User talk:GiantSnowman/2022

Hi there - I took the Kelantan appearances and goals from this Kelantan page, which seems to have taken the stats from the Malaysian FA page here^[1] - I've double checked against the individual line-ups for each game under the "result" tab. Cha06ns (talk) 16:21, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, regarding Special:Diff/1069039952 – the English Wikipedia norm is to refer to Icelandic persons with their given name, as they typically don't have a real surname. This is something I originally learned to do by editing English Wikipedia. (: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Country-specific usage and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Subsequent use. See also Template:Icelandic name, which was actually present at the top of Arnór Ingvi Traustason before I edited as well. /Julle (talk) 11:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, this guy is editing under 93.143.73.189 (talk · contribs). Could you please block him? Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Shouldn't he be blocked indefinitely, given that's he's using a sockpuppet (and for his harassment towards MYS77 in the past)? Nehme₁₄₉₉ 15:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

He's now harassing me at simple.wiki and commons... How should I deal with this inter-wiki situation? Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Nicolas Tié is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 14:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I wrote this article on Saturday, which you deleted, with no explanation or communication, and replaced it with a version of your own, containing less information. I am unsure as to why you did this, or why you felt I did not deserve even a heads up. I then created a version including my extra information, which was sourced, plus some elements of your version. You have now reverted my additions, and I'd like an explanation as to why I'm apparently not allowed to edit this article. Your edit summary "rv to last good version" was one I found very rude and not a little insulting. Can you elaborate on which elements of my input were not good? Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I have also had problems with his account deleting my edits on certain pages, and then replacing them with their own which were same as the original?! Seems he likes to take ownership of certain pages and deletes anything that he didn’t upload. Liverpool445 (talk) 21:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Liverpool445: any examples please? GiantSnowman 21:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't consider deleting my version and replacing it with yours, directly from your userspace, a merge. You merged the histories, but you replaced every word I'd written, even slightly rewording the intro to say exactly the same thing that I'd said. You say you had a problem with two words I wrote, yet replaced the entire text. The two words you objected to, "featured regularly", were sourced at the end of that sentence. The Orient source says Coleman was a "mainstay" at King's Lynn, a word I did not care to repeat due to potential copyvio (so I paraphrased), and the guy played in 20 of their 23 matches this season, clearly featuring regularly. You seriously think that's contentious enough to replace the entire text? Why replace my entire text with your text, which contained less information, instead of simply removing the words you objected to? Like anybody else would? You say "POV like" those two words, so what else? What other POV exists in my version? You removed my table entirely, even though you then replaced it with an identical table, plus your sources. Why didn't you just add the source to my table? Why didn't you explain any of your objections in your edit summaries so that I might have understood your concerns? Respectfully, it looks a lot like you considered my edits "unsuitable" merely because they were not yours. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

But I didn't delete 'your' version - the history is there! If a source says he was a mainstay, then directly quote using quotation marks. Why didn't you source the table yourself to begin with? I'm here to collaborate, so happy to discuss a compromise on the article talk page. GiantSnowman 22:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

The history is there, but none of what I wrote remains in the article, the sources, nothing. I received a note on my watchlist from the deletion log, saying "G6: Deleted to make way for move". I naturally assumed that's a deletion. If quoting the article is better than using other words to say the same thing, then we can do that. Not sourcing the table was an oversight. It did not require removal, twice, just to add a source. Why didn't you just request a source? We can discuss a compromise on the talk page, yes. I planned to expand the text anyway; I just didn't have time on Saturday. Then I saw little point in expanding the text if it was not going to be allowed to remain. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

To be fair, 'your' version also removed all the sources that I had added. This tit-for-tat is not conducive to proper collaborative editing; so I have updated the article and await your comments on the article talk page. GiantSnowman 09:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi. If you're experienced with copyright, it'd be better you control the photo which has been inserted to this page today. I'm afraid it violate the copyright Dr Salvus 19:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

He's back as 93.137.10.199. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

And 93.137.14.176‎. I had submitted a request at ANI, but nothing has changed... Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, I meant Croatian. I got confused with BosnianBeast. Anyway, the Croatian IP is the "Bhutan" guy who harassed me cross-wiki. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 15:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

That's good, though he has vowed to continue as long as he's alive, so we'll see if he keeps his promise. Nehme₁₄₉₉

Yeah, it didn't last much. 93.143.105.184. I keep updating the AN post each time I find a new IP btw. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 12:09, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

He has now resorted to writing my full name in edit summaries. Can you please hide these two (, )? Also, can't you personally do a long-term range block? This will never stop... I can now see why MYS stopped editing. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I mean, take a look at these: , . The guy is not right in the head. Surely all these attacks warrant an immediate long-term IP range block! Nehme₁₄₉₉ 20:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

93.138.238.225 (again using my full name). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 13:17, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, I noticed that you deleted the 2021–22 Rahmatganj MFS season article, due to lack of notability. I think I have enough sources that proof that Rahmatganj MFS will take part in the upcoming Bangladesh Football Premier League (2021/22) season. (Source1) (Source2) (Source3). Since the page is protected i cannot create the article and I'm sure these sources are proof enough that the team is taking part in the upcoming League season (which started on 3rd February). Please let me know if I'm allowed can create the page.FNH004 (talk) 07:35, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

He's back as 93.142.147.222. He's written nonsense messages on many users' talk pages (including mine). I've seen the discussion above and I'm not the only person Dr Salvus 08:42, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Discard this message, the IP's just been blocked for 1 year Dr Salvus 08:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Giantsnowman

I would like to get in contact with you about a particular page re a footballer.

Thanks Benforan (talk) 01:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi GS. 188.164.221.8 (talk · contribs · IP contribs · WHOIS) has been editing disruptively at Albanian football articles for a long time. It's mainly updating caps without updating timestamps. They've been blocked a few times, most recently in November for one month. A new block would be helpful. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 10:37, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 22:44, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

• 78.1.21.101 (talk · contribs · IP contribs · WHOIS)
• (Redacted)
• Cedarball (talk · contribs)

These difs should also be deleted: , , . Nehme₁₄₉₉ 12:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: - all sorted by @Zzuuzz:. GiantSnowman 18:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

The update I added was sourced from the link which shows 10 appearances and one goal if friendlies are included - scroll down to the bottom of the page for the 10 matches. Zanoni (talk) 20:27, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the clarification Zanoni (talk) 20:33, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I know the spells were separate, I left them separated out in the infobox, I only combined them in the Career Statistics section, where I was under the impression we take more of a year-by-year approach rather than a 'spell-by-spell' approach? I think I first saw it on the page for Wilfried Zaha, where it happens twice (2012-13 & 2014-15). Nonleagueapps (talk) 20:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I've noticed that you have repeatedly used DMY date format when updating Marlon Fossey's stats in the infobox instead of MDY format. I even left a note to remind you to use the appropriate date format, which you promptly both deleted and ignored with your most recent update. Please, when updating statistics within the infobox of a footballer, make sure you update the timestamp using the appropriate date format. In Fossey's case, you can do this by using {{subst:mdytime}} to create an automatic MDY timestamp. Anwegmann (talk) 22:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Quick facts Six years! ...

Precious

Six years!

Close

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

There now seem to be no totals rows at all for CPFC. Was that your intention? Eagleash (talk) 17:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Anthony Plant is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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I don't want to continue to be involved in reverting the edits of a user who I would clearly say is the player concerned. He's deleted again the whole (sourced( club section, re-added the clubs that cannot be adequately sourced and has changed DOB and height. Even sitting in bed with Covid I would rather work on other articles. I have requested page protection. Hope you had a good vacation. Zanoni (talk) 13:03, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Resolved, Zanoni (talk) 14:30, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I wonder if you'd consider moving your article Bamse (St. Bernard) to Bamse (dog), per what seems to be the common naming of dog-articles per Category:Individual dogs. I think it takes an admin to do it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:51, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, could you please do a mistmerge for Luka Stankovski and my draft (User:Nehme1499/sandbox/Luka Stankovski)? The page creator agreed to do so (talk page). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

You may want to consider adding editor Klõps, to your Estonia PoV pushing report. See the Leo Komarov BLP. That's at least three editors attempting to re-write history. GoodDay (talk) 22:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

My impression is that BM's siding with the pro-Estonian PoV & he isn't going to budge. GoodDay (talk) 20:10, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

This isn't the first or even second time I've noticed you removing and changing content of DYK articles when you don't have a single clue what you're on about - so when this is the case, instead of just changing information to something that could be wrong or misleading, you should go to the talkpage and leave a note saying something like "I don't know the specifics of this event/person/other subject, but I've noticed that X in the article might go against WP policy". DYK articles have recently been improved just to appear on the MP, so someone who knows much more than you will likely be watching and willing to answer. Kingsif (talk) 10:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I know your edits are in good faith, but when on multiple occasions you assume things and try to edit in line with that, and each time someone has to swing by and correct you and the article, the pattern of behavior becomes disruptive. Asking first would be better for everyone. Kingsif (talk) 10:10, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

This is another friendly - genuinely - message. I see you like opening ANI threads, and I have not read any but the one where you accuse me of a personal attack, so I cannot comment on how valid the others are. But I have, at least for cases like our not-much-of-a-dispute, a suggestion, (which I realized is what I would have, instead of ANI, expected) after I left the comment at ANI that I am of the opinion that dragging someone to ANI over one word that even in the worst case isn't a personal attack is a massive over-escalation. I'm sure you are aware of Template:Uw-npa1, which would be more appropriate than ANI for non-persistent incivility; I suppose you're also aware that the regulars don't like to be templated, and the suggestion is to leave a personal message. That's what I've done with you, and what I would have expected if you were actually concerned about CIVIL: a new thread, with the diff link, saying you think it's uncalled for. I don't know if you've had unpleasant exchanges that now make ANI your first stop, or if you were just particularly riled today, but I hope you take this for the suggestion and olive branch it is. Kingsif (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kingsif: - no, I don't like opening ANI threads, what a ridiculous/baseless/bad faith thing to say. Makes me think you are actively trolling now, and now in no way do I think what you say above is 'genuine'. How was I supposed to leave you a message when you simply keep reverting me? And it would have fallen on deaf ears when you have double downed on it. All you had to do was say "sorry, I got annoyed, I shouldn't have said it, I won't do it again" and I would have been fine. GiantSnowman 11:56, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Dude, it was a joke because the section two above is about an ANI. I thought making a light-hearted joke would be well-received and help to diffuse what I felt was your hostility. No, that is not backtracking, I was genuinely trying here. Your consistent accusations of bad faith don't make me confident you'll accept this, of course. (And hey, I'd appreciate a "sorry, I got upset, I shouldn't have gone to ANI", so let's call it even and please move on.) Kingsif (talk) 16:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kingsif: - do not "dude" me, and jokes are only jokes if they are funny. You have been told at ANI not to make further comments like your original insult, so my post was clearly merited. Your attempted explanation is pathetic. Please do not post here again unless it is an apology. GiantSnowman 17:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello!

Per Heesxiisolehh agreed to stop adding OR and you told me to let you know when I notice any further issues.

