User talk:Boing! said Zebedee/Archive 11

Non-notable BeachGolf

Good Morning! Thank you for consider my request. How can I show that Beach Golf is a notable sport? On the internet you can find lots of videos, but Wikipedia blocks them to publish. Can I publish some PDF articles? I ask your help, because anyone has still answered me. Thank you --Lucapremier88 (talk) 10:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Have a look over WP:RS for an explanation of what constitutes a reliable source. What you need is multiple independent third-party sources covering the sport in a non-trivial way - eg national newspapers, news sites, magazines and their sites, established sports sites, etc. Sites where anyone can upload content (eg YouTube, Facebook, blogs), and advertising/promotional sites, are usually not considered reliable sources. Hope this helps -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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Reverting ipsock?

Hi Boing, I noticed Special:Contributions/122.109.237.114 and wondered whether I could (or should) just revert their edits without further comment, and add the {{ipsock}} tag to the ip user page? - Cheers - DVdm (talk) 09:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Update: I notice that James took action already. I still wonder, can I, as a regular editor with rollback, do the same (without the blocking of course), i.e. reverting the edits and tagging the ip user page? - DVdm (talk) 10:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I don't see any problem with that - I used to revert and tag socks before I got the admin bit -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:57, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, txh. - DVdm (talk) 12:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey!

Thanks for all the hard work on the project. You're absolutely right on the SPI page in suspecting a recurrence of my idiotic trolling (I feel rather guilty this morning and I am actually rather over the relationship in question) but I'd just like to correct you on one small point regarding my MO. It's easy to see why you assumed the title was a reference to the girl who cheated on me with those men (it's unfair for me to stereotype their whole nationality based on that, and the xenophobic nature of some of my earlier attempts at vandalising Wikipedia is very upsetting to recall as I try not to be like that at all) but a more common origin of my usernames is (usually obscure) song titles.

Thank you for your patient work on the project. LoveHasComeAround (talk) 11:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for confessing, but you know that one has to be blocked too - however apologetic you may be after the event, multiple socking and repeat vandalism is very destructive -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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Got it, thanks - I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I'll attend to it as soon as I can -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Fit (manufacturing)

Hello, you deleted an article called Fit (manufacturing) I was about to write it as a translation from the Spanish article, so I'm going to create it again. Thank you. --Mario Arbery (talk) 10:19, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Creating a proper article is fine - the deleted original just didn't actually contain anything other than a redlink to a non-existent template -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

AN/I - TopGun

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心灵计算理论

You can delete this too Theoretical calculation of the soul - it's the translation of it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Got it, ta -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Awakward copyright issue

Any thoughts about Bryce C. Burt? It is a copy/paste of the blog, which does not itself have any copyright assertion. However, it seems possible that the blog is itself a copy/paste of the journal that it references. I cannot prove this point but the style is typical of potted biographies as found in Who's Who and similar publications. I didn't CSD it because the situation is potentially ambiguous. - Sitush (talk) 14:17, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, tricky. If it looks worth keeping, I might be tempted to reword it, but then there would be a problem with sourcing if we can't see the journal to check - the article can't be sourced only to the blog. I might be tempted to go for AfD - I agree a CSD for copyvio is probably not appropriate, as the actual copyright holder is probably not the blog itself -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that the guy passes the notability guideline. I'll see if I can dig anything up that enables the existing content to be removed in its entirety, ie: a total rewrite. - Sitush (talk) 14:35, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

That would be cool - meanwhile, I'll go shopping :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:37, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Done. I'll try to get hold of a full obituary at some point, but there is no way that article is going to be deleted now. - Sitush (talk) 17:55, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Goût De Diamants

Just an FYI, you declined the speedy because the article is under construction, but the author was blocked for spam and username issues. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 16:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, missed that. Thanks for letting me know - it's deleted now -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

RfA

Thank you for your support and comment at my recent successful RFA. I do not feel adminship is authority, but is rather a responsibility and trust accompanied by a few extra buttons. Being now the new fellow in the fraternity of administrators, I will do my best to live up to the confidence shown in me by others, will move slowly and carefully when using the mop, will seek input from others before any action of which I might be unsure, and will try not to break anything beyond repair. Best, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 17:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

mariannan

Working with that user is incredibly frustrating. She is either an incredibly good troll, or is completely clueless. I had similar frustrations to your when she seemed to interpret the most simple instructions in the worst possible way, multiple times. I may be out of place, but I vote her ban should stay. Either she is pure vandal, or has too little understanding of how things work. Either way she will remain disruptive imo. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I had a look over your previous interaction with this user, and I can see how hard it was. I think we either have perhaps the worst lack of WP:COMPETENCE I've seen, or a troll - either way, there is clearly little chance they can contribute constructively, so I'm close to revoking Talk page access -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I believe there may be a sock of this user Santre34. I have reported, but you may be interested. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Yoghurt

There is no evidence at the ANI that there is consensus for reopening it. Are you seriously suggesting that when an RM has been run only a month earlier that another should then be run because that is not normally acceptable? -- PBS (talk) 20:17, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm suggesting merely that you do not have the right to shut the community up when they wish to discuss a page move, especially not when the last one was "no consensus", when there seems to be a clear consensus emerging now, and when there is no consensus at ANI that the new RM should be prevented. There are clearly a lot more people involved this time, and one big final discussion is surely in everyone's best interests, isn't it? Lawyering over how long people have to wait is only going to delay the inevitable, which will be another RM, whether you like it or not -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

It was closed again. Can I report the admin to ANI? What are the proper actions to take here? Maybe you would be more adept to doing so, but I would like to support you if you move forward with reporting PBS (otherwise I would like to do so myself, though I am not familiar with the proper avenue or method). -Kai445 (talk) 20:38, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I've blocked him for 24 hours for edit-warring/wheel-warring. I need to pop out now, but I'll seek a review at ANI when I get back -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

You have blocked PBS for 24 hours - and edit-warred with him. You had a plausible case that he had misbehaved, until you behaved much worse; not least in that you prevented him from explaining himself. Please reverse yourself.Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit warred? Two other editors besides this admin, myself included, reverted his actions. Looks like a one-man war to me. -Kai445 (talk) 21:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

PBS's action are a different aubject, and under discussion elsewhere. But none of the three of you ought to have blocked him; what part of uninvolved admin does Kai445 fail to understand? Neither the proponents of one side in the underlying discussion, nor the admin warring with PBS are uninvolved.

