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Your edits to Johns Hopkins University on May 9, 2012
Hey Groupuscule, could you please clarify why you added the {{Unbalanced}} and {{Advert}} templates to Johns Hopkins University with this edit? According to Wikipedia's policy for tagging articles, "anyone who sees a tag, but does not see the purported problem with the article and does not see any detailed complaint on the talk page, may remove the tag." I saw that a previous editor removed your tags earlier, and I would like to help you avoid the frustration of having future editors removing your tags if you have an important issue to address.
- If you have a general issue that you want to address, then please be helpful by leaving a message on Talk:Johns Hopkins University so that other editors can know how we can fix the article. Per WP:TAGGING, even if the problem is obvious it's useful to leave a short note on the talk page describing the issue, and suggesting an approach to fixing it if you know how. If you leave a comment on the talk page, then other editors will be welcoming and help you address the article's problems.
- If you have a more specific issue, then feel free to use some of the section-specific templates or inline templates listed at Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. Inline templates are particularly helpful because they allow you to place captions within the text itself,(example: [neutrality is disputed]) thus increasing the chances that the problems with the article will be noticed/fixed.
- Even better, if you spot a particular error in the article and know how to fix it, then be bold and fix the mistake directly by editing Johns Hopkins University.
- If you are unsure which tags to use or how to use them, then Wikipedia:Responsible tagging provides helpful advice about how to maximize the likelihood that other editors will be able to address your concerns and fix the article's mistakes.
In general it is best to provide the fewest number of the most specific possible tags. Placing tags on an article is not a means of improving the encyclopedia: It is only a means of asking other people to improve an article that you cannot or will not improve yourself. Thank you for your edits, and feel free to leave your concerns on Talk:Johns Hopkins University. If you need help doing this, then you may read Help:Using talk pages or Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines for assistance. --Apollo1758 (talk) 21:14, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Apollo, but you'll notice we did leave a message on the Talk page. Granted there is more work to be done here, but it will take a little research. We don't use these flags lightly—in fact this is the only page where we've added them. Groupuscule (talk) 23:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oh my mistake! I forgot to check there and I read the article that you linked to. I agree that the page should detail the university's controversial relationship with the Baltimore community, including its actions in East Baltimore. But just try to be more explicit next time; it looks like maybe you can try flagging the History section for being unbalanced and creating a new Controversies section related to the university's controversial relation to the community. Though feel free to take your time to address the article's issues. --Apollo1758 (talk) 19:18, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Help:Citation tools
Try Help:Citation tools --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:51, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello Again
Here's the link: WikiProject:Pollution --Ne0 (talk) 02:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Thought you might be interested in this: Aam Aadmi Party --Ne0 (talk) 11:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Felon vs. Ex-Felon
I only made the change for sake of accuracy. In a standard dictionary, "felon" is listed as a noun meaning a person who has committed a felony. "Ex-felon" generally will not be found in a dictionary. Of the two, the word listed in a dictionary is preferable in Wikipedia for obvious reasons. Even if "ex-felon" were a standard English language word, its meaning presumably would be a person who was formerly a felon. In the edited articles, this would be an inaccurate term to use, as the people addressed by that word are, in fact, felons - not people who were once convicted of a felony but then had that status changed so that they are no longer felons, as by an appellate court or a pardon. Using "felon" is not judgmental; it is the simplest and most accurate and specific term for what it means, and in fact is a rather sterile term that avoids connotations that come from terms such as "criminal" or "offender". "Felon" is also the term that is almost universally used by courts and statutes in addressing this class of people, and in most of those articles, the term is used because of its legal relevance: felons deprived of the right to vote by operation of law due to their felon status; difficulty in securing or retaining employment due to being a felon; etc. It is the most appropriate and useful term for what is communicated in those articles.
