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Wikipedia_talk:Tool_apprenticeship
"If I trust someone with some of the tools, I trust him with all the tools" - me too.
"If RFA is broken, this is not a good way to fix it." - OK, so, can you think of a better way? 'Coz it's been discussed, for many years, and nobody has come up with anything.
So can't we at least try something new? Chzz ► 01:15, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Richard Arthur Norton: Revisiting topic ban; Should it be removed or made indefinite?
Hi Edison. You participated in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive228#Richard Arthur Norton copyright violations, in which a one-month topic ban on creating new articles and making page moves was imposed on Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk · contribs). The closing admin has asked for community input about whether to remove the topic ban or make it indefinite at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Richard Arthur Norton: Revisiting topic ban; Should it be removed or made indefinite?. Cunard (talk) 08:53, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
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Blanche Kelso Bruce
Hello,
My only motivation in mentioning Bruce was to encourage curious editors to take a look at that article, perhaps learn something, and maybe help improve that article. My remark derived from my lifelong delight in the random browsing of encyclopedias. I did not mean to suggest or even subtly imply inherited notability. I apologize if you perceived my comment to be out of line. I bid you peace. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:31, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Confessiones
When I read your post, I felt you must have had the same translation as I did - the one by Henry Chadwick. I got the audio book, narrated by Richard Ferrone, which is sounded as if the great man stood right next to me and thanks to some miracle I could understand him directly, without any language barrier. The translation seems to be very congenial; I sometimes followed it along at and did not stumble over anything I felt was awkwardly translated. — Sebastian 02:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
However, I don't understand what you're writing about his remarks on theater; if you just replace that with "TV", that translates directly to our times, at least for me. — Sebastian 02:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC) (I stopped watching this page. If you would like to continue the talk, please do so here and ping me.)
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I guess im not a good wikipediar
Sorry I was just trying to join the community but i guess im not such a good wikipediar and im bad for the community. So you can delete my account i guess. Sorry for being a burden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unctuousness (talk • contribs) 04:05, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- No burden at all. We do not "delete the accounts" of vandals. We just block them from editing. You are welcome to edit productively. Edison (talk) 04:08, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
ok thanks maybe i can try again and do a better post — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unctuousness (talk • contribs) 04:11, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
ok i tried to add the reference and then some guy named bot deleted it. this seems like kind of an elite comunity that i am not cut out for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unctuousness (talk • contribs) 04:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
MfD nomination of User talk:LightshiftZero
User talk:LightshiftZero, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:LightshiftZero and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User talk:LightshiftZero during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Edison (talk) 05:03, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Recent articles for deletion
Hi, thanks for you input on the Rekha Kumari-Baker AFD . I have some concerns about the nominating editor and the recent exchanges I've had with them and the way they are following me around. They've now also nominated a further article I created as well when the notability is obvious.. I'd appreciate your view on the situation.--Shakehandsman (talk) 17:48, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
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Turning off Wikipedia for a day
Blacking out English language Wikipedia for 24 hours to protest a US government action which might harm internet sites seems like a case of Cutting off the nose to spite the face. Edison (talk) 04:00, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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User:Edison replaced temporarily by User:BnBH
I am (temporarily) changing my editing from username User:Edison to User:BnBH, in honor of Beavis and Butt-head, two funny lads whose antics make as much sense as does turning off Wikipedia to protest proposed legislation, a publicity stunt akin to chaining the doors of the library for a day to protest legislation which might amount to censorship, or putting on a Spiderman suit and climbing the US Capitol dome to make some political point. I believe that as a tax exempt charity, Wikipedia should not be conducting publicity stunts such as the one day blackout in an effort to influence legislation in the US Congress. Edison (talk) 04:57, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
- I hope you enjoy having a publicity stunt all to yourself. Or are you expecting the mass media to report on this? AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:30, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