Just wanted to let you know that he has already breached that agreement, and proceeded to readd original research (see here), just four days after he agreed to stop. In addition to that, he accused me of adding OR and misrepresenting sources. ()

Like I outlined on the report I very much doubt he is fit to edit on this encyclopedia given his history and continuing to add OR. If he won't stop after an admin explicitly tells him to, what other options are there? Gebagebo (talk) 22:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gebagebo and Heesxiisolehh: - Gebagebo, the information looks sourced to me, what is OR exactly about it? Heesxiisolehh if this was OR then you will be indefinitely blocked in the near future OK? GiantSnowman 10:53, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Well there are several points that are original research:

1. First is him claiming that the Dervish movement started in 1895, when there is scholarly consensus that it started in 1899. For this he uses Pilgrim, preacher and pretender by Alfred Pearce, which only mentions that the tribes "regard him as a court of appeal in their tribal disputes". Nothing that remotely implies the start of the movement.

2. He's pushing the idea that the Dervishes aimed to establish a state in the Nugaal and the Nugaal only. The cited sources in that part only mention how the Nugaal was his base of operations at best, and do not mention the Mullah's intent of establishing a state. In the Shadow of Conquest only mentions an angry letter from the Mullah, Official history of the operations in Somaliland, 1901-04 only mentions Nugaal as an area where the main operations would be conducted, Horn of Africa, Volume 1, Issue 2 only mentions forts the Mullah built for his people/soldiers, Socialist Somalia: Rhetoric and Reality, The Shaping of Somali Society, The History of Somalia and Somalia, a Country Study refer to the Illig Treaty, where the Italians granted the Mullah protected status in the Nugaal among other concessions, Frontier and Overseas Expeditions from India only mentions an advance on Nugaal, and lastly Translocal Connections across the Indian Ocean: Swahili Speaking Networks on the Move only mentions the Mullah calling for jihad in the Nugaal.

Per Wikipedia rules the citations need to directly back up any claims on any article. None of the citations back up anything he has written. This seems to be WP:SYNTH territory as well since he's using half a dozen sources to come to a conclusion not supported by any of them. Gebagebo (talk) 11:57, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gebagebo and Heesxiisolehh: - Gebagebo, thanks for clarifying. Heesxiisolehh, please provide an explanation as a matter of urgency. GiantSnowman 12:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Giantsnowman.

The discrepancy in sources between 1895 and 1899 are that the latter date is when hostilities began over armaments, but with in-line cites, I am fine with both dates. For anyone interested, these are the sources I envisioned:

Just to preempt anyone trying to hyperbole my statements in the future, I believe Dervishes had an emphasis for Nugaal, not only. Note that the cession of Nugal was preceded by negotiations. If Dervishes negotiated for the Nugal then something you negotiate for is something you seek. The sources below use a combination of coveting, with the usage of country, state, or rule:

There is undue weight pertaining to Dervish demographics:

I'm kinda in a hurry so I had to scribble this pretty quick, but my main gripe with Gebagebo's edits is I get the sense that his approach to sources at one time is demographically over-communizing, then followed by being over selective / restrictive, with subsequent areas I feel WP:Undue ending in a brush. Heesxiisolehh (talk) 01:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Most of those sources do not support what you're claiming, with you doing original analysis which should be left to secondary sources, the actual scholars. "I believe Dervishes had an emphasis for Nugaal, not only" does not explain why you have edited to reflect that the Dervishes aimed to establish a state in Nugaal only (, , among others), which no source has explicitly stated.

Also regarding demographics, reliable sources state that the Dervishes were a multi-clan movement rather than a movement that is predominantly Dhulbahante (althought they made a bulk of its members), a POV you have pushed, especially early on as you introduced new terminology like "Dhulbahante fort" or "Dhulbahante garesa" to replace "Dervish fort" or become a synonym of the term, which is not only pure original research but also misusing of sources and clear POV (see , , , , , , , , just to name a few). This seems to indicate a certain bias in favour of a clan while attempting to erase the participation of other clans who were constituent parts of the movement.

As for the inaccuracies, I restored most of the page to the state it was before you added your original research, and is therefore not content that I have personally contributed myself. To address them separately,

• Again not my text however for the sake of WP:BURDEN I have corrected that.
• The sentence "In 1913, after the British withdrawal to the coast" is still factually correct since it does not imply that the British withdrew in 1913, but rather mentions a time period after the British withdrawal to the coast.
• Per WP:BURDEN I added a reliable source that explicitly mentions the capture of Burao and its watering places in August 1899 (text erroneously said 1898)
• Per WP:BURDEN I have removed that part for now and reworded the section since I could not find a reliable source to back it up. Will research this further tomorrow.
• That is an issue that is out of scope of this topic. The source cited for this section explicitly mentions that the teachings of the founder of the Salihiyyah tariqa, Muhammad Salih, was influenced by Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd al-Wahhab, founder of the Wahhabi movement. Gebagebo (talk) 02:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

The main issue is however that you told @GiantSnowman: that you agreed to stop original research, but then resorted to original research after, breaching the agreement within quite literally four days. Gebagebo (talk) 02:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gebagebo and Heesxiisolehh: TLDR - I don't have the time to wade through all of that. As per the latest ANI please start a RFC/DRN rather than clogging up my talk page. GiantSnowman 08:50, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi GS. The blocked 188.164.221.8 (talk · contribs · IP contribs · WHOIS) has returned as 188.164.221.51 (talk · contribs · IP contribs · WHOIS). What to do? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 00:11, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Good idea, would do that. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:56, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Read the last edit's edit summary at Cristian Volpato. What should be done? How could we verify that they've said the truth? Dr Salvus 07:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Having a prob with an editor on here.Justanother2 (talk) 10:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Can you advise? You have been on here quite a while.Justanother2 (talk) 10:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

You mentioned email. I don't know if you meant Wikipedia special email through the site or what.Justanother2 (talk) 10:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Could I request that you answer me on this page? I suppose asking you to help with that specific editor would be a good thing. Also as you say on your user page you can be emailed. I haven't used the Wikipedia emailing system; guess you aren't using off site email for the same purpose.Justanother2 (talk) 10:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: - you keep asking for help without giving any details. Either provide details of the issue so I can try and help, or (respectfully) go away and stop wasting my time. GiantSnowman 10:44, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Fynsta is following me, seeming to create an agenda, being a nuisance, etc. This editor wont stop bombarding me.Justanother2 (talk) 10:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: - any evidence of that? GiantSnowman 10:49, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Ya, there will probably always be disagreements on here about where to put commas (especially in a list of more than three items). You can see how often this user has reverted edits I made. There's no middle ground it seems with this editor.Justanother2 (talk) 10:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: nope, I can't see that in the edit history, and in the absence of you providing any evidence and no ongoing disruption, there is nothing to do here. GiantSnowman 10:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Following me to the relay article is proof. I don't know what you mean. It is very obvious.Justanother2 (talk) 11:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: I presume you are referring to this? If so that is not evidence of stalking or disruptive editing. GiantSnowman 11:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Don't take this in an unintended manner. You have been on here a long time; you are an admin. You have seen problem editors. This user is determined to track me. They do follow, they revert some of my edits. There is no justification for such behavior. I already mentioned that not everyone on here agrees. They don't go around causing trouble though.Justanother2 (talk) 11:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: you are making unsubstantiated claims about other editors. I see no evidence of what you complain of. There is no need for any admin action. GiantSnowman 11:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

We disagree but this is why people stop editing on here. Users like that one drive them away by whatever ways they pick. You certainly have seen people get discouraged. It's unfortunate that you don't stop the situations. Not sure how much proof you need that they look at my edits to cause a problem.Justanother2 (talk) 11:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: you have not provided any proof. For the final time - there is no issue here. GiantSnowman 12:08, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for making the edit without adding a source, and thank you for reminding me. Take care! KibolLP 20:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Looked over some of the association football player bios. I think if you want "Estonian SSR", "Latvian SSR" & "Lituanian SSR" implemented where required? You may need a consensus (if one hasn't been established) at the WikiProject which covers that sport. That's what was done years ago, at WP:HOCKEY. GoodDay (talk) 20:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Can you please remove these diffs: , ? They contain my first name. Thanks, Nehme₁₄₉₉ 20:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Also these: , , . Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Ideally, AC Tripoli, AC Sporting, Akhaa Ahli Aley FC, Bourj FC, Sagesse SC (football), Safa SC, Shabab El Bourj SC, Shabab Al Sahel FC, Tadamon Sour SC, Salam Zgharta FC and Racing Club Beirut should all be page protected. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:38, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

, , , . Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate your help. I have actually already kept a list of IPs here, but the ranges seem quite different from one another. We'll see how this pans out. I might be making a "big" deal of it, but I don't see any other solution. Just because he seems to be keen on representing a Lebanese 2nd tier club as "professional", doesn't mean that I should keep it the way he sees fit. I might stop for 1 week or 2, but eventually I will remove "professional", and he will be back. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:48, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Re: this revert - yes it is a new addition, added yesterday. A discussion is underway here. Frickeg (talk) 07:29, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

• Yes, it was a new addition - see this version from October. Johnbod (talk) 15:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! May I ask you for advice regarding links in career statistics? Is it better to provide one or two ref links for all stats above the chart (e.g Dawid Kownacki) or is if more fitting to add one for each season (e.g. Mateusz Skrzypczak)? Thanks in advance, take care - KibolLP 13:24, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! - KibolLP 23:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

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I have had repeated issues with user:Fodbold-fan today. He has reverted my edits to Asbjørn Gaarde now three times without explaining what issue he has with my edits. I have left two notes on his talk page, both identical (he deleted the first one without explanation), which explained why I made the edits I did and why his reverting of them was improper. I'm not sure exactly what to do at this point, as I don't want to get into an edit war with someone who clearly doesn't care about the rules or standard editing practice. I saw that you have had issues with the same user previously, so I thought I'd drop a note here to see if you had any ideas. I appreciate your help in advance. Anwegmann (talk) 21:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Update: He's now blanked his entire talk page. Anwegmann (talk) 21:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

So...what are we going to do about the fact that the Asbjørn Gaarde page has incorrect information/formatting as a result of user:Fodbold-fan's edits? What are we going to do about the fact that my edits were both correct and explained? Just ignore it? Anwegmann (talk) 21:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll try again: Do you have some references to back it up with???? Who says it's correct? Who told you, where did you see it? Fodbold-fan (talk) 21:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Anwegmann and Fodbold-fan: please keep the discussion on the article talk page! GiantSnowman 21:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Any chance you could protect this article for a bit? Repeated attempts to change the stadium name to the sponsored name by an IP in the last couple of weeks. Cheers, Number 57 22:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I associate you with the project, hence the question for you. I'm a fairly new user so I have a problem. There is a Category:Polish SuperCup, but all the pages in it - including the main article - are already called "Polish Super Cup". What bot or user do I need to ask to change the category name to "Category:Polish Super Cup" and add a new category to each of the articles? Atlantico 000 (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer! Atlantico 000 (talk) 13:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Javain_Brown&oldid=prev&diff=1075800824 It's not that there was no consensus, it's that you don't like it and there is a MoS, but I'll take it there. Cheers. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:21, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello @GiantSnowman, Good day. I have been trying to install this script. I have installed it and refreshed my cache several times. I have installed other scripts which worked after refreshing the cache by following the instructions at the top of my JavaScript page. I am wondering, I noticed that you use that script which is the reason for asking you. Is there any other thing you did to get it to work? Thanks. Ampimd (talk) 21:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi GSN. I know we've not always seen eye-to-eye of late, but I want to thank you for your bold edit to restore WP:NSPORT to the last good version. Hope you've got your best kevlar ready! Take care. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 20:22, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I am replying here a) in anticipation of others commenting both for and against my revert, so a discussion is all in one place and not spread over multiple user's talk pages and b) so that my position is here and clear, my position being this - despite my opposition to the extent of change that appears to have been found in the RFC close, I do not actually oppose how the RFC was closed. However, what I do have serious issue with those editors who were heavily involved on one 'side' of the debate effectively deciding how to implement the close, possibly to a degree that others would not. That is entirely inappropriate. The RFC closer, perhaps with assistance from truly uninvolved admins, need to be the one to decide what the new landscape looks like after the dust has settled - not anybody else, and certainly not those involved in the carnage that was that RFC! GiantSnowman 20:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Can you please protect these pages?