- I would reiterate what the dictionary says as being the strongest authority on this topic, but I also want to share a few thoughts generated by your most recent discussion of this subject on my page. Your citation for negative connotations of the word "felon" ("evil, bad, immoral") cites its infrequent adjective form. In each instance we're discussing, the word was used as a noun, and as a simple, objective noun, signifying that the person or persons in question were convicted of a felony, and nothing more. If you want to differentiate between people who are incarcerated and those who are not, the term to use would generally be "prisoner", or in some instances "inmate". "Ex-felon" is not an accurate term to describe all (or even most) people who were formerly prisoners.
- But I would suggest something else to consider. You are right that felons face stigma in society, but using a different but less accurate or precise word to describe them on Wikipedia isn't appropriate, even (or perhaps especially) if motivated by a good faith intention to lessen or combat that stigma, including for reasons I didn't mention earlier. I'd suggest that using the term "ex-felon" in place of the more accurate term "felon" will for some people confuse the issue - especially those who are casual readers or not invested or particularly interested in the issue. Using the term "ex-felon" indicates that felons somehow escape their felon status and the stigma and social disabilities that go with it, but as we know, for the vast majority of felons, that does not happen. Using that inaccurate term "ex-felon" could lead readers to the easy (as written) but inaccurate conclusion that felon status is not usually an inescapable lifelong designation, but instead something that is temporary. Perhaps worse, it could indicate to many readers that felons are prisoners and ex-prisoners are ex-felons, and therefore the stigma and disabilities borne by felons are only borne by prisoners. That, I think, would be at odds with the concerns you've mentioned.
- I hope you'll give these comments some thought especially as they relate to your concerns about judgmental reading, conclusions drawn and recognition of obstacles faced by felons (often or usually for life). I'm not sure we're really at cross-purposes here, as you might have initially supposed.
Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.
While I don't necessarily have an objection to that individual edit, the user behind the IP is a serially blocked user who's been plaguing articles on the assassinations of Lincoln, King and Kennedy with some useful edits, some pointless, and a lot of "alleged assassin" edits for the past year and a half. They're currently on a spree of inserting unsupported commentary on Lincoln's death, and they've been spamming their Kennedy conspiracy theory site. Blocked means they can't edit, period, so they've been reverted when discovered. Sometimes that means reverting useful edits, and you're free to reinstate if you wish, but please review edits from that 92.x.x.x range very carefully. I tried to give them a break last week on the condition that they abide by sourcing, NPOV, etc., and they abused my trust, so I've lost what sympathy I had. Acroterion (talk) 12:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. The edit in question clarified that relevant witnesses saw King's shooting, not his death. A subsequent edit changing 'claim' to 'believe' is less obviously reasonable. Shalom, groupuscule (talk) 16:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Allahabad
This article has been rewritten.But i feel there is some problem in article.Please help through copy editing .Thank you 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS☣ 09:03, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
- It would be my pleasure! I'll give it a go in a few hours. groupuscule (talk) 21:23, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
- I am back and will be able to reply your queries regularly.Please ask on article's talk page if you have any doubt regarding topics.dont forget to leave a message on my talk page after completing copy editing Thanks --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS☣ 14:30, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
James B. Carey
It's Paul POV information
The quote is garbage and needs to be neutral. Otherwise, it's just POV pushing. ViriiK (talk) 05:20, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
