User talk:Dev920/Archive6

Please take this back Dev . After the civility concerns raised in your RfA that's not a good move. If you want me to have a look at the latest problems with this article and comment I shall do so. But comments like that don't help. Chill, WJBscribe 18:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I've just seen this edit summary as well. Gosh Dev, please don't edit when angry. Take a deep breath, eat some chocolate or something... WJBscribe 18:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

So are we all ready? I suggest (since this was a challenge thing) we each review the other three articles on the talk pages and consense to the new ratings - any objections? The four articles are:

• Trembling Before G-d, stub - Dev920 (Have a nice day!)
• Morris Kight, stub -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)
• Declaration of Montreal, stub. WJBscribe
• Anne Fleming (writer), stub - Jeffpw

-- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. The page has been created Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Articles. Let me know if you'd like any help tagging articles. Ingrid 21:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dev 920! My apologies, I assumed (improperly) that you were male, and I thank you for your correct. Best regards, CHAIRBOY (☎) 22:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I’ll be staying away from marriage for the next week to give you time to cool off.--Riferimento 22:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Now I feel bad. I am hot tempered too, and I purposely tried to aggravate you, which is wrong. I hope you come back, and yes it is a nasty page, and sometimes it’s me that is being nasty. One of the problems with this page is we are always losing are best editors. Take care--Riferimento 23:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

In light of your past discussions with CyberAnth on the subject, you might want to review and comment on this proposal: Wikipedia:BLP Admin. WJBscribe 03:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Mmm, you needn't concerns yourself with this after all. The proposal... well lets just say it didn't get the support of the community... WJBscribe 04:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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I appreciate the invitation to join WikiProject LGBT studies and I accept. --Clay 09:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dev,

just wanted to let you know I appreciate your work and your ledership of the project, and that I mean no harm. We may disagree about bisexual identity, and I see from this page and others that you tend toward strident debate, but that's fine with me as long as I know that we aren't stressing each other out or making it more difficult for others to contribute.

Hope that's all OK. - Petra

White hotel 16:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Haha. 'wikibreak'? You want wikifries with that? ;) I'm still getting used to the culture here.

I hope your stresses, whatever they may be, resolve themselves. Take care.White hotel 16:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry that I didn't join up with the project. I placed the userbox on my user page to show I have interest in the project more then I was a member of it. Of course, I will help out where ever I can. --Pinkkeith 15:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, I accept --Larrybob 16:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer to join WP:LGBT; sadly, I'm too busy to commit to a new project. But I'd definitely appreciate it if you showed me the correct way to tag LGBT (and other) articles! The whole thing is a little mysterious to me. -Danspalding 17:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I have already downloaded the necessary crap and plan on recording James Robert Baker myself. Jeffpw 17:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I just asked my husband, and according to him I have "a light, cultured American accent". I've spent approximately 50% of my life outside the states, so my accent is rather a mish-mash of all the places I've spent substantial amounts of time. You'll get to hear it soon. :-)Jeffpw 17:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. I just wanted to say I think this is a great idea. I'd love to do 'my' article myself, but I've endured enough americans snickering over my 'heavy british accent' to even consider trying it. :-) Is there any other way I could help? Cheers Raystorm 17:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to hear your accent, Raystorm, and I promise I wouldn't snicker! Go for it! Jeffpw 18:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I think British accents are sexy! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, you say that now Jeff, but you would snicker! Besides, I just got back to Madrid, so it'll just take two days for my British accent to be 'contaminated' (and eventually overtaken, until I return to the UK) by my Spanish one. And even though Spanish accents are quite sexy (hehe), I don't think they'd serve the purpose here. So the point is moot until I return to the Isles. ;-) I'd love to hear your 'light, cultured american accent' though! And Satyr, I fully agree with you, but the ones that really drive me crazy are Scottish accents, ever heard one? :D Cheers Raystorm 20:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh lord, Raystorm! You wouldn't say that if you had been locked up in a Scottish drug rehab for a year! trust me on that one. Anyway, a Spanish accent seems perfect for an article about Same-sex marriahe in Spain. :-)Jeffpw 21:17, 8 February 2

