User talk:Clovermoss/Archive 16

Congratulations on the interview with the Globe! I was pleased to see your name in the paper. Cremastra (talk · contribs) 17:00, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! It's very surreal to see several paragraphs about me in a newspaper of record. :) Hey Levivich, still not the prime minister, but this is still pretty cool, right? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:17, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

I have a physical copy of the paper too and I'm wondering how to best preserve it for the years to come. Maybe by laminating or framing it? I welcome ideas from others. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:43, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Laminating is probably cheaper if you don't mind the correspondingly cheaper look. Cremastra (talk · contribs) 15:29, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Very cool! Anyway I think it's a brilliant strategy to let Carney take the bruises of the Trump years so you can position yourself in the next election as the candidate of change. 😁 Btw, I'd matte the paper and then frame it , which shouldn't be that expensive if you buy a standard size picture frame (and you can use the matte to make it fit right). It'll look way better than lamination. Levivich (talk) 16:26, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

@Levivich: It seems like matte is usually something you choose when you print something? Some googling seems to suggest that you can also get a matte finish on already printed paper (which is what I'd need for a physical newspaper). I'm not sure how easy it is to get something like that done compared to lamination. I'm thinking my best bet would be to drive out to the nearest Staples when I can. I'm not too worried about spending some money on a frame, either. I make much more as a seafarer than I ever did at McDonald's. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:38, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on July 11. Please help translate. The bulletin will be back after Wikimania with a special issue on the 19th August.

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Upcoming and current events and conversations
Let's Talk continues

• Wikimania 2025: Register to join virtually the 20th Wikimania taking place from August 6-9. The programme has highlights from across Wikimedia projects and communities including the reveal of who will be this year's Wikimedians of the year.
• Strengthening a neutral point of view: An overview of NPOV policies across Wikipedia projects, shows that 153 Wikipedias out of 342 (45%) don’t have easily accessible guidance on neutrality. The research was conducted to help understand how neutrality is ensured in our projects. and to provide an opportunity for peer learning across project communities. Read the full research and join the conversation.

Annual Goals Progress on Infrastructure
See also newsletters: Apps · Growth · Product Safety and Integrity · Research · Web · Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia · Tech News · Language and Internationalization · other newsletters on MediaWiki.org

• Tech News: See all the 60 community-submitted tasks that were resolved over the last two weeks in Tech News week 29 and 30. For example, the request to add Malayalam fonts in the Wikisource Book Export Tool was resolved and now, the rendering of Malayalam letters in exported Wikisource books are accurate.
• Temporary Accounts: After the rollout of temporary accounts on 18 large and medium-sized Wikipedias, we are monitoring the impact of this change, and preparing for the next deployments. See the full project update.
• Add a link: Administrators can now limit "Add a Link" to newcomers, as opposed to keeping it open to more experienced editors as well. "Add a link" helps newcomers to start editing, so restricting the feature to them enables Administrators to cater the feature to that specific group, which they can do via the Community Configuration feature.

Annual Goals Progress on Volunteer Support
See also blogs: Global Advocacy blog · Global Advocacy Newsletter · Policy blog · WikiLearn News · list of movement events

• Digital Safety: PEN America shares 5 tips for bolstering your safety and privacy online.
• Amicus brief: Our amicus brief in Patterson v. Meta: Defending free speech and the open internet in another Section 230 legal case.
• UK Online Safety Act: Court hearings for the Wikimedia Foundation's challenge to the UK Online Safety Act "Categorisation Regulations" happened on July 22 and 23. A verdict is not expected until August.
• Advocacy sessions: Collaborate for change at these policy advocacy sessions at Wikimania 2025.
• Public-Interest content: Expanding Indonesian Wikipedia with Public-Interest Content through Project Gayatri.
• The Wikipedia Test: Learn how to use the Wikipedia Test, a tool to protect the public interest internet.
• Equity Fund: As it closes, the Equity Fund has announced its final round of grants to six past grantees. It will also be providing four "Connected Grants" to movement organizations who will pair closely with one of the grantees to collaborate together.
• Don't blink: The latest developments from around the world about protecting the Wikimedia model, its people and its values.
• Content Translation: Translators who use the Suggestions feature in the Content Translation tool can now select and receive article suggestions that are customized to geographical locations of their interest using the new "Regions" filter.
• Wikifunctions: Wikifunctions now has a new kind of Types: Wikidata-based enumerations, also known as light-weight enumerations.

Annual Goals Progress on Effectiveness
See also: Progress on the annual plan

• Endowment: Sharing the Wikimedia Endowment’s Form 990 for fiscal year 2023 – 2024. Learn more from the frequently asked questions.

Board and Board committee updates
See Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard · Affiliations Committee Newsletter

• Annual plan: The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees approved the Foundation's annual plan for next year virtually in their quarterly meeting. You can read more about the goals for next year and a summary of the continuous conversations that shaped the plan.
• Board selection: The Elections Committee shared a list of the all eligible candidates. As there are more than 10 eligible candidates, a shortlisting process is currently taking place. Representatives of Wikimedia movement affiliates that are currently compliant with their reporting obligations can participate in the shortlisting process. Learn more about this process and next steps on Meta.

Foundation statements

• WIPO permanent observer: For fifth time, China blocks Wikimedia Foundation as permanent observer to the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO).

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:02, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

I was going to answer your question at Gender-affirming hormone therapy but per notforum it is probably better to do so here. The answer to differing levels of hormones over times depends on the treatment but the short answer is that they don't aim to mimic the monthly periodic levels found in cis women. Some treatments (usually for oestrogen) are taken daily (or even multiple times a day) so therefore will aim for stable levels, some treatments are done weekly or monthly so therefore the levels will change over time.

I think this is similar to menopausal women who often take oestrogen to get a stable level despite that usually changing over time. LunaHasArrived (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

@LunaHasArrived: Well my thinking was that my question had a general encyclopedic purpose of filling a gap in content. If this is explained in reliable medical sources, I think it should probably be in the article itself. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:41, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to make a comment about your relevance to the article, your question was relevant. I thought my answer would be more forum like as it was answering your question based upon my own knowledge + some OR from looking up dosages online to double check (definitely not MEDRS) and therefore would never effect article content. LunaHasArrived (talk) 15:46, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

No worries, I appreciate that you tried to do what you could. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Ketchup chips has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Floating Orb Talk! ^{my edits} 15:37, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Hey! Just wanted to say thanks for your support in User_talk:KylieTastic/Archive_2024#There_is_a_mop_reserved_in_your_name. Although the timing was not right, it changed my mindset to allow the badgers to work this year, so now I have a mop. So thanks again for the encouragement and offer for the assist. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 20:28, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

@KylieTastic: I'm glad you found comfort in my words :) I'm sure you'll do a great job with the mop. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:46, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2025).

Administrator changes

• CoconutOctopus
• Curbon7
• Hinnk
• Jlwoodwa
• Kj cheetham
• KylieTastic
• Ser!
• Smasongarrison
• UndercoverClassicist

• Bbb23
• Beeblebrox
• David Gerard
• Oleg Alexandrov
• Satori Son

CheckUser changes

• Alison
• Bradv
• Joe Roe
• RickinBaltimore
• ST47

Oversight changes

• Bradv
• RickinBaltimore

Guideline and policy news

• Following a request for comment, a new speedy deletion criterion, G15, has been enacted. It applies to pages generated by a large language model (LLM) without human review.
• Following a request for comment, there is a new policy outlining the granting of permissions to view the IP addresses of temporary accounts. Temporary account deployment on the English Wikipedia is currently scheduled for September 2025, and editors can request access to the permission ahead of time. Admins are encouraged to keep an eye on the request page; there will likely be a flood of editors requesting the permission when they realize they can no longer see IP addresses.

Technical news

• Administrators can now restrict the "Add a Link" feature to newcomers. The "Add a Link" Structured Task helps new account holders get started with editing. Administrators can configure this setting in the Community Configuration page.

Arbitration

• The arbitration case Indian military history has been closed.
  • South Asia (WP:CT/SA) is designated a contentious topic. The topic area is specifically defined as All pages related to the region of South Asia (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal), broadly construed, including but not limited to history, politics, ethnicity, and social groups.
  • The contentious topic designations for Sri Lanka (SL) and India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan (IPA) are folded into this new contentious topic.
  • The community-authorized general sanctions regarding South Asian social groups (GS/CASTE) are rescinded and folded into this new contentious topic.
• The arbitration case Article titles and capitalisation 2 has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case closed on 31 July.
• The arbitration case Transgender healthcare and people has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case will close on 11 August.

Miscellaneous

• Wikimania 2025 is happening in Nairobi, Kenya, and online from August 6 to August 9. This year marks 20 years of Wikimania. Interested users can join the online event. Registration for the virtual event is free and will remain open throughout Wikimania. You can register here now.

	Barnstar Menace
	Thanks for all the good work you've done recognizing others through barnstars. You truly deserve your self-proclaimed title of a Barnstar Menace! Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:05, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Barkeep49! "Homemade" barnstars are extra special. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:15, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

Here are the pictures – robertsky (talk) 05:37, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

@Robertsky: thanks! Hopefully we'll be able to pull off something similar when I'm able to attend next year. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:55, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on July 25. Please help translate.

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Group photo of hundreds of Wikimania attendees

Special Wikimania issue This is a special Wikimania issue of the Bulletin. We'll be back to our regular format in the next issue

• Wikimania Nairobi: Catch up on missed sessions of Wikimania 2025 by checking session pages in the program. These links will be replaced by Commons links when the uploads are finished.
• Meet the Wikimedians of the Year 2025: The Wikimedian of the Year awards give us an opportunity to pause, taking a moment to recognize people who make our mission possible. Learn about all of this year's winners.
• Highlights: Daily highlights from Wikimania:
  • Day 1 - Celebrating 20 years of Wikimania,
  • Day 2 - Technology in a changing world,
  • Day 3 - Connecting with communities in Africa,
  • Day 4 - Bringing generations together.
• Product and Tech: Wikimania 2025 sessions about Product and Tech you can watch, with links to the recordings.
• Affiliate Strategy: Wikimania 2025 Brings Affiliate Strategy Recommendations into Focus.
• Twentieth edition of Wikimania: Celebrating humans who make Wikipedia possible.

Annual Goals Progress on Infrastructure
See also newsletters: Wikimedia Apps · Growth · Research · Web · Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia · Tech News · Language and Internationalization · other newsletters on MediaWiki.org

• Tech News: Some of the latest update from Tech News week 31, 32, and 33: The Wikimedia Commons community has decided to block cross-wiki uploads to Wikimedia Commons, for all users without autoconfirmed rights on that wiki, starting on August 16; The WikiEditor toolbar now includes its keyboard shortcuts in the tooltips for its buttons. This will help to improve the discoverability of this feature.
• Collaborative Contributions: Share your comments on Collaborative Contributions. This project aims to create a new way to display the impact of collaborative editing activities (such as edit-a-thons, backlog drives, and WikiProjects) on the wikis.
• PTAC: The Product and Technology Advisory Council published a set of proposed experiments the Wikimedia Foundation can try to improve communication with community. Feedback on the proposals are welcomed until August 22.
• Watchlists and Recent Changes: The Foundation will be focusing on wishes related to Watchlists and Recent Changes pages over the next few months. Please read the latest update, and if you have ideas, please submit a wish on the topic.
• Wikifunctions: The Foundation is working on demonstrating functions that generate sentences and fragments in several languages. This is a considerable step towards creating text for Abstract Wikipedia.

Annual Goals Progress on Volunteer Support
See also blogs: Global Advocacy blog · Global Advocacy Newsletter · Policy blog · WikiLearn News · list of movement events

• Wikimedia Futures Lab: The Wikimedia Futures Lab is a process and convening co-designed by the Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Deutschland that will help us all learn more about global trends and discuss potential movement-wide responses. You can apply now to join the in-person convening hosted on January 30 – February 1, 2026 in Frankfurt, Germany with participants from affiliates, contributors and external experts.
• Don't Blink: The latest developments from around the world about protecting the Wikimedia model, its people and its values.
• Language and Internationalization: Read about language support for new languages and other highlights from the July 2025 edition of the Language and internationalization newsletter.
• Language Community: The next language community meeting will be held on August 29 at 15:00 UTC.
• UK Online Safety Act: The High Court of Justice has dismissed the Wikimedia Foundation's challenge to the UK's Online Safety Act (OSA) Categorisation Regulations. While the decision does not provide the immediate legal protections for Wikipedia that we hoped for, the Court’s ruling emphasized the responsibility of Ofcom and the UK government to ensure Wikipedia is protected as the OSA is implemented.

Board and Board committee updates
See Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard · Affiliations Committee Newsletter

• Affcom News: Read the latest issue of AffCom News (April-June 2025), the newsletter that distributes relevant news and events about the work of Wikimedia's Affiliations Committee.

Other Movement curated newsletters & news
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MediaWiki message delivery 19:39, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Clovermoss. This message concerns the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Three cueing".

Drafts that go unedited for six months are eligible for deletion, in accordance with our draftspace policy, and this one has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission, and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! DreamRimmer bot II (talk) 10:25, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:31, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi Clovermoss! As much as I love your edits, I'm alright if you take a break from Wikipedia, seeing as people are busy with IRL things. I remember taking a Wikibreak between December 2024 and June 2025. I was initially only going to take a Wikibreak because of my 4 week holiday (not planned by me), but I suddenly delayed it to an indefinite date. I never thought I would return to editing on June 2025, with the intention of improving an article to FA. JuniperChill (talk) 21:55, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

Let's just say this month has been its own special kind of hell, particularly the past week and a half. I'll get through it like I always do but I can't really give a timeline on when I'll be better because I don't know myself. I do hope to pop by every once and awhile in the meantime. I appreciate the well wishes. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:51, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Wishing you strength to endure and come out on top, and I hope that things will be better than ever for you when the obstacles are overcome.—Alalch E. 22:29, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Well, some things don't exactly get better. Bringing people back from the dead isn't a part of my skillset, unfortunately. And I was already completely overwhelmed before I was told that. As I was saying, life has been hell lately. But hopefully time will help. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:40, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Oh no :( I don't know what to say other than I hope it gets better for you. (t · c) buidhe 02:43, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Quick facts Four years! ...

Precious

Four years!

Close

I just came by for the annual greeting, and meet life like hell, and wish you strength. Funeral of a friend tomorrow, will sing in the choir that he was part of longer than I was, and he said he wanted us dressed in colours, not in black. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

	The Civility Barnstar
	Hi Hannah! Thanks for sharing kindness around the encyclopedia! BTW, I live in Canada too! Alberta, not Ontario but whatever. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 17:50, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

• (pagestalker) Hi Rafael. I noticed you said you're from Alberta so I wanted to inform you (in case you didn't know) that WikiConference North America 2026 will be in Edmonton! Point of contact: Wikimedia Canada's Executive Director, Louis Germain (WMCA). --Rosiestep (talk) 23:42, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

  @Rosiestep Edmonton is the city I live in! Weird place to do it because the weather here is strange (freezing cold in the winter and rains all day or is burning hot in summer) but thank you for the information. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 00:39, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on August 16. Please help translate.

