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Hello, Bzuk. I'm a bit confused about your response to the fair-use problem with File:Screen shot Hero.png. If the image commentary you've added to Hero is so inconsequential that you insist on burying it in a footnote, then why do you feel it necessary to include the non-free image in the first place? If the production or use of the crash scene is particularly significant, then it deserves to be discussed in the main text of the article. If not, then there is no encyclopedic reason to use the image. (See Wikipedia:Non-free content#Meeting the contextual significance criterion, and in particular the part referencing WP:DUE and WP:BALASPS. We don't include images, non-free or otherwise, for purely decorative purposes, and simply adding a token commentary to such an image doesn't bypass the "significance of understanding" criterion for fair use.) —Psychonaut (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

The reasoning behind the use of a note to the reader was to give further information as a question about the use of the scene was made. The image is not there for prettiness, but shows a key scene and how it was created, using a set that was rigged for explosion. That's simply the way I wanted to provide the information to the reader. The note is attached to the caption and is fully referenced. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response (but please let's keep the conversation in one place). I understand and accept that the note is adequately referenced. I'm just saying that it seems strange to put the commentary in a footnote, suggesting it is relatively unimportant, when the use of the non-free film still is predicated on it being (a) an important part of the movie, and (b) necessary to understand the accompanying commentary. Do you see what I mean? —Psychonaut (talk) 21:29, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I have used the option of a note to provide an expanded commentary which still is useful to the reader to understand the complexities of staging a dramatic scene. The scene is one that was documented in a number of reference sources dealing with aviation films. The use of a full-scale Boeing 727 in an era when CGI dominates lends credence to the choices made by the filmmakers to create a realistic scenario. Both the content in the "production" section and the photograph and its caption viewed together give a more fulsome description. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:39, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Unless the reader/viewer sees the fireball that was involved, the actual consequences of the lead character entering a stricken airliner is not evident. The descriptor of how the scene was shot gives a greater appreciation of the sequence. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:50, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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I have a rewrite of the article on the Foster mounting nearing completion in my sandbox - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Soundofmusicals/sandbox which may or may not be of interest. In common with other articles I have worked on from (more or less) scratch like this I am basically writing the text first and will be adding the verifiability/links etc. later - appreciate if you could add any comments you might have, including any possible outright errors you might notice, either to my talk page or the one to my sandbox. Most welcome help of all would be usable references, anything you think I should read etc.

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Say Bzuk, shouldn't you delete the 'Reception' stuff on the Sabre Jet (film) article that's POV? Seems not just stupid but wrong to print criticism based on trendy 21st Century comments and attitudes rather than using the books to provide details on the actual filming of the movie.Foofbun (talk) 08:11, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Bzuk, much oblige on your comment. Thank you. Captain Swagger, I used to always confuse with the talkie Captain Applejack. Can't seem to imagine John Halliday as a Spanish type pirate. File: Captain Swagger poster.jpg

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Greetings and felicitations. You seem to be more engaged with the Wikipedia community than I, so I am coming to you for advice, hoping that you can at least point me in the right direction(s).

Recently I have had two edits of mine reverted by two separate users who may not be acting in good faith, or at least in the best interests of Wikipedia. I also have had run-ins over the years with a significant contributor to this encyclopedia, but let's deal with the others first.

Most recently, user 32.218.43.144‎ reverted an edit as described here, and then blanked their Talk page. Here are the user's contributions. Since the edit is back to the way I wanted it (something I just discovered) there is nothing really to be done, but I'm left wondering how in the future I should handle this sort of case, especially given the lack of response and the deprecating "too lazy" comment.

The second case regards user Drnarendrajadhav, who reverted an edit as described here. The article in question already has a Autobiography cleanup template and really could use a Copy edit cleanup template.