Sigh - being American, just about any non-Umerk'n accent sounds sexy :) I'm part Scottish, so I've heard 'em, but I want to go visit sometime soon... Just not for drug rehab! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You want to visit Scotland? Are you crazy? I'd rather visit Afghanistan. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Right Dev, that's Scottish-hating added to your list of editorial sins ;-). WjBscribe 22:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What's wrong with Scotland? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

It's full of Scots. Who are ugly, fat, violent (Glasgow is officially the most violent city in Europe), and hate the English to the point when we were in with a chance in the world cup Scotland sold out of Trinidad and Tobago strips, they hated us so much. They whine about how we're "oppressing" them when James I took over us and they are subsidised by us to the tune of £8 billion a year: the result being that all Scots get free higher education whereas we have to pay 3 grand a year for the pleasure, and pay full price to go to a Scottish university. They're singlehandedly responsible for Labour being in power - without their votes the Tories would be in. Scottish MPs can vote on issues that affect the English but don't affect them, but English MPs cannot do vice-versa. They're miserable and have no sense of humour. They came up with the deep fried mars bar. They have dreadful music, cuisine and dress sense. And I hate their accents. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

*Blink* Well, I like Scottish accents. *Pouts and kicks a pebble* I've never been to Scotland, but I was thinking of visiting it too, like Satyr. Almost went to Glasgow when Real Madrid won their 9th Champions' League a few years ago (but _everything_ was booked, sigh). Raystorm 15:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

If you want to visit a part of the UK, visit Ireland. Ireland is beautiful, with fantastic history and culture and their accents are the sexiest on Earth. :) Ohh, and Irish music is heavenly, and Irish dancing is glorious. The Irish are the loveliest and kindest people on Earth, and they have Dustin. Their myths and folklore are just phenomenal. And they came up with this:

May the sun shine warm upon your face,
the rains fall soft upon your fields and,
until we meet again,
may God hold you in the palm of His hand.

Or you could come to England and me and WJB will show you around. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

*Grin* We could do a LGBT-Wikiproject convention in London! :D (We could have some fun at night in the Soho area, too!) Or if you like warm weather you can all come to Spain... *Snicker* Raystorm 15:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm up for either, though London is a lot more convenient for me. Just name the time and I'll be there (I'm so sick of Amsterdam right now I'm starting to feel Brenda Spencerish. Jeffpw 15:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I love the idea of a meet-up - we just need about 500 more members than we have now to make it feasible. :) Hehe, 60 of us descending on Old Compton Street would be fun... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

*Whistles* 600 members...Maybe by then we could also take the time to see some London Olympics events live! ;) You know, we could go all the way and make dorky project t-shirts for all of us and such. :) That's one way of financing the beers at Old Compton! Raystorm 16:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Dorky project T-shirts? Well, DUH. :) Hell, I'd design em now if I thought anyone would wear them...

And it won't take us five years to acquire 500 members. It took MILHIST two, and we're gaining members at a faster rate than them (or were last month, anyway). We also have the somewhat added advantage that we're advertising outside Wikipedia - the American Library Association GLBT Round Table has agreed to distribute our poster out to all its members, and put an article about us in their newsletter. And have I told that I have the chorus of a possible song? :D Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

ROTFL! I knew there was a reason we elected you :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice! I tried hunting down collaborators that spoke English in the Spanish Wikipedia, but they don't even have a LGBT project there. :/

Hell, I'd wear a T-shirt as long as it didn't have too much pink on it (I'm resigned to the fact that the rainbow theme will be obviously present, but it'd be interesting to see how it'd mesh with the geeky Wikipedia grey-blue theme hehe).