I do, however, acknowledge BsZ's reduction to a three-hour block. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:27, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Yep, I appreciate there is an element of Involved here, but I thought that PBS's revert of the revert of his closure, after an admin had objected to it, was wheel-warring, and that his protection of the page against non-admin editing was an abuse of admin tools and showed contempt for the non-admins who have a right to contribute. As such, I felt it best to act quickly to try to stop the conflict escalating, and I fully expect to unblock PBS as soon as I have my ANI report posted -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I am going to take my actions to ANI for review - everyone will be welcome to air their opinions there. Just give me a few minutes, and when it's done I'll post a link here -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Philip Baird Shearer is asking to be unblocked. You may want to look at the request --Guerillero | My Talk 21:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Already done -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:46, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

You make nearly as many typos as I do. But then I have an excuse -- I can't type. -- PBS (talk) 22:31, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Hehe ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:38, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• ANI review request is at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#My block of admin PBS - review please -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:40, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

User talk:46.182.124.115

For WP:DENY purposes, it's OK to delete the talk pages of socks of that guy. Other admins have deleted the talk pages of other socks too (see the deleted stuff on User talk:Jasper Deng/Nonconfirmed).Jasper Deng (talk) 23:33, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe, but I'd say just blanking a Talk page is sufficient for WP:DENY - I think it's almost always best to keep the Talk page history for future evidence. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Not for this guy. Maybe for Grawp, but not him. He's only here to mess with us, keep all the evidence off this site.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:55, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, I don't mind if you put it up for delete again - I'll be happy to leave it to someone else to decide -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:58, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Closing RfCs

Hi Boing. This RfC has been resolved, and needs closing before it continues as an after-debate.I've read the instructions, but I'm not sure if participants can close and archive it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Afraid I've not closed anything myself - RfC, AfD, nowt. So I'd rather leave it to someone else, really -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Raymond Luxury Yacht

It's spelled, "Raymond Luxury Yacht," but it's pronounced, "Throatwobbler Mangrove". I just had to stop by and acknowledge the brilliance of that. Credit where credit is due and all that, you know. All the best. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 05:58, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

J.U.I.C.E

The album, J.U.I.C.E., may have been wrongly deleted under the A9 speedy criteria because an article does exist for the artist at Roscoe Dash. A PROD may be the more appropriate route by whomever requested the speedy deletion. Thanks. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 08:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, you're right - I'm not sure how I made that mistake. I've rectified it now and reinstated the article -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:16, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, I understand now - the artist's article did not exist at the time, as it had been deleted according to CSD:A7. It was reinstated two days later -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:19, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't read deeply into the history for the band and only noticed that it went back a while. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 17:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Alleged death of a contributor

Earlier today I removed an IP posting here. I've done some digging around and it is possible that User:Victoria Ridout is indeed the person referred to in the removed news report and similar other reports. However, it does not sit right with me: I could imagine, for example, a situation where a family member might contact OTRS or something similar and thereby cause a notice to appear, but not an IP. I could also imagine a situation where there might be an entirely reasonable assumption of death if, for the sake of argument, I were to tell a couple of admins in private that I was terminally ill, had an expectation of not seeing the year out and subsequently my contributions ceased for a minimum duration of, say, six months.

But neither of these situations appear to apply. Do you think that I have done the right thing? - Sitush (talk) 13:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Yes. I mean, she stopped editing in 2005 - so isn't an active contributor - and the incident happened 2 years back. The status quo is the best way forward. --Errant ^(chat!) 13:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)(talk page stalker)I should point out that the user in question hasn't editted since 2005 and the text added wasn't exactly helpful. I think you did the right thing removing the text. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks all. Quite a sad story, who ever it was. Apparently one of her dogs wandered on to the tracks and she went to retrieve it. Rather like the stories of dog owners who drown after diving into stormy seas to rescue a pet. I've retrieved one of my dogs from the not-so-tender attentions of a badger, so I kind of understand how those situations arise. - Sitush (talk) 13:51, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

(ISP failure for a couple of hours) Yep, I agree you did the right thing - it's not something that should be publicised unless we can be sure it is the same person and comes from a reliable family source -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:19, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

ISP failure? I've had that problem. Generally, I find that replacing the piece of string between the two tins does the trick. More seriously, I am one of those who can remember using 300 baud acoustic couplers: the kids of today do not realise just how lucky they are! - Sitush (talk) 00:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I remember with great joy the day I bought the first modem that I could not read faster than. Made BBSs a different animal. And the days when pirating a game meant it was faster to drive over to your friends house across town. Gaijin42 (talk) 00:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, I started with acoustic couplers - and a phone line with a terminal at one end and a mainframe at the other. Today BT broadband was down, but after the outage was fixed, a nice man in India tested and reset my line for me and got it going again. (And with me living in Liverpool, it was nice to hear someone speaking proper English for a change ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:12, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 05 December 2011

Epidermodysplasia verruciformis

I saw your previous edit summary about the IP messing around here, so I reverted the text they added. If it should be left, feel free to revert me. Calabe1992 01:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I've temporarily blocked him so I could finish my anti-vandalism work - it had to go back further, as there was vandalism before he started, but I suspect he doesn't mean to vandalise but just doesn't really know what he's doing. I need to get off shortly, so other people watching it would be welcomed -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 02:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Watchlisted. Calabe1992 02:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 02:04, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

No, my initial quick assessment was misjudged - he's just a vandal -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 02:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Good enough. I'll watch for him - Calabe1992 02:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Deleting Ryan Gleave.

I am currently doing this page up and you are trying to delete it. 'Ryan Gleave' is currently a League of Legends in the team zymbro and gets paid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NisLox (talk • contribs) 15:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

This person is clearly not notable, and your article was blatantly disruptive - if you create anything similar again, you are likely to be blocked from editing -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:57, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Safa Khulusi

Do not template the regulars (WP:DTR), and please take the trouble to look at the talk page before leaving such messages. Paul B (talk) 11:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if you didn't like the warning, but I had to be even-handed. I did check the Talk page, but the fact remains that you have been edit-warring on that article and you must not do that - even if you are right. If other editors don't respond and you cannot get a Talk page consensus, you need to follow the steps in WP:DR -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:17, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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My recent speedy deletion nomination for List of lighthouses in the Netherlands

I am extremely sorry about incorrectly tagging this page for CSD G11. I cannot for the life of me think how this occurred except for the fact that I have maintenance tagging "quick-links" at the top of every page on WP, so I must have accidentally clicked on one of these links - it doesn't even tell me if it's done something. Again, sorry and thanks for noticing and removing the template. Osarius : T : C : Been CSD'd? 15:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, no worries, it's easily done - I accidentally tagged an article as CSD:A1 last week, when it clearly wasn't ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Department of Defense

Unfortunately your website is posting false information of a government employe. Now that a federal employe of the US government has been "slandered" your website is now part of a investigation. So unless you can give us the name or location of where these "updates" are being made, or the name of the user who is putting these post up we will remain to erase and contact your company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.199.203 (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Folantin

Hi Boing -- I've unblocked Folantin. He's defending an article against SPAs and sockpuppets, something he does frequently, particularly in the area of Persian studies. Technically you could call that edit-warring but I consider it excessively bureaucratic to block all parties when one "side" is an obvious pack of sockpuppets. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 00:19, 11 December 2011 (UTC) (ps -- the only reason I did not unblock PB is he didn't have an unblock request up, but it's probably appropriate -- I'll give you the option first.)