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Upcoming and current events and conversations
Let's Talk continues

• Wikimedia Futures Lab: Apply before Sep 4 to join The Wikimedia Futures Lab, the in-person convening hosted on January 30 – February 1, 2026 in Frankfurt, Germany with participants from affiliates, contributors and external experts, to learn more about global trends and discuss potential movement-wide responses.
• Wikimania 2026: The theme and date for Wikimania 2026 have been decided: Liberté, Équité, Fiabilité (Freedom, Equity, Reliability). This edition will take place in Paris, from July 21 to July 25, 2026.

Annual Goals Progress on Infrastructure
See also newsletters: Wikimedia Apps · Growth · Research · Web · Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia · Tech News · Language and Internationalization · other newsletters on MediaWiki.org

• Tech News: Some of the latest updates from Tech News week 34 and 35: An A/B test comparing two versions of the desktop donate link launched on testwiki and English Wikipedia for 0.1% of logged out users on the desktop site. The experiment will run for three weeks, ending on 12 September; Administrators can now access the Special:BlockedExternalDomains page from the Special:CommunityConfiguration list page. This makes it easier to find.
• Spread Wikilove, thank comments: A new improvement was added to the "Discussion tools" Beta feature; it is now possible to thank a user for their comment. This new feature is released for a 3-months long test.
• Community Wishlist: Template authors can now use additional CSS properties, since the CSS sanitizer used by TemplateStyles was updated. These improvements are a Community Wishlist wish.
• Wikipedia Mobile Apps: The Android app team has launched a new experiment in Italy that lets logged-out readers of Italian and English Wikipedia set their own donation reminders based on how often they read. This new approach responds to feedback from donors who say their motivation to give is tied to their reading habits. Instead of one-size-fits-all banners, readers can now choose reminders that fit their own usage, all while keeping their privacy intact.

Annual Goals Progress on Volunteer Support
See also blogs: Global Advocacy blog · Global Advocacy Newsletter · Policy blog · WikiLearn News · list of movement events

• Wikipedia 25: To celebrate Wikipedia’s 25th birthday, the Wikimedia Foundation is adding several resources to the Wikipedia 25 Meta-Wiki hub.
• The Wikipedia Library: Collections from Dow Jones & Company, including the The Wall Street Journal, are now available to editors who are eligible for The Wikipedia Library.
• Don't Blink: The latest developments from around the world about protecting the Wikimedia model, its people and its values.

Board and Board committee updates
See Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard · Affiliations Committee Newsletter

• Affiliate recognition: The recognition of new User Groups, Chapters, and Thematic Organizations is paused until March 31, 2026.
• Board of Trustees selection: The voting period for the upcoming Board selection process will now open on October 8 and close October 23.
• New Board member: Wikimedia Foundation welcomes incoming Board Trustee Mayree Clark.

Other Movement curated newsletters & news
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MediaWiki message delivery 18:13, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello! It looks like you’ve shown interest in WikiClub Toronto meetups in the past. Our next meetup is scheduled for September 21, 2025, in Downtown Toronto. You can find more information here: Wikipedia:Meetup/Toronto/2025 Sept 21. Have a great day! SophieWMCA (talk) 18:49, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

and still can't even understand basic awareness. These articles /& terrorism done to the native tribes, reflects who's actually Barbarac and savage. I'd be too ashamed/ embarrassed to ever post anything this foul and uncivilized. shameful history Europeans have . 2603:6011:1500:E70F:3CC6:F85A:E5D3:97A5 (talk) 11:12, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi anonymous editor. I'm assuming you're referencing the edit I made here? It is a shame no one caught it before I did. I've occasionally removed blatantly racist stuff like that before. I've also tried to improve coverage of indigenous-related topics where I can. I wouldn't say what I removed is particularly common across the site, the larger problem is just the lack of coverage. For example, it's hard to write about Draft:Prince Albert School Study because it doesn't meet our notability guidelines yet. I'll probably end up merging that content to the relevant billionaire. The articles for disc number and birth alert could be much longer than they are. I'm saying all this because I understand where your anger comes from. If you want to do something about it, it's important to not view Wikipedia as a battleground and to be civil. But Wikipedia is a place where you can summarize all published reliable sources, not just eurocentric ones. We try to take our neutral point of view policy seriously. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:06, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

	The Special Barnstar
	This is for your contribution to Wikipedia. (I think you should be an admin!) Theeverywhereperson (talk here) 10:13, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

@Theeverywhereperson: I'm not sure what I did to impress you but you're welcome. By the way, I'm already an admin. You can read my RfA here if you wish. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:33, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

I didn't notice. I would also like to inform you that as mentioned on WP:SIGTUT you should not be using emojis in your signature. It is my request for you to change it. Theeverywhereperson (talk here) 17:26, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

Which part of SIGTUT do you understand as saying that? jlwoodwa (talk) 18:05, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

Don'ts. However, it more broadly mentions pictures, but its the same thing. Theeverywhereperson (talk here) 18:18, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

@Theeverywhereperson: It mentions images. The advice is meant to address people adding literal files to their signature because there are specific reasons that is bad (e.g. it increases page size, files can be overwritten, etc). Emojis and unicode symbols do not have the same issues. Hopefully that helps lessen your confusion. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:05, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

Boneless Pizza! and Panini! also uses emojis in signatures. I think its images that are forbidden, not emojis. JuniperChill (talk) 18:24, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

sigh.. Everyone's getting involved. I admit I was wrong. Theeverywhereperson (talk here) 18:28, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

Everyone...Everywhere...All at Once! Sounds like a Movie! Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 19:56, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2025).

Administrator changes

Euryalus

• Admrboltz
• FloNight
• Floquenbeam
• Ganeshk
• JesseW
• Night Gyr
• Nixdorf

Interface administrator changes

Ragesoss

CheckUser changes

AmandaNP

SQL

Oversight changes

AmandaNP

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC is open on whether use of emojis with no encyclopedic value in mainspace and draftspace (e.g., at the start of paragraphs or in place of bullet points) should be added as a criterion under G15.

Technical news

• Administrators can now access the Special:BlockedExternalDomains page from the Special:CommunityConfiguration list page. This makes it easier to find. T393240

Arbitration

• The arbitration case Article titles and capitalisation 2 has been closed.
• An RfC is in progress to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the Arbitration Committee election and resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.

Administrator Elections | RFC phase

The RFC phase of the July 2025 administrator elections has started. There are 10 RFCs for consideration. You can participate in the RFC phase at Wikipedia:Administrator elections/July 2025/RFCs.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:43, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi Clovermoss, when you get a chance this edit request needs attention as I believe it's causing harm to the victim's family, who has publicly asked that these killing videos stop being shared by internet users.

On WP:BLP grounds these should be removed immediately, and only added in with an affirmative consensus. Symphony Regalia (talk) 10:21, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Hey, Clovermoss. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 10:22, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Hard to believe it's been 7 years already. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:03, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day! Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 19:52, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on August 29. Please help translate.

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Upcoming and current events and conversations
Let's Talk continues

• Wikimania 2026: The scholarship application for Wikimania 2026 is open. Apply now by October 31.
• Wikipedia 25: Help us find inspiring stories to share during birthday celebrations by September 23.
• Wikimedia Research Showcase: "Readers and Readership Research" will be the featured theme for the next research showcase taking place on September 24 at 16:30 UTC.
• Update to banner and logo policies: Feedback is requested on proposed policy and documentation updates regarding the use of banners and logos for advocacy purposes.
• GLAM Wiki 2025: The registration for GLAM Wiki Conference is open until September 30.

Annual Goals Progress on Infrastructure
See also newsletters: Wikimedia Apps · Growth · Product Safety and Integrity · Readers · Research · Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia · Tech News · Language and Internationalization · other newsletters on MediaWiki.org

• Better bot detection: How we are improving bot detection and replacing our CAPTCHA.
• Temporary Accounts: Temporary accounts are now deployed to almost all wikis except the last 11.
• User Info: This new feature displays data related to a user account when you tap or click on the "user avatar" icon button next to a username. It's meant to be useful for different users with extended rights as well as newcomers.
• Newsletter highlights: The latest Readers Newsletter is now available. It includes considerations about Wikipedia's declining pageviews in the recent years, how the Foundation and communities may work on addressing this together, and the formation of two new teams — Reader Growth and Reader Experience.
• Activity Tab Experiment: The Foundation launched an experiment testing a new Activity tab in the Wikipedia Android app to our beta testers. Instead of only showing editing activity, this tab also surfaces insights about reading and donation behavior.
• Search Suggestions: To make it easier for users to find articles, logged-out users on both desktop and mobile will see suggestions of articles for further reading on English Wikipedia beginning the week of September 22. All non-English wikis received this update in June and July.
• Paste Check: The Foundation is working on a new check: Paste check. This check informs newcomers who paste text into Wikipedia that the content might not be accepted to ensure it is aligned with the Movement's values. This check will soon be tested at a few wikis.
• CampaignEvents extension: The CampaignEvents extension has been enabled for all Wikisources. The extension makes it easier to organize and participate in collaborative activities, like edit-a-thons and WikiProjects, on the wikis. To request the extension for your wiki, visit the information page.
• Structured Task: The Add a Link Structured Task has been fully released at English Wikipedia. This release is an important step in making editing more accessible for new contributors, especially on mobile.
• Tech News: Read more updates from Tech News week 36 and 37.
• Wikifunctions: Wikifunctions is now available on 65 Wiktionaries and has a new capability to copy function calls from one Wikipedia to another.
• Multilingual Contributors: The Language and Product Localisation team is launching a CentralNotice campaign to attract multilingual contributors to specific Wikipedias. The campaign will feature regionally targeted banners to reach potential native speakers.

Annual Goals Progress on Volunteer Support
See also blogs: Global Advocacy blog · Global Advocacy Newsletter · Policy blog · WikiLearn News · list of movement events

• Global Resources: Introducing the interim Global Resource Distribution Committee (GRDC).
• Funding the Movement: Key Takeaways, Trends, and Lessons from FY 2024-2025 Community Fund Grants.
• Open Indonesia: Reflections on Open Indonesia, an event in Bandung gathering communities dedicated to advancing open knowledge to build the country's Open Knowledge Roadmap.
• WikiWomen*: Reflections from the WikiWomen* Summit 2025.
• Gender & AI: Is Gendering AI Possible? Reflections from the 2025 Gendering AI Conference.
• Wikipedia 25: What one centenarian can teach us about 25 years of Wikipedia.
• Knowledge Equity Fund: Wikimedia Ghana User Group receives Knowledge Equity Fund Connected Grant.
• Wikimania 2025: ESEAP First Timers at Wikimania Nairobi.
• César do Paço Lawsuit: Update about a lawsuit in Portugal and the Foundation's appeal to the European Court of Human Rights.
• UK Online Safety Act: The Wikimedia Foundation will not appeal the UK High Court’s decision to dismiss our challenge to the UK’s Online Safety Act (OSA) Categorisation Regulations.

Board and Board committee updates
See Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard · Affiliations Committee Newsletter

• August board meeting: Updates on board appointments and selection, CEO search, work to strengthen Wikipedia's approach to neutral point of view and updates on three pilots around more shared decision-making and shared accountability across the movement.
• New Endowment board members: Welcoming New Wikimedia Endowment Board Members, Kevin Bonebrake and Ike Kier.

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MediaWiki message delivery 01:04, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello Clovermoss:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Editathon event in October 2025!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2025, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) editathon event with the theme What Women Do! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 different occupations or professions (or broader roles in society) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

	Thank you for your support!
	A year has passed since you helped me pass my RFA! The whole process was definitely less than ideal, but I made it. Better yet, I've not had many complaints. I'm certainly still in the toddler phase of adminship, but I'm happy to be here. Thank you so much for your support! Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:13, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade: Thanks! I'm proud of all 3 of my admin children. Maybe you'll be the next to join ArbCom 😛. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:06, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

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Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:53, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing this, and I hope people would be inclined to understand you and other people. HSLover/DWF (talk) 21:23, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on September 13. Please help translate.

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Upcoming and current events and conversations
Let's Talk continues

• CEE Meeting: Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2025 will be held in Thessaloniki, Greece, September 26-28.
• Learning Clinic: The next Let's Connect Learning Clinic will talk about "Mastering the Capacity Exchange (CapX) Tool" and will take place on September 30 at 13:00 UTC.
• Big Fat Brussels Meeting: The tenth in-person gathering of Wikimedians enthusiastic in free knowledge advocacy, Big Fat Brussels Meeting, will take place on October 3-4.
• Wikimedia Research Showcase: "Celebrating 13 Years: Wikidata’s Role in Learning and Culture" will be the featured theme for the next research showcase taking place on October 15 at 16:30 UTC.

Annual Goals Progress on Infrastructure
See also newsletters: Wikimedia Apps · Growth · Research · Web · Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia · Tech News · Language and Internationalization · other newsletters on MediaWiki.org

• Tech News: Read updates from Tech News week 38 and 39.
• Wikifunctions: Wikifunctions is now available on 123 Wiktionary languages and have more than 3,000 functions available.
• Collaborative Contributions: A new feature, called Collaborative Contributions, allows editors to see the impact of their collaborative editing activities. It was live demoed earlier and you can follow instructions to test it out.
• CampaignEvents extension: The CampaignEvents extension was deployed to Wikimedia Commons and all Wikisources -80+ wikis.
• Event registration: Starting the week of October 6, on small and medium wikis that have the CampaignEvents extension enabled, all autoconfirmed users will be able to use Event Registration as an organizer. No changes will be made for large wikis unless requested in Phabricator. More information on Meta.
• Search Suggestions: Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users now see suggestions of articles for further reading on all Wikipedias, in order to make it easier for users to find articles.
• Datacenter server switchover: A successful datacenter server switchover backup test took place on September 24.
• Activity Tab now on Android: Beta users of the Wikipedia Android app can now try the redesigned Activity tab, which replaces the Edits tab. The new tab offers personalized insights into reading, editing, and donation activity, while simplifying navigation and making app use more engaging.

Annual Goals Progress on Volunteer Support
See also blogs: Global Advocacy blog · Global Advocacy Newsletter · Policy blog · WikiLearn News · list of movement events

• Banners & Logos policies: The Wikimedia Foundation has published draft proposals for policies related to the use of banners and logo changes for advocacy purposes.
• Wikipedia 25: Wikimedia Foundation is creating playful, celebratory interventions on the Wikipedia portal page, the Wikipedia app, and potentially any interested Wikipedias to celebrate Wikipedia’s 25th birthday. Please share your inputs and add your username on the Talk page if you think your community would be interested in participating.
• Regional Funds: Welcoming new ESEAP Regional Funds Committee Members.
• Peer Learning: Reflections from Let’s Connect at Wikimania Nairobi 2025.