And what's that about a chorus of a song? We are going to have a song?? Do tell! :D Raystorm 16:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Then set one up! If we can have active English, French, German and Spanish projects that would cover most of the world. I'm trying to prod Projet:LGBT slightly to see what's happening there (no-one's edited since December). An active Spanish project would be great!

Ah, but would you pay $8.99 for it? And what would you want on it if not a rainbow flag?

Well, the first line just popped into my head and I thought "Why not?" It's delightfully silly. You'll be waiting a long time though for a full version though, I have to devise the rest of the lyrics and find someone to sing at so they can write down the tune (which keeps varying in my head), and then find some people who can actually sing and play instruments to record it. But it'll be fun going down Compton Street singing it ;) Here's what I've got:

WikiProject LGBT studies!

We're all so gay and such awesome buddies!

And then there's the bisexuals and won't you send a

cheery hello to those of transgender!

lol. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hahahaha!!! X_D I can even sorta imagine the rythm of the chorus too! (Kinda tough first line, hmm?) If that's the chorus, I can't wait for the full lyrics!

And I have seriously considered setting up the Spanish project (I just got an account there), I'm gonna ask the user that adopted me how to go about it (that wikipedia is subtly different from this one). Will need tips from you undoubtedly. ;) Cheers Raystorm 17:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the first line a bit of a nightmare. I'm working on it. ;) And I am willing to offer you as much help as I can, given I have no command of Spanish. :) I was thinking about writing a document on how to build up a WikiProject and call it "The Coordinator, or how to build the most successful WikiProject EVER". Sounded catchy. :) Just got to make WP:LGBT the most successful WikiProject ever before I can write it though...

Thanks! I've started making some queries at that wiki, hopefully there'll be other editors interested in the idea (will have to create a category for 'users interested on LGBT issues' or something to search for them via the single userbox available, heh).

And the title is definitely catchy. ;) I'm pretty sure we'll soon have MilHis (against whom we compete, right?) eating our dust! I bet they don't have a song and a convention in the works! Or dorky-yet-stylish T-shirts for members! Hee hee Raystorm 19:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Great. Now I have the idea of a WP:MILHIST song (set to German marching music) and their t-shirts (in classic camo) running around my head. Where's my Madonna CD when I need it!?!? :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't agree with your rationale for keeping the phrase in at Wikipedia:Esperanza, but after paying attention to the fact that those bullet points are under the section "Noted complaints included:", it gives perspective to the fact that it is an opinion, not a fact, and is appropriate to include. True, WP:NPOV only applies to the article space, but there's no reason not to present things in a neutral manner, especially because the goal of the history page was to present this history in a neutral manner, and because we both know that many people still have strong feelings about the page. Not that it matters, because the issue is over, but it's something we should all keep in mind if issues ever come up again. -- Natalya 00:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I thought I would bring this to your talk page, if you don't mind. I don't particularly care whether or not the sentence is used or not. I'm just a little amazed that even after Esperanza's deletion, it still draws people in, myself included. Like you, I'm surprised that any changes at all had occurred to the essay after a month or so of stability. I was just trying to suggest something that reflected what its critics said, without being too harsh on those who are still hurt by its deletion. Mostly (and I know this will smack of hypocrisy, considering my edit to the talk page) I wish that people would just move on and work on the encyclopedia. --Kyoko 00:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I see your point, and if I'm not mistaken, the original sentence was pretty much a direct quotation from one of the deletion comments. It just stunned me that there was an edit war, or at least a disagreement, about the criticism even after all this time. --Kyoko 00:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't appreciate your statement here that seems to single me out, since I'm the only 13 year old who recently edited Wikipedia:Esperanza. Please try to calm down, and understand that all of us are editing that page for good purposes. In case you didn't know, even historical pages on Wikipedia are eligible for frequent editing in order to improve the quality of Wikipedia. Now, since you seem to be having a problem with the recent editing (as implied by previous linked comment), I shall outline the timeline of events from my perspective:

1. - DRV information has now been added
2. - comma removed (harmless, no?)
3. - first edit for February 8, 2007; as you can see, major editing conflicts were scarce until today (yesterday if 12:00 UTC has passed). Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?}Reviews? 02:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed you went on Wikibreak. I know the Esperanza thing is trying, god knows I was a big dick about it in the past, but we've got to remember to stay calm about these things. A wikibreak can be good, yes, help you chill out. If you need someone to talk to, I make a rather fascinating sounding board. Hope you're feeling better when you come back. DoomsDay349 02:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Just checking in. Feeling any better? You toned down the Wikibreak notice; that's good. I hope you're all good. DoomsDay349 04:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank You, Dev920/Archive6 for your Support! Thank you for your support in my RfA, which closed at 111 / 1 / 2. I am humbled and rather shocked to see such kind comments and for it to reach WP:100. Please feel free to leave a note if I have made a mistake or if you need anything, I will start out slow and tackle the harder work once I get accustomed to the tools. Thank you once more, I simply cannot express in words my gratitude.

...fly on littlewing. ~ Arjun 19:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

		Elaragirl's Barnstar of Defiance
		For remaining unbroken in the face of adversity, unbowed in the face of despair, unafraid to do what is right, I admire you.

But you're still in inclusionist. Join the Dark Side! Strike them down and take your place by my side! --Elaragirl^Talk|Count 00:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll post up the elecion page tomorrow. I had in mind a week in normal circumstances but with only one candidate I'm thinking of shortening it. I may talk it over with a couple of people. I confess I've allowed it to slip onto the back-burner slightly, for one thing because I wasn't sure how long the Wikibreak you declared yesterday would last. Also, I spent most of today helping one of my best friends from uni days move her stuff down to London from Glasgow. WjBscribe 03:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Moved from userpage. Dev920 Pardon me if I am not doing this correctly, I am not exactly sure how to "send you a message." This is Jim Nightshade, I have been seeking an adopter. I started editing Wikipedia, in a very responsible, professional way, last summer. You have "sent me a mesage" by way of my Talk Page. Although I may not have the time to go full bore on Wikipedia (too busy as a student), any connections or help could be useful. I do believe in the project, very much. Thanks a lot. Who wields me, wields the world! 05:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

...I went ahead and created the Spanish LGBT Wikiproject. It's a bit stark at the moment, with just the basic stuff and only one member (guess). I've learnt more technical aspects and what-nots in the last two days than I ever wanted to know, and I know I've barely started scratching the surface on that regard. Already the categories are giving me headaches! :P But this is for the good of LGBT issues around the globe yadda yadda yadda right? Cheers! Raystorm 18:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah the translation department is definitely on the to-do list. I think I can scrap a few volunteers to help me with that, I'll send out some feelers soon. I also wanna make a section for requested articles and another for improving existing articles in the short term. Plus start tagging LGBT articles, which will also work as free advertising of the project. :-)

The perspective is rather bleak: most prominent LGBT articles have been kinda inactive for awhile. It's gonna be difficult to hunt for new members that way. There's only one LGBT userbox (two counting the project one), do you know if there's any way I could search for the users that have that userbox on their userpage?

I will need down the road anything you can upload at Commons, but there's no hurry yet. :-) I don't think I'm gonna be giving away barnstars any time soon. But thanks for the offer!

I'm playing it by ear right now. I couldn't fathom recreating the LGBT template that includes class and assessment right now, for example, but that's something that will have to be done sooner rather than later. Templates and categories, ugh. But they are so useful and orderly...

I am completely and sincerely open to suggestions. :-) Cheers Raystorm 19:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Haha! Excellent! I've been sending out invites for the last hour, hopefully a few editors will join the project. Thanks for the tip!

A navigational template will be coming soon, as soon as I can put it together. :-) I don't think the peer review will though, for the moment.