- I appreciate that there are a lot of eager Paul supporters on the web and that their ideal page on the RNC would probably not be weighted well. And I'm totally open to the idea of changing or removing that particular quotation. But removing a whole section on rule changes that exclude Paul from the convention? Posting to the talk page without waiting for discussion? Immediately reverting back to your own edit after a compromise has been attempted? I find these edits be pretty inappropriate. Indeed, your general pattern of edits to the page hardly seems to reflect 'neutrality'. Peace, groupuscule (talk) 05:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Swift raids
I have approved your DYK nomination for the Swift raids article but have suggested that the image is not used. Your comments would be welcome. If you do want the image used you need to include the word (pictured) in the hook somehow. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think you're right about the picture. It's just a stock photo of a badge, not a picture of the event itself. groupuscule (talk) 16:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Your spam whitelist request
Thank you for making a request at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. I am sorry that it has taken this amount of time to attend to your request. Please be advised that we have been unable to close your request based on the information supplied. Please visit the whitelist request page and search for your name or the site you requested where you will see details of what additional information is required. Please note that replies here or on my talk page will not be taken into account. Please also note that if no information is received within two weeks from now, your request may be treated as withdrawn. Stifle (talk) 17:40, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for the message, "Stifle". I responded over at the request in question. I am really frustrated with the censorship that is being built into the cite. groupuscule (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
"Latin@s"
I'm sorry, but "Latin@s" is an extremely awkward and clumsy way of solving something which is not a problem with the English language at all, and which I doubt very much is any kind of prevalent Spanish-language practice (considering that padres is the Spanish word for "parents", and reyes the word for "king and queen"). The German "-Innen" thing is also quite awkward, but it attempts to solve an actual problem in the German language, while "Latin@s" isn't related to any difficulty in the English language itself. Some might call it phoney political correctness run amok; I'll just say that it glaringly calls attention to itself far more than it fulfills any valid or useful function. Furthermore the at-sign is the typewriter or 7-bit ASCII solution, while Wikipedia uses Unicode... AnonMoos (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- AnonMoos, I think you are right about some of the disadvantages of "Latin@". It has become a fairly popular term in recent years because it quickly refers to a group of people (from Latin America) without using a male-gendered word as the default for referring to males and females. I would strongly prefer to avoid the use of a male-gendered term to describe a people in general—and I'd even say I don't mind it if the solution to this problem 'calls attention to itself' a little bit, since 'neutral' terminology has the tendency of reinforcing a viewpoint which is not neutral at all (i.e. 'the people' are primarily the men). I do agree that "Latin@" may be confusing, and you're right that the at-sign may be typographically inappropriate on Wikipedia and (on search engines). Can we come up with a better alternative? —Salaam, groupuscule (talk) 15:59, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- The English language simply doesn't have many sex-specific nationality terms, other than obsolescent semi-relics (which now often sound pretentious and/or offensive and/or like they belong more to journalistic jargonese than ordinary spontaneous language), such as "Parisienne", "Jewess", "Frenchwoman" etc. The form "Latino" is definitely not sex-specific in the plural in the Spanish language (consult padres, reyes etc.), so why on earth should it be imported into the English language as a strictly and exclusively male-only term -- something which creates far more problems than it solves?? The whole question of "Latin@s"[sic] simply doesn't arise unless you try to force English to become "more Spanish than Spanish itself" and import a Spanish distinction into English in a way that's rather unnatural and artificial for English, and then enforce this distinction in a way which actually doesn't occur in Spanish... I'll freely admit we have problems with linguistic sexism in English (double meaning of "man" etc.), but trying to force Spanish distinctions into English in a way which does not fit with the spirit of the English language (and is not in fact the way things are done in Spanish itself), and then applying the at-sign "solution" to the problem which has been artifically