Annual Goals Progress on Effectiveness
See also: Progress on the annual plan

• Enterprise: Structured Contents now supports Wikipedia tables as structured JSON.

Board and Board committee updates
See Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard · Affiliations Committee Newsletter

• Wikimedia Georgia: Wikimedia Georgia becomes the newest Wikimedia Chapter.

Foundation statements

• Knowledge integrity: The Wikimedia Foundation launches a new series that explores how Wikipedia can inspire new standards of knowledge integrity for our times.

Highlights from other Movement curated newsletters & news
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• National award: Wikipedian and current chair of Wikimedia Deutschland, Alice Wiegand, receives the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany for her voluntary commitment to Wikipedia and the global Wikimedia movement.
• Supporting admins and patrollers: Motivating, training and networking – Wikimedia Ukraine’s plan to support Wikipedia admins and patrollers.
• Wikimania roundup: A roundup of Wikimania and this year's Wikimedians of the year by the French-speaking community's newsletter, Regards sur l’actualité du mouvement Wikimédia (Views on Wikimedia movement's events, or RAW).

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MediaWiki message delivery 16:26, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

How are you, Clover? I wanted to ask if you would like to review my FA nom of Hunter Schafer? Or either of my two GA noms? I promise to review or expand or cleanup whatever article you want in exchange. HSLover/DWF (talk) 09:01, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

@DoctorWhoFan91: Answering the question about how I am is very complicated these days. My current feelings are probably best explained by this song.

As for GA/FA reviews, I've never actually done one of those before. I have a lot of on-wiki and off-wiki obligations that I'm trying to follow up on right now, so adding even more to my plate is probably not the best idea. I can only do so much at once. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:52, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

I hope you feel better asap, no matter how bad you are feeling *hugs* (the link does not work).

Okay, got it- keep up the good work- I always see thougtful remarks and edits in your contributioms. Also, feel free to ask for help in editing something if you ever need it, it seems we share many topics of editing interest. HSLover/DWF (talk) 16:36, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

That's odd, the link works for me. Anyways, it's a song called "Everything's Not Awesome". I'm in the "we should maybe aim for not bad, because not bad right now would be real great" phase of it. I'm glad you find my comments/edits helpful, I tend to overthink and feel that I'm mediocre at best or worry that I'm messing things up somehow. I'm trying to work on my self-esteem and assertiveness, but it's a long battle. I do think I'm making some progress on that front, though.

As for content work, my main project right now is trying to get Jehovah's Witnesses ready for FAC. I've been trying to figure out where to best split content from the Government interactions section because there's quite a bit of overlap between Jehovah's Witnesses and governments and Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses and I don't want to accidently make a possible WP:POVFORK problem worse. But that's probably one of the few cases where our editing interests do not overlap. You might find my comment at Talk:Ambition (character trait)#Possible sources useful for expansion? That's probably more down your alley. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:50, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Might be a geographical thing. Yeah, that's a hard phase of sadness/grief- hope you feel better soon. You're not mediocre, you're a great editor, probably one of the best, in terms of conduct. I do hope your self esteem and assertiveness increase a lot.

Yeah, JWs are basically the only thing I have seen you edit that I have no intrest to edit. Oh yeah, that is definitely more down my alley, any/every feminist source is- thank you, those are really nice sources. HSLover/DWF (talk) 17:30, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi! Sure, I can take a look at your FA nomination soon. I’ll go through it and share feedback when I get some free time. Thanks for offering to review something in return, that’s appreciated. Yasmin9519 (talk) 05:21, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for your recent participation in AfD. I would like to hear your thoughts about the process. Please check this survey if you are willing to respond.Czarking0 (talk) 02:00, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

@Czarking0: Interesting but I think I'll pass for now given my participation in AfD is rather minimal compared to others. That said, may I suggest creating a subpage for keeping everything together? I feel like it would've been very unwieldy to keep track of everything I've done with editor reflections if I hadn't. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:15, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Multiple people had a similar request so there is now User:Czarking0/Survey responses Czarking0 (talk) 20:24, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello, in multiple places you have indicated you are writing a response to recent ballot disqualifications from the WMF BoT. I would like to see your response and I am sure others are in a similar boat. I'll subscribe to this thread. Can you give a courtesy ping here when you have posted it? Czarking0 (talk) 15:57, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

I will keep you updated. I'm hoping to have something ready within the next 48 hours if everything works out the way I'm intending it to. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:15, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

@Czarking0: The petition that everyone has been waiting for can be found at m:2025 WMF Board reform petition. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:52, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

You have me on there now. I was surprised with the membership idea. I had not heard that before. It seems natural for there to be some portion of membership / member control but I would be surprised if this was not already considered and rejected. Czarking0 (talk) 04:58, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2025).

Administrator changes

• Billinghurst
• Crisco 1492
• DarkFalls
• Spike Wilbury
• Valereee
• Ergo Sum

CheckUser changes

Vanamonde93

Arbitration

• After a motion, arbitration enforcement page protections no longer need to be logged in the AELOG. A bot now automatically posts protections at WP:AELOG/P. To facilitate this bot, protection summaries must include a link to the relevant CT page (e.g. [[WP:CT/BLP]]), and you will receive talk page reminders if you forget to specify the contentious topic but otherwise indicate it is an AE action.

In this edition, we’ll walk you through the major updates, experiments, and improvements that took place in the Wikipedia mobile apps during July, August, and September.

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on September 26. Please help translate.

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Upcoming and current events and conversations
Let's Talk continues

• Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Selection: Announcement of the final ballot for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election and more answers about the decision. Eligible voters can vote between October 8 – October 23.
• Wikipedia 25: Are you planning to organize events to celebrate Wikipedia's 25th birthday? The Wikimedia Foundation offers grants to support active Wikimedia groups in organizing short-term, low-cost projects to celebrate this milestone. Applications are open until November 1.
• WikiConference North America 2025: WikiConference North America will take place from October 16–19 in New York City, USA.

Annual Goals Progress on Infrastructure
See also newsletters: Wikimedia Apps · Growth · Product Safety and Integrity · Readers · Research · Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia · Tech News · Language and Internationalization · other newsletters on MediaWiki.org

• Mobile Editing: Insights on mobile web editing on Wikipedia in 2025 are now available. This report highlights that ~95% of IP mobile users editing via wikitext open the editor but make no changes at all, a vast untapped potential. It also pinpoints where contributors most often drop off.
• Dark Mode: Dark Mode user interface will be rolled out on all Wikimedia sites on October 29. All anonymous users of Wikimedia sites will have the option to activate a color scheme that features light-colored text on a dark background. This is designed to provide a more comfortable reading experience, especially in low-light situations.
• Community wishlist extension: The new Community Wishlist extension has been released. This will allow users to add tags to their wishes to better categorise them, and (in a future iteration) to filter them by status, tags and focus areas. It will also be possible to support individual wishes again, as requested by the community in many instances.
• Paste Check: 22 Wikis are now testing a new Edit Check feature, Paste Check, to help avoid and fight copyright violations. When editors paste text into an article, Paste Check prompts them to confirm the origin and licensing of the content.
• Tone Check: The Wikimedia Foundation is working on a new check for newcomers: Tone check. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits.
• Search Suggestions: Search Suggestions was deployed on English Wikipedia. Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature is available on both desktop and mobile.
• Unsupported Tools Working Group: A new Unsupported Tools Working Group has been formed to help prioritize and review requests for support of unmaintained extensions, gadgets, bots, and tools. The group has chosen Video2Commons as the first tool for its pilot cycle. The group will explore ways to improve and sustain the tool over the coming months.
• Tech News: Read updates from Tech News week 40 and 41 including about Sub-referencing – a new feature to re-use references with different details.
• Wikimedia Research Showcase: Don't miss the next Wikimedia Research Showcase, "Celebrating 13 Years: Wikidata's Role in Learning and Culture" taking place on October 15 at 16:30 UTC.

Annual Goals Progress on Volunteer Support
See also blogs: Global Advocacy blog · Global Advocacy Newsletter · Policy blog · WikiLearn News · list of movement events

• Wikimania: Wikimania Nairobi has been featured in more than 100 stories across community platforms and international media outlets.
• Wikifunctions: Rich text is now available for embedded Wikifunctions calls across the 150 wikis where it’s enabled.
• WikiLearn: New Wikipedia online courses you can join to strengthen your Wikimedia editing skills.
• Human Rights: Making sure AI serves people and knowledge stays human: Wikimedia Foundation publishes a Human Rights Impact Assessment on the interaction of AI and machine learning with Wikimedia projects.
• Don't blink: The latest developments from around the world about protecting the Wikimedia model, its people and its values.
• Digital Safety & Privacy: Frequently Asked Questions about Wikimedia Foundation's Legal Work.
• Transparency Report: Wikimedia Foundation publishes its Latest Transparency Report.
• Privacy Policy: The Wikimedia Foundation Privacy Policy is getting a minor update in preparation for Temporary Accounts.
• Learning Clinic: Join the next Let's Connect Learning Clinic on the topic of "Mastering the Capacity Exchange (CapX) Tool (Part 2)" taking place on October 20 at 17:00 UTC.

Foundation statements

• Knowledge integrity: Lessons from Wikipedia on the 3 building blocks of trustworthy information. This is part of the new series from the Wikimedia Foundation that explores how Wikipedia can inspire new standards of knowledge integrity for our times.

Other Movement curated newsletters & news
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MediaWiki message delivery 14:50, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello mentor. How do I add something to Wikipedia? I would like to add my band to it. I feel there is enough content now.

Thank you --Cathode ray terrors (talk) 03:40, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi Cathode ray terrors, it's unlikely that your personal band would meet our notability guidelines. That's probably not the news you want to hear, sorry. Let me know if there's anything else you'd want to edit about that I can help you with. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:04, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Talk page watchers may be interested in . It was really upsetting to be treated like that. I ended up leaving the session to go cry in the hallway so I didn't say anything I regretted in response to that. But what happened really wasn't okay, especially from the CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation. The whole session began with how supposedly the board cares about listening to us, but actions show that's really just words. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:00, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

I'm so sorry @Clovermoss, that's such a disappointing and disrespectful response. Thanks @ViridianPenguin for having Clovermoss's back. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 11:09, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Seems like we need a more drastic way to let the wmf know that they need to be more accountable to the community. (t · c) buidhe 15:04, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

You deserve better treatment. Maybe it's the Age of Disappointing Leadership. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 15:12, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

That too (t · c) buidhe 15:25, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

@Buidhe: What would you suggest? I did the petition. ViridianPenguin mentioned blackouts, but I'd prefer we don't go to that level of extreme right away. Surely there has to be some middle steps here we could take. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:35, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

I would support banners or blackouts if the wmf does not give satisfactory response to community concerns about accountability. (t · c) buidhe 20:43, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

@Buidhe: Do I need to be the one to lead such efforts for them to have the same power? Between my petition, the conversation with the board of trustees session, my lightning talk, the elections committee session, and just the events of the past few days generally, I'm absolutely exhausted. I know I'm doing the right thing but it's still hard to keep on going. I could lead such an effort if nessecary, but I wouldn't be opposed if someone else wanted to take up the mantle right now. There's only so much I can do on an individual level when I don't have the concrete authority to change much. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:26, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

I think there are a lot of eyes on it right now so it doesn't necessarily need to be driven by you personally. (t · c) buidhe 21:47, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

@Clovermoss you have already done so much and this work can take a lot out of you. Thank you for what you have done to raise the profile of this issue so far, and don't feel obliged to keep pushing. As buidhe says, there are others who can share the load (though I'm not sure of the best way to nudge people who could help). ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 22:21, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

I agree that you shouldn't have to carry all of the burden here. I also don't think that a further action should be directed at all of our readers, because this really is "inside baseball", so I'd oppose a blackout or a reader-facing banner, as I suspect many other editors also would. Maybe there could be something like a watchlist notice, or something like that. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:31, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

@MIskander-WMF: I've heard from a few people today that have implied that what you said does not align with your own values and that you regret it. It's impossible for me to know if that's an accurate reflection or if it isn't when it's not coming from you personally. Given what you said to me was public (I have to say it seems somewhat strategic that the breakout sessions weren't recorded), I think I'm owed a public apology as well. I don't think that what you said was nessecarily out of malice, but it definitely felt like saying the quiet part out loud. That people feel like we don't have the authority to make these kinds of decisions even though we're the only reason any of this is possible in the first place. People haven't felt listened to for years and it's very frustrating to have people continually say that they're listening but not actually be doing so. It feels more like a pretense with pretty words than an actual desire to learn from the people who have dedicated years of their lives to the projects. There's some listening that's happening but only a fraction of what it should be at. The bar is so low that anything is seen as an improvement.

I'm very much an open book and I've learned a lot from what's probably thousands of conversations with other volunteers over time. I find these frank conversations have led me to have an understanding of the broader community resentment that a lot of people at the top don't seem to understand. Like they understand there's problems but not the depth of the issue or why it happens. It's probably why the way I even found out you were stepping down was because someone told me I should be your replacement. I don't think I really have the on paper qualifications for that and said as much, but again, I feel like it speaks to the seriousness of the problem that people feel like I'd be able to actually change things for once. They think that my approach to listening is the skill you can't teach and everything else can be learned, I guess.

I never really got a chance to elaborate on my concerns yesterday, but I think that forced cohesiveness is actively anti-ethical to our values as a movement. Arguments are made stronger when people disagree with each other and there's so many voices you miss if they aren't even in the room. The people who attend conferences such as this one are already the people most aligned with the WMF perspective. What you said about the community seats and the appointed seats being in conflict with each other speaks to a broader issue. The problem isn't that people are disagreeing but what's causing that conflict in the first place. I don't think our board of trustees should be in conflict with the underlying communities because there just shouldn't be that disconnect in priorities to begin with. Many great organizations have failed over time. We've survived in spite of our leadership and not because of it. But I worry for our future as a movement if the current state of things continues. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:32, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi Clovermoss - You heard right that I regret what happened and it is not how I ever want to show up as a leader. I’ve been packing and moving since the conference ended so I will offer my apologies here – I am sorry for what I said and how I reacted.

First, I agree that being a good listener is critical for anyone who wants to be an effective CEO and it is always the way I try to engage. I was under a lot of strain following the events of the weekend (thanks KevinL for mentioning this in the other discussion), which meant I wasn’t at my best. Still, my strain should not have been directed at you.

