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Kautilya3, what are the cons of adding dots in this map for locations in Nepal and Bhutan such as Limi and Sakteng Wildlife Sanctuary#Territorial Dispute respectively?

250km
155miles

North Samar Lungpa

Limi valley, Humla

Susta territory

Kalapani territory

Sakteng WLS

Dibang

Lamang(?)

Fish-Tail -II

Fish-Tail -I

Dichu area

Shipki La

Sumdorong Chu

Tawang

Kaurik

Tashigang

Barahoti

Longju

Doklam

Asaphila

East of Point 6556

Trig Heights

Demchok

Chumar

opposite Dumchele

East of Mt Sajum

Spanggur Gap

N&S Pangong Tso

North of Kugrang River

Area of Kongka La

   

Red dots represent sensitive and disputed locations on the line of actual control (LAC) and tri-junction areas.^[1][2] Yellow dots represent Chinese claims in Nepal^[3][4] and Bhutan^[5]. These claims may or may not be officially recognized. Blue dots represent India Nepal territorial issues.

• links to all the locations
• dog
• horse
• cow
• sheep
• pig

For the eastern section of the LAC i've have copied the labels from the map I created currently placed in Sino-Indian border dispute. This intends to replace that one. (However what would be the point of adding the yellow and blue dots then). I should also shift this to a template (Template:Map of IN N NE border) before placing it in the article; touches up of course too. DTM (talk) 13:13, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

• Reply - It depends on where this map is supposed to go. If it is supposed to represent Sino-Indian border disputes, then the blue dots don't belong. Also the disputes between Nepal and China don't belong here. I like the yellow dots for Doklam and Sakteng, because they are related to the Sino-Indian border dispute. Of course, Bhutan has tons more disputes with them, which we shouldn't cover here. (And nobody knows the full extent of them anyway.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - Dibang Valley is the name of a district (two districts actually – Upper and Lower). We need something more refined to pinpoint the location. How about "Emra watershed"? I will make a redirect for Emra River. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

• The Emra watershed was "unexplored" even until independence, and possibly for several decades after that. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

• I started out at Emra River rather than the watershed. However I do see the watershed article in the making if there are other expeditions/treks into the area that recorded their journeys. DTM (talk) 07:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

• 
  Emra highlighted red
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  Namcha Barwa range; Namcha Barwa Himal

The maps look beautiful, especially the one on the left. Good start on Emra River too. I am working through a little OSM map in my sandbox. But that is supposed to mark all the rivers and passes we know.

Meanwhile here is a nice twitter thread on the lakes . Please see if we need to revise the names of the lakes. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Talking of "little OSM map", I remember you reduced the label sizes of the OSM map placed in Jaggang; light bulb in terms of map output. Though I still haven't decided on a standard set of label sizes as yet.

As for Dibang and the names of lakes, or even passes, I still haven't quite understood where most of names in the area are coming from apart from those eponymously named. Sources are scattered wider than most previous searches— Zikyen La (commons), Andra La (commons), Yangyap La/Yonggyap La (commons, osm), Athu popu/Kayala Pass (wikimapia, web), Inyi-Shamrah Peak (wikimapia), Glai pass(Glei pass) (osm), Galinggong (osm), Keya pass....

The best sources with collated information with regard to names/labels have been census and election maps for the district. DTM (talk) 10:38, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, the Indian maps don't have anything about the lakes. Some Chinese hikers encroached there and went back and told everybody that there was a Garden of Eden on the other side of the border. It was apparently sensational. The twitter thread has a video somewhere at the top.

The reason I mentioned the twitter thread to you is that the Tibetan name is apparently "Nyam", which got corrupted to "Niangmu" in Chinese transliteration and the OSM editors seem to have misspelt it as "Nangmu". We should go back and call it "Nyam". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:21, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

The other problem here is that most Indian maps were wrong until recently. If you look in the census handbook map, the jut out where the lakes are present is missing. This gave some OSM editor the bright idea that India is claiming territory beyond the McMahon Line. But the McMahon Line clearly shows a watershed border (unlike Tawang and Migyitun, which are special cases). So, I am planning to delete that line.