Cheers! Raystorm 20:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I take it back. If you could help with the assessment template, I'd be much obliged! Cheers Raystorm 14:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Great! I'm just finding out that there was a vote against having in the Spanish Wiki several LGBT categories that exist in the English one. And the project tag is malfunctioning. Oh well. I've asked for help with that. On the plus side, I'm getting new members, and I already have found a volunteer willing to translate Latter Days. :-) Cheers Raystorm 17:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, thanks. :-) I'm getting used to snags cropping up unexpectedly, I'm not too worried. I'll leave Satan's spawn template issues to far more talented people to deal with them. ;-) Cheers! Raystorm 18:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all the hard work Dev. I've contacted Richy at the Spanish wiki and am waiting for his reply. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks again! :-) Raystorm 21:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Richy replied. He's absolutely okay with helping us. :-) What a nice fellow. He asked me to tell you too that's he's definitely on it, because he has some ADSL problems right now (he just moved to a new house). As soon as he's solved them (in about a week) he'll get on with the assessment -he anticipates it'll take about 18 hours tops to get a bot running and begin tests. I'm gonna let him know about the hungarian thingy at WP:1.0, in case it helps him. Cheers! Raystorm 10:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea, I'll check it out. I suppose some equivalent of the Signpost exists, I'll ask at the Pump (or Cafe there). :-) Thanks for your kind words, they come at a particulary good time. I've had a bit of a setback with one of the templates (idiot me only tested the project tag in talk pages without discussions), and hopefully when Richy does the assessment he can take a look at what I did wrong there before implanting the new system. After that, I think we'll truly be in business. I have a very eager (yet unfortunately highly unexperienced) member that in just a few hours managed to tag 200 articles with the (now we know) defective template, unaware that discussions shouldn't appear inside the template. Heh. I quickly received some angry comments from other editors, but fortunately managed to defuse the situation, and we're all best wikipals again. And I've learned my lesson, and will be more careful and conscientous (sp?) in the future.

Err, sorry, I'm ranting. Just having one of those 'I've bitten more than I can chew' moments. :-) On the plus side, the translation department is up and running! Cheers Raystorm 20:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Update:Fixed the template hehe, took me 3 hours but I fixed it!!! ;-) Cheers Raystorm 23:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure I'll take a look! :-) You can email it to me if you want. Want me to send you my version? Cheers! Raystorm 00:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I've requested a peer review for Agrippina (opera) at Wikipedia:Peer review/Agrippina (opera)/archive1: all opinions welcome and requested. Your experience with FAs would be particularly welcome. Cheers, Moreschi ^{Request a recording?} 16:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't have to know so much about the topic, it's especially stuff like the referencing and the prose I'm looking for pointers on. Cheers, Moreschi ^{Request a recording?} 19:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorted out most of your points, I think. Cheers, Moreschi ^{Request a recording?} 20:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Missed the 105 boat, but caught the 107 train. ;) ZueJay^talk 07:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I meant "Another member". Darn, it was a late one last night! ZueJay^talk 20:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Is it allowed to relist an article on Afd immediately after it falls off the list, because "not enough people voted on it"? An article I wrote, Philippe Servaty, was listed last week on Afd. Naturally, I didn't have much incentive to expand it significantly while it was there (though I was pretty sure it was referenced enough to survive). Yesterday was 6 days on Afd, and I thought it would procedurally pass, since only one person made a comment, and two opposed deletion. Imagine my surprise this morning when I saw it was just immediately put back on Afd today. Yours in frustration, Jeffpw 07:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Good day, Dev. Sorry for keeping quite for almost two weeks, I have too much on my mind right now. Anyway, I have taken this morning a fresh look at this article and its respective talk page. Nothing new has really surfaced to support claims of this person's homosexuality, and I never had time to really search for a reliable source, I'm sorry. But it's more or less beyond the scope of your project, and that's because of his attitude. Nobody interesting :)

Anyway, if you need my help with any other Poland-related article (hopefully not associated with politics) then I'll be glad to be of service. Have a good day! --Ouro (blah blah) 08:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