Second, I can weigh in on some of the points you’ve raised. When it comes to the diversity of viewpoints on the Board, I actually think we agree. Arguments are made stronger when people disagree. Decisions are more solid and more responsive once there’s been debate. The point I was trying to make was not that trustees all need to agree (in fact, they often don’t), but they do need to be able to work together as a cohesive group. They need to be able to weigh many factors and come to consensus on what are usually very difficult questions. They need to be able to make these decisions and then partner with the CEO on how to move forward. When they can’t reach a consensus, it is not possible for a CEO to do their job. So the work I was trying to describe to you has been about improving processes in the last few years that allow Trustees to build consensus as a group in spite of individual disagreement, similar to what happens on the wikis.

If you want to talk more 1:1, please let me know here or at miskanderwikimedia.org MIskander-WMF (talk) 00:57, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

@MIskander-WMF While you are apologizing, perhaps you can apologize to me as well? Your conditional non-apology and weak I don't plan to engage further is a very bad way to treat someone, especially a volunteer.

I should also note that it kinda sucks when the WMF has a CEO that uses her enwiki account, other than here to apologize for an arrogant and dumb remark, only to talk about fundraising (twice in four years). Do you understand how bad that looks? The WMF exists to serve the community. Polygnotus (talk) 08:15, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

It's entirely fair to say the whole thing left a bad taste in more than one mouth, and a private apology to Clovermoss sort of misses the entire point of her objection. BusterD (talk) 08:36, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

The WMF exists to serve the community. I heartily agree. And when the community (from all nations) can see the foundation gives us organization without representation, the community might drift toward other endeavors. Given the wiki's potential balkanization, I'd rather they give us a reasonable voice, or face an inevitable collapse in participation (and donation). BusterD (talk) 10:48, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Well I still think the WMF is fixable, but it will be rather difficult to convince Clovermoss to apply for the job as CEO. And while this is half-joking, I don't think alleged experience as CEO of a large organization is that valuable compared to the far more important people skills that Clovermoss possesses. Everyone can learn the skills required to become an effective CEO, but learning people skills is much more difficult, especially later in life. Polygnotus (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Criticism of the WMF is fair game, but frankly this criticism of Maryana personally is naive and condescending. Perhaps she made a mistake, but the idea that—in an organisation we criticize for its bureaucracy, no less—you/we/whoever can extrapolate this to her job suitability (and use it to make personal digs at her) is just unfair and unempathetic, especially given the difficult circumstances of the relevant interaction.

The WMF is far from perfect, and I'm sure they know that. But I've seen in many places this idea that the ideals of untrained volunteers are enough to steer a politically contentious global non-profit. And honestly, if I were WMF CEO, I would be insulted, because it would show me that I'm being criticized by people with zero understanding of what the role is about.

Editors are great at many things, and I think we should have a lot of input in what the WMF does. But this notion that one of us could be CEO—let alone do it better than an experienced professional—is absurd. Giraffer (talk) 18:11, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

@Giraffer: Well, I partially disagree with you, but I also partially disagree with myself, so I toned it down. There is no magic CEO powder, and since we have 112,780 active editors it would be mathematically impossible if there was no suitable candidate among us. But that thing with that guy with that gun was horrible and I was shocked when I read it. And humans are human. Polygnotus (talk) 22:28, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, it was pretty horrible. I'm still processing that I ran for my life a few days ago. Doesn't mean I deserved to be treated terribly by the literal CEO for simply disagreeing with something she said, but it makes it slightly more understandable. I appreciate that she actually apologized to me. I'll probably take her up on talking later when I'm less overwhelmed, as there's still a lot of concerns that I have about the way the board operates, but the past few months have been a special kind of hell for me on a personal level and I need some time to put myself back together. But I started the reform petition for a reason and I intend to see it through.

I'm flattered you're the third person to tell me you think I'd make a good CEO, and to some extent I'm sure I'd do less terribly than one might expect under those circumstances, but surely there's someone more qualified than me who has both a background within the movement and the organizational skills required for such a role. I basically spent my entire childhood learning how to cope with complicated social dynamics so there's a reason I'm good at that kind of thing. That doesn't mean I don't get frustrated when I'm following all those rules and other people are held to a different standard, even if I'm more likely to deal with it in a healthier way. It also doesn't mean it makes sense from me to jump straight to a top level governance role when I've never been a manager in any capacity. I wouldn't know what to do with a crazy amount of money because I've been living near-poverty for most of my life, even if I'd trust other people who do have that experience. So there's a bunch of nuance there even if it might not be as crazy as one might assume. I've always taken this sort of suggestion to be less a reflection of me personally and more a statement about how bad things are that people think I might do better. I don't have anything personally against Maryana, but I do hope that her successor has a personal stake/background in the community because I feel like that's partially what's resulted in some decisions that made people so angry over the years from WMF CEOs in a general sense. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:07, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

This is why finding a good CEO is so difficult, we need raw brainpower, a great communicator with people skills, someone who understands money, understands the direction we need to go, has experience leading, a thick skin and crisis management skills. Such people are rare, and they can choose a much easier life than to be the CEO of the WMF.

Many Wikipedians I've come across excel at some of those categories, but usually not all of them.

I think the fix is to split up the role. Why search for one CEO that is great at everything when we can have multiple people who each deal with the stuff they are good at. A triumvirate could outperform any individual person. Polygnotus (talk) 00:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

There are examples of executives who complemented each other effectively – the ones I'm familiar with are with the Disney company, with Walt as the creative person and his brother Roy as the finance guy, or the Michael Eisner/Frank Wells duo. A good chief executive knows their weak spots and hires supporting staff to accommodate. But someone has to be the ultimate decision maker; history has not been kind to companies that try to run with multiple people holding equal power at the top. isaacl (talk) 03:16, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Exactly. The person with the people skills who embodies our ideals and understands our past and future has the final say, and then we just need one woman who knows the tech-stack (and -world) and one woman who understands money. Bonus points if they have some life experience. Polygnotus (talk) 03:41, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

I apolgize for not making myself clear, as that was not the message I intended to convey. Effective chief executives must be strong at a wide variety of skills, and for a large organization, organizational structure is a key one. A duopoly or triumvirate doesn't generally work out for companies. isaacl (talk) 18:11, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

@Isaacl Effective chief executives must be strong at a wide variety of skills Indeed, but they don't necessarily require understanding the entire tech-stack and -world, or even having a complete understanding of the financial stuff. An effective CEO delegates, shares responsibility, and knows when to ask for help. Polygnotus (talk) 18:16, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I was responding specifically about the suggestion of a triumvirate. isaacl (talk) 18:20, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

I am very imprecise with words because precision is the enemy of understanding. Polygnotus (talk) 18:36, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, have you ever read the essay, "The Cathedral and the Bazaar"? To use the metaphor of the essay, i think, for better or worse, that WMF is a cathedral nestled in the Bazaar that is Wikimedia. I think some of the friction around the position of the CEO is that what makes a good leader of a "cathedral" is often the opposite of what makes a good leader of the Bazaar. So by virtue of how things are organized, it encourages very different leadership cultures, which never fully see eye to eye because they value different things. At the same time, the office of WMF CEO has sort of become a first among equals of Wikimedia so is expected to bridge that gap somehow and be true to both groups. I don't really know where i'm going with this, but i think the cause of much friction is structural rather then up to individuals, and any fixes would also have to be structural. Bawolff (talk) 00:01, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. BusterD (talk) 14:32, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

@Bawolff: 8. Given a large enough beta-tester and co-developer base, almost every problem will be characterized quickly and the fix obvious to someone. Or, less formally, Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow. Linus's Law doesn't seem to be working for MediaWiki, given the large volume of longstanding bugs in Phabricator. But the problem with being clever and original in software design is that it gets to be a habit—you start reflexively making things cute and complicated when you should be keeping them robust and simple. I wonder if this is happening with all the complex objects and "factories" in the code I've been trying to work on. mw:Developers/Maintainers#MediaWiki core lists components which have stewards and individual maintainers. The code I've been trying to improve is listed as Unassigned. At least Krinkle just gave it its own table row, a couple days ago. I guess that's progress. In a bazaar a single core developer is common, and one to three is typical but there are areas where MediaWiki core has no core developer, and the cathedral is not prioritizing and assigning the core developer role to anybody. This has frustrated me. A bazaar project coordinator or leader must have good people and communications skills. Wikimedia is lacking a good bazaar project coordinator or leader, like Linus Torvalds. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:09, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Linus's Law doesn't seem to be working for MediaWiki, given the large volume of longstanding bugs in Phabricator. I wonder if all software projects, open source and private, suffer from this though. Don't they all have a backlog of tickets? Basically, 1) it is easier to report a bug or have a feature idea than it is to code it up. 2) There are never enough devs. 3) The whole industry appears to be cyclical, with teams getting a repo's code top-of-mind, then doing a burst of work, then moving on to other repos for a couple years, then finally coming back to the repo and doing another burst of work once things get especially buggy and the repo becomes the squeaky wheel.

The nice thing about the open source movement is that volunteers can jump in and work on whatever they want, mitigating (but not eliminating) the above. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:20, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Honestly, ESR lays it on a little thick. I think its a useful metaphor about different organization structures, but its not quite as magic as esr implies. That said, i would describe Wikipedia as the Bazaar-style project not mediawiki. Bawolff (talk) 16:03, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi, How can I retrieve my mailaddress that I used for this account. I would like to log in to my Wikipedia account from another device but I do not have the password. --RonnMosz (talk) 10:56, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

@RonnMosz: Your email address should be visible if you click "preferences". Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:02, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Ok thanks RonnMosz (talk) 09:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

A quarterly update from the Growth team on our work to improve the new editor experience.

New releases

English Wikipedia gets "Add a Link" Structured Task

We released the "Add a Link" Structured Task to 100% of accounts at English Wikipedia on Tuesday, September 2nd (before then it was available to 20% of accounts).

Growth features for Wikidata

After examining if the Growth features and Mentorship could be adapted to Wikidata, we activated the Growth features on Beta Wikidata to allow for testing and discussion (T400937). Although some features, like Suggested Edits, are Wikipedia-specific, the Growth team designed most features to be more wiki-agnostic.

Work in progress

Revise Tone Structured Task

The Growth team is making progress on the technical architecture, onboarding design, and early user testing. We are targeting an A/B test before the end of this year, with constructive edits by newcomers as the primary success metric.

Add a link to more wikis

The machine learning team has been working on a new model that can suggest links to more languages, including Urdu, Chinese, and Japanese Wikipedias. We are starting to release the “Add a Link” feature to Wikipedias that weren’t supported by the previous model.

Add a link, which can be configured by the community locally, increases the chance that a new contributor will make their first edit and then continue to participate in Wikipedia.

Research

The Growth team is involved in several research initiatives to help guide our future work:

Progression System – We have published initial findings from interviews with 10 English and French Wikipedia newcomers. The research examined motivations, challenges, and feedback on a prototype system intended to help editors build confidence, develop skills, and contribute more constructively over time.

Mobile Web Editing Research – This project combines quantitative and qualitative data, community feedback, and user journey analysis to identify possible ways to enhance the mobile editing experience.

Newcomers Survey – This project surveys successful newcomers on English Wikipedia to understand their early editing experiences, tool use, and community interactions.

Community events

The Growth team participated in several community events to listen, share, and collaborate on improving newcomer experiences across Wikimedia projects.

Wikimania - Organizers as key partners to support newcomers' growth in our movement

This session invited organizers to share how they introduce newcomers to Growth features and the challenges they encounter. The discussion focused on common newcomer questions and opportunities to strengthen collaboration in supporting new editors.

Wikimania - Lightning Talk: Structured Tasks

This talk demonstrated how Structured Tasks help newcomers take their first successful steps on Wikipedia. It shared impact data, community configurations, and a demo of “Add a Link,” illustrating how these tasks make editing more accessible and sustainable, particularly for mobile contributors.

Wikimania - Building a Sustainable Future for Wikimedia Contributors

With active editor numbers declining, the Contributors Strategy aims to create a clearer, more engaging path for participation. This session, led by the WMF Contributors group with involvement from the Editing, Growth, Moderator Tools, and Connection (formerly Campaigns) teams, highlighted efforts to streamline contributor experiences, offer structured and mobile-friendly workflows, and foster meaningful engagement. Participants learned about ongoing initiatives and shared feedback to help shape a more inclusive and sustainable future for Wikimedia contributors.

CEE Meeting - Retaining beginners and improving content moderation: an inclusive and sustainable future for Wikipedia contributors

Many communities face a decline in volunteer engagement. Newcomers often leave soon after joining, while experienced editors struggle to manage increasingly complex workflows and overwhelming backlogs. We presented the Contributors Strategy and the different features and workflows that can help communities to address these challenges. We listened to the specific needs of the CEE communities to help guide the Contributors teams' work.

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I edited my page on Panorama Ray in August, adding references but i can't find it now. What happened? Where did it go? Thanks for any help Rosemary Kimble (talk) 22:19, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Rosemary Kimble. I think you are looking for Draft:Panorama Ray (t · c) buidhe 22:30, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi Clover. It was really nice talking to you today. I'm glad we got to reach, or at least start reaching, some closure about what happened between us in February. I think I have a much better understanding now of what was motivating you in that situation, and I hope you have a better understanding of what was motivating me. You've heard a much longer version of this apology already, which I won't bore your talkpage watchers with, but I think there's two aspects that do demand I clarify the record publicly.

First, I'll reïterate my apology from March for the tone I took in the initial comment on the article's talkpage that you objected to. As I said in March, my anger was almost entirely directed at a third party who later admitted he was editing in bad faith, but from your point of view of course that makes no difference. It wasn't fair to lump your good-faith efforts, whatever issues I had with them, in with his trolling, and I apologize for that.

Secondly, I owe you a much more serious apology for how I responded to your objection to that comment. The tone issue was an error of degree rather than kind, but this part was a pure assumption of bad faith on my part. You expressed the stress that the situation was causing you, which should have come as no surprise to me, who was similarly stressed as the article's subject, and had been similarly stressed in situations before where an article I wrote generated immediate editorial controversy. And I know you well enough to know that you are very frank about your emotions, and that while some people might say that sort of thing manipulatively, you are just an honest person and want people to know how you are feeling. If there was a need for me to say anything at all (and there probably wasn't), it would have been to encourage you to rephrase what you said. But assuming that that was your intent was simply unacceptable on my part, a bad-faith assumption inconsistent both of what I know of you as a person and what I know of you as an editor. You didn't deserve that, and it was particularly inappropriate for me to bring up AN/I.

I hope you know I immensely appreciate what you do for this project. Not once in all this have I questioned your commitment to Wikipedia's mission, or that you are a strong positive force in this community. If anyone does question that on the basis of a single string of miscommunications and resulting recriminations amidst high emotions, you're welcome to tell them that I say they're wrong. Not that I think my opinion ought to matter hugely, but for whatever it's worth.