Hi. Edit-warring is not the correct way to deal with suspected sockpuppets, especially not when it is over a content dispute and not blatant vandalism, and PB has declined to file an SPI report. You might also note that I did get support from another (well respected) admin for my first block of PB. I will respect your unblock of Folantin, and I thank you for informing me, but I would ask you not to further overturn my judgement unilaterally, and instead seek a consensus first - I'm happy to refer my actions to ANI (though I'm off to bed now and it would have to be tomorrow), but I'm also happy for you to take it there first, and I'll respond in the morning -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes -- I won't overturn your block without the party requesting an unblock -- that's a bit farther than I will go. My general advice for cases like this is (not sure you want my advice, but here it is): always err on the side of not blocking, and always try to look a little deeper. Protect a page before blocking an established contributor. Sometimes it is a genuine edit-war that a block can stop, but other times it may be long-established editors versus nationalist POV-pushing SPAs, or some such thing; Folantin, PB, Dbachmann, and some others spend a lot of their time defending parts of Wikipedia against this. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 00:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

What I am actually asking is that you don't overturn my block without consensus even if PB does request unblock, as User:FisherQueen has already supported me. PB has refused to pursue the sockpuppet line, even clearly saying "sockpuppeting is not the issue" - so I don't see how you can justify his edit-warring as being about a socking issue when he clearly states himself that it is not. It did look like a content dispute to me, with one side claiming censorship and the other claiming undue weight given to a large quote, and the way to solve such things is *never* edit-warring. So I would appreciate your getting a consensus before you take any further action to revert mine - as I say, I will request review in the morning (and I will make appropriate amends if the consensus is that I was wrong) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I wanted to point out that your behavior and equanimity in this matter has been exemplary. I am almost positive that I wouldn't have been able to keep cool when subjected to the behavior you acted serenely through. My compliments and deepest respect. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:05, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

That's very kind and much appreciated, thank you -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:18, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Protest of the Removal of the Kris Neild Page

I am downright disgusted by your removal of the Kris Neild wikipedia page. It warmed my heart to see the lovely folklore of the Virginia mountains, specifically the tale of Kris Neild, reflected on Wikipedia. I believe that it added an invaluable reflection upon the culture of an important region within the United States that has very limited access to the internet. Therefore, this may be the only chance for their very important and unique culture to be reflected on the world wide web. Please allow them to represent their society without judging them first. Thank you for your considering. Brendon Kenerly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbkbbkbbkbbk (talk • contribs) 21:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Any further trolling is very likely to get you blocked from editing -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:08, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Unblocking

Psst. That didn't quite go as planned. I gather you forgot? :D Hopefully, I've done it correctly. I'm not really that comfortable with the autoblock thing. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

No, I did it, and it told me it had unblocked - don't know what went wrong -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Must have been a technical error. There's no record of your unblock in his block log. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:31, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Yogurt

D'oh! to both of us; I reinserted vandalism, and then you reverted me with the vandalism summary. (grin) Looks a little fishy to me. Horologium (talk) 20:18, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry I hit the wrong button - I made a null edit to correct my summary -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Safa Khulusi

Thank you very much for being fair and even-handed. I regret the situation has caused you so much grief. I’m sure its apparent that Im new to Wikipedia, and I don’t know the rules. I seem to have walked into a Shakespearian lions den and met with the most ferocious of the lions. I am not an academic and no match for any experienced Editor, hence my reluctance to engage on the Talk page of the article.

Prof. Khulusi is recognised as a respected and influential scholar, whose literary work spanned over 50 years. He is arguably one of the most respected and prolific Iraqi scholars of the last century (novels, textbooks and countless articles in both Arabic and English). His work on Shakespearian language accounted for less than one percent of that, yet almost a third of this biography on him is focused on this one topic with a subjective and as I see it, insulting extract from Ormsby as a large centrepiece.

There was a derogatory quote referring to Prof. Khulusi’s work as "demented" in the lead section of this article from the earliest draft on 18/10/2011, which an attempt to remove on 26/11 was rejected the same day, before being removed again on 1/12. Which other distinguished international scholar has had similar treatment in his lead section? The fact that it was present in the earliest draft, and there was resistance to its removal speaks volumes about the views of the originator of this article and the slant that he (and now the friend that has joined him on the Talk page) is determined it will take. They intend to have their pound of flesh. There is still a reference in the lead section that directs the reader to the Shakespeare issue.

Most of the material regarding Prof. Khulusi and his career in this article has been paraphrased from his Obituary published in The Independent 1995. The originator of this biography knows very little about Prof. Khulusi save one thing, that he put forward work showing similarities between Shakespearian English and Classical Arabic and a fanciful story about Arab origin to Shakespeare. This has clearly caused the greatest affront to him, even though he has not even read first hand the original book, and is going on other peoples accounts of it. This has been the sole catalyst for this article in Wikipedia and the intentional attempt to disparage and discredit.

I note the thoughtful and analytical contribution of Nishidani in the Talk page of the article and my comments do not relate him.

I really think that this biography is important, but at present is deeply flawed, and would be grateful for your advice on what the mechanism is for requesting to have the article reviewed and maybe rewritten in a fair minded and objective manner and then hopefully protected. Kindest regards.--Simon Salousy (talk) 21:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Firstly, thanks for responding. (And don't worry about any grief - it's part of what I expected when I took on the admin role :-)

Firstly, coming here is a good first step, and the next step is to discuss your disagreements on the article Talk page, at Talk:Safa Khulusi - there isn't any real alternative to that before seeking further assistance. The discussion will need to be about the content, and not about other editors or their motives.

I get the feeling that no parties to the current disagreement really knew how to deal with dispute resolution properly, so what I think I'll do is add a few comments on the Talk page suggesting ways forward, ways to seek consensus, and perhaps ways in which compromise might be achieved. And I'll outline ways in which third-party help can be later sought if necessary - I'll keep my comments neutral, and will address them to everyone involved.

One thing I can't really do is offer any opinions on the content of the article itself. I want to avoid getting involved in any actual content decisions, and I want to be able to offer neutral guidance.

But right now it's late where I am, and I need to get some sleep - goodnight for now -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Very busy day today, sorry - I'll try to get onto it tomorrow -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I'm really sorry I haven't had time to get back to this. But I see there has been some discussion going on at the Talk page, which is a big improvement - I can really only suggest that all interested parties continue with that approach -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

User:User38563

Hi. Thanks for this block, but please reconsider its length.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Longer or shorter? I went for 1 week as it seemed like a reasonable compromise between extending his previous 1 week block, and acknowledging that this one was for a different block reason - but I'm happy to adjust it if you think that would be best. He has never responded to a warning or block, which is what we would ideally like to see - but it would be good to be able to get some sort of dialog going and hopefully encourage better interaction, as he does seem to have the enthusiasm -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 December 2011

Hey, Boing from Hoth...

