User talk:DoubleGrazing/Archive 25

I have added the attribution as well as having reworded the article. Volatileacid (talk) 10:53, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Daniel Diaz (musician)

Hi, I see that after months waiting for review you rejected this article. I created this entry following a red link on the artist's label's page Xenophile Records, following info found on other wikis and artist's web site. perhaps I should keep it simpler?

About your comments:

I don't understand what that 'Press & reviews' section is meant to be – either cite them as references, or move them to a 'Further reading' section.

Got it, most of those links are actually references, I will create a Further Reading section for the rest. Thanks for that. Fixed now.

Also, the 'External links' are too many, per WP:EL; usually just the official website is listed.

Got it. I'm fixing now.

There is quite a lot of unreferenced content (incl. but not only DOB), and many of the sources cited are not reliable.

DOB comes from the WikiData entry on this artists https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q117317361 and his own official website.

Perhaps the references to the official web site should be removed? But al the other references are reliable, independent sources, albeit in French and Spanish. Do you suggest that any major media coverage on languages other that English are not releable? Please clarify that.

I appreciate your help on this, kind regards

VP Vicpaz (talk) 14:06, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

There is a new requested move discussion in progress for the Charles III article. Since you participated in the previous discussion, I thought you might like to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 06:47, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm writing this to ask about my draft for Vita Carnis. You said that my draft was "not adequately supported by reliable sources". My main question is what would be a reliable source in this case? Because I can't think of any more reliable source than the creator and the series itself. Thank you for your help, have a nice day. Palpatine of the Seven Seas (talk) 19:01, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Palpatine of the Seven Seas: the concept of reliable sources is detailed at WP:RS. The series itself can be used as a source for things like the plot, credits, (some) technical details etc., but that's about it. The show creator can be used as a source, for non-contentious facts, within the confines of WP:SELFSOURCE. Note also that TV Tropes and Red Bubble are not considered reliable. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

I noticed that you deleted my draft entry AOMEI Backupper. I wish to re-edit this article. not bad? Lmj565 (talk) 09:17, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Lmj565: I haven't deleted anything; I couldn't, if I wanted to, as I'm not an admin. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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How can the sources in my Suleymanov article not be reliable? Just because they are Kazakh doesn't mean they are unreliable. The book about Jambul is not fake you can read it yourself in google books e-history.kz is a very respected Kazakh website it is not samizdat nor is it satire it is a real and reliable source used in other Kazakh article in Wikipedia. Soviet aces is used in lots of articles about non-Kazakhs so I know that it is not a prohibited source. Орта жүздің Ноқта ағасы Тарақты шежіресі is a reliable source too it is even used in the Russian language article for him. Suppose you were an editor of Kazakh Wikipedia - would you reject an article about an American medal of honor recipient because you don't think that major american sources like CNN were good enough? If you arent sure what a Kazakh source says all you have to do it use google translate or yandex translate it doesn't matter the point is that Kazakh and Russian language citations are verifiable and can be reliable KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk) 12:21, 30 July 2023 (UTC) Can you just be honest for a minute - did you make any attempt to read any of the sources I cited in the Suleymanov article at all?KazyKazyKazakhstan (talk) 12:48, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I've added some other references to make the information more complete, but I also wanted to add that all of this is mostly a translation from the Polish Wikipedia article on the same person. If the article could be published in Polish, why can't it be in English? BoscoPL (talk) 13:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@BoscoPL: every language version of Wikipedia is an entirely different project with their own policies and guidelines. The English-language one has the most onerous requirements (that I'm aware of, at least) in what comes to referencing, both in terms of notability and just basic verifiability. So it can happen quite easily that an article is accepted into another language version, but when you translate it into English, it's not accepted here. I sometimes translate from the Finnish version myself, and I've learned the hard way that the first thing I need to do before translating anything is to check whether the sources are enough, or if they're not, whether I can find additional sources that meet the various requirements.