- No, basking in media coverage is a joy left to the agitprop brigade, who would prefer garnering publicity to maintenance and improvement of an online encyclopedia. The alternate account is now retired, having been used for a period equal to the madness of blacking out the encyclopedia to save it. One hopes that withdrawal symptoms from the adrenaline rush from the 24 hour blackout do not lead to more similar disruptions of the encyclopedia to achieve political goals. To quote the article on the cartoon series which inspired the alternative account, "Their actions sometimes have dire consequences, for which they show little remorse." Edison (talk) 05:10, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Just as an aside, you have not changed your user name. You have created an alternate account, which is a completely different thing. It's a little surprising that a long-time admin is unaware of the distinction. Nor have you satisfied the requirements of WP:SOCK#NOTIFY. There's no problem with having an alternate account per se but please be careful to follow policy. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Please read carefully before you criticize. Then you will find fewer "surprises." Note that I did not say I had changed my username, just that "I am (temporarily) changing my editing from username User:Edison to User:BnBH." Editing from a different name is not the same as changing names. Please also note that I said above "The alternate account is now retired." The retired alternate account which will not be used in the future and the main account are informally linked by postings in the talk pages, and user pages, which are permanently in the edit history. Please retrieve your stick; the deceased equine is sufficiently beaten. I am now working to reference some of the unreferenced 250,000 articles, so tagged as long ago as October 2006. Why don't you also carry on with your efforts to improve the encyclopedia? Edison (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Just as an aside, you have not changed your user name. You have created an alternate account, which is a completely different thing. It's a little surprising that a long-time admin is unaware of the distinction. Nor have you satisfied the requirements of WP:SOCK#NOTIFY. There's no problem with having an alternate account per se but please be careful to follow policy. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- No, basking in media coverage is a joy left to the agitprop brigade, who would prefer garnering publicity to maintenance and improvement of an online encyclopedia. The alternate account is now retired, having been used for a period equal to the madness of blacking out the encyclopedia to save it. One hopes that withdrawal symptoms from the adrenaline rush from the 24 hour blackout do not lead to more similar disruptions of the encyclopedia to achieve political goals. To quote the article on the cartoon series which inspired the alternative account, "Their actions sometimes have dire consequences, for which they show little remorse." Edison (talk) 05:10, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Dire consequences
Given that the apparent consequences of the protest conducted by thousands of websites, most notably Google and Wikipedia in the top 10, has been the prompt withdrawal of the legislation in both houses of Congress, I struggle to detect what is "dire" in the outcome. Perhaps you could elaborate based on real world political commentary, as opposed to to references to vulgar animated cartoon shows. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- You're wasting your time, Cullen. Edison is a troll, plain and simple. If you have any doubt, read this. He compared opposition to SOPA/PIPA to proponents of racial segregation. It doesn't get any more trollish than that. Viriditas (talk) 11:43, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ignoring the continued baiting, wild accusations and harassment by Viriditas, who seems to be unhampered by WP:NPA and responding to Cullen328, my concerns are as follows: There was a precipitous escalation from a proposal for putting a banner on the site, to a US shutdown, to a shutdown for users worldwide of the English language Wikipedia. The first of the Five Pillars says "Wikipedia is not a soapbox," but for 24 hours, that was all it was. The Fourth Pillar says "never disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point." A blackout is an extreme disruption made to illustrate a point. The Third pillar says "Wikipedia is free content that anyone can edit, use, modify and distribute." But for that day those activities were intentionally interfered with. An argument that "The Foundation had to implement the wishes of those who voted for it" ignores the recent precedent of the Foundation staffers overruling a consensus on a trial of barring non-confirmed editors from creating articles, which had won 2/3 support in a well-publicized and long running RFC on the grounds that it was incompatible with their vision of the project. Another issue is that Wikipedia is a US tax exempt charity, and directing users to contact their congressmen and demand a particular outcome is not compatible with that tax exempt status. Fortunately,the IRS does grant a bit of leeway, like 5%, so if this was a onetime event at least there should be no consequences. The big happy back-slapping party of mutual congratulations raises concerns that some in the community may wish to use blackout or threat of blackout in the future to get their way in a variety of issues. I hope that we can keep it to a click-through banner in the future. Edison (talk) 21:01, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- That sounds like a legal threat against Wikipedia. Should I request your indefinite block? Viriditas (talk) 21:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Please quote the part which you take as a legal threat. I can't find one. Edison (talk) 21:25, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- I also see no legal threat, but just a discussion. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- Please quote the part which you take as a legal threat. I can't find one. Edison (talk) 21:25, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- That sounds like a legal threat against Wikipedia. Should I request your indefinite block? Viriditas (talk) 21:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ignoring the continued baiting, wild accusations and harassment by Viriditas, who seems to be unhampered by WP:NPA and responding to Cullen328, my concerns are as follows: There was a precipitous escalation from a proposal for putting a banner on the site, to a US shutdown, to a shutdown for users worldwide of the English language Wikipedia. The first of the Five Pillars says "Wikipedia is not a soapbox," but for 24 hours, that was all it was. The Fourth Pillar says "never disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point." A blackout is an extreme disruption made to illustrate a point. The Third pillar says "Wikipedia is free content that anyone can edit, use, modify and distribute." But for that day those activities were intentionally interfered with. An argument that "The Foundation had to implement the wishes of those who voted for it" ignores the recent precedent of the Foundation staffers overruling a consensus on a trial of barring non-confirmed editors from creating articles, which had won 2/3 support in a well-publicized and long running RFC on the grounds that it was incompatible with their vision of the project. Another issue is that Wikipedia is a US tax exempt charity, and directing users to contact their congressmen and demand a particular outcome is not compatible with that tax exempt status. Fortunately,the IRS does grant a bit of leeway, like 5%, so if this was a onetime event at least there should be no consequences. The big happy back-slapping party of mutual congratulations raises concerns that some in the community may wish to use blackout or threat of blackout in the future to get their way in a variety of issues. I hope that we can keep it to a click-through banner in the future. Edison (talk) 21:01, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sounds like a new concept: IAP - "Ignore All Pillars". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:18, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- For the nth time, Wikipedia is not neutral and has never claimed to be neutral. Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view, but Wikipedia has always been frank about its POV as an organization: "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment." Viriditas (talk) 09:35, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sounds like a new concept: IAP - "Ignore All Pillars". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:18, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
501(c)(3) status
I believe that you are factually wrong when you say that encouraging our readers to contact legislators to oppose legislation is somehow incompatible with tax exempt status. IRS regulations explicitly permit such lobbying, as long as it is secondary to the tax exempt (educational in this case) purpose. Many tax exempts do so routinely, but are careful to stay within the guidelines, as the Foundation has done. When discussing the five pillars, do not forget "ignore all rules". I very much appreciate your thoughtful response here, and I can assure you that this editor will be very slow and cautious about recommending similar protests in the future. Let's get back to improving the encyclopedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:43, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed that the IRS says a small amount of lobbying is ok. Their website says "..it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates." We also have or recently had an article listing those congressmen who support either of the two bills, List of legislators who support SOPA or PIPA, and it could be interpreted as a way of pressuring them. Some in the present AFD called it a "hit list" for pressuring legislators with the "wrong" position, or as "advocacy." My concern sprang from the glee so many editors expressed with the success of the action /lobbying campaign, and the likelihood that some will want to do so on additional occasions in the future, since this one was called such a blissful success. Edison (talk) 04:50, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- The American Cancer Society is allowed to encourage its supporters to call members of Congress to vote in favor of restrictions on smoking and environmental carcinogens, and in fact has done so for decades. Other non-profits do similar lobbying. What Wikipedia has done is precisely analogous. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that the IRS would classify the recent one day blackout as a "substantial" part of Wikipedia's efforts this year. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- I agree that a one time or very occasional lobbying effort is tolerated by the IRS on the part of tax-exempt charities. My objective in this is to restrain the project from descending into frequently being a political action site. Edison (talk) 05:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- There is nothing wrong with or surprising about a little glee when a campaign is so obviously successful. I very much doubt that this type of tactic will be employed again, let alone become common. I will vigorously oppose that. You don't need to be grumpy about other's happiness about the results just because you, in good faith, opposed the blackout. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- Prompted by your comment (which was not canvassing), I have recommended "Delete" in the AfD debate regarding List of legislators who support SOPA or PIPA. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:11, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- There is nothing wrong with or surprising about a little glee when a campaign is so obviously successful. I very much doubt that this type of tactic will be employed again, let alone become common. I will vigorously oppose that. You don't need to be grumpy about other's happiness about the results just because you, in good faith, opposed the blackout. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- I agree that a one time or very occasional lobbying effort is tolerated by the IRS on the part of tax-exempt charities. My objective in this is to restrain the project from descending into frequently being a political action site. Edison (talk) 05:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- The American Cancer Society is allowed to encourage its supporters to call members of Congress to vote in favor of restrictions on smoking and environmental carcinogens, and in fact has done so for decades. Other non-profits do similar lobbying. What Wikipedia has done is precisely analogous. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that the IRS would classify the recent one day blackout as a "substantial" part of Wikipedia's efforts this year. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
User:204.38.172.102
Hello. About a year ago you blocked this IP for a year. Today they make a vandalistic edit and then immediately deleted it, which I interpret as testing the waters to see if they can edit again. I suggest an eye be kept on it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
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RfC
Hello, you recently participated in a straw poll concerning a link at the Campaign for "santorum" neologism article. I am giving all the poll participants a heads-up that a RfC on the same issue is being conducted here. Be——Critical 19:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
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Reply at User talk:TechnoSymbiosis
Hi Edison, not sure if you had my page on your watchlist, but I finished writing my reply to you over there. TechnoSymbiosis (talk) 23:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
MSU Interview
Dear Edison,
My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.
So a few things about the interviews:
- Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
- Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
- All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
- All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
- The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.
Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.
If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.
Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.
