User talk:ExoNeos/Archive 1

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Hello, your recent merge of Beach Head (G.I. Joe) to List of G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero characters did not provide any attribution in your edit summary (e.g. "merged X per AfD, see edit history for attribution"), which is considered copyright infringement. See WP:PROMERGE for how to correctly merge articles and let me know if you have any questions. GoldRomean (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

It has already been done. ExoNeos (talk) 18:46, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. You need attribution not just on the page being merged, but when moving the merged material to the new page. GoldRomean (talk) 18:59, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I merely followed this precedent. ExoNeos (talk) 19:02, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Not all examples are good; the IP didn't even do the merge, they just redirected the page, so I wouldn't really call that a "precedent". Like I said, the ideal thing to do in the future is to follow WP:PROMERGE. GoldRomean (talk) 19:09, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Ok, got it now. ExoNeos (talk) 19:10, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello. Have you previously edited under other accounts? Sergecross73 msg me 12:42, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I have observed wikipedia for a few years now and I finally decided to create an account in order to set things right here. ExoNeos (talk) 15:03, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I see. It's just, it's not normal for new editors to jump straight into things like page protection requests. Most wouldn't even know what that is, let alone where. And some of your requests have been quite bizarre. Why would you need to remove the move protection from Twilight Princess? It's very much like another editor I've interacted with recently. Sergecross73 msg me 15:20, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Because the move protection is a scar from vandalism, that is a wrong that needs to be rightened. ExoNeos (talk) 15:31, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

If you want to know more about me, look at my message history at WP:DISCORD. ExoNeos (talk) 16:09, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Your account has no record of any edits at that location. Is this admission of using other accounts then? Sergecross73 msg me 16:32, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

No, I mean the actual discord server, I am quite active there. ExoNeos (talk) 16:33, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not following. I ask you if you've had previous Wikipedia accounts...and you suggest I look you up on Discord? What? Sergecross73 msg me 16:39, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I am active on discord, you will understand my motives of being in Wikipedia there on the wikimedia community discord, which I am quite active on. ExoNeos (talk) 16:40, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

My concern is that you're using multiple accounts. Now I see you, allegedly at 35 edits to your name, are creating FA reviews. Again, not normal for a new editor. Sergecross73 msg me 16:45, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

No, I've been editing anonymously several years back. ExoNeos (talk) 16:47, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Then why, at User talk:Leonidlednev#Question from ExoNeos (22:33, 18 July 2025), did you ask the newcomer-level question "Hello there, how do I get started?" This seems inconsistent with your other varied and seemingly purpose-driven activities and with being an editor of several years' standing, so I don't think your non-specific question meant "How do I get started with editing?" How do you get started with what? Largoplazo (talk) 12:57, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Getting started with being an account editor instead of an anonymous one. ExoNeos (talk) 14:00, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

A registered user can shortly become able to edit in certain places (semi-protection) where IP users cannot, but there's no difference in how a registered user edits. I asked because it seemed odd that you'd approached an editor (seemingly chosen out of the blue) to ask how to do something you'd already been doing, and expecting that that editor would know what you meant by "start". Largoplazo (talk) 15:15, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Because that is what my homepage suggested. ExoNeos (talk) 16:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Please do not post LLM-generated proposals on noticeboards, as you did here. You also have had an account for one week and have not written any articles, so why are you making proposals regarding overhauling the GA and FA process in the first place? voorts (talk/contributions) 00:33, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Well I want to improve such articles to GA or FA status or propose existing articles to such status. ExoNeos (talk) 00:33, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I was able to significantly trim many plot summaries to standard. I was not able to write new articles because WP is mostly saturated now. ExoNeos (talk) 00:34, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Trimming a plot summary does not allow you to nominate an article for GA. You need to be a main contributor to an article. Posting LLM-generated slop on a noticeboard is not going to help you if your goal is to get an article to GA or FA. If you think the process is too difficult, as your proposal seems to indicate, I suggest you start slowly on Wikipedia and make small contributions to articles as you learn our policies and guidelines. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:39, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I know, but it's a good start, although can I get permission from a main contributor to nominate for GA? ExoNeos (talk) 00:42, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't think you have a sufficient understanding of Wikipedia's guidelines to take an article through the GA process, given that you had to be told just 24 hours after creating your account that you need to attribute when you copy within Wikipedia. (One of the GA criteria is no copyright violations.) voorts (talk/contributions) 00:47, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I already remedied that. ExoNeos (talk) 00:48, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

