mean I won't edit until my block expires. To avoid editing dispute, if something is not solved on talk page, I will take it to dispute noticeboard. Still, I am planning to take a page to dispute noticeboard once my block time expires (now unblocked or not) which is unrelated to the page which caused my blocked. Beshogur (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

The block prevents you from editing, so you don't need to say you will avoid editing. Rosguill, are you okay with unblocking with the users saying they will move to dispute resolution? 331dot (talk) 15:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

I mean I want to contribute to other topics which I was doing in before all these things. No, no. I mean the Stepanakert article, which I think I was called "vandal" unjustified. I will explain that later. Beshogur (talk) 15:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

331dot, I'm a bit confused by Beshogur's most recent reply and would like them to clarify that before making a decision. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, here Archives908 says in bold "de jure status is already covered in this article", which is not true. I do not see anything about de jure status of the city. I can not accept called vandal only for adding this back and this, and adding a source here, which an ip user added, and I suddenly checked Russian wikipedia which probably came from and added source. Since the city is in Azerbaijan, Archives908 adding deliberately Armenia map with NK together on the infobox. That's the main reason why I reported him yesterday, but probably it was the wrong place. With other topics, I mean contribution to other articles not related to this conflict (until my block expires). I hope it's explained. Beshogur (talk) 16:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

311dot, thinking about this more, I think I'm opposed to lifting the block early. The edits in question were a clear violation of 3RR, and the request here is basically just asking nicely and saying they won't do it again. Given that Beshogur is no stranger to our edit warring policy, and that these edits were made in the context of an active escalation of conflict in a topic already subject to discretionary sanctions, I think it would be best to just have Beshogur serve the remaining 30 or so hours on the block. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:58, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill fine, but could you please look at that page, or give me an advice what to do? There is something not right. Beshogur (talk) 18:34, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Beshogur If you take a closer look, it clearly states that Stepanakert is within the international borders of Azerbaijan in the lede. Archives908 (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Archiver908 (talk · contribs), you are clearly not honest about that it was added later I reported you. And please do not use bold in my talk page. Beshogur (talk) 09:06, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

I know it was added later, and it was not reverted or removed because it was an improvement to the article, it did not use controversial sources, and was not done out of POV. That is how proper editing is conducted- know the difference! Archives908 (talk) 12:56, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Also, your threats of blocking me are not constructive or appropriate, especially since you are the one currently blocked. The Admins have ruled in my favour as I did not commit any violations. If you continue these threats and not editing constructively, I'm positive the Admins will take notice to your inappropriateness once again. Archives908 (talk) 13:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

@Archives908: Admins do not rule in favor of X or Y, they prevent Wikipedia from disruption/vandalism etc ... Please keep in mind that there is no such thing as a "victorious side" and a "defeated side" in a dispute. Thanks.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:02, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• Beshogur, sorry for the delayed response; as for your question above of advice what to do it's not clear to me whether you want advice as far as the content dispute or you want advice on dealing with editors calling you a vandal. If it's the content, raise it on the talk page, and then use an RfC or DRN if you can't come to a consensus (with recourse to WP:AN3 if someone is edit warring while you're trying to discuss). If it's the name-calling, you can raise it at WP:ANI if it's a consistent pattern of behavior from another editor, which at this point it very well may be. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:22, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

The article Karsakpay inscription you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Karsakpay inscription for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 19:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Nudge :) Amitchell125 (talk) 20:56, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Beshogur, just to remind you that in three days' time this nomination will be failed if the issues listed are not addressed in full, which would be a pity because it wouldn't take too much time to sort them out. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@Amitchell125:, hi, thanks, I tried to improve a lot of things, what do I need to do right now, what are my missing things? Beshogur (talk) 22:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

I'll take a look and let you know, Beshogur. Amitchell125 (talk) 06:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

I've looked at the article and it appears you have not yet addressed the comments I have made in the review. Amitchell125 (talk) 09:35, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Amitchell125: How can I adress, what should I write? I do not have any idea. Thanks. Beshogur (talk) 09:36, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

OK, you need to (1) click here to read my 20 comments on your article; (2) Edit the article so the changes are all made, and then; (3) give me a message on the review page:

• if they are all done
• if you are not sure what to
• if you don't agree with a comment. Give yourself a few days to do the job, and I will help you all I can if you put a message on the review page. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 19:56, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

What's going on here with the Turkic Council map? Johncdraper (talk) 10:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean? Beshogur (talk) 10:59, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

It keeps changing between a .png and .jpg, but without edit summaries I don't quite understand why. Johncdraper (talk) 11:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I will ask for protection. Beshogur (talk) 11:32, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Alright, but what is the difference between the two maps? What is the unnamed editor trying to achieve? Johncdraper (talk) 11:44, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

@Johncdraper: One is with official members + observer (Hungary), other with possible member (Turkmenistan) and possible observer (Ukraine). Beshogur (talk) 12:27, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

The one with official members + observer should be used, with a correct key, right? Johncdraper (talk) 12:32, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes it can be used, (I mean the future members/observers) but not the infobox imo. Beshogur (talk) 12:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I see. Expand on your position (important map being referred to by pages reporting ongoing civil wars and conflicts in the region) and the fact that adding every potential member inflates the infobox map in the Talk page first. See if the other editor engages, and if he/she edit wars you instead, then you can put in a page protection request with the Talk page to support your position. Johncdraper (talk) 12:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Would it be possible to find the primary source for the 1979 ethnic demographic information? It is unclear where the raw HTML database in your suggested citation gets the information from. JamgoUnchained (talk) 10:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

РГАЭ, ф. 1562, оп. 336, д. 999, 1244, 1565, 1566-д, 1567, 5925, 7879

РГАЭ, ф. 1562, оп. 338, ч. 1, д. 573

РГАЭ, ф. 1562, оп. 338, ч. 2, д. 331

РГАЭ, ф. 1562, оп. 338, ч. 3, д. 484, 485, 487 --Geysirhead (talk) 17:19, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

The article Karsakpay inscription you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Karsakpay inscription for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 16:22, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit and edit summary you made to 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, did not appear constructive. The issue is being discuted at the Talk page and your edit is disrupting the concenssus made.Mr.User200 (talk) 18:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Beshogur.

Here is the English version of the reference. It does not mention the claimed content. https(:)//www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://zti.hu/sipos_gyujtesek/pdf/3_EN.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiI9KTYt8bsAhWKUcAKHUt4AgoQFjABegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw0AfQeue28P7hJMSbSto4F1 (delete the () after https)

As long as no direct quote is qiven it should be excluded. You can try to find it, but I did not even find a own section about Yörüks.-81.10.217.91 (talk) 19:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Btw. the user which included it was largely reverted and seems not to be active anymore, as his single goal was including unreliable content. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Agua-Habit .-81.10.217.91 (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Please assume WP:GF of your fellow editors. This was not okay , and its not the first time either I have seen you do something like this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

here Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, regarding a debate for adhering to WP:COMMONNAME regarding place names, did you mean this one ? I don't see Martuni/Khojavend mentioned, but a quick Google search shows far more views for Martuni than Khojavend , I would therefore argue that the inclusion of the Armenian name as well is appropriate to increase the readability of the article per WP:COMMONNAME. AntonSamuel (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Because half of these Martuni results are airbnb, travel websites, etc. Beshogur (talk) 18:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

The same is true for Google Scholar WP:COMMONNAME specifices that a common name is "determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources", so I think Martuni would be prudent to include. AntonSamuel (talk) 18:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Fine. Beshogur (talk) 18:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd be interested where the deletion discussion is, I'd like to take part in this discussion.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I removed the tag, likely wrong way to do. Beshogur (talk) 23:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah ok, thanks. Thanks for your articles on Turkic steles, inscriptions.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle: I tank four your interest. Beshogur (talk) 23:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Merhaba, Harita ikinci defa silinmeye aday gösterildi. Haritanın silinmesi konusunda "ayrı" bir çaba olduğuna inanıyorum. Yaklaşık 3 haftadır haritayı mükemmelleştirmeye çalışıyorum. Siz de adaylık sayfasına görüş bildirirseniz sevinirim-Emreculha (talk) 00:11, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Emreculha:, aslinda haritanin kaynagi icin oyle diyor. Kaynagi gosterebilsen iyi. Oy vermem bir sey degistirmez acikcasi, kurallara aykiri olur bura yazdigin icin. Beshogur (talk) 00:22, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Merhaba, Bunun icin vaktim yok. :) Sorry, I just edited the last days because I had some time to kill and I was about to leave anyway. Belki hafta sonu, but can't guaranty. Hemşinli çocuk 18:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Beshogur, I saw your comment on my talk page, and has just finished writing a reply by the time you reverted it. I still thought I'd share my thoughts with you:

I didn't open the RfC, I simply tied it together with the existing conversation so that previous comments would be connected. Even if I undid my edit, the RfC would still be open – and any editors arriving to it via the feedback request service wouldn't be able to see existing comments, which is not ideal. I'm afraid I don't know what the right steps would be if you think it's an improper RfC, or incompatible with the dispute resolution noticeboard. The editor who was responsible for the RfC was VZkN9. I have to say I have my suspicions over that particular account as it seems to be single-purpose, and after taking another look I can see the RfC was opened almost straight away after you filed your case on the dispute resolution noticeboard (perhaps it warrants a sockpuppet check)? If you're certain the RfC should not have been started, I think you can remove the RfC template (and you wouldn't need my permission), but I'm not familiar with this process so can't say for certain. As it happens, I share Rosguill's view that an RfC is more appropriate, so my gut feeling would be to leave the RfC so we can solicit the views of more uninvolved editors, even if it was procedurally incorrect, rather than close it only to reopen it again shortly. I was going to ping Rosguill as they may have a better understanding of the correct process to follow, but as you reverted your original message I'll leave it up to you. Cheers, Jr8825 • Talk 21:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jr8825: thanks, seems like I stole your time a bit. Sorry. Beshogur (talk) 21:23, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Desteye gore teshekkurler ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirhasanov (talk • contribs) 18:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Emirdağ, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Byzantines.

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It was a developed page when I turned it into a redirect. In any case, base titles should never redirect to dab pages. The dab page should be moved if that's what you want. But I'm not sure it doesn't have as a primary meaning the classical literary language that is covered at Chagatai language. Perhaps that page should be moved to a better title. Srnec (talk) 17:35, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I know that page was covering Chagatai, but I wanted to do an disambiguation page, so what to do now? Beshogur (talk) 18:45, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

You can leave it as is, or you can request a move of Turki (disambiguation) to the base name. Srnec (talk) 01:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey, you and I will probably see this differently but I believe that I have a pretty clear idea of what neutral is and that is my objective on the Nagorno Karabakh war articles. This involves getting rid of unsourced claims and also using neutral terminology throughout articles (captured instead of liberated, stated or claimed instead of announced), as well as expanding upon sections where one point of view is heavy so that there is a balanced representation of viewpoints.

Especially in the context of an active information war which to some extent is affecting Wikipedia I consider this important. This is a very high profile topic on Wikipedia and I want to work with you and everyone else who is interested in these pages not against you.

With that in mind I think your idea of neutral might be different from mine. If so I just accept this as a difference in opinions re how to write the pages.

If you want to discuss any of my edits you are welcome to speak to me either on the talk page of the article or my own. --LOLCaatz (talk) 13:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I did not place those words. Did I say something about that? No. Beshogur (talk) 13:44, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I suspected something was wrong when you tagged me as a single use account. This is technically correct as I am not editing other topics but I wanted to clear this up.--LOLCaatz (talk) 01:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I didn't see your comment regarding the talk page, I am new to wikipedia and not fully aware of the process - I have now added two paragraphs to the talk page and will leave the other's to review them and my new reference. Do I need to do anything else?WikiCorrection0283 (talk) 12:35, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@WikiCorrection0283:, your edit is problematic on various ways. Please revert it back, so I can withdraw my report. Beshogur (talk) 13:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I've reverted the page as you requested, but I've added more comments on the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiCorrection0283 (talk • contribs) 13:09, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks. Beshogur (talk) 13:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, you may be interested in the admin noticeboard discussions here and here. Thanks, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Selamlar, daha kolay iletişim kurabilmek için Türkçe yazıyorum. List of massacres of Turkish people diye bir çalışma yaptığınızı farkettim, ve şahsen benim de Vikipedi'de bulunmasını çok istediğim ama ilginç bir şekilde bugüne kadar kimsenin oluşturmadığı bir madde. Sizin zaten oluşturduğunuz alt sayfa üzerinden devam ederek beraber çalışabileceğimizi ve biraz zaman içerisinde maddeyi Vikipedi'ye kazandırabileceğimizi düşünüyorum. Ne dersiniz? -Śαǿturα^💬 13:38, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Merhaba. Memnun olurum elbette. İstediğiniz gibi edit yapabilirsiniz. Hala başlık hakkında şüphelerim var, başka isim önerileriniz var mı? Fakat şu anlık burayı editleyebilirsiniz. Beshogur (talk) 13:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