All the best. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 12:21, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

@Tamzin: I appreciate the apology. I wish it would've happened a long time ago, but late is so much better than never. It bothers me when things are left unresolved. Part of what made that experience suck so much was trying so hard to be diligent and do everything right, being in a catch-22 situation no matter what I did, and then being kicked down even further when I expressed a moment of vulnerability and explanation for why I suddenly stopped responding to feedback. I would've been okay with you changing your mind from ambivalent to not wanting the article at all... it was the way you reacted that upset me the most, especially because I had generally valued your judgement before then and respected you as a colleague. I hated being treated like I had done something indescribably awful when I hadn't done anything like that. I appreciate you saying I didn't deserve it. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:40, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

I also wish I could have said this sooner. I don't think there's anything I said above that I wasn't prepared to say by March or April. When someone says they don't feel comfortable talking to me, I take that very seriously, and so I felt my hands were tied and that the only appropriate thing I could do was only interact with you in situations where you engaged first. Having now heard your perspective on the same eight-month period, I realize that may amount to a kind of comedy of errors, but I'll always err on the side of giving someone space when they've asked for it; I learned the lesson the hard way when I was younger that when you think "Oh, this person's probably ready to hear from me", they often aren't. Either way, I'm glad we've been able to have the conversations we've had, and look forward to this receding farther in the rear-view mirror. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 19:54, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Well, for future reference, me not wanting to talk to someone in private does not equate to not wanting to talk to someone in public. I've discovered lately that some people find that reaction confusing and usually prefer to talk about sensitive subjects in private. But I've learned from experience that people who treat me a certain way in public will often treat me much worse when others aren't around and it's something I try to avoid for that reason. After the conversation on your talk page, it seemed unwise to try to discuss it at all unless you took the initiative. I got the impression other people wanted me to move on already even if that's not something that's that easy to do when you've been hurt and just want some acknowledgement that what happened was wrong. But I say what I mean and I mean what I say on my userpage. I don't think I'd ever get upset at someone apologizing to me unless it was "sorry not sorry" type apology. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:17, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on October 11. Please help translate.

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Upcoming and current events and conversations
Let's Talk continues

• Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection: Additional perspectives on current and future board selection processes.
• Global trends: We are seeing 8% declines in human page views on Wikipedia as some users don't directly visit Wikipedia to get information. Learn about this new user trend, how the Wikimedia Foundation anticipate these changes, and how you can help.
• WECUDI 2025: The second conference of Wikimedia, Education, and Digital Cultures will be held from October 29–31 in Mexico City, Mexico.
• GLAM Conference: Wiki GLAM Culture and Heritage Conference (WGCHC) will take place on 30 October – 1 November in Lisbon, Portugal.
• WikidataCon 2025: WikidataCon 2025 will take place online from October 31 – November 2.

Annual Goals Progress on Infrastructure
See also newsletters: Wikimedia Apps · Growth · Product Safety and Integrity · Readers · Research · Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia · Tech News · Language and Internationalization · other newsletters on MediaWiki.org

• Making it easier to say thanks: Users on most wikis will now have the ability to thank a comment directly from the talk page it appears on. Before this change, thanking could only be done by visiting the revision history of the talk page.
• Account security: Improvements to account security and two-factor authentication (2FA) features were enabled across all wikis. Another part of the project is making 2FA generally available to all users. Along with editors with advanced privileges, such as administrators and bureaucrats, 40% of editors now have access to 2FA. You can check if you have access at Special:AccountSecurity.
• Abstract Wikipedia: The naming contest for the new Wikimedia project, known until now as Abstract Wikipedia, is ongoing. Voting is now open until November 3.
• Tech News: Read updates from Tech News week 42 and 43 including the community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
• Wikimedia apps: The Wikipedia iOS App launched an A/B/C test of improvements to the Tabbed browsing feature into Beta for select regions & languages. Called “More dynamic tabs”, the experiment adds user-requested improvements and introduces article recommendations within the tabs overview, showing “Did you know” or “Because you read” content depending on how many tabs are open.
• CampaignEvents extension: Campaignevents extension will be deployed to all remaining wikis during the week of 17 November 2025. The extension currently includes three features: Event Registration, Collaboration List, and Invitation List. For this rollout, Invitation List will not be enabled on Wikifunctions and MediaWiki unless requested by those communities.
• Event registration tool: Autoconfirmed users on small and medium wikis with the extension can now use Event Registration without the Event Organizer right. This feature lets organizers enable registration, manage participants, and lets users register with one click instead of signing event pages.

Annual Goals Progress on Volunteer Support
See also blogs: Global Advocacy blog · Global Advocacy Newsletter · Policy blog · WikiLearn News · list of movement events

• Digital safety: Explore how you can help make Wikimedia safer by taking our new self-paced course, Safety for Young Wikimedians.
• Wikimedia Core Curriculum: The Wikimedia Foundation has developed seven online video learning modules covering the core English Wikipedia policies. You are invited to use, adapt, and translate the course.
• Advocacy: The Wikimedia Foundation has signed onto a statement that calls on governments and UN bodies to keep discussions about the future of internet governance accessible to non-government actors like industry and civil society. This statement is part of ongoing joint advocacy with affiliates to influence UN discussions about the future of internet governance such as the Global Digital Compact campaign and WSIS+20 deliberations.
• GLAM: The Wikimedia Foundation and several affiliates have signed onto the Open Heritage Statement, which supports galleries, libraries, archives, and museums (GLAM institutions) to have the legal rights they need to collect, preserve, and provide access to cultural heritage.

Foundation statements

• How Wikipedia works: Wikimedia Foundation responds to questions about how Wikipedia works.

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Hello, Clovermoss. This message is being sent to remind you of significant upcoming changes regarding logged-out editing.

Starting 4 November, logged-out editors will no longer have their IP address publicly displayed. Instead, they will have a temporary account (TA) associated with their edits. Users with some extended rights like administrators and CheckUsers, as well as users with the temporary account IP viewer (TAIV) user right will still be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range.

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Impact for administrators

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• Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this (see a video about IPContributions in a gallery below).

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• Publicizing an IP address gained through TAIV access is generally not allowed (e.g. ~2025-12345-67 previously edited as 192.0.2.1 or ~2025-12345-67's IP address is 192.0.2.1).
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• See Wikipedia:Temporary account IP viewer § What can and can't be said for more detailed guidelines.

Useful tools for patrollers

• It is possible to view if a user has opted-in to view temporary account IPs via the User Info card, available in Preferences → Appearance → Advanced options → Enable the user info card
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• The auto-reveal feature (see video below) allows users with the right permissions to automatically reveal all IP addresses for a limited time window.

Videos

• How to use Special:IPContributions
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• How to use IP Info
• How to use User Info

Further information and discussion

• For more information and discussion regarding this change, please see the announcement from the Wikimedia Foundation at Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF) § Temporary accounts rollout.

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Administrator changes

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• The speedy deletion criteria U5 has been repealed, with U6 and U7 replacing it. See the FAQ for more clarifications.
• Community-designated contentious topics may now be enforced and appealed at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard (AE) as a result of an RfC.

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• The arbitration case Transgender healthcare and people has been closed
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@BWiki1013: I recommend reading this guide. Let me know if you have further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:39, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi Hannah. This is my first time on Wikipedia. I am building out a page for a government official. How do I go about adding his official portrait? Thanks. --Crosbe17 (talk) 00:30, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi Crosbe17. It sounds like you have a conflict-of-interest, so you should read this guide because there's specific requirements for that. Secondly, you'd want to make sure the individual meets Wikipedia's standards for notability. Elected officials are generally notable, whereas other articles about people have higher requirements. Thirdly, the guide to adding an image is here. The copyright to a photograph generally is owned by the person who took it, so if you want the official photograph you should have them upload it, or take another photo yourself. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:45, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Arbitration_Committee_election_candidates_needed ? I'm asking the 3 admins that IMHO represent the best of the community. (And are active; or I'd be asking Newyorkbrad.)--GRuban (talk) 02:14, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

@GRuban: I noticed the lack of candidates earlier and have been considering running ever since. I'm a bit conflicted about it, as it's a lot of emotionally draining work to voluntarily sign up for, but someone does have to do it. I'll probably write a candidate statement within the next few hours. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:20, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

1. Thanks for running! Looks like enough candidates nominated at the last minute to make it an actual election; and I'm glad you're one of them.

2. Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2025/Candidates/Clovermoss/Questions - Wikipedia: I tend to self-access my own abilities on a regular basis - could you have meant self-assess?

3. The other answers to questions; just wow. I did not know the Tamzin and Iskander stories at all, and they are impressive. You are quite right that your sensitivity is very much a strength, please keep it up. One of the reasons I admire Nyb so much is that he showed so much kindness, and you do too. And you write like a daemon. I am so glad you're standing for arbcom. --GRuban (talk) 14:41, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused what you mean about writing like a daemon but you seem to think of it as a good thing so I'll take that as a compliment. I'm glad there's variety in the people running, too. I only joined the last day because it looked like we were barely going to have enough candidates for half the seats. I'd hope my perspective would be valuable if elected, but I wouldn't really have a problem if I wasn't, either. It's a big responsibility and I take pride in doing things well... but it's also nice to have not have huge weights on your shoulders all the time. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:55, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Ah nuts, Wiktionary doesn't deliver the subtlety. Yes, "do X like a demon" is a compliment in general, (here we go, Merriam-Webster, meaning 4, one that has exceptional enthusiasm, drive, or effectiveness; Doug, putting like a demon, had birdies on the third and sixth …) I intended that to be more so. Daemons (as opposed to more common demons) are specifically intermediaries between gods and mortals, delivering messages from the former. Your writing explains powerful concepts. Clearly mine doesn't! When I grow up, I want to write like you. (Well, minus the spelling errors. ) --GRuban (talk) 15:17, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

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I'm really making this account to try to create an Artist page for Bershy. --QJRobers (talk) 23:33, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

@QJRobers: I'm not sure who you're referring to, but if you're trying to create an article, there's this guide. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia also has specific notability requirements. Let me know if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:37, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello I would like to add a picture to my fathers page i do not see option to add picture. --Cassara96 (talk) 01:29, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

@Cassara96: Hi, a guide to upload an image is here. Once you've done so, please use this process to ask another editor to add the photo to the article. I strongly encourage you to read this guide about contributing with a conflict of interest since he's your father. Let me know if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:35, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

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How do I publish my page it’s not lie and I want to upload a profile picture --Trevor Ford (Actor) (talk) 23:39, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

@Trevor Ford (Actor): First things first, please read our guide about contributing with a COI. Secondly, read our criteria for inclusion, as not every actor is considered to be notable under Wikipedia's definition of the term (it's okay not to be notable in this way, I'm one of the few people who can say that from experience). This guide is a more generalized one for your first article; this page explains how to upload files. Let me know if you have any other questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:20, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

The last paragraph of this comment. Polygnotus (talk) 00:34, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Lets not elect sysadmins. That is a bad idea. Sysadmins need very specific knowledge of the behind the scenes work (for example, I would not be qualified enough to be a sysadmin) and without the specialized knowledge we risk driving ourselves into the technical debt ditch (not saying we are already there, but lets not dig further). For what it's worth, MusikAnimal is much more plugged into the community (and developer work) than you might think (they were even a former steward and currently work on Community-Tech team) and I do think their decision here was a rational one.

I think at a base level, the answer to Pppery's dilemma is to have volunteer developers who know enough and kinda self-sufficiently maintain bits and pieces of the software that do need maintenance (for what it's worth, technical folks are not all that stingy with +2, it just takes a lot of work to get to the point of getting +2). The WMF at this point has waaay too much to maintain and not enough in terms of teams to do all and effectively operates in "firehose mode" or "lets build cool stuff mode" both of which lead to inequality of funding especially within the context of smaller sister projects like Wikinews (which is kinda doubly screwed due to recent and past events). For such smaller projects, I think the three serious strategies are 1) Get a affiliate who cares about your project to hire devs to work on the patches (to look at Wikisource, the Italian affiliate chapter and WMF's GLAM wing provides a bunch of funding for engineering work) 2) put it on the Wishlist (where experienced devs or Community Tech/other teams will find it) 3) have volunteer developers who front the burden of the work (also worked for Wikisource to a certain extent). Sohom (talk) 03:31, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta For the record I am not saying "this is a perfect idea let's stop thinking and do it tomorrow", but I found it an interesting idea in the context of that discussion . Also, I doubt that what you and I call a "sysadmin" is what is required. But delegation of responsibilities and giving something like Wikinews and perhaps other communities more control over the software (within limits) sounds like an idea worth exploring to me.

I don't know why the WMF doesn't just hire a bunch more nerds, but I have no control over that decision. So if we accept that as a fact then empowering existing nerds in the community sounds great. I don't know if Wikinews is a viable project, but perhaps it could be with some software tweaks. Currently it looks to me, as an outsider, that 'stock' MediaWiki is just not that great for what they are trying to do. Polygnotus (talk) 03:55, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

@Polygnotus Imo, Wikinews needs to either find funding though Wikimedia NYC (or insert affiliate here) who will subsequently go out of their way to hire developers to make their changes, fork of from Wikimedia (not in a bad way) and realize that their mission is probably better served by a Wordpress-equivalent software or have buy-in from our technical volunteers/some WMF employees to implement the patches they need. To translate my understanding of MusikAnimal's POV/take is "this is a lot of work, I'm not inclined to do that, if you find somebody to make PageAssesment more abstract, we could start talking again, in it's current state, no". Unlike other times, this does not appear to be a firm no, but rather a BIYD (bring your own developer) situation. Sohom (talk) 04:56, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) My comment about electing sysadmins was more of an offhand scream into the void that I knew would never be implemented than a practical proposal for change - I was trying to evoke an alternate reality in which community consensus was totally sovereign and nobody or nothing could get in their way. And I still think you're not grasping the full significance of that reality and still engaging in the sort of second-guessing that I was fantasizing shouldn't be done - if communities end up engaging in shortsighted decisions and creating technical debt then they would only harm themselves and have to deal with their own consequences. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:56, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I mean, so yes and no. I do see the appeal of giving every community their own little sandbox to play with, but we do work on shared resources and there is a constant risk of spillover and affecting other projects especially when bad decisions are made (not to mention that sometimes, "consensus" on a small wiki is "I want it"). I see Phabricator (and the technical culture) as providing very loose guardrails to the broader on what can and cannot be/should not be done. It is not a good thing, but my personal view is that it's a necessary evil, and even though it does curtail the reign of consensus somewhat, it needs to be there so that we don't end up 5 years down the line with FlaggedRev v2 (or even DynamicPageList or with a XSS in a highly depended on codebase that somebody wrote back in 2010). (Tbh, the best case scenario is to have a situation like Wikipedia where there are enough technical peeps to steer consensus towards productive and workable good decisions but that's also a pipedream). Sohom (talk) 04:37, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Both parts of your answer there are false in my opinion - the guardrails Phabricator provides are much closer to "stifling" than "very loose" in my experience, and even then they don't stop things like Graph from happening, which fits with a XSS in a highly depended on codebase that somebody wrote back in 2010 almost to a T. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:17, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