The last case concerns user Beyond My Ken, with whom I see you are familiar and who in my experience over several years is one of the two main editors of New York City articles as well as various others, so I tend to run into him/her every so often. In my view BMK often reverts edits, and can be a bit insulting when doing so. S/he also seems to often disregard the MOS and follows his/her own view of how a proper article should be. E.g., that "Further reading" sections should not be stand alones, but what I call "non-sections" with the title in bold, and that refimprove templates belong in the "References" section (e.g., 1, 2), rather than at the top of the article as per MOS:ORDER. If I knew BMK's philosophy on what constitutes a proper article, I could work with/around that, but s/he has not posted it.

I also find the lack of edit summaries troubling, and we disagree on the placement of images. (I prefer that images be in, not above, the sections to which they are relevant, and that in wide browser windows (mine are 1600 pixels) images not intrude into the appendices, neither of which seem to bother BMK in the least, something that has apparently caused him/her to revert several of my edits.)

In the (distant) past when I tried to discuss BMK's reversions of my edits (e.g., here and especially here, which also speaks to BMK's attitude towards the MOS) s/he has not been very...helpful. Which seems odd given the cordiality with which I see BMK treating other users on his/her talk page.

Do you have any suggestions, other than what I have been doing, which is avoiding editing any articles to which BMK may be paying attention, or making only very non-controversal edits?

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Have a great day!Foofbun (talk) 07:02, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

I am having a few problems with an enthusiastic but at times very dogmatic editorial colleague on the Fokker Scourge article. If fact, things have reached a pass where some second opinions might be useful. The specific question he is hammering at the moment is that we shouldn't ever say "No. 1 Squadron RAF" (in spite of that being the usual way of putting it) but "1 Squadron" (on the grounds that the "No." is redundant). I wouldn't object to an occasional omission of the "No.", if only for elegant variation, but he has been going right through the article wiping every instance and claiming that "Wikipedia is not a source" (which is true enough, but nothing to do with the case). The gentleman concerned has been making dozens of other (mostly very pettifogging) changes to the article - a few have been genuine improvements, and most at least acceptable alternatives but some of which have made clear text obscure, even meaningless. I have let everything he has done that is at all acceptable stand, but the really bad ones I've had to change - usually with a new version rather than a provocative revert.

I was wondering, if you have a moment, if you'd like to have a little look at the Fokker Scourge talk page (go straight to the bottom if you like) and tell me, either here, on my talk page, or even on the talk page of the article if you want to actually buy into the discussion, if I'm being totally unreasonable and should just give up. This is (for a WWI aviation article) quite a high traffic one - and I'd like to leave it in reasonable shape. At least readable, and plain in meaning (two things I value far above brevity for its own sake). --Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:01, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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I have a passion for flying, but the biggest thing I ever flew was a Cessna 172 ! My father (d 2016 at 96) was an aeronautics and avionics scientist. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:20, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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	A Shaker Christmas wish
	Give good gifts, one to another Peace, joy and comfort gladly bestow Harbor no ill 'gainst sister or brother Smooth life's journey as you onward go. Broad as the sunshine, free as the showers. So shed an influence blessing to prove; Give for the noblest of efforts your pow'rs; Blest and be blest, is the law of love.

Wishing you all the best for 2018 and beyond! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 22:41, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Christmas to you and yours!Foofbun (talk) 23:17, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I moved a post you placed in TomStar81's Archives onto his main talk - hope that's alright. Seemed to be in the wrong place. Shearonink (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Bill, thank you, and all the best to you for Christmas and the New Year. SarahSV ^(talk) 02:43, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Be happily inside for the holiday season, like we are here (well into June ;p ) Cheers! TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 02:48, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the holiday message! Much appreciated. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:08, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Wishing you a Merry Christmas! --AntanO 06:29, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones too. Kosack (talk) 07:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

returning your holiday greetings, thank you, and here's to having a snow day or two, maybe! --Lockley (talk) 08:09, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the greatings and lovely scene of the pine tree batik with snow in the background. A wonderful holiday image of nature in winter. Nay you enjoy this season with lots of good times with family and friends! Jllm06 (talk) 15:02, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