Meanwhile, here is for your reading pleasure. We haven't been told where the six "disputed" and four "sensitive" areas are. But I expect the Zabu La is one of them because the watershed isn't easy to figure out. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:58, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

TOI (Sept 2020) talks about and names six disputed areas and four sensitive ones. link. DTM (talk) 10:50, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

So, there is nothing in the Debang Valley other than the Fishtail? I suppose this is how the newspeople dump irrelevant tidbits to make it look like they know something! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Bringing the area in question (Zabu La) a little closer. (Though I have focused on Nyam rather than the pass). DTM (talk) 19:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Talking of "most Indian maps were wrong until recently"... here is a BJP MP Tapir Gao raising the issue in Lok Sabha in Feb 2020.^[6][7]

State Lok Sabha MP Tapir Gao has urged the Centre to redraw the State’s political map to include Angie Valley of Anini besides, Drai Calley, Kajab and Kayo Valleys of Chaglagam area in Anjaw district. [...] more than 120 kilometres have been carved out by the Survey of India and British India in mentioned areas of the State's eastern boundary with China. "More than 120 kilometres had been carved out by Survey of India in Angie Valley-Fish Tail-1(FT-1) in Dibang Valley district. Also in Fish Tail-2 (FT-2), like Drai Valley, Kajab Valley and Kayo Valley of Chaglagam areas in Anjaw district" said Gao. "Hadigra Dakahru Pass, Galai Tagaru Pass and Tatu Pass in Chaglagam areas are on top of the hill and all border outposts (BoPs) exist outside the drawn map. The political map should be redrawn including all these areas as per the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and Watershed Policy"

From both the Diplomat, TOI articles and Tapir Gao's statements as well as yours, we can say one thing, there are many areas in this region which are not publicly outlined properly. Zabu La is part of this at the moment. DTM (talk) 10:50, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Bhai log,

1. You can file a suggestion on PM portal to correct these maps and instruct ASI to quietly NOTIFY new maps. Following style works best "To ensure prompt execution, ASI must assign it to a director level or above rank as nodal officer. ASI must notify these changes within 1 month and send a compliance report to PMO 2 days after that (1 month plus 2 days from now)." The trick is to (a) write the suggestion in a tone as if you are the PM (it will be copy paste forwarded to ASI) and (b) instruct a senior level rank to be in-charge (senior ownership with capability to make things happen), (c) put a deadline in your suggestion (urgency, and no delay), (d) ask for status report fed back to PMO (creates "I/PM will be watching you" type of fear in babus). This puts babus in high gear with sense of urgency and purpose. Some outsourced computer operate in PMO will read it, and forward to ASI, which will take it as PM's instruction. Babus are then good at following it blindly. Otherwise it never gets done, they delegate it to a lowly clerk, as no one takes ownership and they drown it in red tape of chain of approvals, etc. It works well if you are sending suggestions to PM and CMs, try it.

2. DTM, yes, you must include the Shakteng (and other areas in Bhutan) and Nepal's disputed area because they are part of the "context", which is also a "contiguous line along the Himalaya. Wiki guidelines are clear that article (and, hence, the corresponding map too) must be "self contained" and "standalone" and hence must capture the "context" too. Those articles which fail this criteria are tagged with the "context needed" tag and they never make it to the "good articles" list. Many of these bi-lateral disputes have neighbors tri-lateral and multi-lateral aspects too, e.g. Wakhan, Shaksgam, Siachen, Kalpeni, Doklam, Shaktang, China-Bhutan McMohan based settled IB, etc. Further more, India is building ICBR roads through Bhutan ("Nathu la - Doklam Road" is one of the ICBR). India is also proving aid for building ICBR type roads through Bhutan and Nepal which will negate India's Siliguri Chicken Neck Corridor vulnerability and provide India faster/alternative access to Tawang. Simply code these in 7 or more colors for the following: India vs China disputed sites, India vs Nepal, Bhutan vs China, China vs Nepal, China and Bhutan's settled McMohan border, China-Afghanistan disputed Wakhan Corridor which is tri-junction of India's claim and hence has implications for many nations, part of China-Tajikistan border contiguous to Wakhan (~60% China-Tajikistan border is disputed by China, you map could include only the part which sits next to Wakhan). Your map must include and "annotate" (a) the part of China-Myanamr border (closer to India border) settled on the basis of McMohan line, the very same line which China rejects with India. Then this map could be reused across multiple articles. Can't have bits and pieces of zigsaw puzzle type several maps which serve "siloed article" (which will not make it to "good articles" list). Having lesser number of comprehensive maps with better context and better reusability across multiple articles is a better practice. It reduces the effort/cost/investment in development and maintenance of the map. This principal in software engineering and "content management systems" is called the "encapsulation" (equivalent term in hardware engineering is plug-and-play "modular hardware") which delivers better ROI for your effort. Wikipedia is just an open-source content-management website. 58.182.176.169 (talk) 15:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

OSM relations

I finally created my first relation on OSM; Nyam Lake (12873385), consisting of Deza Nyam Lake and Chong Nyam Lake. DTM (talk) 13:30, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Cool! That is a difficult one to create because the two pieces were disconnected. In general, it is not recommended to do that. So, I added the stream in between to make it connected. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the above edit. Will keep this in mind.