• Safa WFC‎
• Super Girls FC‎
• Stars Association for Sports
• ÓBerytus‎
• North Lebanon Stars‎
• Eleven Football Pro‎
• Homenetmen Beirut (football)‎
• Shabab Majdal Anjar Club‎
• Ahli Sarba SC‎
• Al Irshad Club Chehim‎
• Riada Wal Adab Club‎
• Ansar Al Mawadda SC‎
• Amal Al Salam Zgharta FC‎
• Salam Sour SC‎
• Al Taqadom Anqoun Club‎
• Al Ahli Club Nabatieh‎
• Nasser Club Bar Elias‎
• Nahda Club Barelias‎
• Al Ahli Saida SC‎
• Al Mabarra Club‎
• Islah Borj Al Shmali Club‎‎
• Ansar Howara SC
• Al Egtmaaey SC‎
• Al Nabi Chit SC‎

Yes, I know, it seems much. However, the guy has already vandalized these pages multiple times with different IP ranges in the past couple of months. I think there is a basis for protection. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:23, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm unsure whether you can see this edit summary. It's clearly him. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 12:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

This edit restored content at NSPORTS against consensus at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Sports notability, specifically subproposals #3 and #8. The closing statement currently stands, as it has not been overturned. Please consider this your final warning; any further attempts to restore the non-consensus version will be reported to ANI. Thank you. –dlthewave ☎ 17:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dlthewave: You're threatening an admin here with ANI action who only did one edit, that tone doesn't sit right with me. Govvy (talk) 17:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dlthewave: the reasons for my revert were clearly explained 48 hours ago; the page is now protected (with essentially the version I restored in place!) and the wider matter is already under discussion at multiple venues. Your threats are embarrassing. GiantSnowman 21:40, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The Lakeman Brothers is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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~dom Kaos~ (talk) 11:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi GiantSnowman. I'm writing because I can't get this to work. That's why I thought maybe you knew what was wrong. Been messing with it for some time now, but I still haven't found the solution. What have I done wrong? Can you help? Thnx! Fodbold-fan (talk) 19:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I understand your point of view, but what's the timeframe limit? Raheem Sterling moved from Jamaica to England aged five; great, so he's considered English because he moved there when he was "young". Had he moved there aged 12, would it also be young? What about 17? I'd rather have a "black and white" ruleset (one NT: write that nationality; two NTs: omit; nothing to do with birth place), rather than something subject to interpretation by different editors. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Ghandour started playing internationally for Lebanon in 2015, though, aged 15; this was even before he started playing at youth level in the UK. Throughout all his playing career in the UK (be it at youth or senior level), he had already played internationally for Lebanon at some level. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Haaland and Sterling don't need to be the threshold. The answer to your question "how would the player be described if they never played international football?" would be "he wouldn't be described at all, as he was just a student before his international debut". From the moment he became relevant, he was already a Lebanese international. If the English-born players who play from a young age for Wales/Scotland/Ireland are also in the same situation as Ghandour, I'd also describe those as Welsh/Scottish/Irish. Also, I wouldn't be so sure that, had Sterling not played internationally for England, he wouldn't be described as Jamaican. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not talking about hypotheticals. Of course his Charlton career has nothing to do with him playing at youth level for Lebanon. I'm just saying that, in reality, he has always been a Lebanon international. It's a very different situation to, say, Omar Bugiel, who was born in Germany as a German, and then became a Lebanese citizen in order to play for their national team. Ghandour was, effectively, always notable as a Lebanese. Also, to be clear, is your proposed B&W rule the question "what if they (hypothetically) never played internationally?" Because if so, I would amend it to "how was he effectively known before his int'l debut?" For Ghandour, the answer is N/A. For Haaland, it's obviously Norwegian. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Please refer to your procedural oppose and my further comments in this discussion → Talk:OKS_Stomil_Olsztyn#Requested move 10 March 2022. Atlantico 000 (talk) 09:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I referred to your objection in articles about: Stomil Olsztyn, Ruch Zdzieszowice, Pogoń Siedlce. I believe you should change your mind. I have presented the arguments in the articles. Atlantico 000 (talk) 14:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I renew my request to comment. Atlantico 000 (talk) 13:34, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

The article Wale Kwik-Ajet has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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Hello!

Sorry to bother you especially given the last time I brought this up (which led to a huge wall of text) so I'll keep this brief: Heesxiisolehh is once again adding original research/analysis as shown here. The letter he cited does not in any way "encompass and coalesce" the head or sultan of Dhulbahante position with the Dervish movement. I took the liberty to look through the actual source cited and not once is that implied. On the section regarding the British reply, James Hayes Sadler never actually explicitly stated that the letter spoke on behalf of the Dhulbahante tribe", but rather he said "In his last letter the Mullah pretends to speak in the name of the Dervishes, their Amir (himself), and the Dolbahanta tribes. This letter shows his object is to establish himself as the Ruler of the Dolbahanta, and it has a Mahdist look". That is clearly original research. It is the author of the secondary source's job to do the interpreting, not Wikipedians.

Given the last time I brought up this issue I honestly don't see nor expect him to stop this in any way. He's quite literally rewriting Somali history with his original analysis, not to mention blatantly disregarding the agreement you reached with him as well as the consensus reached here. Gebagebo (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello sir, does the Wikipedia notability rules for Futsal athletes are the same as Football? ZZ47 (talk) 05:38, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@ZZ47: Sadly no, that does need addressing really, at the moment we go by GNG rules for Futsal players. Regards, (talk page stalker) Govvy (talk) 12:33, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I was wondering if (https://www.sofascore.com/) is reliable enough to be used in articles about football players. Hopefully you can let me know. Thanks. FNH004 (talk) 06:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

According to your message "Please stop pestering me", refer to what you mean. Atlantico 000 (talk) 13:37, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Please stop posting on my talk page, and please stop pinging me at various talk pages. I'm not interested in further discussion with you. I have come back from a few hours away to SIX notifications from you - two talk page posts and four pings. GiantSnowman 17:00, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

That's what Wikipedia is all about. Don't be offended by it, just refer to it in turn. If you make factual mistakes, I have the right to mark you in different places and call for a change of decision. Atlantico 000 (talk) 17:02, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

You've just posted again when I specifically asked you not to! Do it again and I'll ask for a one way interaction ban at ANI. GiantSnowman 17:03, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Of course I will write to you as you are a party to the ongoing discussions. You have expressed your opinion... you can get feedback. Normal thing on Wikipedia. Atlantico 000 (talk) 17:05, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

With reference to "GKS Górnik 1979 Łęczna", compare the article about Górnik Łęczna (its name is not GKS Górnik Łęczna) and add my answer in the discussion. Atlantico 000 (talk) 13:46, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Huh? Grutness...wha? 11:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi GS. Could you help with some cleanup? A page move from an LTA has caused version history issues at Harry Toffolo and Talk:Harry Toffolo. Also Harry Kirby and Talk:Harry Kirby were created. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 12:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I have also cleaned up the mess which was still live hours after the article was returned whence it came on Wikidata, link here. The bot has re titled the English label and link but didn't change it back after the page move was done. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey GS. Hope I don't disturb your work, but I noticed that FC Twente got an UEFA Intertoto Cup honor listed on their article. As fast as I know, group winners didn't win any trophy, did they??? By that logic, all those small clubs in the 2006, 2007 and 2008 should get to have an international honor on their article?? That kind of doesn't seem right.. When I look at the other clubs, they don't have their group stage wins as an honor, as those three editions had an outright winner. Only the outright winners are listed on List of UEFA club competition winners as well. Idk who added it, and I know you guys had lots of discussions about what constitute an honor, but is this something you could look into? Cheers! Speun (talk) 14:34, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey GiantSnow, sorry to bother you. Can I get some more info on why my edit was taken down? Just was confused, and would love a bit of explanation. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jstreeter2 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 Martyr's Memorial C-Division League, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:16, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Why do they not attempt to get the MoSes overturned? Ignoring them is why I left the project long ago. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

This is an egregious personal attack and completely unacceptable. I think you owe Levivich an apology. For nearly a month you've been making the ridiculous assertion that involved editors must not implement the RfC, which you and I both know is not a rule and never has been. If you still feel that there's misconduct occurring, please take it to ANI instead of casting WP:ASPERSIONS in the middle of talk page discussions. –dlthewave ☎ 01:34, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Nobody is saying Willis or Fox retired from their nationality, but putting retired before American still modifies “actor”. Nobody says "United States retired Marine" they say "retired United States Marine".--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:13, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

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Can you please lend a hand here GS? Situation getting out of hand, these IPs keep adding this nonsense in infoboxes (they did the same in António Lima Pereira and Tibi (footballer), for example), when we're not even supposed to link countries. There is also a Lithuanian user that does the same, User:Normantas Bataitis; IPs are from Lisbon, so most likely they're not the same person, but stranger things have happened...