...apparently you're fat. Ouch! (Or am I?) I guess school is out somewhere on the planet. Drmies (talk) 17:56, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I am fat, as it happens, and happy with it :-) Cheers -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I removed TPA already, before you did this. Feel free to restore it. Drmies (talk) 18:03, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not at all offended, and I thought it would be better to leave it there for all to see :-) Cheers -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:05, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

But I do appreciate your concern, thanks -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:07, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Gearheaddeals page deletion

hello, could you please restore the page of mine you deleted? this website has become very popular recently and although you may not have heard of it there are many car enthusiasts who use it frequently.

you put a G8 as the reason for page deletion but I had written in a few reasons why it is important. i also included those reasons within the page's listing.

please reconsider. thank you. Bmwm3guy (talk) 03:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. The G8 was on the Talk page - the article was deleted as A7, as there were not sufficient indications of importance, and your stated reasons (being popular, it is the only one doing whatever it does, nobody else puts in so much effort, etc) are not sufficient. Have a look at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) to get some idea of the notability requirements for a company or organisation to have its own Wikipedia article, and Wikipedia:Notability (web) for the criteria for web sites or other web content -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:02, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the response, I did some more research and I would like to add that it is notable because it received the notice from autoblog.com (an article I posted as reference). Autoblog is the biggest automotive news site (owned by huffington post) in the US and it receives over 2 million unique visitors per month. Having a company that large take note of gearheaddeals is what is notable. There are also a few more independent news sources available and listed in my article. The information is there, relevant, and matches with the definitions described in the links you have sent me to so I feel strongly that it meets the criteria. I would like to emphasize in the article that gearheaddeals was the "First daily deals site for the automotive market" which adds to their notability.

Bmwm3guy (talk) 11:49, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Look, it seems clear that you are trying to promote this organisation, and that's not what Wikipedia is for. The version of the article that you wrote was clearly written in promotional tones as well as not establishing notability - things like "other competitors popped up but have not lasted", "Even Dealnews, which is a large daily discount website, created an automotive section because of Gearheaddeals but its selection of products is limited", and "In comparison, Gearheaddeals posts 5-6 discounts per day. Unlike others, it does not require the user to place the order through its site" are absolutely not acceptable for an encyclopedia article. If an article about Gearheaddeals is to be acceptable, it would have to be a very different one to the one you created, and if you have any commercial connections with the site yourself, then it really should not be you who writes it.

And looking at your sources, this is just an interview and so is effectively a primary source - we need independent secondary sources, this looks to be essentially just a news release/promo (and as it's a blog, it's uncertain who wrote it or whether it is properly independent). And the others are similar - they basically just look like promos.

So no, I am not going to restore the article that you wrote. If you believe the subject really is notable and that you really can find sufficient reliable sources to cover a properly-written encyclopedia article, rather than your promotional first attempt, you can build it as a draft in your own user space - eg at User:Bmwm3guy/Gearheaddeals, and only submit it as an article when you're sure it can meet Wikipedia's requirements. But it will have to be very different to your first attempt, and there is no promise it will not be deleted too. Your alternative, should you wish to appeal my decision, is to take it to deletion review, at WP:DRV -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:38, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

PS: I forgot to say, if you want to go ahead and try for a better version of the article, I can provide you with the contents of the deleted version as a starting point -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:01, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I apologize for it sounding that way. I've never written a wiki article so I tried my best. I am not affiliated with the company, but I do use their service. That is why I want to write this because I feel it is a novel idea and very helpful to many people. I will write another one now and put it in my drafts. The main credible article is from Autoblog.com, and although it has blog in the name, it is a serious news source that is owned and run by the huffington post and written by all credible authors.Bmwm3guy (talk) 23:55, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I just clicked the link you provided to add a draft and rewrote it. Made it more objective sounding and changed some of the references out. Please give me some tips and help me get this article acceptable.Bmwm3guy (talk) 00:17, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, could you please check out the new page in my drafts and help me refine it? Thank youBmwm3guy (talk) 00:07, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, been very busy - I'll get back to you tomorrow -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry, but I can't suggest anything that would make the article more acceptable, for the simple reason that I just don't think the site is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. All of the sources look like they are effectively just promos/press releases to me - even the Autoblog one, which actually says their source is the Gearheaddeals site itself. However if you still disagree and you'd like a second opinion, you could ask for my deletion of it to be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review, and mention your new user space draft there -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

The Looters

I am wondering why The Looters was deleted? I am a freelance journalist and use wikipedia to research artists in Georgia. The reason I wrote the article is because there are so many hyperlinks to it throughout Wikipedia and I know the significance of the band on Georgia music as a whole. This band began as a backing band for Georgia Music Hall of Famer Rosa King, launched the career of Kristina Train (BMI recording artist and member of Herbie Hancock's Imagine Band]], played the world's biggest jazz festivals with Saskia Laroo, and are now backing Dr. Dan Matrazzo, a founder of jam music who has been called one of the best 10 keyboardists in the world by various publications. They are number 1 on various internet music charts for their original music in Georgia, and are currently recording an album that will be released in the Spring with either Landslide or Blue Canoe Records, according to their interview on Georgia Southern "Buzz" radio last month. I have extensive knowledge of the Georgia music scene and would like to continue editing things associated with this musical family, having a deep knowledge of artists such as The Allman Brothers, Col. Bruce Hampton, derek Trucks, Widespread Panic, Drivin' and Cryin', and many others....but now I am afraid to do so since I worked quite a long time writing and annotating this article, even going to the length of having it reviewed by administrators in the chat page before making it live. I wonder why those "editors" did not have an issue with the article when you did. Thanks and I look forward to your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gruffbanejoe (talk • contribs) 04:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Apologies, I've been very busy - I'll need to re-examine the deleted article and will get back to you as soon as I can -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 03:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Hamlet of Denmark

You think my article is nonsense, but it chronicles the life of King Hamlet I.

There was no real King Hamlet. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 03:21, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Heading

can u tell me after editing an article should v put sign or not.(Muks (talk) 04:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC))

Hi - no, you should not sign article edits, only Talk page comments -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 04:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Def X

Hello, I posted a page about a rapper named Def X,and you deleted it. I'm not mad,but I would like to ask your permission to recreate the page if it is okay with you? If you need any information then feel free to ask me. I have backround information on this individual and I want to make a Wikipeadia page to identify him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyrendice (talk • contribs) 05:07, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Wikipedia only carries articles about musicians after they have achieved fame - multiple albums released, hit singles, etc. Have a look at WP:NMUSIC to see the kind of notability required -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 05:12, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Hey you, yeah your right, my edit was a bit hasty, sorry for that. Just that guy was such an asshole to me lol! But im actually here to ask you why i cant edit semi-protected pages even though ive reached an edit count of over 10? It says that if you make 10 or more edits then your account is autoconfirmed and you can edit semi-protected articles, but i cant? Only asking you because i dont exactly know anyone else here except you because you posted on my talk page. Thanks.--UpaNotch36 (talk) 10:52, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. To achieve the autoconfirmed status needed to edit semi-protected articles, an account needs to be at least 4 days old as well as having made 10 edits -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:56, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

UNDELETE MY PAGE

DUDE PLEASE PURIFIED DEMON WANT THEIR PAGE BACK WE ARE KNOWN AMOUNST 10'S, POSSIBLY 100'S. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purifieddemon (talk • contribs) 10:58, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I gave you a link to WP:NBAND - I suggest you have a read of it -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:00, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

they have one of those criteria - they won the largest contribution to music award in the Hornby area amoungst youths, the trophy is being engraved — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purifieddemon (talk • contribs) 11:06, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

If you mean "8. Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award", a local Hornby area youth award doesn't count -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:10, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hornby area, eh? Do they perform Chattanooga Choo-Choo? - Sitush (talk) 13:07, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Redlinked category

There is a redlinked category at Kaithi but I am blowed if I can find where it lies in the code so as to remove the thing. Can you spot it? - Sitush (talk) 13:05, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, weird - my only suspicion was via one of the included templates, like {{Unicode chart Kaithi}}, but I can see no problems with them, and nothing weird about the included images either -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:17, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

OK. I'll do some more digging. Meanwhile, is there any chance that you might look at User_talk:Kayastha_Shiromani - they have just inserted a load of nonsense at Kayastha for the third time in 30 minutes or so ... and they have a history of doing this. - Sitush (talk) 13:23, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I've found it. In the {{Infobox writing system}} template, there's the following code...