created, strikes me as being pointless in the extreme... AnonMoos (talk) 19:49, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- Many Western languages don't have "sex-specific nationality terms", or, more accurately, legitimately sex-neutral nationality terms, because patriarchy has been in effect for a long time. (Padre - pater - patriarch - patriotism etc. etc. etc.) I don't think this justifies patriarchy or its linguistic relics. I don't want to distort language to unrecognizability, particularly on this encyclopedia, but I do think we should seek out terms that are more legitimately gender-inclusive. How do you feel about Latino/Latina? groupuscule (talk) 06:21, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- Foreign gender distinctions imported into English are somewhat exotic, and usually don't last all that long in common usage (blond/blonde, confidant/confidante, fiancé/fiancée etc). If in Spanish usage "Latinos" can refer to both genders in the plural, but "Latinas" can't, so that "Latino" is the more general term than "Latina", then that's really a problem with the Spanish language, not with the English language -- as seen from the fact that this same Spanish pattern applies to cases like "padres" and "reyes" which have no parallel in English. My guiding principle is that English should not be made to suffer for the sins of Spanish -- English already has its own long-standing problems, but new problems should not be created by trying to inappropriately apply Spanish rules to English... AnonMoos (talk) 13:04, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Baltimore photos
Thank you so much for taking them! Do you want me to give more suggestions for images? WhisperToMe (talk) 03:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- You're very welcome! I like the idea of Wikimedia community across places. So please suggest away. (Prison food might be difficult, though.)groupuscule (talk) 04:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Here is a list:
- Baltimore
- File:Mitchellcourt.JPG needs to be moved to the Commons
- Maryland Department of Planning headquarters: 301 West Preston Street, Suite 1101, Baltimore, MD 21201
Baltimore City Public Schools headquarters: 200 E. North Avenue Baltimore, Md. 21202- File:Balto ed building.jpg- Baltimore City Fire Department headquarters: 401 E. Fayette Street Baltimore, MD 21202
- Baltimore Police Department headquarters: 242 W. 29th St. Baltimore, MD 21211-2908
- Maryland State Department of Education headquarters: 200 West Baltimore Street Baltimore, MD 21201
Maryland State Highway Administration headquarters: 707 North Calvert Street, Baltimore, MD 21202File:State Highway Administration Box.jpg
- Baltimore County
- Rosedale
- The McDonald's at the 6300 block of Kenwood Avenue - site of the 2011 Rosedale, Maryland beating
- Towson
- Maryland Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services headquarters: 300 East Joppa Road, Suite 1000 Towson, Maryland 21286
- Baltimore County Public Schools headquarters: 6901 Charles Street Towson, Maryland 21204
- Rosedale
- Anne Arundel County
- Annapolis
Annapolis City Hall - 160 Duke of Gloucester St.File:Annapolis City Hall.JPG File:Annapolis City Hall 2.JPG- Annapolis Fire Department - 1790 Forest Drive Annapolis, MD 21401
- Maryland State Archives - Dr. Edward C. Papenfuse State Archives Building - 350 Rowe Boulevard - Annapolis, MD 21401
- Headquarters of the Maryland Department of Natural Resources - 580 Taylor Avenue - Annapolis, MD 21401
Headquarters of the Maryland Department of Budget and Management, Maryland Department of Information Technology, Maryland State Ethics Commission (located on third floor) - 45 Calvert Street, Annapolis MD 21401File:45 Calvert Street, Annapolis MD 21401.JPG File:45 Calvert Street, Annapolis MD 21401 - front door.JPG File:45 Calvert Street, Annapolis MD 21401 - side view.JPG File:Department of Budget and Management.JPG File:45 Calvert Street, Annapolis MD 21401 - fourth floor.JPG File:State Ethics Commission.JPG- Headquarters of the Maryland Department of Veterans Affairs - 16 Francis Street, 4th Floor - Annapolis, MD 21401
- Headquarters of the Maryland Automobile Insurance Fund - 1750 Forest Drive Annapolis, Maryland 21401-4294 - See photo on the website
- Annapolis Police Department - 199 Taylor Avenue, Annapolis, MD 21401
- Anne Arundel County Public Library Annapolis Area Branch - 1410 West Street, Annapolis, MD 21401
- J. Albert Adams Academy - 245 Clay St Annapolis, MD 21401-1000
- Wiley H. Bates Middle School - 701 Chase Ave Annapolis, MD 21401-1000
- Eastport Elementary School - 420 5th St Annapolis, MD 21403-2537
- Georgetown East Elementary School - 111 Dogwood Rd Annapolis, MD 21403-2701
- Germantown Elementary School - 1411 Cedar Park Rd Annapolis, MD 21401-3201