Enjoy that weekend, cheers! --193.137.135.2 (talk) 14:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Great Britain Olympic football team (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a disambiguation page which either

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Should User:Govvy/Reo Griffiths by merged with Reo Griffiths or not bother? Not much in it, regards, Govvy (talk) 16:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi mate it’s Zaki do you have an email address so I can contact you 2A04:4A43:44AF:C14D:792B:C113:1AD3:D002 (talk) 09:54, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

22:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Since you ignored the advice at WP:3RR about not tagging someone with whom you are in an edit war with, I will follow in kind. Stop your edit warring against WP:DATETOPRES on Javain Brown. Your project is to be subservient to the greater project. I think you should step down as an admin until this is resolved. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I didn't 'tag' you - I posted on your talk page in an attempt to discuss the matter. Me being an admin has nothing to do with your infatuation and disruption in enforcing a non-compulsory guideline. I respectfully suggest you take a step back, realise you are the only person pushing this, and then have a think why that might be. GiantSnowman 20:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

86.114.229.49 (talk · contribs · IP contribs · WHOIS) is vandalizing sandbox and fucking around with RFPP; I'm guessing this is probably some sort of LTA? block is needed wizzito | say hello! 08:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Blocked by @Zzuuzz:. GiantSnowman 08:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Does this meet any iteration of footy team standards? CUPIDICAE💕 13:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

There is presumed notability for football teams if they play in the National Cup - I cannot see that it applies here, and the club appears to fail WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 13:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean, presumed notability? Is there a guideline somewhere that says that? –dlthewave ☎ 13:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

The very old Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability#Club notability. GiantSnowman 13:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok, that project essay says "Per Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Teams, teams are required to meet the general notability guideline. The following guidance may indicate at what level teams generally have enough coverage to meet the GNG." You probably shouldn't be using it to advise editors that there is "presumed notability". –dlthewave ☎ 14:31, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

"The following guidance may indicate at what level teams generally have enough coverage to meet the GNG" = "presumed notability". At no point do I say it is 'automatic'. GiantSnowman 14:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Those terms are not generally understood to mean the same thing and there was community consensus to replace the latter with the former. To avoid causing confusion, I would suggest that you use the consensus language when advising other editors and refrain from conflating the two, even if they mean the same thing in your mind. –dlthewave ☎ 15:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm unaware of any community consensus related to FOOTYN, so I will continue the words I chose. Do not try and police me on my own talk page. GiantSnowman 15:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

For the record, I'm not new and not easily confused by Wikipedia, so the point you're making Dlthewave is pretty moot. CUPIDICAE💕 15:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Giantsnowman, I'm not sure why you would be referring to a project essay instead of the actual guideline in the first place. –dlthewave ☎ 15:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Because you asked for the relevant guideline, I pointed you to it. GiantSnowman 16:13, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

FOOTYN is not a guideline. NSPORTS is the relevant guideline. –dlthewave ☎ 16:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

NTEAMS does not deal with the specifics that Praxidicae was asking for. GiantSnowman 16:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Then the correct response would have been "there is no SNG for football teams, and it doesn't fall under the 'likely to meet GNG' criteria at FOOTYN." –dlthewave ☎ 16:55, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Nobody obliges you to watch my talk page or to post here. Perhaps you should stop both? GiantSnowman 17:03, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I've changed a name of a template, so these cats need a move. I can't move as I'm not an admin and nor am I a page mover. Yesterday, somebody requested a move but no admin has had the will to.

• Category:Belgian FA template using numeric ID -> Category:Royal Belgian Football Association template using numeric ID
• Category:Belgian FA template with ID different from Wikidata -> Category:Royal Belgian Football Association template with ID different from Wikidata
• Category:Belgian FA template with ID not in Wikidata -> Category:Royal Belgian Football Association template with ID not in Wikidata
• Category:Belgian FA template with ID not matching pattern -> Category:Royal Belgian Football Association template with ID not matching pattern
• Category:Belgian FA template missing ID and not in Wikidata -> Category:Royal Belgian Football Association template missing ID and not in Wikidata

In addition, I ask you to move this category as "players" is better than "footballers".

• Category:CF Fuenlabrada footballers -> Category:CF Fuenlabrada players Dr Salvus 18:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I suggest you use WP:CFDS for these type of requests - although the 'Fuenlabrada footballers' should be a WP:CFD (which I would support). GiantSnowman 17:50, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Gian Snowman, This is concerning user: FFCETT77. I come to you here as you have reverted this edit 4 years ago. The editor whose has mentioned their has a few accounts in Wikipedia in this his user page and one of them is User talk:JE77FFC and the other is when their are 8yo. Looking at the older account JE77FFC, the editor had only 8 edits and some of them are unsourced, a few disruptive but nothing major. I doubt FFCETT77 understand that having a few account might not be advisable but I dont think he used it for sock purposes. My question is that would be better to delete his old account and let them keep the newest one as from their edits, they have made effort of creating article and learning about editing Wikipedia. This was what they wrote on my my talk page. Kindly advise. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 10:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Clean start applies, I believe. No concerns from me if all former accounts have been abandoned. GiantSnowman 17:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you GiantSnowman and will info the editor accordingly. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 00:02, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Stevanović was born in Kosovska Mitrovica then Serbia, then Yugoslavia in 1975 before the city changed its name to Titova Mitrovica (after the death of Tito in 1980, the former Communist dictator). Those are the historical facts. Shermanpalicad (talk) 11:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

I noticed your Wikipedia editing is not correct and constructive. You apparently bear a grudge against me, vindictiveness because you constantly deleted historical facts regarding Borislav Stevanovic, his place of birth, (though I explained it), and then you saw that I edited Anna Nicole Smith's page and you undone my legitimate changes. It's really uncalled for. Shermanpalicad (talk) 11:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, we spoke a few months ago. I was wondering if this image would be suitable to be used on a person's page under a CC2.0 License. The image in question is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Esapana-inglaterra-48.jpg . It would be used on Levi Colwill's page. EsTuHabil (talk) 12:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

If it's been on Commons for nearly 3 years then it's probably OK. GiantSnowman 16:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, As an experienced user as you well are, do you know why template pages aren't updating straight away on other pages after editing it. Many thanks --Skyblueshaun (talk) 08:45, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

it might be WP:PURGE? GiantSnowman 18:03, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but quite frankly, don't understand. :( --Skyblueshaun (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

That page will explain how to try and solve it for you. GiantSnowman 17:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

This is just to know: had he scored only once, would I've been able to add a focus about that goal? Dr Salvus 20:08, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Mentioning the first goal, or a notable goal (winning in a cup competition, or other goal covered in more significant detail than just. match report) for a senior player is fine. For a youth player? I don't think so. GiantSnowman 20:13, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Another question arleady asked with no reply: why isn't the first team unofficial debut notable? Dr Salvus 20:14, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Because it's a friendly game, who cares? was it covered in anything other than a run-of-the-mill match report? GiantSnowman 20:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

And if somebody takes part of a tournée abroad? For example, Alexander Arnold's article says that he'd taken part at Liverpool's stage in the USA in 2016. Dr Salvus 20:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Being part of a pre-season tour? Probably merits nothing more than 'X was a squad member of the club's pre-season tour of the United States in 2016', but only if sources deal with it in more than just a trivial matter. GiantSnowman 20:54, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

A source says he scored X goals in Y appearances during a season while another says he scored N goals in Z appearances for the under-19s. Which info do I write? It looks both sources are reliable. Dr Salvus 17:56, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

only one is correct, and if you can't work that out (such as by finding a third source), then leave it out. GiantSnowman 07:53, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

I've found another source which cites other numbers. Could I say he'd scored about five goals in about 30 matches and then specify the sources contradict to each other? Dr Salvus 14:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

I think that would be too confusing. GiantSnowman 14:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi GiantSnowman! I changed the short description for ANI as it was over 90 characters and did not display properly in mobile or New Vector search results; see this information page for more details. Cheers! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 12:37, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

fair enough, but I suggest you seek consensus on the talk page for any new wording. GiantSnowman 12:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

I have expanded the article a little bit, don't know if you want to change your argument at the AfD or not, regards. Govvy (talk) 13:38, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

good work, but I remain concerned that the only sources are run-of-the-mill stats databases. GiantSnowman 13:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

yep, I understand that, but he played in Serie A and Serie B, my gut is telling me there are more sources out there, very hard to find know. Tough one for sure. Govvy (talk) 13:48, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

You are edit warring at Lucas Cavallini and are at WP:3RR. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:22, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello I believe that this 2 new ip [],[] are the same person who continue to post unsourced and biased edits and reverts on Karađorđe page. Can you please protect the page ? Thank you.Theonewithreason (talk) 09:31 02.May 2022 (UTC)

On my page, you accused me of being a meat puppet, of restoring a banned user's edits, and of going against a clear consensus. I have responded to these false accusations and would appreciate your response. Instant Comma (talk) 22:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Giant Snowman!

Thanks for letting me know about NFOOTY no longer being a thing in recent AFDs. Does that mean football articles are just being assessed off the general notability criteria, or is there some new criteria I ought to know about? Phew, I think that means a lot of footballer articles are for the chop.

Hope you don't mind me asking you directly, it can be difficult to find relevant info at times! MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 18:53, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

WP:SPORTCRIT applies, as NFOOTBALL was abolished at a recent RFC. GiantSnowman 19:07, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

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According to this source there were eight players born in 2002 and two born in 2003 in a Juventus U23's match. The source also says that Miretti (born in August 2003) had played as a captain. I've also written to his article that he was the captain despite being the youngest player fielded (the other born in 2003 is Soulé but he was in April). However, the source doesn't say he'd been the youngest but I've written the info having seen that Soulé had been born in April. Is this OR? If so, feel free to remove the info from the page. Dr Salvus 19:07, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Technically, yes. GiantSnowman 19:16, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

So, what do I do not to make it an OR? Do I write a note saying that there was another born in 2003 but younger of four months citing the source of Soulé's birthdate? Dr Salvus 19:21, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

no because that's WP:SYNTH. Either find a source that says it, or leave the info out. Do not try and smash together multiple sources to show something. GiantSnowman 19:25, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Did you mean to encase your delete in ref code? At the moment it looks like you've voted delete and keep on the AfD. regards. Govvy (talk) 08:28, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

no, sorry, I clicked the wrong code! GiantSnowman 10:09, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to say, but I've mentioned you at ANI, regarding poor AFDs. (not yours of course!) See WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Nfitz Nfitz (talk) 03:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

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Hey GS. Any chance you could run me over why aleaguestats.com is reliable but sofascore.com is not? Falastur2 ^Talk 21:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

No idea about Aleague stats - I had presumed it was an official source - but Sofa is just a random database. GiantSnowman 21:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

It definitely doesn't look official to me. sofascore, on the other hand, appears to be a pretty professional and organised business (and yes, it's an actual business).