@Pppery What do you "very stifling" ? This isn't a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely interested in what you think are cases? My personal experience has been somewhat the opposite I wish there were more gaurdrails sometimes, but I'm well aware that there is a bit of weirdness around rule enforcement in Phabricator, (For example, I've seen developer notes with extremely silly task descriptions which would have definitely seen the wrath of Aklapper if it had been posted by a relatively new user) -- Regarding "XSS" yes, the inclusion of the statement was intentional, I was subtly hinting that it was a best-effort and we still somehow manage to make too many bad decisions in general especially because some WMF teams are treated to a much more lax degree of code review/idea planning pushback and sometimes get to deploy their own walled gardens (which come to bite us back in hindsight. Sohom (talk) 23:14, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

phab:T379526 and the tasks it links to are the strongest example of where I first expressed that position. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:28, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Oh, I do see what you mean, I do expect some strong pushback from a variety of SRE folks but I do agree that there needs to be a way for volunteer developers to add extensions (this is very much a SRE+ WMF team decision but I a process instead of a flat out "no" would be be better). Sohom (talk) 04:10, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Returning to the original topic, the term "sysadmin" is kind of overloaded and referring to lots of many different things. I don't disagree with you that there is a lot of tech geekery involved in sysadminship that you (or other community representatives) might not be qualified to perform, but the WMF technical structure already distinguishes that SRE work from the sort of sysadminship I was referring to of being able to deploy MediaWiki patches, and even offers a prettified interface for it (wikitech:SpiderPig). I think I, and probably you as well, could do fine technically as members of the deployment group. (And when I've scheduled patches for deployment people often think I'm already a deployer). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:28, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Today is the day that I learnt that there was until last a year a program to train deployers for Wikimedia (phab:T354318 is their retrospective task if you are interested in providing thoughts) and the related docs that led me there that is wikitech:Deployments/Training. Personally, the fact that I'm finding out about it after 4 years of doing tech tells me that it wasn't well advertised to the community. Sohom (talk) 04:25, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

I don't think I know enough about the tech side of things to really have an informed opinion here, so I won't make specific recommendations pertaining to this situation. Generally speaking, I've heard that there's a lot of pre-existing technical debt, and I've always wondered why the WMF doesn't prioritize it more. I know that there's more funding going towards that than they're used to be from my talks with the CFO, but if something has been ignored for awhile, it tends to be pretty expensive to fix. My first ever comment on Meta reflected my assumptions about where money goes back when I was 16: . If we're speaking broadly about individual projects not feeling supported, I've heard a lot about that too, especially in regards to what I've done with my petition. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful in regards to what you were probably hoping to here in this circumstance. The only other tech person I know off the top of my head who hasn't already opined would be Chaotic Enby. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:30, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I've always wondered why the WMF doesn't prioritize it more

For a nerd, playing around with AI or making a shiny new interface in JavaScript is fun. It is barely work; nerds do that stuff at home for fun. It is comparable to playing a computer game. It also looks good on a CV.

Rewriting 20 year old PHP code is comparable to cleaning the toilets at a frat house after a tequila-fueled burrito party.

Teams within the WMF decide what they want to work on. The teamleads have a vested interest in being liked by their team.

The best way to make yourself unpopular is to tell nerds that they have to go rewrite 20 year old PHP code.

In normal companies there is someone with a vision who sets out a course and has a slightly adversarial role to other workers because she/he tell them: "you have to do the boring important work before you can play around with fun new toys".

No one is doing the tasks that suck because employees need to be forced to do the tasks that suck but are important. The WMF will never run out of relatively unimportant or even pointless side projects they can bolt on top of a dinosaur codebase.

A wise leader knows employees need fun, so they get perhaps 10 or 20% side project time to make something of their own choosing. But 80-90% is spent doing the actual work that actually is important. Polygnotus (talk) 12:50, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, what Polygnotus said. +1 and +1 again to that. I've been retired for 26 years now from my professional mainframe programming career. In that job I specialized in cleaning the toilets, aka fixing bugs in code written by the original coders, i.e. the nerds who were having fun. I actually enjoy and prefer working that side of the "frat house" over being the party organizer. I guess that makes me an outlier, a member of the very small community of "gnome coders". For all I know I may be a party of one on Wikipedia. I pride myself in managing bullet-proof, bug-free software. In my pro career, I sometimes took on a bit of heat from my manager for that. I was taking too long to finish my assigned task, because I was being too thorough in cleaning up everything rather than being satisfied with making a quick-and-dirty patch. I even fixed bugs that might only surface themselves once a year, because I didn't want to see them happen again on my watch. In March 1999, after management was satisfied that all the stuff I supported was Y2K compliant, they downsized me. Never mind that Y2K was really a trivial problem for them, I knew the company was a dinosaur because none of their stuff was Internet compliant. A week later one of the guys they kept on the payroll unexpectedly died suddenly, opening up a spot for someone recently laid off to be called back. Who did they call? The guy whose project was held together with band aids and was breaking already. My reward for being something of a perfectionist, they didn't miss me. I knew they wouldn't because my stuff ran itself. The Foundation is worried about AI, and what to do about it. Hello, they should give up and not even try. They have neither the resources nor the skills needed to compete with guys like Elon Musk. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, just take advantage of Grok's edits. That's only fair, since they've taken advantage of Wikipedia to train their AI. After over a decade without doing any computer programming, I found my second programming career as a volunteer coder for Wikipedia in 2012, when I took over a bot the community, but not the WMF, viewed as "mission-critical". It took a long time for me to understand and wrap my head around the fact that the WMF wasn't paying someone to support that bot. That bot was developed by a guy from the partying side of the house, who serially develops new things that subsequently bore him after a couple years, so he moves on to work on another new "greenfield" project. Would I be too mean if I called him a "serial creator of technical debt"? Probably. Learning the basics of PHP was relatively easy for me because I found that language to be a lot like the proprietary dialect of FORTRAN I used on mainframes. It took me just a month after the previous operator abandoned that bot to resurrect it from an older version of the code posted by the original developer. The guy he passed it off to made several coding changes but never publicly posted them, so I had to update the code to match the behavior of the most recent version that was running before its operator shut it down and disappeared. More recently I've become a MediaWiki developer by successfully posting a "hello, world" update to the page-moving software, but have been frustratingly stuck with my attempt to make a more substantive MediaWiki enhancement, which was requested in Phabricator over a decade ago. Clovermoss is familiar with my efforts, which are discussed in detail in lengthy sections of my user talk. Too many developers are having fun playing with new language features like object-oriented "factories", without any consideration of whether that makes it easier, or harder, for the gnome coders who actually do the real work. For me, I find that they're making the code harder to follow and understand, not easier. I can understand the WMF not wanting to take on the task in-house, less understandable is their disinterest in even training me so that I can do it myself. I'm thinking about applying for a scholarship to Wikimedia Hackathon 2026, but I suspect that's a conference more focused on showing off people's new greenfield developments than on cleaning toilets. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I'd encourage you to apply anyways. I think you'd do great. At the very least, you'd bring awareness to the issues facing the community by doing so. Sometimes just having a voice in the room does wonders. Sorry I didn't think to ping you earlier, I knew I was forgetting someone. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I'd encourage you to apply as well, WMF is fairly liberal with scholarship in the Hackathons and there are a lot of folks who do fix tech debt at the hackathons! Sohom (talk) 23:15, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I agree with Sohom and Clover above. This world needs more people like Sandra Pankhurst who are not afraid to do the dirty work. Polygnotus (talk) 23:23, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

You aren't a party of one - I'm in your party too. And definitely +1 on "For me, I find that they're making the code harder to follow and understand, not easier" too. And create an inevitable tide of chaos in their wake that others have to clean up after. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:17, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

... and I decided to prove I really am in your party by writing a patch for that more substantive enhancement. Took me about 5 hours, but I would say most of the time was spent thinking through what should happen in edge cases than actually coding per se. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:07, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

And, re Polygnotus, that may be true of most people, but there are a large number of nerds and I'm sure if they tried hard enough they could find people who enjoy rewriting 20-year-old code. I wrote patches to 20-year-old Perl code (the EasyTimeline extension) on a lark last year despite having no prior Perl experience, although I'm not sure whether I did that because I enjoyed it or merely because I felt it needed to be done. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:33, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

True. Unfortunately I have to agree with Mokadoshi that its not just hiring more people, it is also a cultural shift to see technical debt as something worth working on, despite it not being an easily quantifiable metric. Polygnotus (talk) 23:49, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I've been having fun maintaining research code that started as some patches written for Chrome 64! (I guess that is not Wikimedia adjacent at the moment, but I have been trying to chip away at some of UploadWizard when I can, hoping to make more more progress over the winter holidays!) Sohom (talk) 00:24, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

The correct spelling is "Commodore". Polygnotus (talk) 02:36, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Nope, Chrome (or more accurately Chromium) it was. I still haven't encountered any code built for/on top of a Commodore 64 yet (never say never I guess) Sohom (talk) 04:29, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

While there are obvious cons to software sustained through sales or service support contracts, it does have the advantage of providing focus. If technical debt inhibits additional sales or service contract renewals, then a business case can be made for investing in eliminating it. The MediaWiki software doesn't have a direct revenue stream, so like software tools written for internal organization use only, its maintenance is just an expense in the budget. This makes it harder to justify spending significant amounts of money to rebuild existing functionality (until it becomes necessary to fix a security issue, or to develop some crucial new feature). The many examples of failed re-designs of software programs is a deterrent, too.

I do think there are smaller scale fixes that could be more easily resolved. However I'll note this is dependent on whether or not a fix is agreed upon, as the community often has many diverse views on what is the best approach, and there are regression testing and integration costs to be factored in as well. isaacl (talk) 07:23, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

I have voted for you as you sound great and also you are willing to take on this tricky sounding role!!! yay! good luck and also bonjourhello I am an editor in Canada. In warm solidarity, I&I22 (talk) 20:02, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. I will be in touch, at the moment I am still learning on basic navigations. --Ray790 (talk) 13:03, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

@Ray790: Well welcome to Wikipedia. :) I'll leave some links on your talk page that will hopefully help you with your navigation. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:30, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

About DMS --Kipchirichiri (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

How can I start --Kipchirichiri (talk) 00:04, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi Kipchirichiri. I can't really help you with learning how to do digital marketing (the article you were reading). The mentorship program is supposed to be used for asking questions about editing Wikipedia and we don't allow advertising. Is there any chance that you want to write neutral, encyclopedic content instead? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:42, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi there...I'm David from near Toronto, Canada. I've been a user of Wi9kipedia for several years and just made my second donation. I was looking at a page yesterday on Peter Stuyvesant and who was the former Dutch Governor of New York, then known as New Amsterdam in the 1650s. There was a reference to him proclaiming something in 2023...obviously incorrect. I wasn't able to edit it because my DNS was blocked but I signed up today to become an editor and noticed that it had already been corrected. Great minds do indeed, think alike --Drat55 (talk) 04:20, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

@Drat55: Glad to hear the issue was resolved, David. A lot of the time stuff like that is someone messing around and it tends to get reverted fairly quickly. There's been a few times I've fixed older vandalism though, so it's always good to keep an eye out. If you're from Toronto and interested in Wikipedia, there's a club that tends to meet every few months. We'll probably have something set up around Wikipedia Day like we did last year. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:26, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Vandalism...on Wikipedia? Some people have waaaaay too much time on their hands and have to get out of their mother's basement.

I am in Bowmanville which is east of Oshawa so it's quite a trek into Toronto.

Dave Drat55 (talk) 04:31, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

@Drat55: I'm from the Niagara Region so it's even more of a trek for me. But everyone has to have a hobby and editing Wikipedia is my main one. :) I can understand why that'd be too far of a distance for most folks, though. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm closer than you are, plus I'm retired. I'm having surgery on my shoulder on December 4th so maybe I'll need a hobby, especially during recovery Drat55 (talk) 04:43, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

@Drat55: Well I can let you know when there's a set date and you can decide whether or not you want to join. Good luck on your surgery! Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:46, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll look forward to hearing from you. Drat55 (talk) 04:53, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Researching an article and have a question: Is an interview on a platform like youtube acceptable as a reference for some biographical information on the subject of an article provided there are other secondary, verifiable, neutral sources? --Denverma111 (talk) 13:38, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

@Denverma111: The information you're looking for is here. Primary sources are allowed in limited quantities provided the claim isn't unduly self-serving, is about themselves, and there's no reason to believe they'd be lying about it. If you're citing YouTube, make sure to use the {{cite audiovisual media}} template and include the timestamp. Let me know if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:30, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi Clovermoss, it just dawned on me that it might be useful to have my rationale for deleting the two rapist categories on the Homolka Talk page, not just as a side conversation on my Talk page, in case the issue comes up again. I've added the main bit from our discussion. I mentioned you for context; not meant as a critque; you asked a fair question. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:25, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: Thanks for letting me know. I agree it's good to centralize a discussion about article content at the talk page because that's where people would usually look for it. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:31, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Hey, I just stumbled across the G&M article from last July: great write-up! (Was searching for the 10,000 Canada challenge and it came up on the search.) Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 18:12, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

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Sirr my draft is not processesing why ??? Draft:Dacalana vui Maazoz (talk) 07:51, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

@Maazoz: If you want your draft to be reviewed, you can click the "submit my draft for review". It's the blue button at the top of the page. The process can take awhile but someone will get to it once they can after you submit it. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:30, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Great help ,, i submitted it sirr can u review now?? Maazoz (talk) 14:52, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

@Maazoz: Unfortunately I'm going to be quite busy for the forseeable future, but someone will review your draft eventually. There's lots of volunteers that dedicate themselves to working on that backlog specifically. In the meantime, may I suggest you read this guide? It's helpful to know what reviewers are looking for in the first place. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:28, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on November 7. Please help translate.

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Upcoming and current events and conversations
Let's Talk continues

• Board election: The 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees vote has elected two new trustees, Bobby Shabangu (Bobbyshabangu) and Michał Buczyński (Aegis Maelstrom), who will be appointed at the next Board meeting in December 2025.
• Wikipedia 25: Wikipedia is turning 25 and it’s time to party! Register now for Wikipedia’s 25th virtual birthday bash on 15 January at 16:00 UTC.
• Wikimedia Hackathon: The 2026 Wikimedia Hackathon will be taking place in person May 1 - 3, 2026 in Milan, Italy. Scholarship applications are open until November 28.
• Language Community: The next language community meeting will be held on November 28 at 16:00 UTC.