I will spend some time on OSM so here is my to do list for now (based on this commons:File:Brahmaputra-river-basin.png). While I have written done, do point out any glaring errors or things I may have overlooked please.

Arunachal Pradesh major rivers and their basins (OSM To Do)

More information River, OSM Relations ...

Arunachal Pradesh major rivers and their basins (OSM To Do)

River	OSM Relations		Map on Commons		Maplink	Wikidata
	River	Basin	River	Basin		Main	Basin	Tributaries
Kameng	id:12876178	id:12877781				Q3652914	Q20942028
Subansiri	id:9310973	id:12884744				Q1709162	Q107539347
Siang	id:1067987	id:12894327
Dibang	id:12845674	id:12891027				Q4161089	Q107539378
Lohit	id:12907805	id:12892079				Q1083286	Q107539408

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DTM (talk) 07:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Wow, great work! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Why is everything turning red? Blue is better for rivers! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:25, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3; When selecting 'relations' on OSM, the default is orange/red, for everything. I am yet to create the final version via umap. Those will be in blue. DTM (talk) 09:41, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Bhai, please include the following in your To Do list. 1. Location of existing and planned dams (color code to differentiate the two), 2. Major bridges (color code to differentiate the following 4: road bridge vs rail bridge vs dual bridge vs tunnel). For example the district HQ Yingkiong has no bridge over the Siang river, and to go to Geling you have to go 70 km south to find a bridge and then back up, see here. though there is India's largest cable stayed footbridge (Gandhi Footbridge) opened there in 2019. 58.182.176.169 (talk) 16:50, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Chottu, there are many online sources and books on UPSC exams or the concerned state's civil services exams. Their General Knowledge section has detailed info on the lists (sometimes with maps) of rivers, valleys, passes, etc, which I found useful in the past. Some of these might just be blogs, discussion boards, and obscure websites or youtube videos. These are good in providing basic info on topic that are hard to find in media. Once we know the exact topic, then we can search for sources on google scholar, online journal and databases (through online national library in your location or through university). After my PhD over, I no longer have access to university online journals databases for a long time. I still have online access to Singapore National Library, which has many eDatabases and eJournals including ProQuest, EBSCOhost, JSTOR and many more. I have not put it to use yet. If you want I can find a way to send you my id and pwd. Let me know. Once you read it, do not archive it, instead kind of delete it (edit it out). 58.182.176.169 (talk) 16:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I like how you did the Bhai Chotu thing it was like a lightbulb when I got it... I will let you know about the journals and databases, thank you. Congrats on the completion of your PhD. DTM (talk) 10:14, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Andrella Valley

The maps are looking great. But we need a way to mark these places . -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC) Amended link. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3; Mipi is sometimes in Nyingchi according to Google Maps; this would mean India administers Chinese territory in the same way Pakistan administers Indian territory.^[Humor] Least of the mapping concerns on the horizon.^{[understatement]}

Coming back to this part of Dibang Valley District; Mathun Valley is relatively well known, the district government has it on its official website. What would the lead spelling of Andrella Valley be? Andrella or Andrala?

DTM (talk) 14:16, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, most people on Twitter seem to think that "Andrella" is a corruption of "Andrala". But I see two problems with the theory.

• One would call it "Andra valley" or "Andra river valley" rather than naming the valley on the pass at the head of it.
• "Andra La" is marked as the border on the 1914 McMahon Line map. So there should be no confusion about where the border is (unlike the eastern border, which is quite confused).

Also one of the news reports said that it was to the "northeast" of Mipi. But, after considerable searching, I couldn't find anything resembling "Andrella" in the northeast. So we will probably have to go with Andrala.