But really what this all comes down to is: what constitutes an official source, anyway? Who gets to decide that one thing is reliable and another is not. Surely, by the same logic that sofascore is "just some random database" then Opta, or soccerbase, or RSSSF are also "just some random databases"? What defines a proper database? If it's that it has to be produced by a company rather than as an amateur pet project then sofascore is in and RSSSF is most definitely out. If it has to be that it's widely regarded in the community then how can that actually be proven - for virtually any website at all? I should point out at this point that Wikipedia doesn't actually even have any rules on what makes a statistical source reliable. I've read over WP:RELIABLE a ton of times and I just can't find anything which provides any feedback on statistical sources, and when they can or cannot be used. Falastur2 ^Talk 14:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

do not confuse 'official' and 'reliable'... GiantSnowman 17:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm not. This is what I'm saying though. If being official is not proof of reliability, what is the real test? Falastur2 ^Talk 02:18, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

it's only one test. What is the source of Sofa's information? what is their oversight/editing like? etc. GiantSnowman 18:37, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Their data source is direct from Opta^[1] Granted they did enable users to enter live info too, but only at grassroots level - I think we can both agree that none of what I entered for Mombaerts is grassroots level. Given that they are (presumably) feeding Opta's data in directly via API it shouldn't need much oversight, but they do directly say on that page that they have 150 employees, so I have to assume that they have mechanisms in place to identify errors and dodgy sources and correct them. Falastur2 ^Talk 10:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

OK, fair enough, probably reliable then! GiantSnowman 07:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Hiding his edits with the RevDel tool isn't enough, shouldn't we email the oversighters? Dr Salvus 18:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes please do, I don't have the time currently! GiantSnowman 18:54, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi GS,

Can you help me with Template move? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Ulsan_Hyundai_squad Anybody didn't partipate in move discussion. I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

Does template moving have the another move process? Footwiks (talk) 12:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

There is a backlog with RMs I believe - I'll list at WP:FOOTBALL to get more views. GiantSnowman 07:10, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Are you okay if I move David Wang (footballer) back to Wang Jiahao? He was known as Jiahao Wang in Spain (his country of birth), and has now moved to China, where he is known as Wang Jiahao, following Chinese name customs. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 08:24, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

It needs a RM I think - but remember this is English-language Wikipedia and we use what English-language sources say. GiantSnowman 09:24, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I know that but fucking Soccerbase doesn't bother to differentiate. Hence it misled me. Eagleash (talk) 19:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Soccerbase is usually good for showing them as different - whereas Soccerway counts them as league and it's so frustrating! GiantSnowman 19:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I've yet to see Soccerbase (or BBC fixtures, come to that) show a match as a 'play-off' – unless I've missed something. Then again, I think this is the first year that any of the players in my 'notebook' have been involved so maybe there's something different this year. Doesn't help that the scheduling seems a bit haphazard to me too. Soccerway I don't use, except for a few of 'my' players who have slipped below tier 5 now... Each has its merits but I prefer SB. Eagleash (talk) 20:02, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

SB does, see e.g. this where play-off games are clearly different! GiantSnowman 20:54, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

That's all but a decade ago; here's O'Brien's entry, including today's game where it just lists it as 'League Two'. The summary at he top may include it in 'other' but it's not very clear and the summaries are not always updated promptly or accurately. Eagleash (talk) 21:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi GS. I think this IP editor 188.164.221.8 (talk · contribs · IP contribs · WHOIS) could do with a lengthier block. They edit articles about Albanian football and at player articles they keep updating caps without updating timestamps. Robby.is.on (talk) 07:28, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I have blocked before so cannot again as I have restrictions in place still - please request at AIV? Sorry... GiantSnowman 17:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I've tried twice at AN/I, I think. Robby.is.on (talk) 21:09, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Giant Snowman! Saša Kalajdžić has been seeing a lot of IP edits today changing his current club: . I'm still a bit shaky on when to protect pages; would it make sense to ask at RPP for temporary semi or pending changes protection? Thanks, Perfect4th (talk) 16:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I have protected for 1 week, but yes, RFPP is the ideal venue for this. GiantSnowman 18:00, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Perfect4th (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

The article Pedro Roque has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No references

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I don't understand why this is reverted as a redirect when there are versions in other languages. This, to me, makes no sense; moreover, it doesn't sit right with me that his death might as well have not happened by reading the School of Rock wiki page. I know that death alone does not automatically make someone worthy of having a wiki page, but I don't see the harm of giving him one.

Electricmaster (talk) 12:12, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

there is community consensus that it should be a redirect. GiantSnowman 18:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

The article Emmerson Brooks-Meade has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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I have a funeral letter from Maurice Cooreman .. where can I mail this to ? Rafa009 (talk) 12:55, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

(by talk reader) @Rafa009: Wikipedia does not compile offline sources and we do not present original research. Please also keep in mind that we only publish what is verifiable as we care not for what is actually true. Chris Troutman (talk) 12:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

As I have already told you, Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to verify information, especially about living people. It seems odd that Mr Cooreman would have died and no media outlet reported it. If you have evidence to the contrary, please consider using WP:OTRS. GiantSnowman 13:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

On a scale of one too ten, how bad is this page in your edit-war book!! page history :/ Govvy (talk) 15:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Awful. I have warned both users. GiantSnowman 15:30, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

User:Seasider53, who could not care less about your warning, has reverted me in two articles where i actually ADDED REFS!! --2001:8A0:767B:9C00:ECBA:8C6A:2360:11D7 (talk) 21:46, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

please provide diffs and/or log-in. GiantSnowman 06:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Here (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiago_Gomes_(footballer,_born_1986)&diff=1090493597&oldid=1090493492) and here (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jes%C3%BAs_Vallejo&diff=1090493898&oldid=1090493861). Attentively --193.137.135.2 (talk) 13:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Seasider53: I am concerned by these blind reverts of seemingly good edits. Would you care to explain before I have to escalate for wider review? GiantSnowman 18:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

For the reasons I gave in my reversion summaries. Seemed suspicious, given the extended and obscure edit summaries that had to be matched to the changes, which included external links to non-English websites. If we're asking for clarification, maybe you have one for this reversion you made to one of my edits because you found it "non-constructive" without even giving any further details? We all make mistakes. Seasider53 (talk) 18:32, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't see any edit summary in the Jesús Vallejo edit...and my Bowyer summary was valid. GiantSnowman 18:49, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Should I itemise the questions I have about the reversion you made? Bear in mind, the edits were allowed (and are still in place) after I gave pushback on it. Seasider53 (talk) 19:04, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

you mean where you continued to revert and then were reverted by another user? Sure, go for it. GiantSnowman 19:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Was the other user correct to revert (as in, which part of my edit required consensus on the talk page)? Just trying to get my ducks in a row before going any further. Seasider53 (talk) 19:30, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

no, they should not have done that - but you should not have re-reverted. GiantSnowman 19:36, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Also see this (the old "fine as it was" dismissive) from before my outrageous edits and this one from after. But anyway, getting back to the point of the thread, it appears I should not have reverted, but if the editor makes an account, I will ask them to be clearer in their edit summaries. Seasider53 (talk) 19:42, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. GiantSnowman 21:12, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Epic LOL! Apparently, we're (i'm?) now not allowed to update the infobox even if we update the timestamp, news to me. I know my summary may have been misleading (he's pushing 40 and still playing top-tier football, hence the "old fart"), but even after i explained that to the user that reverted me, it stayed reverted!

Can't be bothered (at least this week) to update it again, sorry for the inconvenience y'all! --193.137.135.2 (talk) 14:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MxArya: - the edits in question were not vandalism. GiantSnowman 18:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I know GS, MxArya told me they clicked on the wrong button, they intended to revert me on the grounds of failing to provide a source (instead of vandalism). We don't need a source to update a box, providing we update the timestamp! Am i correct? --193.137.135.2 (talk) 18:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Sources are always preferred - I usually use 'stats per Soccerway' or 'update - match dated X' to indicate. GiantSnowman 19:07, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Several warnings (at least from you) apparently amounted to nothing. Here they are REMOVING refs from honours and adding nonsensical numbers to them like (1) (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miguel_V%C3%ADtor&diff=next&oldid=1090487290)!

Attentively --193.137.135.2 (talk) 14:50, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

As an admin, maybe you will be interested in this, regarding the Miguel Vítor article as well (please read here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miguel_V%C3%ADtor&diff=1091016688&oldid=1090986361): how much "socky" can you get?! Also, funny how i revert them all, add THREE brand new refs to the piece and still receive a "possible unreferenced addition to BLP" note in the edit summary section. Oh well... --193.137.135.2 (talk) 18:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Back to Assaf Official: in Hélder Lopes (footballer) and André Martins (footballer, born 1990), refs summarily removed from honours as well!! --193.137.135.2 (talk) 18:47, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

revert, warn, and then report, as usual. I have issued them a final warning for removing references. GiantSnowman 06:38, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello my friend giantshowman ive put a source for my Burscough fc edit. There is a chance i did it wrong so if you want to fix it i have left you a link. Cheers BWRAEFWC (talk) 16:22, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Sorted, thanks! GiantSnowman 18:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

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Did you mean to upol block this user? I could certainly see a spam block but I'm confused as the username doesn't seem to be against anything. PRAXIDICAE💕 18:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

The user name has the word 'shit' in it. GiantSnowman 18:36, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

It's a common Indian name (Rakshit specifically), definitely not a UPOL vio. PRAXIDICAE💕 18:38, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Then they can explain that and request an unblock. GiantSnowman 18:39, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that's completely fair considering it wasn't an appropriate block to begin with... PRAXIDICAE💕 18:39, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

And we have several dozen articles about people with the first or last name Rakshit, for example. PRAXIDICAE💕 18:39, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

GS, I've opened up a thread for community input at WP:AN. PRAXIDICAE💕 18:50, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I see that you have blocked Brakshit23 as a username block, but as far as I can see you haven't said how it infringes the username policy. If it is because the name contains the syllable "shit", many Indian names contain that syllable. "Rakshit" is a reasonably common Indian name, so it could be "B. Rakshit", and the name "Brakshit", though not at all common, does also exist. Obviously you may have a good reason for the block that I don't know about, in which case I'd be interested to know it, but if it was because of the "shit" then it was, I think, a mistake. JBW (talk) 18:38, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Actually I've explained above and on the user talk page. Yes, it's because it contains 'shit', which is not allowed by WP:DISRUPTNAME. They are free to explain their username and request an unblock. GiantSnowman 18:40, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

This would eliminate a LOT of Hindi names, this is a really bad take and not in the spirit of policy. Please reverse your block. PRAXIDICAE💕 18:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Can we keep this in one location please? Three discussions on the same topic is not great. GiantSnowman 18:45, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Namaste..

Dharmo Rakshati Rakshita (Sanskrit: धर्मो रक्षति रक्षितः; IAST: dharmo rakṣati rakṣitaḥ) is a popular Sanskrit phrase mentioned in Mahabharata and Manusmriti verse 8.15. It can be loosely translated as "The Dharma protects those who protect it." The closest synonyms for Dharma in English are righteousness and ethics.