This article has just become a fucking whitewash of the creep. All references to his homophobia have been removed (I will be reinserting them now). And an admin removed our LGBT tag today saying it was per talk discussion, when there had been no more discussion since Jan 29. Jeffpw 08:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Jeff. I noticed. Well, I will just comment on the tag removal - it was Piotrus, who is Polish like I am. There's a certain point to this, however if you feel he's within the scope of your interest then that's fine with me. On the article content I will not comment, there's no way this one will reach a NPOV in the near future. Cheers. --Ouro (blah blah) 10:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ouro, the tag merely indicates he is within the scope of our project. His many homophobic remarks make him a person of interest to us. The tag does not indicate he is homosexual. Jeffpw 10:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Jeff, I got that much, thank you.

Dev, thank you for the nice message. It's good working with you too! Why not Scotland? :) --Ouro (blah blah) 12:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Heh, heh, I have a similar attitude towards a certain country, or rather a certain sociopolitical system. Zimbabwe, Thailand, Cuba, but not there :) --Ouro (blah blah) 13:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

My preliminary answer is yes, but before I completely accept the challenge, I'd like to know how exactly head-to-head jumpaclass works. Do we pick articles at the same time, and starting from the same category? Thanks, — Emiellaiendiay 17:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I haven't seen Trembling Before G-d... but I'd like to see it, along with Parvez Sharma's In the Name of Allah. LGBT issues in the context of religion are fascinating. I take it you've seen it though? — Emiellaiendiay 17:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, wow, thank you! — Emiellaiendiay 18:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

It's good to know your feeling better. Let us hope this is the last wave, and we'll finally be able to move on. In a strange way, this has been a two sided coin; all the crap has helped you and I become friends, and it's (in a long, roundabout cycle of drama) me and Elara become...quasi-friends. So, it wasn't all bad. DoomsDay349 21:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You reverted my edits to Bisexuality because you took personal offense. I'm sorry, but it is an unusual sexuality. There sadly is much worse, though. Look, before you get pissed off about what I'm telling you becuase you think I have no right to say this when I "obviously don't know what I'm talking about." Here's the thing, I am attracted to my male friend. I am a guy. And I like women, too. Especially this one girl who is beautiful and intelligent.

I realize that I was indeed foolish in my choice to like men and women. -66.218.12.100 22:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me. —Mira 23:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll gladly have a go at translating the poster, although translating into Spanish is not my forte so it would be good if others could vet the final product. I can't do it until Monday evening London time though -- I'll follow up as soon as I have something. Burnley 00:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Dev, I've already translated the poster! :-) I was actually dropping by to ask you if it is okay to use it for the esWiki. The problem is it's two pages long, I need to reduce it. I can send it to you by email if you want to check it out? Cheers Raystorm 01:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I just came back to offer to e-mail you my flawed translation of the poster, but I see that Raystorm has already taken care of it. Please e-mail me if you'd like my draft; it's totally, absolutely ok if you don't. Burnley 23:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, after some effort, it is on one page. Burnley 00:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

*Small nudge* Poster got lost in ciber ether? ;-) Raystorm 11:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Things are going well so far, thanks for asking. New departments working, one requested article created, one translation done, another couple of users joined (and a few others declined), tagging going on without further problems... Step by step. :-) I may even need the barnstar sooner than I thought, members are really eager to get things done over there! I just wish they were slightly more experienced, but beggars can't be choosers right? :-) Raystorm 13:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Neat! I'll add the barnstar asap. Thanks! :-) I just found out that references must be reformatted to go with the Spanish system -instead of cite web, ref-article, and so on. *Whimpers thinking about the 53 refs in the SSM in Spain article that have to be changed one by one again* Why can't we have a universal system for everything? Cheers Raystorm 22:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