- Walter S. Mills-Parole Elementary School - 103 Chinquapin Round Rd Annapolis, MD 21401-4003
- Tyler Heights Elementary - 200 Janwal St Annapolis, MD 21403-1919
- West Annapolis Elementary School - 210 Annapolis St Annapolis, MD 21401-1312
- St. Mary's High School - 113 Duke Of Gloucester St Annapolis, MD 21401 File:St. Mary's High School.JPG File:St. Mary's High School 2.JPG
- USPS Annapolis Main post office - 1 CHURCH CIR ANNAPOLIS, MD 21401-9998
- USPS Legion Avenue post office - 210 LEGION AVE ANNAPOLIS, MD 21401-9996
- USPS Eastport post office - 821 CHESAPEAKE AVE ANNAPOLIS, MD 21403-9998
- Annapolis Neck
- Annapolis Elementary School - 1399 Forest Drive Annapolis, MD
- Annapolis Middle School - 1399 Forest Drive Annapolis, MD 21403
- Hanover
- Headquarters of the Maryland Department of Transportation - 7201 Corporate Center Drive Hanover, Maryland
- Hillsmere Shores
- Hillsmere Elementary School - 3052 Arundel On The Bay Rd Annapolis, MD
- Eastport-Annapolis Neck Branch Library - 269 Hillsmere Drive, Annapolis, MD 21403
- Parole
- Headquarters of Anne Arundel County Public Schools - 2644 Riva Road Annapolis, Maryland 21401
- Annapolis High School - 2700 Riva Road Annapolis, MD 21401
- Headquarters of Maryland Department of Agriculture - 50 Harry S. Truman Pkwy, Annapolis, MD 21401
- Headquarters of Anne Arundel County Public Library - 5 Harry S. Truman Parkway, Annapolis, MD 21401
- Rolling Knolls Elementary - 1985 Valley Rd Annapolis, MD 21401-6753
- USPS Naval Academy post office - 1 WILSON RD ANNAPOLIS, MD 21402-1205
- US Naval Academy area
- Naval Academy Primary School (NAPS) - 74 Greenbury Point Road Annapolis, MD 21402 - It is NOT affiliated with the US DOD
- Annapolis
If you take photos in the Washington DC area, I could list those too. The University System of Maryland has its HQ in Adelphi which is in Maryland but in the Washington DC MSA. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- Sure, keep 'em coming. Baltimore proper is much easier for me than the county, and I don't get to DC that often, but it will be cool to have a mission when I do go to these places.
- Thanks! I'll take a look at the category WhisperToMe (talk) 00:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
- Anything else in Annapolis? I may visit soon. groupuscule (talk) 01:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
- Sure! I posted a large number - See which ones you want to do, or try them all if you'd like :) WhisperToMe (talk) 07:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your contributions! Now, about the St. Mary's images, did you photograph the main high school? It can be seen at this view - I'm determining to see if St. Mary's Hall belongs to the high school or the church WhisperToMe (talk) 23:18, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
If you want another one, the Howard County Public School System headquarters, is at 10910 Clarksville Pike (Route 108), Ellicott City, MD 21042 - Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 06:01, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
anticommunication
Hello G,
I messed up the format on anticommuincation page -- I need a lesson -- ondixonhill — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ondixonhill (talk • contribs) 15:43, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
We Shall Overcome authorship issues
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Wikipedia:Peer review/Egyptian mythology/archive2
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Jews = Middle Eastern
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DYK review (The Making of a Teacher)
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Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Reviewer: Adam Cuerden (talk · contribs) 05:29, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
GA Review
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Right. I'm going to take this one on. From having done the Fourteenth Amendment yesterday, I know these sort of articles get rather complex, so I just want to claim this one before I start, lest all my work is lost. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:29, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, Adam. I'll be off Wikibreak tomorrow and will dive into this one, too. -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:34, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Lead
Would it be worth briefly summarising the Twelfth Amendment when it's mentioned? Something like "...more than sixty years had passed since the last amendment to the Constitution (the Twelfth, which revised the rules for electing President and Vice-President) had been successfully ratified."? Or is that getting too off-topic? Use your judgement, I suppose. I've done a little copyediting of my own.