रक्षित = Rakshit

Also available on wikipedia to readhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmo_Rakshati_Rakshitah#:~:text=Dharmo%20Rakshati%20Rakshita%20(Sanskrit%3A%20%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8B,English%20are%20righteousness%20and%20ethics. Brakshit23 (talk) 03:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I have been informed and realise now - apologies again. GiantSnowman 07:22, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey GiantSnowman, Sorry to bother you but I need your help or advice with an issue. I seem to have a problem with a user named BEN917 over articles such as Thanasis Intzoglou, Nikos Christidis, Babis Intzoglou, Anestis Afentoulidis, Vasilis Konstantinou, and Themis Rigas. I added content to them and supported them with reliable secondary sources from newspapers such as Globe and Mail, and Toronto Star. He initially deleted the content without a valid reason I later reverted his edits. I addressed the issue with him on his talk page and he claims that the sources are not reliable due to the fact that they don't contain a live URL. I can't provide a live URL on them because the sources come from the Toronto City library archives through an association with ProQuest. Anyone with a Toronto City library card can access the site and prove that the sources confirm the information. I was under the impression that a live URL for books and newspapers was not necessary for Wikipedia articles and that you only needed to provide the newspaper information. He also claims that he has sources to disprove the content I provided but didn't provide any sources to discredit my sources. I just want to know if I'm correct or if user, BEN917 is being disruptive. Because the sources I provided confirm the content I can even download the articles on a pdf file and email them to you to prove it. Thanks for your time. Shotgun pete (talk) 10:52, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Shotgun pete, firstly, I did not mention any reason for removing your content, while fixing some other issues in the articles, because I thought this content was a result of vandalism. That was on me. Secondly, do not refer to the sources you used as reliable because the whole issue here is the reliability of the sources, which is in question. If you also put an effort and make a mini research about the players' bio, see articles about their careers, interviews that they talk about their careers and their profiles at football sites you can see no mention of Toronto Homer, while they played for a greek club at the time (which also seems very unlikely, but let the sources do the talk). If you could find the pdf file and cite it to the articles would be for the best, but can you find more sources to cross check your content? BEN917 9:55, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

@Shotgun pete and BEN917: WP:SOURCEACCESS applies here - and whilst I personally prefer sources that are online so I can verify the content, offline sources should not be rejected automatically. GiantSnowman 07:24, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the help GiantSnowman. I think even WP:OFFLINE supports the usage of offline sources too. Based on WP:RELIABLE it looks like national newspapers generally fall into the category of reliable secondary sources for statements of facts. And BEN917 I believe I did put some effort and research into the articles as to the fact that I created three out of the six articles. Yes, it is very likely they played in North America (Canada & USA) because Europe and North America run on two different seasonal schedules and it was very popular in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s for European players to play the summer months in North America when their parent clubs permitted them. Yes, I can try to find a pdf file and yes I try to find more reliable sources from the newspaper archives. Shotgun pete (talk) 21:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism only account. "Lagartos" (literally "lizards" in English) is a derogatory term for the Sporting CP ballclub. They are here to do nothing but destroy articles, as seen (twice or thrice) in Fernando Peyroteo!

Attentively --193.137.135.2 (talk) 15:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• Have a look at this beauty of a change at Deco (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deco&diff=1091208310&oldid=1091112168), what a vandal! --193.137.135.2 (talk) 15:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  I have blocked, thank you. GiantSnowman 17:23, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello GS, need your help in this. Can you merge Draft:Warren Zaire-Emery with Warren Zaïre-Emery?

I created the draft version on 16th March. However another user created the page in mainspace on 28th May without taking the draft version to consideration. Bit bizzare that the user had to rename a redirect link he made for a completely different player in December last year to create this page. I cant help but notice this is the second time this user have did something similar. The previous one being Artemijus Tutyškinas where I made a draft version first, and this user renamed some stub from earlier date and published it in mainspace. I am assuming this is probably for getting the credit for page creation.

I didnt bother to merge them first time and deleted my draft version. But I dont want to delete my drafts every time, so can you please merge Draft:Warren Zaire-Emery with Warren Zaïre-Emery? Thanks in advance! Kokoeist (talk) 13:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done GiantSnowman 08:51, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

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Notification: they have replied on their talkpage, asking "what did they do" even though you explained (name of the article as example, and they KNOW what they did there and other articles!). The nerve on some people...

Attentively, nice holiday --2001:8A0:767B:9C00:2101:9182:B571:8845 (talk) 23:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I have replied to them, thank you. GiantSnowman 14:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey GiantSnowman, long time no talk, you may remember me. I've been less active in talk sections this year. Quick question, what do you think about this? I moved the page Danylo Ihnatenko to Danylo Ignatenko, thinking it was an uncontroversial move since the WP:COMMONNAME is Ignatenko, judging from sources and the fact that he has "Ignatenko" on the back of his shirt, quite literally. Is the user that left a message on my talk page right, I should revert the page move? I am unsure because I am not really savvy in this grey area. Should I raise the issue at the Football WikiProject or is there already some quick consensus that is known for Ukrainian/Russian names that should be applied here, something that outweighs COMMONNAME? Thanks for your help. Paul Vaurie (talk) 05:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I made a mistake. I didn't see you were in vacation until Tuesday. I'll raise the issue at WPF to see what they say over there anyways. Feel free to respond here or over there. Paul Vaurie (talk) 05:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

WP:RUS is probably a good place to start. GiantSnowman 18:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

How do you update date thought I did it but must of not done it right Dons1736424256 (talk) 15:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

You can do by this by using ~~~~~ in the relevant parameter. GiantSnowman 15:17, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

I noticed you created this article. Well, if you like, there're a corresponding article in Vietnamese language and another article about the book of Que Mai. Hope this helps you. ３ ▪ １４ 13:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks! GiantSnowman 06:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi,

You removed an edit I posted a few days ago and my guess is it was because I made billy Forbes out to be world class which I obviously no not to be correct and I am firm believer in wiki to be as accurate as possible but to my defence he is the countries leading goal scorer with 11 goals in just 20 matches for Turks and Caicos islands so to the people of that island he would be the closest thing to having a pele they will ever have so I believe it was fair to add that comment so I would appreciate it if you edit it back in please. Out of complete interest do you work for Wikipedia or is it a kind of hobby making sure edits are as factual as possible. Kind regards Paul Xlpaul12 (talk) 19:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

(by talk reader) @Xlpaul12: Wikipedia is built and maintained by an online community of volunteers. We have created rules like WP:V that insist that the content we have is cited to a reliable source, as opposed to just whatever we think is true in our opinion. As you can imagine, this is a regular struggle with vandals like you living out your empty lives defacing this edifice. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Further, he only has 4 goals in 14 official appearances. GiantSnowman 21:10, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Who the fuck asked your opinion Chris!!?? And you are probably the type of keyboard warrior nerd who has no friends or social life and spend all your pathetic life looking for a moment where you feel brave and write an abusive post to someone. Giantsnowman has a valid point as Billy Forbes is not a world class footballer but if you know anything about football Chris you will know 11 goals in 20 games is a good return and Billy Forbes is arguably the best player Turks and Caicos have ever produced. I fully appreciate everyone that takes there time making sure Wikipedia is accurate as I want to read things that are true and not things that are opinions and worse lies. To giantsnowman thank you for the time you take making sure Wikipedia is accurate and Chris don’t ever reply to one of my posts Xlpaul12 (talk) 21:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

(by talk reader) Why would I know anything about football? Chris Troutman (talk) 21:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Please remain WP:CIVIL. GiantSnowman 21:14, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Giantsnowman if you look on Turks and Caicos page it says he has 11 goals and in all honesty I don’t know if this is correct so it’s fair for me to look into this matter further to find out which figure is correct which I shall do and will come back once I have the correct figures. As for being civil I completely agree and I have no problem with constructive criticism and agree totally in Wikipedia being correct but I also don’t like people who no absolutely nothing about me leaving me a semi rude comment as I would not do that to anyone on any online social media or any websites as cowardly. I will come back once I have the correct numbers Cheers Paul Xlpaul12 (talk) 06:07, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

thanks for this - look forward to hearing from you! GiantSnowman 07:31, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Giantsnowman, you were indeed correct by removing my post as the information was quite accurate as I had him down with 20 caps but he has actually played 22 times but I was correct in regards to his goals scored which is 11. For the small nation of Turks and Caicos I would appreciate if I could “sex” his profile a little as he is there most successful player in there history while I won’t write any incorrect information. This was sloppy by me as when I visit Wikipedia I like to think I am reading correct stats and I really appreciate the fact you help the world in making what they read is true and my slightly aggressive tone was in no ways aimed at you as you were polite and professional. I won’t change anything on the page until you give the 👍. I would like you check the figures out yourself and you can do this by visiting “soccerway” kind regards Paul PS please keep up the good work

             Xlpaul12 (talk) 20:59, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to verify information, especially about living people - what sources do you have to support your changes? I have linked you above to one which shows only 4 goals in 14 international games. GiantSnowman 07:46, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi GS, hope all is well.

Regarding the name change of Edinburgh City F.C. -

I agreed that the convention for British clubs is F.C. However the club's own social media, media reports and the Chairman's comments indicate the club is to be known as FC Edinburgh (no dots) as FC Barcelona is for example. Just wondered your thoughts on the matter. I do see that it's the usual way to list the clubs in the UK as F.C. but on this occasion I'd go with just FC. CoatbridgeChancellor (talk) 21:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

It should be discussed via WP:RM. GiantSnowman 21:09, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Afternoon GS. Just want to put a name on your radar. Daniel seems largely pleasant, but is currently in the process of forking content over at Football club (association football). He first amended the lede's of large number of teams to divert to his new article (removing the links from Association Football in the process), and also changed all diverts related to football club, sports club and so on to point to his new article also. I've reverted the unconstructive stuff as being unexplained edits (especially where diverting from established article to an incomplete stub). I have discussed some of the changes so far with him at his talk page but he has since blanked it and started to remove content from one article to pad out the new one. I have reverted the removal at one end for the moment and suggested he use his sandbox rather than blanking the content of other pages. Anyway, I don't want this to seem personal from myself just purposely going around spoiling otherwise good faith edits. Koncorde (talk) 15:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up - I'm not sure we need a separate Football club (association football) article? GiantSnowman 20:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Would agree, though the existing Football team, Sports team and Sports club are all pretty poor and underwhelming coverage of the topics (bloated WP:DICDEF, largely unsourced original research). I don't think the topic itself is particularly of note compared to say Ownership which gets some significant coverage. How a club is organised seems pretty niche if there's any sources discussing it at all. Koncorde (talk) 21:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

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sorry if I've missed it but I can't see my name mentioned anywhere on that page or the talk page? GiantSnowman 06:57, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi GiantSnowman, you are mentioned on the Evidence page. Beccaynr (talk) 21:11, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Beccaynr: thank you. @JoelleJay: I cannot see anybody proposing me as a party. Please clarify ASAP. GiantSnowman 21:22, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I sent my statement on the evidence page privately to ArbCom beforehand asking if it was within the scope of the case, they emailed me back saying it was and that I had to leave one of two specific notifications on the talk pages of any users I named. JoelleJay (talk) 23:59, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I repeat - where am I proposed as a party? GiantSnowman 15:40, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello GiantSnowman, I am new to NPP and I see that you have some background in the WP:NFOOTY guide. I wanted to get your opinion about the article for Isaac Caulker. I was unable to find significant coverage for the individual, and I see that is a major part of the guideline. Thank you in advance. Bruxton (talk) 19:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

NFOOTBALL has been discontinued; please see WP:SPORTCRIT. If there's no significant coverage, then the player is unlikely to be notable. GiantSnowman 19:03, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh thank you. Bruxton (talk) 19:22, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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Per this message you sent this person (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jypas1986#June_2022): which is exactly what they continue to do, at least in Rafa Soares and Filipe Soares (footballer, born 1999). Some sources added yes, but i bet my left hand they are copying texts verbatim to the articles here, all while using "exquisite" "English" and POV like no tomorrow (in which Greek "users" are specialists, i've been here for 16 years so i'm not lying to you kind sir).

You have been briefed, attentively --2001:8A0:767B:9C00:ED3F:1C29:6929:7F97 (talk) 23:59, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• Bingo! If you read this regarding R. Soares (https://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/superleague1/paok-erxetai-o-rafa-soares-plisiazei-se-rede/4304214), and you translate to the English version, you will see his move to PAOK was copied verbatim using the Google T tool. WP:CIR and WP:NPOV of the highest order.