BTW, if, as you say, you've translated this from the Polish article, you need to acknowledge that as the source; see WP:HOWTRANS. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the helpful advice! Hope I didn't come of as rude, before but I've been waiting for this page to be published for some time :D I've now added the proper acknowledgement for the translation. Still learning how to do proper contributions so thanks again for the helpful tip. BoscoPL (talk) 16:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

You declined this draft, stating that it hasn’t reliable sources. When looking at the article the references are historical reference works, for instance this one and this one. Can you please have another look at the draft and give better feedback? 109.38.139.34 (talk) 17:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

The draft has nine paragraphs, of which only three are referenced; in other words, ⅔ of it is not supported by reliable sources. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello DoubleGrazing, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Enduretheexile/sandbox, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:57, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Howdy….

So… an online copy of his obituary is apparently unavailable. But I did locate the newspaper clipping my mother saved. I do not have the page or publication # but the date of the obit is January 4 1969, the day after he died. In addition I also have a copy of the death certificate; rendered by the city clerk of Gardner MA. (He expired in a hospital there following complications of an accidental fall). It also lists DOD as 1/3/1969. The DOD copy is dated 1/6/1969. Both of these list him as John J Honkonen. Sort of an Americanization of his Finnish name as he was more widely known as Jallu in his Finnish ‘circle’. If necessary (and with some direction) I could photo either of these and upload to you. (?) Eldyr88PHy$N (talk) 02:53, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

• Pantherslair (talk · contribs)
  • User:Pantherslair/STEREO 10 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I require assistance please because I have no experience preparing these types of articles and do not really understand some of what has been asked of me. I have plenty of back story and history on STEREO 10 as the business owner of the Radio Station, but do not know how to correctly submit this information into the appropriate format. I also do not know how to submit the newspaper and Radio industry articles correctly into the references section as well as adding other information into the appropriate sections. Any help and assistance that could be provided by a senior and experience Wikipedia Editor would be greatly appreciated. Thanking you most sincerely. From User: Pantherslair Pantherslair (talk) 13:33, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Pantherslair: when I declined this draft, I pointed you towards WP:YFA and WP:REFB as useful sources of advice; please read them, if you haven't yet done so.

Your primary objective will be to show that the subject is notable in Wikipedia terms. This means simply that there exist multiple secondary sources which are reliable and independent of the subject, and which have covered it in significant extent. Find such sources, and summarise (in your own words – no copypasting or even close paraphrasing allowed!) what they have said; that not only establishes notability and verifies the information, it gives you what you need to write. That last point is important: you should not write what you want to write about your business, but merely summarise what others have said, without putting any 'spin' on it.

But first, given that this is your business, you must disclose your conflict of interest (COI) and paid-editing status. I will post a message on your talk page with more information. Please make your disclosure as your very next edit after reading this. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Double Grazing. Thanks for the reply. I do understand about keeping the content factual and non opinion based about the history, format and function of STEREO 10 as a 'NFP' (Not for Profit) Online Radio Station. I will read over as much of what you have provided for me and do my best to understand it. Much of the content for the article could be sourced from the history page of the website and the rest I could add as first person factual historical knowledge, cos I "lived" it. As for references, there are only 2 external articles written about the re-birth and a Television NEWS segment on BTQ 7 Brisbane / QLD. I also do not want to write what I want about the business, but rather keep it as historical and factual as possible, without any 'puff pieces' or spin, as you put it. I also do not want for there to be any issues surrounding perceived conflict of interests, because my intention is to keep this article as open, honest and transparent as possible. With your continued support and assistance, I am sure this article will finally be what it needs to be. Pantherslair (talk) 15:51, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) virtually nothing from the history page of your website would be acceptable and absolutely zero from "first person factual historical knowledge" all content will need to supported by independent reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 16:23, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

@Pantherslair: as my learned friend says, we cannot accept any content that is not supported by reliable published sources, no matter how true and accurate it may be, because a core principle of Wikipedia is that all information must be verifiable from published sources. Also, we only ever summarise what others have said; we are never the first to publish anything, and do not allow primary sources or original research. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:33, 6 August 2023 (UTC)