My point is that you didn't know that you had to attribute when copying. You can't know what you don't know. Please see Dunning–Kruger effect. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:50, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Competence may be required here, but it can certainly be acquired through time. ExoNeos (talk) 00:54, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

One week of editing is not enough time to gain any sort of competence, especially the competence to bring an article to GA/FA. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:56, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

But there is always mentorship and advice. ExoNeos (talk) 00:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, you should seek those things. Try WP:TEA if you need help with editing. Posting proposals at VPP and obsessing over getting articles to GA/FA within a week of creating your account is counterproductive to becoming a good editor. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:01, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

With possibility, there is desire. With desire, there is ambition. With ambition, there is progress. ExoNeos (talk) 01:04, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

@ExoNeos I considered myself a fairly competent editor. I waited a year after making my account to nominate an article for GA. It failed. In fact, my first three nominations all failed. In fact, my first GA only came this year – I created my account in 2022. I'm planning to attempt an FA later this year, but plan to be very cautious about it. Cremastra (talk · contribs) 00:18, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Dreamcast is a GA, but it can be objectively seen as an article that meets FA criteria, perhaps we can just ask the main contributors of that article to get it up to FA in a timely manner. ExoNeos (talk) 00:50, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I've written and reviewed a lot of good (reviews) and featured (reviews) articles. I made those contributions because I enjoyed writing the articles and getting them up to a good quality, not because someone pressured me to go through a process just so I could have the right to say "I brought this article to GA/FA". voorts (talk/contributions) 00:55, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

But goodwill and permission could go a long way. ExoNeos (talk) 01:01, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I often say, both on and off Wikipedia, that in order to propose and make meaningful change, you've got to first understand the "how" and "why" of the current system. You need to take the time to learn the basics, and write a few GA/FAs before you can meaningfully propose comprehensive and coherent proposals for change. Please do that if you wish to pursue this. Sergecross73 msg me 19:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Although it seems like I can't cite with visual editing due to a bug for some reason. I would like to make Sam Altman or ChatGPT good articles. I want to be able to have my edits a wide influence. ExoNeos (talk) 01:10, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

What do you want to have "wide influence" over? In any event, all getting something to GA means is that you went through a collaborative review process with a single other editor. That is not "wide influence". voorts (talk/contributions) 01:31, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

What about FA? Most GAs could be good FAs with only little work. ExoNeos (talk) 01:37, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Getting something to FA is the same thing but with at least four or five editors. GA and FA are basically just awards you get for doing a good or really good job in writing an article.

Most GAs could be good FAs with only little work. That is absolutely not true. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:40, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Could this be a good FA? -> Dreamcast ExoNeos (talk) 01:41, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not going to entertain this. You've gotten advice from several editors now that you should be focusing on learning how to edit Wikipedia. You should follow it. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Visual editor doesn't help me cite sources, and wikimarkup is way too clunky for what it is worth. ExoNeos (talk) 01:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

You can go to the WP:TEAHOUSE for advice on getting visual editor to work. There are also user scripts that can help you easily format cites. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:45, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

examples for such user scripts? ExoNeos (talk) 01:55, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:ProveIt. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:00, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abusing multiple accounts. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but not for illegitimate reasons, and any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted.