Cheers again! --2001:8A0:767B:9C00:ED3F:1C29:6929:7F97 (talk) 00:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

do you have any specific diffs of edits which need investigating? GiantSnowman 17:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I thought this one (the verbatim copying of texts from sources) would be enough, it's forbidden by WP guidelines isn't it? Have a look at this one from a previous version of R. Soares (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rafa_Soares&diff=1092569485&oldid=1092568827): "He played in all the small teams of the Dragons, played with K19 in the Youth League and reached the second team, making his professional debut in the second division in August 2013, while he was anointed international with the small national teams of his country, playing in 2015 Mundial U20", what the hell does this mean (not to mention the Liga Portugal 2 - aka second division - and the FC Porto B links were removed for absolutely no reason)?

Attentively --2001:8A0:767B:9C00:4543:4D5C:EA51:D335 (talk) 17:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

that's poor wording, yes, but where is the evidence of WP:COPYVIO please? GiantSnowman 06:45, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what else to provide to answer your question. I'll just revert/compose as i see "them". Sorry for any inconvenience. --2001:8A0:767B:9C00:5083:4294:8936:A433 (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

if you are alleging that the editor in question has copied content, you need to let us know where from! GiantSnowman 07:09, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

That? I've already told you from here (https://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/superleague1/paok-erxetai-o-rafa-soares-plisiazei-se-rede/4304214), the entire text was copied to his PAOK FC sub-section after using Google Translate, which resulted in "The 27-year-old extreme defender, after a very good season in Guimaraes, was satisfied with the plan presented to him by Jose Boto and so he decided to try his luck in Greece.

The agreement between the two parties provides for a three-year contract, with the player's annual earnings reaching half a million euros and there are extra amounts in the form of a goal achievement bonus." here (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rafa_Soares&diff=prev&oldid=1091617108) before i stepped in. So, content copied from the site SPORT-FM.GR on 5 June 2022 at 10:15. Question already answered or still not?

Attentively --2001:8A0:767B:9C00:818F:5F90:E6A8:98D2 (talk) 13:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok thank you for clarifying - I have notified them about copyvio. If the issue isn't ongoing then I cannot block. GiantSnowman 18:07, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I know that pretty much all contracts with English clubs (EFL/PL) expire on 30 June, but most of the Scottish clubs have an earlier expiry date. e.g. Rangers officially announced that John Souttar had completed his move, which had been pre-agreed, on 1 June, i.e. as soon as his contract with Hearts had expired. So in the case of someone like Conor McCarthy (moving from Scotland to England), his contract with St Mirren will have expired a few weeks before his contract with Barnsley starts on 1 July. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:16, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

The Yorkshire Post opens its article about the transfer by saying "The centre-back will officially join the Oakwell outfit on July 1". GiantSnowman 20:55, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Just to follow up here to prevent you causing any further disruption to the article, there's no actual reason to format the infobox in a line-by-line manner. I don't see any reason why you continually insist on making these edits. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Conversely, I don't see any reason to format as you have done. The infobox has been in that style since the article was created back in December 2017 (see WP:STABLE) and matches the standard infobox formatting at {{Infobox football biography}}. GiantSnowman 06:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

To avoid a further edit war I thought I would explain why Barnes played only 30 matches in 1981/82. It appears some sources have taken this page of total appearances from the Leeds F.C. History site where they have miscounted the appearances of Barnes and Harris. https://www.leeds-fans.org.uk/leeds/history/67.html This says Barnes played 31 and Harris 15(3). However on the same site, they document each appearance individually and the total for Barnes comes to only 30 as referenced here with "30/30" (30th start out of 30) on the last game of the season v WBA http://www.ozwhitelufc.net.au/leeds_stats/leeds_united_team_details/Teamsheet_by_season/1981-82/1981-82%20West%20Bromwich%20Albion%20(a).php whereas the final start for Harris is referenced as 16/16 (16th start out of 16) http://www.ozwhitelufc.net.au/leeds_stats/leeds_united_team_details/Teamsheet_by_season/1981-82/1981-82%20Manchester%20City%20(h).php

It is perhaps because Harris took Barnes usual 11 shirt on his final start for Leeds that the mistake in the totals was made. Another site concurs that Harris, and not Barnes played in that match against Manchester City https://www.worldfootball.net/report/premier-league-1981-1982-leeds-united-manchester-city/

I have not seen a source that says Barnes played in that match to increment his total appearances to 31. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcclh (talk • contribs)

@Rcclh: Hugman, Neil Brown, and based on the stats table, ENFA, all say 31. GiantSnowman 06:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

I've just explained all this in great detail, and all you can say is other sites say 31 without any explanation of how they arrived at that total. You are clearly more intent on trying to win an edit war than getting to the truth of the matter. Have you read what i wrote? Rcclh (talk) 18:56, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes - but you fail to consider that the sites you source are essentially fan sites (albeit well researched) and you fail to consider the possibility that they might have missed a game... GiantSnowman 18:59, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

We can now add The Times report to the list saying 30. I disagree that it is simply a case of some sources saying one figure and other sources another. All the sources quoting 30 are listing the individual games, the sources quoting 31 do not (apart from the one that quotes 31 and adds up to 30). I think that's crucial. I do understand that the same mistake may be replicated in multiple sources, but I would think the Leeds fan site is not getting its data from the world football site as it includes, for example, unused substitutes that world football does not.

Why would you think The Times report had printed totally the wrong player in the report on the day? That seem possible but unlikely. Surely it is more likely that other sources have mistakenly included Barnes because he was listed at 11 in the programme? https://www.flickr.com/photos/114058793@N05/51688930244/in/album-72157720164285367/

(It's a shame actually that no further programmes from that season have been uploaded to that flickr account, as that would give the answer to the puzzle on the statistics page) Rcclh (talk) 22:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

This is being discussed at WT:FOOTBALL, as you are aware. GiantSnowman 07:35, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Please would you mind refraining from personal attacks as you recently did at my talk page? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 13:49, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

What personal attacks please? GiantSnowman 15:09, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I detected you removed the list of international goals of Herbert Potts under the jurisdiction that it was unrefed, even though I literally referenced with:^[1] So, I would really appreciate if you could put it back on. Thank you for your attention. Sorry for disturbing you. Have a nice day. Barr Theo (talk) 13:09, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Apologies - restored. GiantSnowman 13:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

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Refs removed again in Miguel Vítor's honours (and subpar English to go), would not be surprised it's them editing anon. Plus, no grasp of the WP:FOOTY guidelines, if a player is not part of a supercup squad they don't get a medal (oh, and did i mention they REMOVED the refs?).

Attentively 193.137.135.2 (talk) 13:58, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I am not convinced this is the same editor, but I have warned the IP anyway. GiantSnowman 17:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

It appears there seems to be confusion (at least from me) about tagging some latest sock accounts based on what the results are shown at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/DJdjPollard15/Archive#20_July_2022. These two accounts are agreed that they are 'confirmed to each other' but when I checked the contributions and tags, I think it is probably impossible that this account is the master as I am familiar with their editing patterns. Unsure if one LTA has copied another editing habit or both people have managed to use the same network at roughly the same time. The tagging needs a bit of agreement as to clarify who is the culprit of the editing made today. The user who opened up the SPI just assumed "BreretonUnited22" was DJdjPollard15 which currently does not match the tagging. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 17:50, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I've made a comment at the SPI. GiantSnowman 18:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I was checking the user creation log and found out both accounts were created a minute within each other. Could mean the same person has been using two accounts at the same time to confuse people when doing different types of editing. I can also see that has not happened for the first time- it also happened in April this year. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 22:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

yes could well be the case. GiantSnowman 08:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi GS. The Rizespor editor has re-appeared at 176.54.1.93 (talk · contribs · IP contribs · WHOIS). Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 10:49, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, you'll have to remind me the issues with the original account! GiantSnowman 10:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry, I got confused. Mattythewhite knows them, I'll post on his Talk page. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Not a problem! GiantSnowman 11:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) FWIW, constant incorrect updates, and hidden advice (even in Turkish) ignored or removed; adds incomplete amendments every set of Turkish League fixtures; if reverted, returns immediately usually from another IP in the same range (making communication very difficult, though messages have been left). But over time, multiple ranges have been used. Matty has blocked some individual IPs but they have been known to redo their edits immediately from another IP. Must be over a year now this been happening. When I was last in contact with Matty about it he said a 'range' would be in order but was not certain how to go about it. Might be able to cobble together a list of IPs if anyone needs or wants it. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 14:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

  By looking at the page history of Çaykur Rizespor alone, I can see countless IP addresses from a few different IP ranges therefore the list of IPs can be visible there. Not sure if there ever was a registered account though. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

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As a follow up, this user is continuing to replace the links on dozens of articles to his own new content fork such as here per our prior discussion here on your talk page. Koncorde (talk) 16:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

He has also been diverting all redirects to his article per and so on. Koncorde (talk) 16:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

I wonder if it's worth AFDing the Football club (association football) article? GiantSnowman 19:07, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought I would try and engage again with Daniel to see if he would come to a talk page or otherwise first per WP:DONTBITE, but he seems to be determined to go with WP:OWN. Koncorde (talk) 19:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Well he has blanked his talk page again so I don't think he is going to engage. Koncorde (talk) 23:38, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Sigh, seems like it. GiantSnowman 10:13, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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I want to thank you for your vote on the the Kion Lee article for deletion. It is good to see people evaluating articles on their merits, not claims of what merits may exist. I have to admit that I find the whole AfD process far too troubled. I really wish something could be done about people throwing out attack words like "elitism" and "revisionism".John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:34, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

• I think these football discussions are the first time where I have seen an advocate of keeping actually use the term "grandfather" for the inclusion. I and possibly others have at times said that what others were advocating was a grandfather clause, but this is the first time I have seen someone actually advocate for it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:06, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  the whole thing has been a car crash since the RFC. GiantSnowman 18:04, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on this page. I am fairly sure that the changes I made are supported by the link that I added (and by a link that already existed).

One tip for the future: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution suggests "When you find a passage in an article that is biased, inaccurate, or unsourced the best practice is to improve it if you can rather than deleting salvageable text. For example, if an article appears biased, add balancing material or make the wording more neutral." This works really well, because then other editors can see exactly what needed improving.