This would go into a page on Mipi, Arunachal Pradesh. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

What else do you think I could mark on this map? Mishmi Hills is one. Would marking some valleys, as discussed above Andrala and Mathun, make sense in this map? DTM (talk) 10:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I could even put some elevation labels! DTM (talk) 11:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

DiplomatTesterMan, Well done and thanks for all the effort. From readers perspective the most of readership traffic will come from media reports if there is geostrategic flare up or construction of large infra there. Hence, please put the locations of major villages, posts, historical battle/caravan/expedition sites, proposed/existing infra (dam, bridge, tunnel, etc, e.g. for this area Arunachal Frontier Highway has been proposed which Kiren Rijju has been pushing for since 2014 and it roughly passes through circle HQs closest to LAC). 58.182.176.169 (talk)

I am happy with this image as is. Anything more will clutter it up. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:50, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3; thank you! Now that I have taken a breather, I think I can take up something I have wanted to do a quite some time, create a set of maps, same format, text, colours etc. Using this same scheme, I will try another district in Arunachal. DTM (talk) 09:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

As for Mr/Mrs IP...points have been noted. The Arunachal Frontier Highway, this is going to take decades... why not share roads with China? We drive through Tawang into China, use their roads, and then re-enter India at places such as Medog. DTM (talk) 09:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

That is great. One other idea. If you can figure out how to put geocoordinates on to them, then we can use them as locator maps. For example, try locating Hayuliang on the Lohit basin map. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:39, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Lohit Basin location map test. DTM (talk) 12:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Lohit Basin location map test

Hayuliang

Location map many.

Hayuliang

Lohit Basin location map many test

DTM (talk) 12:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Inkscape SVG

SVGs and Inkscape expand the scope.

DTM (talk) 15:37, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Kyang Thang scores. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:12, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to follow all these new names. They're not in the general Indian psyche and I doubt they should/will ever be. Is this the same as Shakche ALG that Indian media were covering?^[1] (... not Shache Airport). Going by this list 'List of airports in China' we can create Tashkurgan Airport. I will go ahead and create it; confusions will probably sort themselves out. However it may be too soon since completion is next year.

DTM (talk) 09:22, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

The ABP/ANI news leak is quite garbled. "Shakche" is obviously a misspelling of "Shache", which is a name of Yarkand. Tashkurgan is to the west. I would expect that it is a real airbase for fighter/bomber operations, not an ALG (which would only be good for logistics). Similar elevation to Leh is obviously the military rationale. There are loads of hits for "Taashkurgan airport". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:04, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

By the way, Shache-Tashkurgan-Bolor was the traditional route into India. That is what Xuan Zhang etc. followed. Presumably that was also the route through which Kanishka invaded India (though it boggles my mind how horses could have managed those mountain tracks, which were said to be difficult even for mountaineers in the British times). It was only after the Caliphate came here and then withdrew that the region became too rowdy for travelers. Then it was advantage Ladakh. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:27, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3, you've written "boggles my mind how horses could have managed those mountain tracks".... Kyang Thang's would have less of a problem. However whenever they make statues or write the histories of past rulers, they never put them on mules or donkies or asses etc, always some "grander" animal like the horse or elephant or flying beast. Mules are much more studier for carrying loads across long distances in this terrain. Thang does indeed score.

Tashkurgan is located in such a dramatic area. While this area is familiar, my zoom level in the past has never consciously gone past 7 in OSM language. DTM (talk) 13:59, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

An invading Central Asian army would be nothing without horses. So the horses came, definitely, but by which route? I will have to look in Ahmad Hasan Dani sometime. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Ahmad Hasan Dani, what a life! DTM (talk) 16:22, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

"So the horses came, definitely, but by which route?"— I still haven't been able to shift my mind to this part of history. (edit: though the question is interesting) DTM (talk) 16:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

The full image on Commons has an "imagemap" highlighting all the destroyed buildings on the hill slope. I presume it was the result of the Cultural Revolution but nobody is saying. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:00, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

This is like those viral images "can you spot the animal".... "can you spot the ruins"...

Lonely Planet calls the "ruins" as "impressive". I wonder if the undestroyed buildings would have been called "impressive". This isn't to say ruins in general shouldn't be called impressive, such as the Colosseum, which we celebrate... searching "monasteries destroyed by china" on Google gives Larung Gar. Another Colosseum indeed. This article could do with some touching up too.

Destroyed monasteries such as the Fuyun Temple^[1][2] have the potential to be rebuilt (Ref: in 1994, the Buddhists are allowed to rebuild old monasteries), however,

... with many historic sites having been rebuilt as static museums without any dynamic religious life within. They are also under increasing pressure to visibly and enthusiastically ally themselves to the party-state, and to redefine themselves as symbols of an imagined national identity that minimizes or excludes recognition of foreign influences and inspirations.1

Also, the Chinese aren't doing something new, they're just doing something that other countries gave up a long time ago, knowing better; Category:Monasteries destroyed during the French Revolution, Category:Destroyed mosques; though the Chinese don't fit into this category I think, that of conversion, Category:Religious buildings and structures converted into mosques. Some category sorting is also called for.