{{<#if:{{ISO 15924 code|{{{iso15924|}}}|default=}}|

<tt>{{ISO 15924 code|{{{iso15924|}}} }}<br>

{{ISO 15924 number|{{{iso15924|}}} }}</tt>

[[Category:{{ISO 15924/wp-category|{{{iso15924|}}}}}]]

}}

I don't understand quite how it generates the category, but if I temporarily take it out the category disappears -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:30, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I just took a small piece of code out of {{Unicode chart Kaithi}} and the problem went away. I moved that code to the template talk page, along with an explanatory note re: why I had done it. I know nowt! - Sitush (talk) 13:34, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't see how that should make any difference, as it's wrapped in <noinclude> and should only put the template in the category, not the article. Perhaps it's a combination of the two bits of code, one bit in each template? Maybe an expert will be able to understand it -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:43, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

PS: I've blocked the serial edit-warrior for a week -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:43, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The category is determined from the ISO code Kthi, through {{ISO 15924/wp-category}}. Over there, I have edited Kthi = Brahmic scripts, so the red category is now gone.

Background: since last August all 190 or so ISO script codes are recognised through the base {{ISO 15924}} template, but not all code-to-categoryname have been entered correctly. Some category names are still red (see the overview on the template /document page). -DePiep (talk) 13:45, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, I just spotted the explanation at Template:ISO_15924/wp-category, thanks -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Agree, this automated-category-nameing is tricky business. Hope it did not disturb you all too much. -DePiep (talk) 13:53, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I learned something new - can't be bad ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:55, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting this out. I cannot claim fully to understand what has been going on - perhaps that is proof that I am not as geeky as some of my mates believe me to be! The Campaign for Real Geeks starts here. - Sitush (talk) 13:58, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Sitush, an editor entered in the infobox: iso15924=Kthi. The template shows this Kthi-code, and also uses it to give the ISO script number (317), using {{ISO 15924 number|Kthi}} and its directionality (L-to-R) using {{ISO 15924 direction|Kthi}}.

As a fourth usage of that same input Kthi, the template composes a [[Category:...]]. The category name is produced by {{ISO_15924/wp-category|Kthi}}. Since that list had a nonexistent Category name for Kthi (Kthi=Kaithi), it showed up as that red link on the page. After I edited the name into "Kthi=Brahmic scripts", it show the blue link correctly (actually, that category name was already on the page, so the two collapsed into one blue Catlink). -DePiep (talk) 14:17, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Template testing

Hey, noticed that you did a test edit of the Writing Systems infobox. I would appreciate you taking the time to use a sandbox for any similar edits in the future, as infoboxes are routinely transcluded into hundreds of articles - the Writing Systems infobox has 281, and is a fairly small wikiproject. You can transclude pages in your user space using the {{User:XXX/subpage}} syntax. Much thanks, VanIsaac_WS^contribs 14:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, yes, it was during an investigation into the apparent problem outlined in the section above - I knew it would only take a few seconds and at worst would temporarily remove a category, but yes, I should indeed have copied it and tested using the copy, sorry -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I tried to do that one time, and my internet connection went down. Never again for me. VanIsaac_WS^contribs 15:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, excellent point! -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:48, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

removal of my friends band page sureela phateechar

Hello,Admin.Sir I respect you and appreciate your work and sincerity but its my humble request and it will be a big favor from you if you can reopst my article Sureela Phateechar its my friend's band.I wrote about it on Wikipedia so that everyone can search it easily.It is very important for the musicians,specially in our country Pakistan.I know you must be thinking I am one of those terrorists too but believe me its a very big misunderstanding and some issues with poilitcs our country our youth has nothing to do with terrorists,this is is very important for that band so that they might get searched online and someone ask them to go for concerts and all,and it will be helpful for them if more people can hear and read about them.I totally understand your concern,but it is an urge if you can re post it.please do it if you can please thanks :) Rehan Ali here take care,may God give you long life — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wishalsahb (talk • contribs) 19:02, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

It's got nothing to do with terrorists or politics - and you really should read WP:AGF before you start throwing such unpleasant allegations around. The article was deleted because it did not make it clear why the band is sufficiently important for a Wikipedia article, and that is all. Have a read of WP:NBAND to find out the notability needed for a band to have a Wikipedia article - if you can find sources that satisfy the conditions there, you can have the article restored. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:39, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Esignature

Hi,

This page was deleted citing the article being promotional. If i resubmit the article with links to non-commercial sites, will it still be considered as promotional.

Please suggest.

Regards Esignature — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esignature (talk • contribs) 10:53, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. There's are several problems here, I think. Firstly, it was not actually an article, it was your user page, and article-type material held on your main user page is discouraged - you can use, say, a user subpage for developing an article, but it must ultimately be destined for a proper article. Secondly, it did look like it was promoting https://rightsignature.com/, though I can accept you might just have chosen that one as an example. Also, the last two paragraphs ("...be sure to select a reliable provider" etc) really did sound promotional (or at least advisory, and Wikipedia articles should not contain subjective advice). And finally, we already have an article at Electronic signature, so we can't really accept another one in any case - but you would be welcome to work on that one if you believe it needs improving (and judging by the templates at the top of the article, it could indeed benefit from some work) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:10, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Bitstrips

Bitstips Has Over 900,000 Members i see no Reason it is not Notable See For yourself bitstrips.com Rancalred (talk) 12:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Your article made no plausible claims of importance - 900,000 members might perhaps be one, but you never mentioned that and made no other claims of importance, and so it really wasn't relevant to the deletion decision. please see WP:NWEB and feel free to try again if you believe the site can satisfy it -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Junaid Masoodi

why the page was deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Computerfreak10 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Assuming you mean Junaid Masoodi, it was deleted because it made no claims as to why the person is of sufficient importance for a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not Facebook, it is an encyclopedia, and only carries articles about people who have achieved sufficient notability to attract attention from reliable third party sources. Have a look over WP:GNG for the general notability guidelines, and see WP:RS to learn about sourcing. Please do not recreate the article unless you are sure it can satisfy those requirements - and certainly do not create with just with the content "Why was it deleted" -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Hat

Is it on its way? Not here yet. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, hey, sorry - I'll be heading to the post office today or tomorrow (and I also need to tackle my large email backlog ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:40, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

URGENT! PLEASE READ!!

hello, sorry to bother you, but it appears that your account is officialy compromised and your password details have been taken. But, alas, do not panic. To regain safe, secure access to your current account message me your current password. We need this for security reasons otherwise your account may never be recovered. Thank you.--UpaNotch36 (talk) 19:25, 20 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by UpaNotch36 (talk • contribs)

Have an indefinite block instead -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Okidoke:) DMacks (talk) 19:39, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!