Sincerely,
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Vote on Syrian Talk page
I set up a vote on whether to include alqaeda in the infobox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2011–2012_Syrian_uprising Sopher99 (talk) 20:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
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Mallasseril (talk) 18:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)Dear Mr. Edison
I'm responding to your review of Immanuel Mar Thoma Church, Virginia page that I created. Thank you for your feedback and notice to make corrections. I have added references that are relevant to the claim that St. Thomas visited India and established Churches. Immanuel Mar Thoma Church, Virginia is a parish under Mar Thoma Syrian Church in India. We see the entry in wikipedia as evolving. Thank you for your suggestions. If it is acceptable to you can you please remove the deletion notice from our page.
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Re: Stomach bed
My sense from reading the article was that it was a term of convenience used to refer to a group of structures, rather than a system, where there's a lot to say about how the different components work together. However, if you think there's more to say about it than just a definition than I won't object to keeping it. GabrielF (talk) 00:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Reply on the charge of copyright violation of nondeterministic finite automaton with ε-moves
There are multiple things wrong with the copyright violation charge. Let me enumerate
- First of all, I did not create most of the content. This content was already there on the page nondeterministic finite automata. I was refactoring these pages. nondeterministic finite automaton with ε-moves and nondeterministic finite automata are two different objects with similar definitions therefore I thought nondeterministic finite automaton with ε-moves deserves its own page.
- Secondly, these are very standard definitions in computer science. Every year taught in basic computer science courses. Almost all books, websites, and research papers define in the same ways. Can someone own standard math?
- Thirdly, problem is the references. This article needs serious work to make it informative. Many things are to be added. I will work on this article in next couple of weeks to make it actually readable.
For final declaration, I have only added paragraphs copied from other wikipedia pages or wrote stuff my self. There was no copy or paste.Ashutosh Gupta (talk) 16:35, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
McKinley
I'm not sure you understand. Coemgenus and I are renovating the article in preparation for FAC. Some of the stuff in there is stated elsewhere, other stuff really isn't terribly relevant. If you notice, we've been inserting new sections and taking out old ones for days.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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Hello Edison. My E Mail address is jeannegriffin@hotmail.it I understand your reluctance to post personal information about people on a public forum such as the ref desk. Thank you for helping me as that photo really fascinates me for some reason.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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Sure, but it may be a few days. I've got several projects on the back burner - I'll try to get to it sometime in the next couple days though. Keilana|Parlez ici 17:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
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Regarding the Pigasus article - thank you
Edison,
Thank you for looking into the Pigasus article. On the article talk page, I asked for/invited further assistance in better documenting the page. It is most appreciated! Nelsondenis248 (talk) 18:38, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
- I read your post on my talk page, and I whole-heartedly agree. The unintended consequence regarding Humphrey/Nixon never occurred to me! Thanks again for your great research. Nelsondenis248 (talk) 19:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
- Edison, the Wilson ref was originally this: [1] but that relates to the Illuminatus Trilogy, and I know you are not comfortable with that as a reference. Please do what you think is best. Nelsondenis248 (talk) 20:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
- I don't have a page number - so please do what you think is best and most encyclopedic (!) Nelsondenis248 (talk) 21:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
- In the deletion discussion, an (anonymous) editor disapproves of the photo caption "Pigasus out on parole." I believe this caption and the other one "Pigasus waves at his supporters" retains the spirit of the Pigasus nomination, without injecting undue "hoaxery" - since obviously pigs don't get paroled or wave at their supporters. What do you think? If you disapprove of these captions, please remove them. I think you're a good, objective voice in this. Thanks, and thanks for all the work you've been doing on Pigasus. Nelsondenis248 (talk) 22:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
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More Pigasus material
The New York Times obituary for Abbie Hoffman mentions the Pigasus nomination - but it's part of a longer statement by attorney William Kunstler, regarding Hoffman's dexterity at political theater.
The New York Times obituary for Jerry Rubin also mentions it .
I also found this striking YouTube video, with two minutes of actual footage of the Pigasus nomination in 1968 . Unfortunately, the footage begins at 10:30 (10 & 1/2 minutes into the video) and is preceeded by largely unrelated material. I'll see if I can find other footage. Nelsondenis248 (talk) 03:47, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- I was able to include the New York Times material in the new section you created, "After the 1968 Democratic Convention." Also, an editor named Northamerica1000 is doing some great work. Nelsondenis248 (talk) 04:54, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- The Pigasus article is in much better shape now, with citations from the Chicago Tribune, New York Times, New York Daily News, Montreal Gazette and NPR. This wouldn't have happened without your tremendous research - it really turned the tide in the whole discussion, and showed everyone (including me) the seriousness at the heart of the story. Thanks again for a great contribution. Nelsondenis248 (talk) 04:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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- The article was Kept. You did a great thing. Nelsondenis248 (talk) 18:38, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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