List of massacres of Turks dışında başka bir alternatif olduğunu düşünmüyorum ancak o biraz Türki halkları katar işin içine. Şimdiki isim iyi bence, kalabilir.-Śαǿturα^💬 14:18, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Eyvallah katkıların için. başlığa daha descriptive bir şey yazabilsek, hemen publish yapabiliriz. Beshogur (talk) 17:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Şimdi özellikle Kıbrıs'ta yaşandığından emin olduğum ama detaylarını hatırlamadığım için biraz araştırıp ekleyeceğim katliamlar var. Benim aklımda eklenebilecek bir kaç şey daha var ama ne kadar uygun olduklarından emin değilim. Mesela Almanya'daki Türklerin başına gelmiş ve nispeten büyük olayları (mesela Solingen Faciası) ekleyelim mi? Veya listenin en başına Persecution of Ottoman Muslims diye ekleyip ölüm sayısına artık 5 milyonsa 5 milyon yazalım mı? Böyle yapıldığını List of massacres against Hazara people maddesinde görmüştüm ve mantıklı olabilir çünkü listedeki katliamlar Türklerin yaşadığı genel mezalimin çok azını yansıtıyor. Ondan sonra 93 Harbi gibi bazı savaşlardaki genel katledilen Türk sayısı Massacres of Turkish people during the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) diye eklenebilir. Ne düşünüyorsun? -Śαǿturα^💬 21:43, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@Saotura: Valla bilemiyorum. Massacres during the Russo-Turkish war, vs. mantıklı. Solingen arson attack of 1993 da eklenebilir bence. Beshogur (talk) 21:48, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Tam şuan editliyorum maddeyi. Solingen Faciası ve Massacres during the Russo-Turkish war diye ekliyorum. Persecution of Ottoman Muslims diye de ekleyeceğim başına, itiraz eden çıkarsa (ki bence mutlaka çıkar) zaten neden maddede olmaması gerektiğini düşündüğünü söyler belki mantıklı buluruz. Daha sonra ikimiz de tamam bitti diyince maddeyi publish yaparız zaten.-Śαǿturα^💬 22:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Kolay gelsin. @Saotura:, dikkat et, ben de editledim. Boşa gitmesin. Beshogur (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Ekledim dediklerimi. Bence artık hazır ama sen bir bak istersen. Bence maddeyi kimin oluşturduğu önemli değil, istersen sen oluşturabilirsin.-Śαǿturα^💬 23:51, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@Saotura: Ahıska sürgününü ekledik fakat tam anlamıyla katliam değil o. Ama o listede olmak için uygun. Hala title ve description konusunda şüpheliyim. List of massacres against Turkish people olur mu yoksa şimdiki iyi mi? Description için de following list includes massacres, arson attacks, etc. gibi açıklama eklesek iyi olur. Beshogur (talk) 11:44, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Dediğim gibi bence title uygun. Vikipedi'de etnik gruba göre katliamları listeleyen çok madde yok, List of massacres against Hazara people hariç olanların hepsi de 'List of massacres of' şeklinde. Ve following list includes massacres, arson attacks, etc. dersek diğer kundaklama saldırılarını da eklememiz gerekir, işin içinden çıkılmaz. Yüzlerce, binlerce var çünkü. En başta fikri ben öne sürmüştüm ama şimdi yeniden düşününce Solingen Faciası'nı falan silsek daha iyi olur. See also'ya Turks in Germany#Attacks against the Turkish community in Germany diye ekleriz.-Śαǿturα^💬 12:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