Tengdro Monastery^[3] could go into List of Tibetan monasteries, this in turn could do with a new section "List of destroyed Tibetan monasteries" and "List of rebuilt Tibetan monastries"; of course only notable destruction or rebuilding would go into the sections. And yes I deviated from Rudok Dzong a little.... Lots to do. DTM (talk) 18:02, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

This is Kabra Altaf, a kashmir born indian judo player, i have been playing this sport from past 10 years and have won several national medals, titles, khelo india medals and have been part of india camps and other prestigious sports institutes of india. I request you to help me in creating my wikipedia page! Ahleem altaf (talk) 16:29, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Ahleem altaf, hi! There is a related draft article— Draft:Kabra Altaf. It was declined by an admin on 4 August 2021, "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject...". Further " guidelines for sports persons and athletes" has to be considered.

So we have two basic points here,

1. Are there enough reliable references that cover Kabra Altaf significantly?
2. Does the article meet guidelines for sports notability?

I have gone through the references in the draft. I think it would not be possible to get this through Articles for Creation (AFC) at this stage. If you want to try resubmitting it after improvements, do go ahead. Remember that we are all volunteers here. These comments are my personal opinions.

There are some lines such as "the only athlete from Kashmir to win a medal in the Khelo India University Games 2020" which could find its way into Sports in Jammu and Kashmir under a section for "Khelo India" such as "Participation in Khelo India" which would combine JKs participation in the Khelo India Winter Games as well as the other Khelo India Games. But you should note that some of the content already on the page Sports in Jammu and Kashmir may not pass scrutiny. Even this addition to 'Sports in Jammu and Kashmir' will have to keep in mind guidelines and policies.

In short, being on Wikipedia in no big deal! If you aren't on it just now, it doesn't mean you don't exist or aren't doing quality work. If I think an article is clearly and legitimately possible as per Wikipedia policies and guidelines, I would have already created it without writing such a long reply. DTM (talk) 03:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Maybe another attempt at the article can be made after a couple of months/years. DTM (talk) 03:34, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Some frontier studies on youtube and his web site https:theperspective.co.in. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! DTM (talk) 08:26, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

The map labeling is really done nicely. I have to get around to labelling a 3D image, maybe of Pangong Tso, so then the 2D and 3D images can be considered together. DTM (talk) 10:13, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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Why did you remove these? This is exactly what 'See also' is meant for. Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Pieceofmetalwork; MOS:ALSO says a couple of things in support for adding and for not including a see also section and links, as well as making a number of neutral statements.

Personally I have had a Wikipedia experience related to this, that is of adding a past death to a recent death in the see also section, where there is some sort of connection such as profession or method of death or nationality etc.

This was during the expansion of an article about a dead Baloch activist (where the counter article was Sajid Hussain (journalist)) and the subsequent ITN nomination. A comment by an editor (admin) "I'm more concerned about the, to my mind, unencyclopedic speculation over her cause of death." and the general reactions of Wikipedia editors (as evident by the article's history) stuck in my mind. Further, an editor removed my inclusion of the see also section in Hussain's article with this comment (edit link) removed section, WP:OR added by User:DiplomatTesterMan in Special:Diff/996051322, no WP:RS claim relation to Karima Baloch).

By mentioning this example I am not stating that what happened in that article with respect to the see also section can be generalised to other articles including the articles of the diplomats in question etc etc, what I am saying is that this example above was in my mind and influenced the decision. If you want to restore the see also section that is your "editorial" decision as per MOS:ALSO, however I feel biography rules also do not support the inclusion of this. DTM (talk) 06:43, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to explain. In this case both of these deaths were subject to some conspiracy theories, but the mainstream view was that they were natural deaths, as well as both being just after a quarantine period. Since we have to be a bit stricter on biographies, I agree to leave it out. There will probably be some news articles discussing both deaths that allow a short mention in the main body anyway. Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 07:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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Dear DTM and Kautilya3,

FYI, today I cleaned up the outdated and very messy Naxalite–Maoist insurgency (LWE) as well as the corresponding Red corridor articles, see the article talkpage for the summary of changes. You might be interested in this new section I added - LWE infra projects - because it is similar to India-China Border Roads (ICBR) and it also falls within your area of interest "India's national security". There is scope for expansion, e.g. addition of new highways, railways, etc under construction, etc. Please feel free to directly edit/revise those articles. For now, I am done with these articles. Thank you and good night. 58.182.176.169 (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I am not going to look at this page for now. Regard. DTM (talk) 06:40, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Amit Shah should do some more footwork. DTM (talk) 06:48, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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