We do :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

*Blows raspberry* ;) Raystorm 11:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the message on my talk page. I have joined the project and look forward to working on it. Thanks, Mallanox 02:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with that statement. All in all, though, I think Esperanza did serve a purpose; it taught a lot of people what Wikipedia really is, including myself. In the end, that was a good thing :) Also, I forgot to tell you, I'm sorry I missed your RFA, I was never aware of it. Too bad it didn't pass; though, in my opinion, I think you went up just a little bit too early. Personally, I'd have waited to March/April, after a lot of good, constructive edits. I bet that an RFA for you in a few months would work out much better. I'm sorry I wasn't there though. DoomsDay349 04:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say you hadn't made enough constructive edits...I just think that your opposers would have been quieter with a bit more. DoomsDay349 22:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey. Thanks for adding the infobox to many film articles. What I'm wondering is why have you linked the names to an external website, IMDb, instead of internal links to person(s) articles? These should be wikilinked, as per the syntax guide and usual WP conventions. Thanks, Prolog 12:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for your invitation! Sorry I didn't get back to you, I didn't realize it was an RSVP type thing :). Unfortunately I don't think I'll be joining the project. I actually was interested in homosexuality from a psychological perspective (I'm a member at Wikiproject Psychology). I stumbled across some unreferenced & incorrect information on Homosexuality and the Mormon church so I corrected, referenced and created one article (Homosexuality and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). People were calling aversion therapy electroshock therapy, and things like this - two very different things that were being used synonymously which was very embarrassing for Wikipedia. So I've really only come across LGBT stuff when it comes in close contact with Psychology or something is just wrong & unreferenced - no different than any other subject for me. Again, thanks for considering me, though! Good luck with the project! Chupper 17:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Never saw that movie or heard of it, interesting though! Definitely feel free to let me know articles that deal with psychology or psychiatrics and homosexuality! Just leave a list on my talk page of articles you would like me to help out with.

Yea, aversion therapy is conditioning - a negative stimulus attached with a behavior someone wants to get rid of. The negative stimulus is something like a bad tasting spray, a shock to the fingers, or anything like that. Like spraying a bad tasting thing on your nails to stop nailbiting is form aversion therapy (I've done that). Electroshock therapy is actually attaching diodes to your head to shock your brain. It usually sends the patient into a seizure. It's been used in the past to treat psychotic illnesses such as schizophrenia. Two very different things. In addition, aversion therapy must be voluntary. Forcing someone to do it against their will is illegal. Also, in my mind, some stimulus used in aversion therapy is ethically wrong. However when someone says "aversion therapy" I usually think of a child being scolded or anti-nail biting spray. The only reason people have a negative idea about aversion therapy is because of the extremes (i.e. persuading gays to get shocked to get rid of homosexual thoughts). In reality 99% of aversion therapy is ethical, non-violent and actually helpful. (think how many times parents scold children, individuals condition themselves to avoid drugs through negative thoughts, etc. vs. extreme cases of torturous aversion therapy.)

But anyway, leave a list of articles you need some people to work on dealing with psych & LGBT and I'll be happy to do what I can. Although homosexuality itself isn't very interesting to me, its evolution through psychological and anthropological understanding is. Chupper 17:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Top smart! You're welcome. Steve block Talk 20:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'm the guy who wrote the entire article on Jacques Damala! The truth is that hadn't checked out my article for a while but I see that the bisexuality reference caused quite a disagreement. I don't know much of it to support it myself, whether it is reliable information or not. But I must thank you for supporting my article! It could certainly need some improvement and I hope you will provide me with any suggestions/advice. I hope I'll be able to see renominated for a GA someday! Thanks again! Xanthi22 23:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Dev 920: I'm impressed--looks like you are not afraid to speak your mind. But as students in Taiwan always say, don't forget to "be kind." Hope this message gets through. I'll be in touch. One thing I wonder is about citing sources. I have used an MLA academic style (source name and page number in parentheses, referring to sources at the bottom of the page). Though I like this style, I suspect it is not the normal way here. I see other footnote style of sources cited (with linked footnotes), though at times these come off as kind of awkward on Wiki. But whatever. I have been meaning to find out the best way to do this.