I liked the simplicity of that template, so I recycled it! Have a cheerful and stress-free time Bzuk, to you and yours. Your colleague, Simon Irondome (talk) 15:13, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

ϢereSpielChequers is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

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ϢereSpielChequers 15:59, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, and Season's Greetings to You and Yours too

I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas and a prosperous Happy New 2017, from a little bit warmer Italy Chesipiero (talk) 18:33, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Bzuk: From high in the Canadian Arctic I hope you enjoy the holiday season, the Winter or Summer Solstice, Quviahugvik, Eid, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hannukah or even the Saturnalia, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 19:09, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hello there! Shearonink (talk) wishes you & yours the the very best of the season!

Whether you celebrate Christmas, Diwali, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa,

Festivus (for the rest of us!) or even the Saturnalia,

here's to

hoping your holiday time is wonderful and that

the New Year will be an improvement upon the old.

CHEERS!

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Shearonink (talk) 19:25, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Bzuk, widh for you and loved ones Happy and Safe Holidays, and a great Year 2018. Regards, DPdH (talk) 20:56, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

...Peace, hope & joy to you and yours! Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the season's greetings! All the best to you and yours for a great holiday period from the sunny South Pacific! Grutness...wha? 00:14, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Bzuk: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers,  gongshow  talk  00:19, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours!

Bill, Merry Christmas to u and ur family. A lot of changes here, both aviation and physical, cut way back on Wiki. Hope u get back soon, I miss our major editing. Happy New Year! Lance ~~ LanceBarber (talk) 01:14, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Smallbones_(smalltalk) 04:04, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your holiday greeting, old friend. I have settled into occasional new articles - usually transportation related - and refining old material. And plugging along on the never-ending gift of Military aircraft accidents... Mark Sublette

...to you and yours, from the Great White North! And many happy returns to you and yours - from the expansive and warm-to-hot South. I hope you are enjoying yourself. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 04:54, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to You and (aviation) family... sorry I couldnt answer before!! --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 11:34, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Dear colleague are how are You doing? Sorry to disturb You I would need Your help! REcently I added new contributs to the Macchi C.202 page some new lines. I probably did some mistake in using the references as now the page show something strange... COuld You give a look and advice to me how to fix it please? --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 08:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Best REgards!!

Hello Bzuk: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, —MelbourneStar☆^talk 07:09, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for your message. Wishing you a mellifluous Yuletide from sunny Perth where I live and from cool London where I've just landed. Bjenks (talk) 08:43, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you too! Thank you :) WhisperToMe (talk) 10:52, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Have a good and restful Christmas Bill; after a busy year like this one, I think we certainly need it! Kyteto (talk) 17:28, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

thanks for the greetings Prof TPMS (talk) 23:58, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your season's greetings from a wet but summery (?) WEllington, New Zealand Hugo999 (talk) 02:45, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

	Warm WikiProjectFilm thoughts for you from the frozen suburbs of New York City. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:55, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

and culturally appropriate messages of good will to your nearest and dearest from the slightly surprisingly sunny East. GraemeLeggett (talk) 10:14, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

As you can see, I haven't logged since before Christmas. But I made it here in time for Boxing Day :^) Season's greetings from the sunny and mild South, Bill. Tiderolls 13:46, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Wishing you and yours all my best in the coming year and much continued Wikipedia..ing.Koplimek (talk) 18:11, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Bill -

Thank you for remembering me this holiday season. This year many Californians found a white Christmas from ash fall. My family has been fortunate to experience nothing more than smoke, although my son was evacuated from his home. His home survived, but his wife's parents lost their home. This photo shows California rising from the ashes, and I hope your new year may hold similar success. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Thewellman (talk) 23:30, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Back at you Bill, thanks! Gwen Gale (talk) 15:40, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Bzuk,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Ceannlann gorm (talk) 23:35, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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