	You're most genius Admin so far I encountered!
	Keep it up... HassanQ (talk) 23:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

That's very kind, Hassan, thank you very much -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Sorted -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 11:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Notability of surnames

Are you aware of any guidance for the notability of surnames, ie: articles that relate entirely to the surname? - Sitush (talk) 14:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

No, I've actually looked before and I'm pretty sure there isn't anything specific. Whenever I've seen surname articles challenged for notability, it's been in the context of WP:GNG -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:28, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Tis the season

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Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec11}} to your friends' talk pages.

Here's hoping that your first year as an admin wasn't to frustrating. Have a great 2012 on Wiki and off. MarnetteD | Talk 21:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It's actually been pretty rewarding so far, and hasn't driven me completely mad yet (but I'm working on it). Have a great, erm, whatever it is you celebrate, yourself :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:24, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

That's good to hear. I like celebrating them all as that gives me more parties to attend. :-) Cheers MarnetteD | Talk 22:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Committed Identity?

I need you to see if my committed identity is in the correct format. --Phenomer TALK CONTRIBUTIONS 17:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. It looks like you have shown the encrypted version fine, but I can't check it has been encrypted correctly. If you are sure it is the correct encryption using SHA-512, then all should be well - but if you want to send me the plain text version (using the email facility - obviously don't publish it anywhere), I'll be happy to check it for you (and I will, of course, keep it confidential) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Will do, Boing! said Zebedee! --Phenomer TALK CONTRIBUTIONS 18:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

My talk page

For reasons that I cannot quite fathom, over the last few days I have had obviously Indian contributors asking me for help/advice rather than taking the usual pot shots. I feel quite faint!

Anyway, bearing the requests etc in mind, I would appreciate it if you could keep an eye on my talk page. Feel free to chime in as I think that some of them may overestimate my capabilities/knowledge of policy etc & I would not like to dole out the wrong info or advice. - Sitush (talk) 19:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Gosh - don't let it go to your head, now ;-) Not sure why I didn't already have your Talk page stalked, but I have now and I'll try to help with policy where I can - but I'll still steer clear of actual content decisions, to try to maintain my uninvolved admin status. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

That is fine, thanks. Exactly what I meant. - Sitush (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm watching one of these conversations on your page with interest. Cynical me thinks it's just a more subtle approach to the old "you are defaming my caste!" accusation. JanetteDoe (talk) 20:48, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

It is a variety of forum shopping - the person just doesn't want to let this issue drop and seemingly cannot understand the cited policies etc despite numerous people giving numerous, somewhat repetitive explanations. I've no idea if the underlying issue is WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT or WP:COMPETENCE but if it goes on for much longer then I think they'll find that the community patience will begin to wear thin. - Sitush (talk) 21:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Advice please

Hi Boing. I just inadvertently clicked the wrong button when closing this. I have restored it, but we're left with a debate that shows the wrong closure and we're not supposed to re-edit it. What to do? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:31, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

→Στc. 07:41, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, it seems to have been resolved, although I would personally be cautious about re-editing a closed discussion. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:57, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I think editing closed discussions to correct a mistake would be acceptable under WP:IAR. →Στc. 08:38, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Good point, but under the current climate at Wikipedia with the wolf-pack hunting for admins, one can't be too careful ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:41, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree - I think it's fine for the closing admin to edit it to make a correction to the closing reason -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Thing was, it wasn't the closing admin - it was done before I could get some advice above. Never mind, it seems to have have been settled. Thank you both for your help. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:52, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks, and the same to you too -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:44, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Rude words

I specifically wrote, twice, that such words might have to be used because they are the part of the subject matter of the case, but that they are unnecessary and distracting, because offensive to some, if used in direct discourse. Perhaps you missed that bit. You accept that they are offensive to some but support their use. Why would you wish to offend other editors? Oh, and my view of being "grown-up" includes having the ability to adjust my language to my situation and audience. Cusop Dingle (talk) 21:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm only interested in discussing this in the actual case. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:35, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

OK. Cusop Dingle (talk) 21:46, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing the template here, I usually look at them before submitting. Thanks again, SwisterTwister talk 23:40, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy to help - that's the kind of typo I'm always doing :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:44, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Best wishes

	Bet you wish you were here!
	Warmest greetings from the Land of Smiles, and let's keep smiling together throughout the coming new year. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:04, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it's not that warm here now - temperature has dropped to around 80°F!

Ha, I'm overcome with sympathy for you! :-) Have a great time yourself - hope to be there before too long -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry X'mas~!

"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,

I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

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Good tidings to you and your kin! :) Wilhelmina Will (talk) 09:34, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

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Billava

Done, dusted. I have itemised the lot and the last reverter claims to have withdrawn because they do not have the sources/interest to find such. The entire issue is one of sourcing and if anyone reverts again then they'll definitely be in clear breach of WP:BLP due to the comments on the talk page. My suspicion is that long term semi-pp might become necessary, though. - Sitush (talk) 22:26, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've changed it to 1 week semi, and we can see what happens after that -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 02:59, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Ta. I think that there will be real sourcing problems with this article, at least using the "Billava" name. I'll try to find something using the alternate names but if nothing turns up there then it will be reliant on offline stuff and that will mean asking for copies of things because I'm afraid that AGF simply does not work well when it comes to application of sources in this subject area. I hope that I am wrong! - Sitush (talk) 06:57, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Clarification

I'm still rather new to the whole Wikipedia editing show, which might explain some of my ignorance. I added a speedy deletion template to GNOME Control Center which currently redirects to Gnome, however there is nothing on the GNOME page that refers to the GNOME Control Center nor did the original page ever feature any text. There is no reason for the redirect since a page didn't even exist there in the first place and it isn't a misspelling of GNOME or an easy way to write it. Do you know which template would be appropriate to use to apply for deletion or how I could go about that? I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to be asking such a question. --JayDez (talk) 22:52, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Reading through all the deletion templates again I've come to the conclusion that R3 best represents my point of view on the page and so have added that template to the page. Let me know what you think. --JayDez (talk) 23:01, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi - yes, if it's a implausible or unlikely search name, R3 is the right criterion -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks. Sorry about the confusion at first. --JayDez (talk) 04:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Sock

I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Viva_Israel is a sock of Down with Arab occupiers and Sean-goyland. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 05:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

To SPI is the direction to go. I'm not familiar with this case, but Twinkle makes it easy (go to sock's userpage, go to ARV, then select the Sockpuppet option).Jasper Deng (talk) 05:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Possibly, but the edits aren't really the same, and I don't think there's enough for WP:SPI. But the current situation does need an eye kept on it, so I'll ask for some watchers at WP:AN/I before I finish -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 05:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on One Great Night On Earth

A whole little edit scuffle erupted and was remedied while I wasn't looking. Thank you for your vigilance. K8 fan (talk) 07:19, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy to help -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Heading

Hai Sir, Mr.Shivdeep Lande one of imporatant Police officer.Thats why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivdeep_lande i created..But some one deleted...Nearly 2000 girls rescued from ragging and molesters in Bihar because of Mr.Shivdeep lande.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahamed5zal (talk • contribs) 12:24, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. There was not sufficient claim of importance or reliable sources to keep the article - just being an "important" police officer is usually not sufficient. Please have a look at WP:N to learn about the required notability, and WP:RS for the kind of reliable sources we require -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:30, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...