Best wishes, Pete Ridges (talk) 14:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

your wording is not acceptable - "his playing opportunities were restricted by another left-back"; "he chose to sign for" etc. we are an encyclopaedia, not a fan site. GiantSnowman 18:25, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Are you sure that Sidney Elliot is the same player as Sidney Elliott? I know the names are very similar, but Elliott is listed with a date of birth of 1910, while Elliot was listed as being born 1908. I know they both played for Notts County around the same time, but I would've thought the sources for Elliott would've mentioned him playing for Fulham and Chelsea! I think it is just a massive coincidence, and County had two players, Sidney Elliot and Sidney Elliott on their books at a similar time period. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 22:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

ENFA confirms it's the same player. GiantSnowman 22:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay, I don't have access to that archive, but thanks for clearing it up. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 22:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Neither do I, but the search option is free and shows the same player played for all the clubs! GiantSnowman 22:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

That's very helpful, thanks! Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 22:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah, it made editing a whole lot easier when I found it. GiantSnowman 22:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

You changed the dates and formats for James J. Braddock to January instead of Jan and so on, but listed Wikipedia's manual for dates and formats without realizing that the section in which you use to justify spelling out the entire month specifically says to use the three letter version of the month "only in limited situations where brevity is helpful". Right next to this is a pop up box which states "For use in tables, infoboxes, references, etc." Please refrain from using your bots to change this in other records, because I have to go through by hand (I don't know how to use a bot) and change it back as the professional boxing records are infoboxes and need brevity. CaPslOcksBroKEn (talk) 02:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

It's not my bot - if there are issues with the script in relation to boxing tables please raise it with the script writer. GiantSnowman 13:38, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, GiantSnowman,

Reviewing the day's AFD discussions is now on my end-of-the-day task list and I think I've seen you participate in nearly every recent AFD discussion about football players. My guesstimate is that you opt for "Delete" about 75% of the time and "Keep" in about 25% of the discussions I look at so unlike some other participants, you seem to eavluate each case individually and not have a generic response to the bulk of these nominations. Some editors seem to say "Delete" or "Keep" in 100% of these cases, seemingly to make a point about recent changes in notability standards for athletes.

I appreciate your consistency and your willingness to spend time reviewing all of these many nominations that have been forth over the past two months. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Liz, I appreciate it. I think I'm one of the rare people who wanted to keep NFOOTBALL but accepts that it has gone and non-notable stubs need to go as well. GiantSnowman 10:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello GS, please help me.

I created Draft:Mika Biereth on 29 July. However, 31 hours later, another user created a page in the user space on 30 July, and then moved it to Mika Biereth on 31 July without taking the draft version to consideration. Please see the page history. So I can't move Draft:Mika Biereth to Mika Biereth now.

I find this user has did something similar recently. This user created three pages (Corey Addai, Nohan Kenneh & Cieran Slicker) that you have already created in draft in your user space. I am assuming this user tried to get the credit for page creation.

So can you merge Draft:Mika Biereth with Mika Biereth? Thanks! --Phikia (talk) 09:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done GiantSnowman 13:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, I forgot to ask you to merge Draft talk:Mika Biereth with Talk:Mika Biereth. Please help me again. Thank you! --Phikia (talk) 13:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Draft talk:Mika Biereth has already been deleted. (G8: Talk page of a nonexistent or deleted page) Thanks! --Phikia (talk) 15:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi GS, would you be able to do the same with Draft:Belal Halbouni and Belal Halbouni. The above that happened on the draft I created back in June as well. Looks like they did it with many draft articles. Thanks! RedPatch (talk) 21:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done GiantSnowman 17:58, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. RedPatch (talk) 18:40, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Why did you add the dmy dates tag to Kamome Shirahama? Since Shirahama is Japanese, she doesn't have any strong national ties to an English-speaking country, so the format used in the first non-stub version (which was almost exclusively mdy dates, as can be seen here) should be retained. Link20XX (talk) 18:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

If you want to change to MDY then feel free. GiantSnowman 19:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I read on the West Ham website that Nathan Trott now wears number 25. Players | West Ham United F.C. (whufc.com) 83.216.138.98 (talk) 07:45, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Your edit was not clear; there was no source or edit summary provided, hence why you were reverted. GiantSnowman 17:59, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

...and his WP:CIR issues (i.e. copyvio). Pablo García (footballer, born 1977), here we go: 1 - adds an unref'd stat chart (in there, they eventually say Atlético Madrid B played in the Segunda División RFEF, a competition that was created 25 years later!! see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pablo_Garc%C3%ADa_(footballer,_born_1977)&diff=1036719345&oldid=1035194771); 2 - for the 1,0000000th time, added unsourced YOUTH honours for PAOK (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pablo_Garc%C3%ADa_(footballer,_born_1977)&diff=prev&oldid=1043335240); 3 - for last, the more serious: adds a direct quote from the player (in SPANISH!), then does not source it (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pablo_Garc%C3%ADa_(footballer,_born_1977)&diff=next&oldid=1043336526)!!

Attentively, you have been briefed 2001:8A0:767B:9C00:EC11:4592:C740:E9A7 (talk) 19:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

• Incredibly, am not being able to provide diffs for items #2 and #3 (beats me why, i copy/paste the pertinent diff and when i check it again it's all wrong), but both are from 9 SEPTEMBER 2021, thus you shall be able to find them easily. --2001:8A0:767B:9C00:EC11:4592:C740:E9A7 (talk) 19:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

  Yes, those edits are at best bizarre, at worst vandalism - but one of them is from 12 months ago! Anything recent that merits action now? GiantSnowman 20:28, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

From this user and in this article, no more sir. Will brief you if need be in the future. --2001:8A0:767B:9C00:1CBF:30FE:225D:8CDF (talk) 01:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Please do, many thanks. GiantSnowman 17:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2022).

Administrator changes

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Anthony Appleyard (deceased) • Capitalistroadster • Samsara

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
• An RfC has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.

Technical news

• The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
• Administrators will now see links on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. (T308570)

Arbitration

• The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

Miscellaneous

• You can vote for candidates in the 2022 Board of Trustees elections from 16 August to 30 August. Two community elected seats are up for election.
• Wikimania 2022 is taking place virtually from 11 August to 14 August. The schedule for wikimania is listed here. There are also a number of in-person events associated with Wikimania around the world.
• Tech tip: When revision-deleting on desktop, hold ⇧ Shift between clicking two checkboxes to select every box in that range.

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jairo Morris is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi just wondering are you able to make the profiles of Tom Clayton and Tomi Adeloye as both players have made their Swindon debut I seen you made Sol Brynn after he made his debut against Harrogate Cheers STFC Jenko STFC Jenko (talk) 20:29, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Making a debut is no longer indicative of being notable for an article - but yes, I will look into shortly. GiantSnowman 20:31, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

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Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:20, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Damian Bailey is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

This is getting out of hand, as I have a big exam on Wednesday and am spending time here instead of studying for it. Could you block my account until Wednesday, 10 August, 11:00am IDT? --SuperJew (talk) 18:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Please see WP:SELFBLOCK - I'm not comfortable blocking editors at their own request, so I suggest you install the script? GiantSnowman 20:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi GiantS, would it be possible to restore Josh Caray to draftspace so I could work on it? I'm not sure whether or not he passes the local notability threshold or not, but I'd like to see the old article to help determine that. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 02:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done - see Draft:Josh Caray. GiantSnowman 18:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. BilCat (talk) 23:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Vernus Abbott is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:22, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Probably better for me to comment here, rather than at the RfA. Thanks for being so approachable to commenters, but mostly that I had never even thought about "exclusionism" before, and it might be my new favourite buzzword. I might consider myself a cruft exclusionist now so thanks for pointing it out :).

I hope you are well. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:14, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Same - I had thought it was akin to deletionism, but you know what they say when you assume something... GiantSnowman 10:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi GiantSnowman, I noticed you posted on the WikiProject Football Talk Page a few weeks ago requesting help moving closed AFDs to the archive. I would like to get more involved with the Football Project, and am willing to offer my support in this task. I am new to editing Wikipedia, so would appreciate any tips and guidance you can provide on how to move closed AFDs to the archive. Thank you! Jadedhippo (talk) 21:41, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

watchlist WP:FOOTBALL and see what I do, probably the best way to learn! GiantSnowman 08:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I've watchlisted the page and will keep an eye on our edits. Jadedhippo (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

The above named page is undergoing editing and I've been active in it. But one user @Admi Javed Khan king: has been insisting on adding unsourced material. Vote tallying is continuing and yet the editor insists on adding material and transferring content from 2017 Kenyan general election that is not in anyway related to this. I have left messages on his talk page but he deletes them and proceeds to re-edit the page. Please do what you can. I have stopped editing for now until issues are solved.154.70.0.223 (talk) 11:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Please see WP:DR. GiantSnowman 22:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Category:Sugar Boys FC players indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Worth merging or just deleting? Govvy (talk) 13:19, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

I'd say delete? GiantSnowman 14:26, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Not the first time this happens (i think the first time i saw it was in Carlos Fortes (footballer, born 1994), also playing in Indonesia now): this "user" goes to the infobox and removes refs (for full name, height, etc) without one word (please see this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abel_Camar%C3%A1&diff=next&oldid=1095782032).

Then, he has the nerve to revert me here and there... Attentively 2001:8A0:767B:9C00:981C:3F1C:9B60:6104 (talk) 17:25, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

If edits are disruptive, revert and warn - and if they continue, report. GiantSnowman 14:26, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

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Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Here is the info showing that Anette Nicklasson was part of the Swedish Euro 1984 squad.

Luton 84 – hela historien om när Sverige vann sitt enda EM-guld (offside.org)Women's EUROs 1984: a modern-day match report (telegraph.co.uk) Dwanyewest (talk) 21:31, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Irrelevant to notability. GiantSnowman 08:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, your "(script-assisted date audit and style fixes per MOS:NUM)" on articles like Ray Reardon and Doug Mountjoy removed quite a few wikilinks. I've undone the changes on those two. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:16, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not my script - raise it at WP:MOSNUMscript. The wikilcnks are removed deliberately by the script. Please restore the updated DMY dates at least. Blindly reverting was silly. GiantSnowman 08:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, you warned user Dhjeekw (talk · contribs) recently about making unsourced edits, and they have now done so beyond a final warning with this edit. I was going to warn them for making the unsourced edit, but saw they had already recieved several warnings and now gone beyond the final, so a block seems needed due to the complete disregard of references. TylerBurden (talk) 14:10, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I have blocked them, thanks. GiantSnowman 15:09, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for dealing with that. I thought you should also know that they now appear to have evaded their block to make this brief rant on the talk page of the article they were reverted on about Wikipedias horrible "agenda" of having content be verifiable. I posted a notice to them about logged out editing but since this seems like rather obvious block evasion I thought the blocking admin should be made aware in case you think further action is warranted. TylerBurden (talk) 17:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

FYI, the user is back to doing BLP violations and ignoring warnings/messages — I've requested the block using the auto-filler thing, which unfortunately labels the user vandalism, which isn't exactly the case. Adeletron 3030 (talk • edits) 18:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Now listen here giant snowman. I completely understand why you've made a decision which you might believe is in the communitys best interests but its not. My edit simply provided context. You wouldn't usually see a player like John Johnson from league 2 talking about international preferences. The context that I added was essential and I would like to request the immediate reinstatement of my edit or possibly a second opinion. I have no bias whatsoever I am Canadian and just want to provide free information via Wikipedia.

Kind Regards, Oliver TheVeryYesLad (talk) 02:14, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

(by talk reader) @TheVeryYesLad: Now you "listen here". The cited source doesn't support your edit. The cited source says this player will play for Scotland but not England, even though he qualifies. It doesn't say anything about how likely (or not) it is for a player like him to express "international preferences." I'm American and don't really consider Scotland another country from the UK although technically it is. Had you read GiantSnowman's edit summary you would understand the concern with your edit was your apparent original research or point of view. Please only what the source says, not what you think is true. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:29, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

What Chris said, basically. Your interpretation of/opinion on the article/subject is not needed. GiantSnowman 08:06, 26 August 2022 (UTC)