@Saotura:, ne zaman publish edelim? Beshogur (talk) 14:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Tam şuan edebilirsin.-Śαǿturα^💬 14:23, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

@Saotura:, ettim. Beshogur (talk) 14:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

You want to have this Category:Armenian-controlled territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh renamed too in accordance with WP:C2F.VR _talk 17:06, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done Beshogur (talk) 17:18, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

You didn't mention the reason. My salute. Torivar (talk) 23:28, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Original research. Beshogur (talk) 11:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Hocam kusura bakmayın sayfanıza yazmak zorunda kaldım ama başka nasıl iletişime geçerim bilemedim selçuklu diyalekti başlığında selçuklu diyalektiğinin azerbaycan Türkçesine ait olduğu yazıyor lakin selçuklu dialekti bariz bir şekilde oğuz türkçesi devamı olup eski anadolu türkçesi ve osmanlı türkçesinin de atası olan bir dialekttir

Buraya şu kaynağı bırakıyorum siz ekleyip düzeltirseniz sevinirim anlayışınız için teşekkür ederim

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Seljuq — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.232.192 (talk) 19:45, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Hayır. Dil hakkında bir şeyden bahsetmiyor. O dil, Azerbaycan dilinin diyalekti olan bir dil. Beshogur (talk) 19:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and Greetings,

I was looking for some support in article expansion of Draft:Aurat (word) by any chance if you have access to the Turkish language source. Pl. do visit the article Draft:Aurat (word) and support expansion of the article if you find topic interested in.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 10:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

I'll check if I have time. Beshogur (talk) 11:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Merhaba, sizden bir konuda yardım istemekteyim. Kavalalı Mehmed Ali Paşa'nın wikipedia sayfasında Arnavut olduğu ve atalarının Korçe'den geldiğinin düşünüldüğü yazılmış fakat Prens Abbas Hilmi şu videoda 15.50de İliçten Konya'ya oradan Edirne'ye ve sonunda Kavalaya geldiklerini söylüyor. İslamansiklopedisinde'de bundan bahsedilmiş . Bunu düzeltme gibi bir ihtimaliniz var mı? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.104.71.22 (talk) 18:33, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for your sound advice. However, I think it may be misplaced in the case of the pasta city. I made no joke edits; all my edits in Fusili were quite serious. Perhaps you are thinking of the talk page? In which case I'm happy to advise you that a high degree of latitude is allowed in talk pages. Thank again for your interest. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, Beshogur. On the Western Turkic Khaganate article I wrote a note that "Beishi (卑失) in Jiu Tangshu 110 Qibi Heli is possibly clerical error for Nushibi (弩失畢)" because a similar list of clans/tribes (xing) in Jiu Tangshu 215b Helu has Nushibi (弩失畢). However, I found a paper by Hayrettin İhsan Erkoç (free for download here) where Erkoç identified the Beishi with the Barsil. However, I used Google translate to have an idea what Erkoç talked about & I'm not a native Turkish speaker so I won't dare integrate Erkoç's research into the Western Turkic Khaganate article. Whenever you're available, would you please have a look? Thanks in advance & Regards! Erminwin (talk) 19:22, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Erminwin: I can help but exactly which page are you talking about? Beshogur (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Beshogur:: The page is Western Turkic Khaganate, the note is note 29 Western Turkic Khaganate#cite ref 29 in section Western Turkic Khaganate#The Onoq or ten tribes. If you think note 29 to be wrong, just feel free to delete it or modify it however you please using Erkoç's research. Erminwin (talk) 20:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Erminwin: I can't read Chinese, and still don't understand what the issue is, can you elaborate? Beshogur (talk) 20:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Beshogur:: Alright. In Jiu Tangshu, volume 110, section Qibi Heli, it is said that Ashina Helu rebelled and led these five tribes: 處月 - Chuyue、處蜜 - Chumi、姑蘇 - Gusu、歌邏祿 Geluolu、卑失, Beishi; however, in Jiu Tangshu, volum 215, section Helu, it is said that Ashina Helu governed the multitude, which comprised the 處月 - Chuyue、處蜜 - Chumi、姑蘇 - Gusu、歌邏祿 - Geluolu、and 弩失畢五姓 - Nushibi. I proposed that 卑失 Beishi was a clerical error for Nushibi 弩失畢. When I used Google translate to read Erkoç's Turkish-language article, Erkoç apparently took the opposite position, that 卑失 Beishi was correct & Nushibi 弩失畢 resulted from scribal error. Hope this'd help. Erkoç discussed the Beishi on pages 107-109 of his article Erminwin (talk) 21:35, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Erminwin: If I am reading right on p 109, he says that Beishi on the Qibi Heli biography (XTS) might be misspelling of Nushibi. I hope it's the correct thing. Beshogur (talk) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Beshogur! I recently translated Osman Kibar from Turkish (using mostly Google translate, not any language skill) and I'm looking to potentially nominate it for DYK. Since you speak Turkish, I was wondering if you might be able to help translate a passage from a source to confirm it's saying what I think it is. From here:

– Bireysel servetle ne kadar ilgilisiniz?

Hiç ilgimi çekmiyor. Ailem, eşim ve çocuklarım dışında benim sadece kendim için harcadığım para yıllık 20 bin TL'yi bile bulmaz…

– Zirve için ABD'den 2 günlüğüne bir pantolonla gelmişsiniz, üzerinizdeki tişört de kız kardeşinizin eşi Uğur Bayar'a aitmiş… Ne alıyorsunuz kendiniz için?

En çok kitap, biraz da sinema bileti. Zevk aldığım aktiviteler bedava. Çocuklarınla vakit geçirmek, kitap okumak, GO oyunu oynamak, sinemaya gitmek…

Any assistance you're inclined to give would be much appreciated! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:01, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Yes the translations are correct except it should be: "mostly books". Beshogur (talk) 09:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Already watching Osman I, will watch the other as well. Beshogur (talk) 18:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I've restored the Azerbaijani name now as you raised that as an issue - though "Talish" is the English language version of both the Azerbaijani and Armenian name for the village and it would probably be prudent to rename the article eventually per WP:COMMONNAME. AntonSamuel (talk) 15:23, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

@AntonSamuel: see another relevant discussion about this issue. Beshogur (talk) 15:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Beshogur, about the latest update in the article Diyarbakır, reliable public information has been retrieved for an unconvincing reason. Nor can it be justified by Hashemite theories as it is history and does not coincide with what was mentioned above. If you have a note, write it here or on the article talk page before starting any cross-out. Thanks. Torivar (talk) 00:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi - FYI, there's a thread at WP:ANI which concerns you; the user who raised it didn't notify you, so I'm doing so now. Best GirthSummit _(blether) 14:35, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, a user named Torivar keeps vandalizing and adding POV information to the Kirkuk page MasgoufMaster (talk) 19:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I was only going by what the available source states(including the quote that is shown). Also, you should realize that user:Toaster9 has a habit of adding dates of birth to other articles with nothing but their own opinion. Toaster9 is most likely user:Ulyvoei. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:29, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't know that user but I think Kemalpasazade's claim should be in infobox? What do you think? Checked the source myself. Beshogur (talk) 20:31, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I have nothing against referenced information. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

	Season's Greetings
	Wishing you a Happy Holiday Season, and a beautiful and productive New Year! पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Wishing the same. Beshogur (talk) 17:47, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Beshogur, with the fall of the unionist government at the end of WWI, ITC splintered into many factions. Most of them eventually pledged allegiance into Mustafa Kemal Pasha's Mudaafa Hukuk Cemiyeti (later Cumhuriyet Halk Fırkısı) however some were against his leadership. This rogue unionist faction tried to attempted to assassinate Ataturk in 1926, but the plot was uncovered and a purge was conducted which left the committee dead for good. I recommend you read the article on Ataturk's attempted assassination — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benlittlewiki (talk • contribs) 19:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång is wishing you the season's greetings.
Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's solstice or Christmas,
Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus,
or the Saturnalia,
this is a special time of year for (almost) everyone.