You got nowt better to do than work on Wikipedia on Boxin' Day? I have an excuse. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, sitting up in bed with a laptop, still feeling a bit fragile from a few beers - it kinda makes me feel almost like I'm not just wasting the day ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:09, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Committed Identity?

I need you to see if my committed identity is in the correct format. --Phenomer TALK CONTRIBUTIONS 17:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. It looks like you have shown the encrypted version fine, but I can't check it has been encrypted correctly. If you are sure it is the correct encryption using SHA-512, then all should be well - but if you want to send me the plain text version (using the email facility - obviously don't publish it anywhere), I'll be happy to check it for you (and I will, of course, keep it confidential) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Will do, Boing! said Zebedee! --Phenomer TALK CONTRIBUTIONS 18:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Sitush (talk) 21:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

RE: Justamanhere

Just wondering given the fact they self IDed as editing under 69.171.160.187 (see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Help requested with AFD - BLP concerns, wikilawyering, article ownership, and many other fine features and the related AfD), sohuld the IP be blocked for a period as well?

- J Greb (talk) 17:19, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

It looks like it may well be dynamic, and there hasn't been anything from it since the AfD. So I think there's probably no need to block it now - but I'll keep an eye on it, and if it's used in a similar manner we can block it then -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:26, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. - J Greb (talk) 17:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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	Nadolig llawen and best wishes for 2012!
	All the best for the New Year. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:23, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and the same to you -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:26, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Surprised to see you have made no contributions to this article ?! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

:-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:41, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Helpful Links

Hey Boing!,

I just wanted to touch base and let you know I stole your section for links to policies, etc from your userpage. I'm always scrambling around looking for things at times (and ended up bookmarking most of those links) but the way you have it organized is incredibly useful. I was hoping to get your permission to copy paste what you put on your page (and then add/subtract to my liking). My page: User:Slazenger#Helpful_Links.2FInfo

Thank you. :] --Slazenger (Contact Me) 21:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Sure, please feel free to take anything you find useful -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:29, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. Happy Holidays! --Slazenger (Contact Me) 21:41, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Abusefilter

Do keep an eye on it, I just don't want to post... Prodego ^talk 02:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Understood - beans and all that -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 02:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Small review needed

Hi,

Can you please let me know if below paragraphs can be considered valid ? I'm not going to add it anywhere, just want you to go through it and just help me know.

The staunch adherence to the Hindu faith among Nairs has resulted in a number of Nair – Muslim clashes, mostly in the Malabar region. Most notable among them are the Captivity of Nairs at Seringapatam,^[1]

The defeat of the Nairs in Seringapatam resulted in the destruction of Hinduism in Southern Mysore region. However the Nairs of Travancore, with the help of the British were able to defeat the Muslim forces in 1792 at the Third Anglo-Mysore War.^[2]

Tipu Sultan had lost his sword in a war with the Nairs of Travancore during the Battle of the Nedumkotta, in which he was defeated.^[3] The Nair army under the leadership of Nair Dewan of Travancore Lord Raja Kesavadas again defeated the Mysore army near Aluva. The Maharaja, Dharma Raja, gifted the famous sword to the Nawab of Arcot, from where the sword went to London. The sword was on display at the Wallace Collection, No. 1 Manchester Square, London. At an auction in London in 2004, the industrialist-politician Vijay Mallya purchased the sword of Tipu Sultan and some other historical artifacts, and brought them back to India for public display after nearly two centuries.^[4]

Greetings, Vineet Nayar

Hi. I'm afraid I can't really help with content reviews, sorry. If it is intended for an article, you would need to ask for review on that article's Talk page. And if it's not intended for a specific article, then it would be pretty much impossible to review anyway, as any review would need to be able to consider its intended location -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know

Just to let you know, this IP who was caught on an edit filter, is an IP who has been range blocked, see here Pass a Method talk 16:49, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

There appears to be no mention of that range at , and the address is currently not blocked - neither range blocked nor otherwise -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback here Pass a Method talk 18:36, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the link - it's late where I am now, but I'll be happy to talk about it tomorrow some time -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 December 2011

Disruptive edits

Just to put the ball in your court, tt has been brought to my attention by Donner60 that Searcher 1990 (talk | contribs) is continuing to edit in the same fashion as previous to their blocking, only they are not logging in and editing through IP address 84.193.82.180 (talk | contribs). Bullmoosebell (talk) 05:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and sorry I haven't had time to examine it yet - I'll have a look as soon as I can -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:03, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi again, and sorry I haven't had time to look at this. Unfortunately, I'm extremely busy in real life at the moment and don't really have any time for Wikipedia right now - so if this continues to be a problem, I can only suggest you ask someone else for help or post at an appropriate noticeboard -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:12, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Translation request

bent bits of wood? I'm not getting the reference. (That's totally unimportant of course, I'm just curious). Nobody Ent (Gerardw) 01:01, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Boomerangs ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, now I feel really stupid. Do'h. Well, maybe not. A boomerang is a fair amount of wood ... bits made think of like wood shavings from an axe. Thanks. Nobody Ent (Gerardw) 01:09, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Billava update

Hm. I did think that it would be difficult to source but I am reasonable happy with how things are turning out at Billava. It seems to be yet another example of sources being available but people preferring to write what they think rather than what is verifiable. However, as per my talk page, some people are not happy & prefer their home-spun version. Qwryxian appears to be keeping an eye on things but the test comes in a couple of days' time! - Sitush (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, the event that springs to my mind happened yesterday ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I need a cartoon of a duck for my talk page, complete with water running off it. - Sitush (talk) 21:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

:-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Intothefire

I am having some problems with User:Intothefire at Jatt Sikh regarding BLP vios, which is something that, IIRC, the user has done before. The last of my reverts is not a BLP issue but the ones prior to it were. Thoughts? - Sitush (talk) 15:31, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll have a look at what's been going on -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:44, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you but they have just reinserted all the same crap again, still unsourced in both Jatt Sikh and the various target articles. - Sitush (talk) 14:08, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I've reverted and warned, and I'll block him if he does it again -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:16, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok. I am struggling to recall the last worthwhile contribution from him but there must be at least one given the number of edits he has made. The Papadu rewrite is coming on, btw, but it is going to be very reliant on just two sources - I keep digging around for extra info pretty much after every block of edits, but little is turning up & most of that which does is either poor quality or snippet view. - Sitush (talk) 14:33, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Only two sources, eh? That's two more than most people seem to come up with round these parts ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Article that borders on being a hoax