Annual Goals Progress on Infrastructure
See also newsletters: Wikimedia Apps · Growth · Product Safety and Integrity · Readers · Research · Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia · Tech News · Language and Internationalization · other newsletters on MediaWiki.org

• Tech News: Some of the latest updates from Tech News week 46 and 47: Wikimedia Foundation is experimentating with reading lists on mobile web, allowing logged-in readers with no edits to save private lists of articles for later; One new wiki has been created: a Wikisource in Minangkabau.
• Wikifunctions: The second round of voting for naming the wiki with abstract content is kicking off with six name proposals to vote for.
• Reference check: The A/B test for reference check has begun on English Wikipedia and will run until December 17. This is a feature which prompts new editors to add citations before they publish an edit adding content to an article.
• Image browsing: Wikimedia Foundation is launching an experiment called "Image browsing" to test how to make it easier for readers to browse and discover images on Wikipedia articles. This experiment, a mobile-only A/B test, is taking place on on Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Indonesian, and Vietnamese wikis, affecting a small number of users.
• CampaignEvents extension: Campaign events extension is now available on all Wikimedia wikis. The extension offers tools for running and coordinating events and other on-wiki collaborations. These features include Event Registration, Collaboration List, and Invitation List, plus a new feature, Collaborative contribution, which helps organizers and participants see the impact of their collaborative activities. Join the upcoming learning session to see the new feature in action and share your feedback.
• Dark Mode: Dark mode is now available on all Wikimedia projects for all anonymous users! This enhancement aims to deliver a more enjoyable reading experience, especially in dimly lit environments. Learn how to activate this feature.
• Wikimedia Apps: The Activity tab in the Wikipedia Android app is now available for all users. The new tab offers personalized insights into reading, editing, and donation activity, while simplifying navigation and making app use more engaging.
• Usability Improvements: Improvements for talk pages is being rolled out. Users can opt out of these changes in their user preferences in “Show discussion activity.”

Annual Goals Progress on Volunteer Support
See also blogs: Global Advocacy blog · Global Advocacy Newsletter · Policy blog · WikiLearn News · list of movement events

• Wikipedia 25 Press toolkit: Wikimedia Foundation is providing press toolkit as guidance and resources to Wikimedia volunteers and affiliates to spread the word about Wikipedia’s 25th birthday to local and regional media.
• Language and Internationalization: Read some key highlights from the October 2025 edition of the Language and internationalization newsletter.
• Information integrity: Wikimedia Project from South America Selected by the UNESCO Global Initiative for Information Integrity on Climate Change Fund.
• The Wikipedia Library: The Wikipedia Library team attended the CEE Meeting 2025 celebrated a new partnership with Times of Malta.
• Understanding movement organizers: Wikimedia Foundation concluded a literature review on organizers in the Wikimedia movement focused on capturing their personas, motivations, and impact in order to highlight best practices and opportunities for further support.

Annual Goals Progress on Effectiveness
See also: Progress on the annual plan

• Wikimedia Enterprise: Reef Media uses Wikimedia Enterprise Snapshot API to Fact Check and Verify Sources.

Board and Board committee updates
See Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard · Affiliations Committee Newsletter

• Affiliations Committee: Draft recommendations on three strategic areas that need continuous consideration to best support Wikimedia affiliates.

Foundation statements

• Lessons from Wikipedia: The latest edition from the series explores the art of disagreement and how Wikipedia navigates disputes.
• Artificial Intelligence: In the AI era, Wikipedia has never been more valuable. This explainer shows how human-created knowledge isn’t replaceable.

Other Movement curated newsletters & news
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MediaWiki message delivery 17:30, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi Hannah, hope you're doing well. Nothing personal but I reverted the move of Source Code to Source Code (film) as requested by Erik at RMTR. Also agree that per page views alone it seems the film remains primary topic, but either way it was stable as ptopic for sometime so have moved disambig page to Source Code (disambiguation). Regards, CNC (talk) 09:53, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

@CommunityNotesContributor: That's fine. I figured a memoir by Bill Gates would've been a bigger deal than that, but I guess I was wrong if page views are so different? I don't really have strong feelings either way. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:13, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I was referring to the pageviews here before the move. I think just in general, film articles do get more attention on Wikipedia than book articles. A case could be made per WP:PT2 that the memoir has more enduring notability than the film, but it's probably too soon right now to determine that. Feel free to start a RM discussion if you want to see how it goes. Otherwise, we could put a link to the memoir in the film article's hatnote. Erik (talk | contrib) 16:48, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

@Erik: I think it's a bit sad that books are probably lesser known compared to films with the same name, but you're probably right. I don't feel the need to start an RM. Hopefully this isn't something that is frequent enough to really matter, but if there is somehow a next time, I can undo a disputed page move a bit faster than it takes to request someone else to do it. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:54, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't realize you had the tools, otherwise I would have requested it. I just couldn't figure out why the move log didn't show the "revert" link in this case (I'm not that involved in page moving beyond the basics). Cheers, Erik (talk | contrib) 17:00, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Hey Hannah!

So, something I’ve sought out to do with making my account is to upload an article that is a translation of the Spanish-written article for the 1900 Costa Rican novel, but asides from a (kinda sketchy looking) website that allows me to submit a request for that article to be started, I’m not really seeing any options for me to create a Wikipedia article. 😅

Is that normal? --Ge$ell$ch4ft (talk) 13:44, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

@Ge$ell$ch4ft: Please don't go looking at other websites for creating Wikipedia articles (see WP:SCAM). What you want to do is read this and this. There's also Wikipedia:Requested articles but that can take awhile. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:19, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Dear Mentor, I have been failing continously, whenever I am working on WP:CORP articles, I would like to write an article under your mentorship on any corporate, which you mention. And understand the guidelines, Can you guide me? - Filmybuff (talk) 07:13, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

@Filmybuff: May I ask why you are so interested in writing an article about a company? Is it a specific company or just companies in general? The reason I ask is that people who are motivated to do this typically have a conflict-of-interest of some kind. That doesn't mean I won't help you understand where you're going wrong (and some things, like a lack of notability, can't be "fixed"), but there are specific things to keep in mind if that does apply to your situation. For example, if you're a paid editor, you're required to disclose this. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:43, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

@Clovermoss I would be frank and I have no connects, nor Wikipedia is a source of income for me. I have been good at film articles and want to explore other guidelines too.

I have no interest in writing specific company, Nor I would be writing about any company, which I am associated or related too. As I belong to India, I can write about companies in Europe or Africa, which is not even related to me.

If you feel I am genuine, You can help me regarding the same. Thank you - Filmybuff (talk) 06:20, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@Filmybuff: Well, I tend to believe people are telling the truth unless they give me reason to believe otherwise, so thank you for telling me that. I don't really have much experience writing articles about film companies, but maybe someone at Wikipedia:WikiProject India or Wikipedia:WikiProject Film would be able to help? I can try to help you understand what Wikipedia considers a reliable source or what counts towards notability, but beyond that those places are probably the best to look for people who want to collaborate on the actual articles. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:24, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello Hannah, Thanks for offering to help. At this time, I'm focusing on updating and revising a friend's Wikipedia page. How do I replace a 14-year-old photo on the page with a recent photo? Don --ConserveDRB (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi ConserveDRB (Don), please check out this guide for contributing with a conflict of interest. There's also a guide for uploading images. Let me know if you find any of that confusing or have further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:33, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

I also see that you deny having a conflict of interest on your talk page. Being friends with someone and being asked to update their article is a pretty clear cut COI under Wikipedia's definition of the term. It doesn't mean you can't make or suggest edits, you just have to be transparent about the connection when doing so. Hence why I linked the guide above. Hope that helps. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:35, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@ConserveDRB: - I'm neither Clovermoss nor even an admin, but I do have a certain experience and interest in putting images on Wikipedia articles. Can I take the liberty to offer my help? --GRuban (talk) 05:18, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Good morning, As a newcomer to Wikipedia, it would have been helpful if Tacyarg had offered an identify/affiliation with Wikipedia in the initial message. Without that, I expected someone was purposefully interfering with my work.

Regarding this Fred Clark (politician) article, there is a lot of information to be added after years of neglect. While the Wikipedia guidelines you provided define me as having a conflict of interest because I know Clark, I can reassure you I am a volunteer and that I was asked to update the article because of my professional background as a newspaper reporter.

Having said that, is my only alternative to use something called the talk page to suggest edits?

Thanks again for your help. Are you an admin? ConserveDRB (talk) 16:04, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

She is an admin but that technically just means she's got a few more buttons on her UI that she can press. We all of us, Clover, Tacyarg, and myself - even you - have as much "identity/affiliation with Wikipedia" as anyone, it's almost entirely a volunteer organization. The main thing the three of us have that you don't is more experience. Read the links she offered by clicking the blue words in her comment, they will tell you what you need to know. That's how we got experience. If you want specific help with the image, you can click on my user name, and select "Email this user - Wikipedia" (or click it here now that I've linked it) and I can give more detailed help in email if you prefer. --GRuban (talk) 17:08, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

How to delete an untrue statement --Max Cornwall (talk) 17:52, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@Max Cornwall: Usually you can click the "edit" button and remove the text from the article. If there isn't a citation to a reliable source to support it, that's generally uncontroversial. If there is a source, things get a bit more complicated. If you can't edit an article directly, it may be protected. If that's the case, you can make an edit request. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:09, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Max Cornwall (talk) 08:09, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi Hannah! I have a draft of my article, but I'm not ready to publish it yet. How do I save it to my sandbox? When I try to close the page, I get a message saying my changes have not been saved. Thank you! Jennifer --VoMo Productions (talk) 18:07, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Nevermind! I figured it out. I was confused about the term "publish." --VoMo Productions (talk) 18:17, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@VoMo Productions: Glad you figured it out. You're not the first person to find that confusing. Since you're here, may I ask that you read our username policy? Accounts generally shouldn't imply shared use. If you work for a company named that, it's usually better to ask to be renamed to something like "Firstname at company". We also have a guide for contributing with a conflict of interest. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:11, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I submitted a username change to Vogel_Jen. Thank you! VoMo Productions (talk) 20:35, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello Hannah, are you a bot or a real person? --JaySmylz (talk) 15:03, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@JaySmylz: I'm a real person. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:20, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

It's great to connect with you. I will reach out to you if I have any questions. JaySmylz (talk) 09:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello Hannah, I published an article but it has not reflected, any reason why ? --Agbodo1z (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@Agbodo1z: You published your draft to your user page. I moved your draft to Draft:Sogakofe Senior High School and added a template. If you want to submit your draft for review, click the blue button. Let me know if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:59, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello there, I posted another article. Please check it out for me. Agbodo1z (talk) 05:56, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Commiserations on the ArbCom election result. Better luck next time I hope.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:17, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: Thanks for the kitten. I'm very much a cat person. I'm pretty chill about it all, to be quite frank. I'm proud that I stayed true to my values and myself despite immense pressure, which I think is a really important quality to have as an arb because you're going to make some people unhappy no matter what. So I'm glad that I got some more practice there. Everything has worked out okay in the end. I mainly signed up because it seemed like we wouldn't have enough candidates (there were only 4 people before I signed up on the last day). I was willing to undertake that serious time commitment because I care deeply about the project and ArbCom is a crucial part of that. But I'm also very much okay with not having to add more stress into my life and focusing on other things. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Remember, you are always welcome on Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history! I was taken aback by the response to your book review. I write three or four book reviews a month for the Bugle and it never occurred to me that anyone would think that they contained anything other than my own opinions. (Who else would have them?) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Commiserations from me, too. Or should I say congratulations on surviving the campaign and not getting stuck with all that work :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 21:33, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I absolutely concur with Yngvadottir. There are much better things that you can and will do for the movement for a good while, and I am sure that's what the voters were thinking. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:48, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

I realize that you're trying to be supportive here (and I appreciate that), but the only role that would've required me to do anything at all is ArbCom. It's a way of removing my agency. I don't owe anyone anything, really. The people pleasing runs hard and I have my own goals that tend to align with other people's, but there shouldn't be an underlying assumption that it will. Generally speaking, it's a bit frustrating to have people tell me that they opposed me because they want me to do something else (this is a thing that people have told me, others have said it's because I'm too stubborn and emotional). What's "stubborn" when applied to a woman often tends to be "confident" and "assertive" in a man. Perceiving being in one tune with one's emotions and the ones of others as being a negative trait is also something that men are more likely to do. I don't think people are trying to be sexist, but the reaction people had when I even dared mention that other women had told me privately that they think it may have had an influence convinced me even further that maybe there really is something to what they're saying. Because if something isn't true, it's not a threat to bring it up. I often tend to challenge social norms and assumptions about the way things should be done. I think that tends to unnerve people more than my gender, but I think it's a positive leadership trait rather than a negative one. I do think that I might've been held to a higher standard than other candidates were, though. Two of the elected candidates didn't answer all of the questions. Another candidate that wasn't elected and did a very controversial unblock regarding harrassment (instead of me emailing someone to apologize and not realizing how that might be perceived), didn't have anyone bring it up on their discussion page. Most of the other candidates were hardly discussed at all and I don't think it's because they were inherently more qualified than I am. To people who aren't familiar with me, it makes me look I'm more controversial than I am, when even some of my opposers think they're doing it "for my own good". It's hard not to wonder if maybe there was a connection behind being the only person to openly identify as a woman in this election and a discussion page that looks like this. And that's without accounting for what people told me privately when people were trying to convince me to withdraw. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:04, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi Clover, just figured I'd check in on you since you've been one of my favorite admins since the editor reflections. I'm glad you're still going to stick around, and I hope you don't take this result as the community not wanting you. You were Wikipedian of the Year for a reason, after all! I'm sorry about some of the things that were said, and I imagine the private ones were the worst. Just know that there are a lot of people on this site (myself included) who are very fond of you. Happy editing! :) QuicoleJR (talk) 16:48, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm definitely sticking around but I'm definitely going to putting myself first more often, too. I sacrifice a lot of time and energy here that would serve me better IRL if I redirected more of it elsewhere. I've been doing this because I care (and I'm glad enough people volunteered that there ended up being enough candidates for seats). But I'm also not going to stop being outspoken when I see a problem, because nothing gets better if no one ever says anything or tries in the first place. I think it's important that such things don't get swept under the rug even if people take issue with the fact that that's who I am and who I'll always be. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:37, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

I couldn't have said it better myself. I believe in the importance of doing what's right, even when difficult, and it's a guide I always try to follow. Above all, keep being you, because you make this project (and the world) better. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:00, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

You are too positive and good of a candidate for wikipedia- one day they will realise why they are wrong and why people like you are needed and great for wikipedia and they will understand your worth then. You are a role model for lots of people here. Keep being great and strong, don't let the probable sexism get you down. All great positive transformative stuff is opposed at first, one day your time will come. Keep being a great editor and admin and person till then. And thank you for all you do on wikipedia, and for your confidence and the strength and power of your spirit. HSLover/DWF (talk) 07:26, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

The discussion phase of the December 2025 administrator elections is officially open. As a reminder, the schedule of the election is:

• Dec 4–8 - Discussion phase (we are here)
• Dec 9–15 - SecurePoll voting phase
• Scrutineering phase

We are currently in the discussion phase. The candidate subpages are open to questions and comments from everyone, in the same style as a request for adminship. You may discuss the candidates at Wikipedia:Administrator elections/December 2025/Discussion phase.