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Tack själv, sana da mutlu yıllar! Beshogur (talk) 14:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	Hi Beshogur, Thank you for your latest contribution to the Genghis Khan article. Although, I am curious as to how were you able to find any valid source on Genghis Khan's title being posthumously known as Genghis Huangdi? I scoured through resources to no avail. Thank you again! Respectfully, TheKhatunSur (talk) 12:54, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@TheKhatunSur: thanks, not sure if I earned this barnstar haha. I searched the history and found this edit. Considering it's given after his death, it is posthumously. Also checked Chinese wiki, seems like that's from there. (根据《元史·太祖本纪》记载，“元年丙寅，帝大会诸王群臣，建九斿白旗，即皇帝位于斡难河之源，诸王群臣共上尊号曰成吉思皇帝。”《元史·祭祀三·宗庙上》记载，至元十三年，元朝太庙中元太祖的牌位上写的是“成吉思皇帝”，原文是：“是岁，改作金主，太祖主题曰“成吉思皇帝”，睿宗题曰“太上皇也可那颜”，皇后皆题名讳。”具体内容可参见：《元史·祭祀三·宗庙上》 页面存档备份，存于互联网档案馆“成吉思皇帝”这一称呼，还见于元朝全真教掌教李志常写的《长春真人西游记》，正文中和书后面附录记载的圣旨中对元太祖的称呼也是“成吉思皇帝”。具体内容可参见：《长春真人西游记》 页面存档备份，存于互联网档案馆 1998年12月，一块“成吉思皇帝圣旨金牌”发现于河北廊坊，上面正面刻双钩汉字：“天赐，成吉思皇帝圣旨，疾。”背面牌心刻双钩契丹文，其意：速、走马，或快马。具体内容可参见：成吉思文物“成吉思皇帝圣旨金牌”的发现 页面存档备份，存于互联网档案馆) don't try to read it. Beshogur (talk) 13:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Beshogur: I am quite new to Wiki and I was compelled to thank you with a gesture... I was debating on gifting a virtual goat.

I would like to emphasize that I was not and still not able to find any official sources validating this posthumous "official" title. The original note read "Before Kublai Khan announced the dynastic name "Great Yuan" in 1271, Khagans (Great Khans) of the Mongol State (Ikh Mongol Uls) already started to use the Chinese title of Emperor (Chinese: 皇帝; pinyin: Huángdì) practically in the Chinese language since Genghis Khan (as 成吉思皇帝; 'Genghis Huangdi')." The source isn't verified.

1. Genghis Khan died in 1227, 44 years before 1271, when the Yuan Dynasty was officially established under Kublai Khan. There are no sources to verify the Huangdi title was used to refer to Genghis Khan.

2. The title of an imperial rank in Mongolic/Turkic language stands as Khan " Mongolian Script: ᠬᠠᠭᠠᠨ ; Chinese: 可汗; pinyin: Kèhán or Chinese: 大汗; pinyin: Dàhán; Persian: خاقان‎ Khāqān, alternatively spelled Kağan, Kagan, Khaghan, Kaghan, Khakan, Khakhan, Xagahn, Qaghan, Chagan, Қан, or Kha'an" as more phonetically familiar. < Vovin, Alexander. 2010. Once Again on the Ruan-ruan Language. Ötüken'den İstanbul'a Türkçenin 1290 Yılı (720–2010) Sempozyumu From Ötüken to Istanbul, 1290 Years of Turkish (720–2010). 3–5 Aralık 2010, İstanbul / 3–5 December 2010, İstanbul: 1–10.>

@TheKhatunSur: I didn't include it either. Perhaps see the relevant discussion at the article's talk page. I just added that it's posthumously if this true.Beshogur (talk) 14:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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@Armatura: huh, what am I supposed to say? Did barely edit last one month. Beshogur (talk) 23:57, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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@Armatura: I prefer to abstain it. I deleted that because it was WP:OR, so unrelated. You said something like: (not your words ofc, my interpretation) this statement is similar to as Russia's, etc. and putting old links. Which are first unrelated, secondly mixing up sources and inventing a sentence. I hope you understand. About dispute noticeboard, I didn't even follow the rest of the discussion about war crimes, etc. And you can see I barely edited last month there. Beshogur (talk) 01:02, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

You have all rights to abstain from suggested discussion and to interpret others' statements your way. Thank you for your work on the article as a whole. Regards Armatura (talk) 01:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks you too. Commented by the way. Beshogur (talk) 01:13, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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