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Nuff said! Jeffpw 23:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, it says to write you if I'd prefer to receive the newsletter in a different format. I'm thinking smaller. Much smaller. Like we have with this format for the Signpost:

Doable? ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 00:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Dev! This is doable, with a little bit of restructuring. If we moved the layout to a different page than the content, then the size of it (small, right, wavy - well, not wavy :) can be controlled. Thoughts? Is it worth doing? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I think more people would subscribe if it's available in a smaller format. I've seen some project participants remove it immediately from their talk pages. If people are deleting it, chances are they're not clicking the links. Let me know if I can help in any way :-) ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 03:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

If they've read it, then it doesn't really matter if they remove it immediately afterwards. The structure of the signpost relies on much longer articles - our news is mostly bullet points. However, if you want I can inroduce an option of a simple link to the newsletter at the community section? Then you would simply alerted to the publication of a new newsletter every month. Would that be better for you? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 06:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer a link to the big version we have now :-) ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 06:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

What if we used this format:

That way it doesn't take up as much space on talkpages and people can open it for the content links whenever they want? WjBscribe 06:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I will try that on the next newsletter. Then we can see what other people think. Bear in mind though, my experience with hide bars has not thus far been totally successful... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, that's pretty cool, WJB! ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 08:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

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With all the fun and games going, I haven't been updating the news section as diligently as I should. I thought I'd see to it just now and realised that the present content rather reflects what happens if you put a lawyer in charge! I'm doing pretty well on worldview but the breadth of subject matter is laking a bit. LOL. Oops. WjBscribe 09:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts on the alternative sexuality lists. I appreciate that a dedicated and interested editor will clean them up, and that there is a network of wikipedians in alliance to keep them clean. For this reason, I have requested early closing of my nomination of the AFD's, with Keep per agreement as outcome. Many thanks for not joning what I fear was a closing of ranks by others who seemed to be mounting for a personal attack of me, instead of doing as you did, which was maintain a level head and make a workable proposal. Kudo's to you! Jerry lavoie 16:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

oh, well... WJBscribe opposed my motion , so the debate will have to continue. <shrug> Jerry lavoie 18:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

ok, well, an article I recently wrote may meet inclusion criteria: Patricia Racette. (I know... try to get over the shock...)  :) Jerry lavoie 18:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey! Whats up? It's Zaz zer again. I was wondering if you would mind checking this page out. Thx! --Cheers :) Zaz zer

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Thanks for the head's up. I just made my position clear (and no, you were not canvassing, but simply alerting me to the re-emergence of a debate I was part of previously). Jeffpw 11:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dev, thanks for the invitation to the LGBT project. I will have to graciously and respectfully decline at this time, as I'm not able to dedicate much time to Wikipedia these days until later in the year. But I wish you and the project all the best! NickBurns 19:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on becoming the first coordinator of the LGBT project. It is in my opinion well earned. WjBscribe 19:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ditto congrats. Te lo mereces, confiamos en tí. ;-) MILHIST, tremble! Raystorm 20:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

LOL! Bring it ON... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Belated Congrats on becoming project co-ordinator. Sorry your wiki-break was cut short. --ParAmmon (cheers thanks a lot!) 17:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dev. I was wondering: would it be okay to create an article like 'History of Homosexuality in X Country'? I've been asked to do one about Spain, but I notice we don't have those kind of articles. Any particular reason? We do have the 'Gay Rights in X Country' articles, but I don't think they would necessarily be the same. What do you think? Cheers Raystorm 21:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Aha. Gotcha. Thanks. Sorry if it was a stupid question, I didn't think of searching without the 'history' part. :-P Raystorm 22:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Shoulda asked me, Dev--you know I'm a pushover! LOL! Better luck next time, and if you need a hand polishing it, give me a jingle. Jeffpw 22:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)