I've left a note at Talk:Sardar Sarvayi Papanna Goud. While I could move that article to a more appropriate title (there are a few decent sources for "Papadu" as the correct name and an article of that title already exists), I feel that leaving the redirect there will perpetuate some of the caste-driven nonsense. Given that there are a very small number of links to this thing, could it not be deleted & I'll rewrite it from scratch + ensure that any valid links are reinstated? - Sitush (talk) 22:33, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I can move it without a redirect, if that would do the trick, and then fix any Wikilinks - might be better that way, to preserve the history -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

What ever you think is best. The entire content is going to be deleted, every word of it. There has been some really serious pov pushing going on by the Goud community, although most of it seems to relate to 12 months and more ago. I've been working on List of Gouds for a few days and the damn thing is now completely empty - that's how bad it is. - Sitush (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, I suggest you rewrite it, and then I can move it over the existing redirect (or to whatever title is appropriate), and not leave a redirect behind -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:43, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

fine. I've put a request in at WP:RX for the seminal article to which all the other reliable sources refer, but I can start a rewrite without that. - Sitush (talk) 22:45, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

BTW, an indication of how bad it was is that people have been appending "Goud" to the names of people who have articles, eg: John Smith becomes John Smith Goud. This is despite having no verification that John Smith is/was a Goud & despite that not actually being their name! - Sitush (talk) 22:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, no, that doesn't sound good -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I think that the article can be moved to Papadu now. There is more to come when the article turns up, but what we now have already far exceeds the earlier content. Unless you think otherwise, of course. - Sitush (talk) 08:42, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

(ec) That's done. There were no links from articles to it - they all went to the Papadu redirect. But there are three redirects, Sardar papanna, Sardar Sarvai Papanna, and Sardar Sarvay Papanna, and I'm not sure what to do with them - I've redirected them to Papadu for now. None are used in articles, and they get very few hits - up to around 10 or 11 hits per month on Sardar papanna, and 2 or 3 per month on the other two. I suspect that's because there's a Telugu film called "Sardar Papanna", though I can't find any real description of it other than it's a film about Sardar Papanna, and can't be sure it's about the same person. I think we probably either need to get rid of them, or make some mention of the name "Sardar Papanna" in the article. If there is any source anywhere that suggests he's popularly known as "Sardar Papanna", maybe we could mention that? Or if there's anything about the film to indicate it's about Papadu, perhaps a mention of that could be included? What do you think? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much. - Sitush (talk) 14:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: Papanna - that was where I began searching a few days ago. I could only find some snippet stuff at GBooks, eg: this appears to call him Sarvayi Papanna (NOT with "Goud" on the end!) and this calls him Siriyala Papanna. To be honest, the number of transliterations is probably considerable but these two books are the only mentions that I could find at GBooks that use other than Papadu ... and there are dozens using that version, again mostly in snippet view. "Sardar" is a title for a military leader, btw. - Sitush (talk) 14:45, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

That makes it sound like the Papanna redirects are reasonable, but I think there would need to be some mention of that name in the article too (and yes, I agree there's no apparent justification for "Goud"). Maybe adding (or Papanna) would be enough? And/or what do you think about adding a brief "Popular culture" section and a mention of the film? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:54, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Added the alt. name of "Papanna". I have to beef up the article re: the social bandit/Indian Robin Hood side of things, so I'll see what I can find out about the film. My suspicion is that a folk-lore hero such as this probably has numerous mentions in popular culture - as per Hood - and so there might need to be a cut-off somewhere. I wonder if he had a "Little Yogesh" standing by his side? <g> As far as I am concerned, the two redirects we have been talking about are mis-titled. Neither should have the "Sardar" bit. - Sitush (talk) 15:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks. Technically you're probably right about the redirects, but if that's what people actually search for then I think it's reasonable to keep them. Maybe adding two without the "Sardar" might help, and perhaps even one for just "Papanna" - I'm happy to do that later. As for popular culture, yes, I expect there's a lot of stuff out there about his battles with the evil Sheriff Aurangzeb - I'd suggest a cut-off at major productions, like the film or any major TV series etc, but I do think there should be a mention of the film at least -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, it would be good if I can clear the first hurdle that you referred to, ie: that the film relates to the article subject. This is not a good start - "Super Star Krishna said that this film has come very nicely and this is the first film to portray the Nizam's Era." I know that the quality of Indian movie sources is almost universally dreadful but either the movie is not about Papadu, the lead actor does not know his history or the source has screwed it up. The Nizams did not begin their rule until a few years after the death of all the main characters in Papadu, including Bahadur I and his successor. As is normal in the Indian media, basically the same story, with the same problem, appears elsewhere. I might be in for a long haul here, in which case I will palm it off to WT:INB and see what results. If that comes good, and bearing in mind that we only have two snippet view printed sources possibly using the alternate Papanna name for the guy, then I'll create the other redirects.

NB: the film hit DVD inside a year & forum chat seems to suggest that it was a flop from day one, despite the usual hype. It is not at IMDb but I have no idea whether or not that is normal for Telugu films. - Sitush (talk) 15:47, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

WT:INB sounds worthwhile. I suspect it is about the same guy, even if it is no more historically accurate than Erroll Flynn's lincoln green escapade, but some evidence would indeed be nice ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because <This is the biography of an young engineer who wants to be a great personality in world. So if you permit him to be in this article which may encourage him to achieve more. So please let me to proceed and i will assure you that it will not let yu any problems. Believe me please. thank you >.— Abdul Hai Sahib (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdul Hai Sahib (talk • contribs) 10:26, 31 December 2011‎

Assuming you are referring to Abdul Hai Sahib, being a "young engineer who wants to be a great personality in world" is not sufficient notability for a Wikipedia article - see WP:N for general notability requirements, and WP:BIO for the notability required of a person. If you keep recreating the article, you are likely to be blocked from editing -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. Yeah.. now i undersand the rules of wikipedia. Let me know more about wikipedia. But I challenginng you that one day i also will be placed in this same wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdul Hai Sahib (talk • contribs) 10:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I wish you success, and I hope you do indeed achieve the notability required to one day have a Wikipedia article -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:43, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you... Happy New year :-) Abdul Hai Sahib (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdul Hai Sahib (talk • contribs) 10:46, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Article Deletion!!!!

my account name is Dnq1980

my page VABookings.com was just deleted by you. Please let me know what needs to be done to have the article back to being accessable. I can remove the things that you object upon, that is not the issue.

Please let me know at your earliest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnq1980 (talk • contribs) 11:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

The article was deleted because it offered no indication of the importance of the company - and Wikipedia is not a business directory. To understand the notability required for a company to have its own Wikipedia article, please have a read of WP:NCORP, and please see WP:RS for the kind of sourcing that is needed -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:07, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

This is an archive of past discussions with User:Boing! said Zebedee. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.