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Nicholas Clinch assistance
Hi, Jim. I'm brand new here. I'm Nicholas Clinch's daughter Lee. I read the articles on neutrality and verifiability and conflict of interest before posting.
Obviously I want to maintain a tone of factual neutrality. My primary concern in editing his article, which someone else started, is that it had major factual gaps. I can fill them out but referencing is a little tough. For instance:
I know when he attended Stanford because I have his diplomas. I know his family members' names because I'm one of them. I know his history with the American Alpine Club, National Geographic, and so on because I've got his papers in my garage. Also we talked about it at dinner every night for 20 years.
What should my reference approach be on basic issues such as names of his parents?
Also, I have information that probably can't be sourced in published materials, such as why he started climbing (sent to summer camp, age ten).
Your assistance is most welcome. Glad to have another mountaineer on board. BTW, it's delightful to read above references to people I know such as Jules Eichorn, Glen Dawson, and other old-school mountaineers who were my family's friends since before I was born. Coachlbridges (talk) 05:36, 10 February 2020 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:141D:9:E92:1D99:A203:AF57 (talk) 05:31, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Coachlbridges, and thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Yes, I climbed with Jules Eichorn in the 1970s and have written the biographies of Glen Dawson and many other climbers associated with the Sierra Club. I was not a great climber like your father was, but merely an adequate recreational climber with a deep love for the High Sierra and its history. I compare myself to a little league baseball player working on biographies of members of the Baseball Hall of Fame. After 10-1/2 years editing this encyclopedia, I have a good understanding of how Wikipedia works, and its policies and guidelines. Everything that follows is based on a deep respect for your father's accomplishments combined with adherence to the standards of the encyclopedia.
- You added his daughter's names (including your own name) and that is OK because the two of you are mentioned in your father's New York Times obituary so that information is verifiable. You also added his parent's names (your grandparents) and I have absolutely no reason to doubt you, but that information is not cited to a reliable source. I believe you personally, but how can a random reader believe you since (as far as I know) no reliable sources mention his parent's names? Please be aware that verifiability is a core content policy and is both mandatory and non-negotiable. The anecdote about his childhood illness and why he attended that summer camp is a good example of that problem. If that story is described in a reliable source about your father, then it can be included. If that story has never been published before, then I am sorry but it does not belong on Wikipedia at this time. That is because Wikipedia's integrity depends on summarizing only what has previously been published in reliable sources.
- I suggest that you go through his papers that you have in your garage, and make a stack consisting of reliable, independent published sources describing your father's accomplishments and career. Those can be used as references in his Wikipedia biography. The other things, like personal correspondence, unpublished expedition memos and the like, could be used to write an article about your father's accomplishments in a reputable mountaineering journal. Once published, that article could be a source for your father's Wikipedia biography. Please do not make such additions yourself because of your conflict of interest. Work with me, and I will assist you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:41, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much, Jim. This is very, very helpful. It had not occurred to me to write a mountaineering journal article and use that as a source, primarily because I would be referencing myself, which seems somewhat circular. However, in his papers there are a number of articles about his career from such publications as the L.A. Times, National Geographic, and the American Alpine Club Journal. I hope one of them mentioned his time at summer camp, only because it was there that his passion for mountain climbing formed and thus I felt it was relevant to the rest of the article.
- I want to avoid random anecdotes that do not serve to tell a common chronological thread about his life. Basically I'm just trying to add a modicum of context. One significant item that was cited in his awards is that he achieved his mountaineering goals despite asthma, poor eyesight, and a tendency to be underweight. Since his peers felt this was remarkable, I feel it merits brief inclusion, but only if I can source.
- I will take a look through the archives and see what I can come up with and go from there. In the meantime I can delete the summer camp reference. I think his parents' names and occupations should be an easier find.
- I don't know to what extent, if any, the article calls for any expansion of his major expeditions based on what was already published: for instance, other expedition members, dates, etc. Basically this would be a summary/rehash of his National Geographic articles, so it may not be useful.
- FYI Lee Bridges is my name because I changed it when I married. I coach sports; hence coachlbridges.Coachlbridges (talk) 06:55, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hello again, Coachlbridges, and I hope that it is OK if I call you Lee. You have already displayed a much better understanding of Wikipedia's basic policies than almost all new editors I have dealt with, so I am happy to work with you.
- FYI Lee Bridges is my name because I changed it when I married. I coach sports; hence coachlbridges.Coachlbridges (talk) 06:55, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- In my opinion, Lee, it would be perfectly acceptable to summarize the articles from National Geographic if they are referenced properly. If your father was the author, they need to be used cautiously in his own biography. I have a big stack of National Geographics that I have found at antique shops and flea markets over the years, all issues with articles about mountaineering, and I have used those as references in a variety of Wikipedia articles. Your father's major expeditions were major events in his life story and more detail about those climbs is entirely appropriate. As for details about the participation of other expedition members, that might best be included in the biographies of those climbers. Expanding one Wikipedia article often leads to expanding several more. That process led me to work on improving hundreds of articles.
- If, as I suggested, you actually wrote an article about your father that was published in a reliable journal, then I would be happy to add it to your father's biography. All you have to do is ask.
- In conclusion, I am willing to offer whatever help you need to become a productive Wikipedia editor, and I thank you for contributing. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:39, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Do you bold your username because you are an admin?
I'm wondering if admins on wikipedia always have bolded usernames --Disoff (talk) 21:34, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Disoff. There is no connection between my custom signature and the fact that I am an administrator. I had that signature for several years before I became an administrator. Many administrators have standard signatures. It is entirely a matter of personal preference. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:11, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Neuromusculoskeletal Medicine
Hello Jim:
I am also named Jim. Grew up in southern Illinois near St. Louis, practiced in New Mexico for 33 years, and now working at the University of Bridgeport for the past 15 years. Since 2013, I have served as the program director for the chiropractic neuromusculoskeletal medicine residency, which offers evaluation and management services, clinical training, and research within Federally Qualified Health Centers in Connecticut.
At this time, I serve as the program director of the neuromusculoskeletal medicine residency offered by the University of Bridgeport, School of Chiropractic Medicine. This is the second attempt at edification of the neuromusculoskeletal medicine article. I offered references in the past with the first redaction. Recently, someone removed my redaction. Hence, I attempted correcting the article. It is untrue that only osteopaths offer neuromusculoskeletal medicine or provide neuromusculoskeletal medicine residencies as claimed in the article.
Here are references that support my statements regarding chiropractic neuromusculoskeletal medicine training and credentialing.
I would appreciate your assistance with this edification process.
Respectfully,
Jim Lehman James J. Lehman, DC, MBA, FIANM Director Community Health Clinical Education University of BridgeportJameslehman (talk) 13:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Jameslehman. My talk page is not the proper place to list a bunch of references. If you want to edit the articles in question, then use the best of the references there. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)