- I think it may be a little too much detail for the lead, but I don't have strong feelings about it either way. -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:34, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure either. One possibility might just be to wikilink "the last amendement to the constitution" and leave out the parenthetical. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
- Tried that out. See what you think, feel free to revert. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:53, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure either. One possibility might just be to wikilink "the last amendement to the constitution" and leave out the parenthetical. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Slavery in the United States
I'm not quite sure what the term "sectional tensions" is meant to mean. Tension between sections of the country? Best to clarify.
This sentence is incredibly unclear: "The American Colonization Society, in contrast, called for the emigration and colonization of African American slaves, who were freed, to Africa." I think this is referring to the split in the abolitionist movement between integration and emigration, but the next sentence states that it was an alternative to abolition, so I really don't know. Make this clear, please. Also, isn't "African-American" hyphenated when used as an adjective?
- Style on that hyphen varies, in my understanding (this has come up before in my professional work). I recently consulted the MOS about this and didn't find any specific reference.
- As for the ACS, I don't think it's correct to call them a branch of the abolitionist movement. It included some abolitionists but also many Southerners who just wanted to ship off free blacks while maintaining slavery. Eric Foner, the source for this material, describes them as separate and opposing movements. But I'll admit I'm not deeply read on the ACS, just following my source. Is there a source you could suggest as an opposing view? -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Took another pass at clarifying this this morning. Let me know what you think. -- Khazar2 (talk) 10:38, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- I poked at it a bit myself. I didn't want to go into too much detail, but I think that explaining a little bit about it helps. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:10, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Took another pass at clarifying this this morning. Let me know what you think. -- Khazar2 (talk) 10:38, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
"As the country continued to expand, the issue of slavery in its new territories became the dominant national issue." - "the" implies it was the only dominant issue; wouldn't it be better to say "a dominant national issue"? I mean, it was pretty big, and the Bleeding Kansas events it inspired were a major cause of the Civil War, but it seems...
Sorry, I just wrote a paragraph contrasting the subtle variations in meaning between "a" and "the". I'll just change it.
- I hope you don't mind, but I restored the original phrasing, which seems to me a more accurate summary of our reliable source: "The issue of slavery in the territories became the defining issue in the years that followed." (emphasis Goodwin's) To be clear, do you think the sentence isn't a fair summary of Goodwin, or do you just disagree with Goodwin? As above, I'm fine with looking at other sources for opposing views. -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- If that's definitely what the source says, I'm fine with it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks again for reviewing! I appreciate the assistance and feedback. -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Earlier proposed amendments
This section seems mis-placed. It comes between the history leading to the thirteenth amendment, and the actual passing. It should either come right after the lead, or right at the end of the article, in my opinion.
And that appears to be it for me. References look food, so once the things above are fixed, I think we have a GA. I'm open to reasonable compromises if any of my suggestions are stupid.
Also, I have made some copyedits while reviewing. If you care to check I haven't changed anything inappropriately, here's the batch diff for all of them. . Individual justifications are in the edit summaries for the individual edits. Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:29, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
- Going back in now for a (hopefully final) review. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:51, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
For something that had to combine a history of slavery with politics and constitutional law, this was already extremely good before I came here. There were a few bits to work through, but they were a tiny, tiny proportion of the article, and everyone involved here deserves a lot of praise. I would hope you take this to FA, although you may want to get one or more experts to review it first - I am not a constitutional expert, nor a lawyer, nor anything more than an amateur historian, after all.
Pass Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC)