If you believe that there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:03, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

@Ponyo:, may I appeal my block via a chat? ExoNeos (talk) 19:05, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

You can appeal by posting the unblock template provided in the block notice. And for potential revewing admins, there was overlap over multiple IPs to edit the same topic area. I mean...compare to this. -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:09, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Well my appeal failed, what is next? I still want to be a good editor on Wikipedia. ExoNeos (talk) 17:56, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

The only "what next" actions available are whatever avenues are provided at Wikipedia:Appealing a block. If there are any you haven't tried, you can give them a go. If there are none left, it means you may no longer edit here. That's the point. Largoplazo (talk) 19:30, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

I have done UTRS, but I forgot my key for the appeal, I want to recover it since I have a verified email. How can I exactly do that? ExoNeos (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Well, my wifi changes a lot and I live next door to Grandmaster Huon, so naturally my computer's WiFi adapter chooses the network that has the best reception based on my location. ExoNeos (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

"Naturally"? Neither of you password-protects your wifi? Largoplazo (talk) 23:45, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

We both have each other's Wi-Fi password since we go to each others houses all the time. ExoNeos (talk) 00:03, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

And your close mentor, who was indeffed due to having multiple accounts, didn't think it would ever be problematic to share WiFi connections and passwords while making remarkable similar edits at the same articles? Sergecross73 msg me 01:30, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

What articles in question? The only time my mentor was indeffed for suspected multiple accounts was just today. Besides, we have similar interests. ExoNeos (talk) 02:08, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

Grandmaster Huon and I live in the same apartment complex and we often go together as friends. Grandmaster Huon was a great mentor of mine and taught me how to edit wikipedia as a relative newcomer after observing the site. So naturally we share some IPs together. They also inspired me to beyond the site and become a more influential person. I first wanted to focus on general improvements and improving accessibility of the site as well as having a say in how the place is governed. I hope this misunderstanding can be cleared. ExoNeos (talk) 19:12, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Hooey. Checkuser verified abuser of multiple accounts. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 02:26, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

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ExoNeos (talk) 19:12, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• So, if true, you're making edits alongside your Wikipedia "mentor", who was blocked 2 years ago for disruption in the same areas you are currently editing? This isn't really a question, just ensuring this is the explanation for the overlap that you're going with.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:26, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  Yes. ExoNeos (talk) 19:28, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  I wanted to learn from their mistakes. ExoNeos (talk) 19:29, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  This explanation is even more bizarre than your explanation about how you wanted to hurry up and get an article to FA status before an indeffed edit socked his way into doing it. These scenarios simply don't make any sense. Sergecross73 msg me 20:08, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  But I do have mentorship. ExoNeos (talk) 20:12, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  I mean, it sounds like there's two likely scenarios here. One is that you're Grandmaster Huon who got caught socking. Or two, you took mentorship from a person who got indef blocked for socking and ended up getting blocked. Neither scenario is good. Sergecross73 msg me 20:16, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  I took mentorship, but I only got blocked because of my message to you, not anything else, as I have been constructively editing mario pages. ExoNeos (talk) 20:20, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  Well I want to improve it on my own volition primarily, but also to make that problematic one stop. ExoNeos (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

• I got an edit conflict when declining this unblock request, but wanted to note that even if this explanation is accurate (which doesn't appear to be likely given the evidence), the block would still be warranted per WP:MEAT and WP:SHARE (Closely connected users may be considered a single user for Wikipedia's purposes if they edit with the same objectives.) - Aoidh (talk) 02:28, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

  But how can I return to Wikipedia? ExoNeos (talk) 02:34, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

{{UTRS help me}}

I forgot my appeal key and want to recover it, I have a verified email address for you to send it to. ExoNeos (talk) 22:22, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, we can't recover your appeal key. You'll have to submit another appeal. -- asilvering (talk) 00:25, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

I guess I'll wait for a while before my return. ExoNeos (talk) 01:03, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

I'll plan on returning when I graduate from college next year! ExoNeos (talk) 01:46, 13 August 2025 (UTC)