On December 9, we will start the voting phase. The candidate subpages will close to public questions and discussion, and everyone will have a week to use the SecurePoll software to vote, which uses a secret ballot. You can see who voted, but not who they voted for. Please note that the vote totals cannot be made public until after voting has ended and as such, it will not be possible for you to see an individual candidate's totals during the election. You must be extended confirmed to vote.

Once voting concludes, we will begin the scrutineering phase, which typically lasts between a couple days and a week. Once everything is certified, the results will be posted on the results page (you may want to watchlist this page) and transcluded to the main election page. In order to be granted adminship, a candidate who has not been recalled must have received at least 70.0% support, calculated as Support / (Support + Oppose), and must also have received a minimum of 20 support votes. A candidate that has been recalled must have at least 55.0% support. Because this is a vote and not a consensus, there are no bureaucrat discussions ("crat chats").

Any questions or issues can be asked on the election talk page. Thank you for your participation. Happy electing.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I've been embarking on copyedit missions across Wikipedia from my homepage (the user flow is beautiful) and I've been struggling to identify the biased language in most articles. Are there any obvious signs to look out for, or any guides that can describe this in greater detail?

If I can sneak another question in here... I saw a section in the user preferences for profiles on other sites. Can a personal website be put there, and can I link to a personal website from my talk page? Thank you! --Mohit Gore | he/him (Sadly, the rest of this signature was eaten by an evil kumquat.) 20:15, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

@Mohitgore: Glad to hear you're having a good time so far. It sounds like you have an interest in our neutral point of view policy. That page has plenty of examples. This page explains what you can have in userspace. A link to your personal website should be fine, but don't write several paragraphs about how awesome you are and how people should buy your stuff. Pretty straightforward, but you'd be surprised how many people try to turn us into Yellow Pages. Never feel like you have to limit your questions. I might be around less often for the next little while because I have some complicated real life stuff I'm trying to deal with, so your questions might get answered by a different mentor through the module. But I'll still be around if you want to talk to me personally (just click new section on this page whenever you feel like). Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Clovermoss. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Prince Albert School Study".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:06, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2025).

Administrator changes

• Chaotic Enby
• Rjjiii

Valereee

• Fathoms Below
• Tamzin

CheckUser changes

Spicy

Technical news

• Starting on November 4, the IP addresses of logged-out editors are no longer being publicly displayed. Instead, they will have a temporary account associated with their edits.
• Administrators will now find that Special:MergeHistory is now significantly more flexible about what it can merge. It can now merge sections taken from the middle of the history of the source (rather than only the start) and insert revisions anywhere in the history of the destination page (rather than only the start). T382958

Miscellaneous

• The December 2025 administrator elections are scheduled from Nov 25 – Dec 15.
• An Articles for Creation backlog drive is happening in December 2025, with over 1,000 drafts awaiting review from the past two months. In addition to AfC participants, all administrators and new page patrollers can help review using the Yet Another AFC Helper Script, which can be enabled in the Gadgets settings. Sign up here to participate!

The voting phase of the December 2025 administrator elections has started and will continue until Dec 15 at 23:59 UTC. You can participate in the voting phase at Wikipedia:Administrator elections/December 2025/Voting phase.

As a reminder, the schedule of the election is:

• Dec 9–15 - SecurePoll voting phase
• Scrutineering phase

In the voting phase, the candidate subpages close to public questions and discussion, and everyone who qualifies to vote has a week to use the SecurePoll software to vote, which uses a secret ballot. You can see who voted, but not who they voted for. Please note that the vote totals cannot be made public until after voting has ended and as such, it will not be possible for you to see an individual candidate's vote total during the election. The suffrage requirements are similar to those at RFA.

Once voting concludes, we will begin the scrutineering phase, which will last for a few days, perhaps longer. Once everything is certified, the results will be posted on the results page (this is a good page to watchlist), and transcluded to the main election page. In order to be granted adminship, a non-recall candidate must have received at least 70.0% support, calculated as Support / (Support + Oppose), and a minimum of 20 support votes. Recall candidates must achieve 55.0% support. Because this is a vote and not a consensus, there are no bureaucrat discussions ("crat chats").

Any questions or issues can be asked on the election talk page. Thank you for your participation. Happy electing.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:06, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on November 21. This will be the final bulletin for 2025 and we'll be back in late January 2026 with the next issue. Please help translate.

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Upcoming and current events and conversations
Let's Talk continues

• CEO appointment: The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees has appointed Bernadette Meehan as the new CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation. She will be meeting communities around the puzzle globe when she officially joins on January 20, 2026.
• Wikipedia's 25th birthday party: Join the virtual celebration for games, prizes, musical performances, volunteer spotlights, data visualization, surprise guests and more. January 15 at 16:00 UTC. Register on Meta.
• Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees: Join the next Conversation with the Trustees on December 11 at 17:30 UTC.

Annual Goals Progress on Infrastructure
See also newsletters: Wikimedia Apps · Growth · Product Safety and Integrity · Readers · Research · Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia · Tech News · Language and Internationalization · other newsletters on MediaWiki.org

• Wishathon: 15 patches were written and 5 merged, as part of a Wishathon for the Community Wishlist. One wish from the community was completed ("Preview page with this template" should not work with pages that do not transclude the template), and three more now have a clearer path forward.
• Activity Tab on Mobile App: The Wikipedia iOS app is running an experiment that replaces the History tab with a redesigned Activity tab. This new tab surfaces personalized insights about reading, editing, and donations — all stored locally on your device for privacy. The goal is to see whether the new experience increases engagement and retention among logged-in readers.
• Wikipedia Year in Review in Apps: The Wikipedia Year in Review 2025 is now available for the iOS and Android apps. This year introduces new personalized insights, updated reading highlights, and refreshed designs.
• Add a Link: A feature that suggests links to be added to articles based on a prediction model, Add a link, has been deployed at Japanese, Urdu and Chinese Wikipedias. While this feature has already been available on most Wikipedias, the prediction model could not support certain languages. A new model has now been developed to handle these languages, and it will be gradually rolled out to other Wikipedias over time.
• Abstract Wikipedia: The second round of voting on the name of Abstract Wikipedia concluded with Abstract Wikipedia as the top-voted name with 100 votes, followed by Wikigenerator with 91 votes. The name for the wiki project will now remain Abstract Wikipedia.
• Anti-vandalism tool: Automoderator, now has the option to choose between two machine learning models to power the software on wikis using the tool.
• Tools to support newcomers: Newcomers failing to add a citation to support added content has been one of the most common mistakes on Wikipedia. Reference Check, a tool that prompts them to add a citation before publishing an edit, has gone live for an A/B test on English Wikipedia.
• Tech News: Latest updates from Tech News week 48 and week 49 include the Foundation working on improving the text and presentation of the Verification Email sent to new users to make them more welcoming, useful, and informative; and two new wikis being created: a Wikipedia in Toki Pona and a Wikiquote in Nigerian Pidgin.
• Infrastructure: Unifying our mobile and desktop domains achieved 20% faster mobile response times, improved SEO, and reduced infrastructure load.

Annual Goals Progress on Volunteer Support
See also blogs: Global Advocacy blog · Global Advocacy Newsletter · Policy blog · WikiLearn News · list of movement events

• Legal win in France: Wikimedia Foundation secures crucial legal win in France against legal attacks on freedom of speech.
• CEE Hub: Overview of three years of growth, learning, and regional impact of CEE Hub.
• Don't Blink: The latest developments from around the world about protecting the Wikimedia model, its people and its values.
• Digital Violence: How the Wikimedia movement is responding to digital gender based violence.
• Wikimedia Research Showcase: The next research showcase will feature a special panel on "Experimentation on Wikipedia" and will take place on December 10 at 17:30 UTC.

Annual Goals Progress on Effectiveness
See also: Progress on the annual plan

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MediaWiki message delivery 04:50, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Can't believe I'm the first person to say this: Well done for becoming a member of the CBC!! I never though you would be part of a news organisation, let alone a major national one!. I hope for the best, after seeing the ArbCom result. JuniperChill (talk) 20:56, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@JuniperChill: Well, I'm not a journalist yet (although I do hope to get my science fiction trilogy finished and published as mentioned in the author bio). I just convinced CBC to publish a specific essay. But it's really cool to have officially published anything at all, especially in something so prominent. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:35, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

That is really cool. Congratulations! QuicoleJR (talk) 14:34, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Super cool. CBC is a big deal! Congrats. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:18, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Happy holidays and a prosperous 2026!

Clover, it has been yet another year and I am back at the same date and time as last year and two years ago. If I was smart about awarding AWOT, I would've done it at a more meaningful time than 20:52 UTC on 12 December. But no point trying to change the past. I know this year had some harder wiki events, and in my personal life things are also getting a little more sticky. But you made it. I made it. We made it. It was awesome seeing you again at WCNA—even if that weekend was not the brightest spot—and I am really hoping to see you at Wikimania in Paris! The best to you and yours in this holiday season, Hannah :)

HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:51, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

The Canadian wheelchair basketball player I was referring to the other day (but could not remember her surname) was Erica Gavel. Note that I haven't updated her article since 2016. And being a Canadian article, nobody else has either. Sigh. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:02, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: Updating biographies of living people is quite a prominent issue, and not just for Canadians. I know one editor that avoids biographies entirely until the person is dead because it's difficult to keep them updated. I think part of the way to solve this problem more generally speaking is to omit certain personal details that are more likely to become outdated compared to other things (general area someone lives, relationship status, how many children they have, etc) especially for more borderline notable figures. Anyways, some examples of the lack of quality Canadian content off the top of my head include all the redlinks at List of public libraries in Ontario, articles included in Category:Cities in Ontario, how there isn't a Canadian counterpart to Child labor in the United States, the general quality of articles like birth alerts, disc numbers, etc. I have a to-do list that barely scratches the surface here as well. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:50, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

All the articles we had created on Australian Olympic women water polo players were stricken at GAR on the basis that they had not been updated. With athletes, they often don't do much that is notable after they retire from sport. One wrote to us to complain that he had an article based on winning an Olympic gold medal long ago but he had been working as an artist since and that is dismissed in his article with a single sentence. We could only tell him that he was notable as an athlete but not yet as an artist. Your idea of omitting details likely to become outdated is a good one and I'm surprised that I did not think of it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:30, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: Well I've always thought it to be one of the more obvious solutions even if I rarely have the opportunity to say so. BLPs are complicated. I think part of this is a reflection of people's tendency to reflect the way they perceive the world around them. I try my best to follow my fairly esoteric version of the golden rule (which essentially is never assume that what I would want is necessarily the same thing that someone else would want even if I still tend to use the original analogy as a rule of thumb and that unfortunately leads to the occasional mistake). Valuing autonomy tends to lead to the best outcomes when what is "right" can vary by person. People have varying levels of what they feel comfortable sharing with the world. A lot of people are notable for the one thing they're well known for and not outside of that. Athletes are actually a really good example of this. I'd imagine most people do not recognize the local Home Depot employee as an Olympian. So it makes sense that people like that would want less personal information broadly available.

On the flip side, some people see some very personal experiences as crucial to knowing who they are as a person. I've always been fairly open about the fact I've had a traumatic childhood and in the hypothetical scenerio where I was more notable and this was relevant, I'd be somewhat offended if someone decided on my behalf that it'd be morally wrong to exclude a pretty crucial part of what made me the person I am today (I also think intentionality matters... the source for something like this should be an interview where the person in question is sharing such personal information quite publically and not something like digging through years old social media posts that they probably wouldn't have written if they'd imagined someone would cite it as a reference on Wikipedia). I don't think it should be all that radical to generally offer more sympathy to BLP subjects but I've definitely seen people act unintentionally (or even intentionally) cruel to people simply because they have a COI. I think a big part of what causes that is jadedness from dealing with spammers and concern that allowing biography subjects the autonomy to remove certain biographical details would affect our editorial processes in a bad way. But I think there's a meaningful difference between someone asking that we don't include some arbitrary thing about their personal lives vs whitewashing a political scandal. Generally, I've seen things trend in a better direction the past few years regarding this. But I do worry that sometimes people go too much the other way, assuming that every BLP subject would never want an article and must think it's horrible. I spend a lot of time following Wikipedia-related content on the Internet and a lot of people are fairly ambivalent about an article's existence.

Another fairly radical take of mine is that we should be more sympathetic to COI editors. I'm not saying open the floodgates and let promotional spam in. But people who are genuinely interested in following our rules (which are way more lenient than the unwritten social ones of don't even think about an article about you or anywhere you've ever worked) should not be shamed for it. I think that only pushes that stuff farther underground to the UPE scammers who take advantage of our hidden through obscurity processes. Actual neutral writing should be the goal, even if it's exceedingly rare. I'm in the rare boat of actually having walked the walk a little here. I nominated the first version of an article about me for deletion. Then, when there was more available sourcing, I submitted a draft to AfC which was accepted. I cared more about the fact that I showed an autobiography could technically be done (leading by example) than whether or not the actual article existed. I'm one of the fairly ambivalent people. I also care a lot about consistency. It's really interesting to see where people draw the lines on such things (the first version of the article, with 1 local newspaper source had a lot more enthiuastic keep votes). I've learned over time that a lot of this is disagreement about how SNGs/GNG applies and who shows up to an AfD often affects the outcome more than one might expect because people can make solid PAG-based !votes in completely different directions. This is partially why I've become more sympathetic to the people who are paranoid about sockpuppets even if I think a lot of the time that paranoia causes more harm than good. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:57, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the final newsletter of 2025!

In this edition, we’ll walk you through the major updates, experiments, and improvements in the Wikipedia mobile apps during October, November, and early December.

What must I do with the same references in Ulmus glabra 'Gittisham'? But perhaps I've encountered a reference loop here. --Henrydat (talk) 17:37, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

@Henrydat: I took a look at your reference and it looks like you're trying to cite a Wikipedia mirror. So, I'd strongly recommend that you read our page about what is considered a reliable source first. But you do have the basic formatting down! If you want to reuse a reference, what you do is go into where it says <ref> and add a "name" to the reference. Like this: <ref name="Clover"/>. I hope that helps. This page has some other tips when it comes to references that might be useful as well. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:03, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Because they were written quite similarly, I thought it was sourced from there before I realized the issue. I think I should learn how to add references before writing something; they're very complicated. What are your comments on the references I added to Eriocoma hymenoides? They don't look alike. Thanks. Henrydat (talk) 18:34, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

@Henrydat: It looks fine formatting-wise and it's definitely a more reliable source. Keep it up. :) If you're really into plants, you should reach out to MtBotany. You might be able to collaborate on an article together. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:40, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

I chose biology as my subject and I like it. Thanks. Henrydat (talk) 18:49, 17 December 2025 (UTC)